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NBA All-Star Fan Voting Is Hit-And-Miss

The main thing to look for with the announcement of the All-Star starters is how badly the fans have messed up. That determines whether the coaches get to be creative and exercise free will, or have to make tough choices and invariably leave out someone deserving. So while tonight is only part one, and is never a wide-open race, it sets the stage for all the interesting speculation to follow.

The East: Only one big whiff here. LeBron and Wade are MVP candidates, and Dwight Howard's the best big man in the league. Over at Inside the NBA, Gary Payton's claiming that Chris Bosh belongs in over KG; the rest of the crew is knocking him because of Toronto's record, and claiming Garnett can't be as impressive individually because he's got better teammates. Oh, and the Celtics are better. Iverson, though, just doesn't belong there. His presence proves that the fans vote on name recognition. I'd go with Joe Johnson instead, since he's having a career year and has the Hawks finally looking like a legit playoff team.

The West: Kobe Bryant is an utter no-brainer, as is Chris Paul, who thankfully passed Tracy McGrady down the stretch. C-Webb (who is amazing on television) thinks that Shaq has exceeded expectation and kept the Suns alive, and deserves the start over Yao because of that. On the other hand, Yao's stayed healthy all year and clearly taken over in Houston, which is a major leap for him. The real controversy is at the forward slot: Duncan and Amare got the nod, though Melo was having a much-improved season before his injury, and Dirk's having an especially Dirk-like year. But Duncan's still Duncan, and is putting up his best numbers in a while; I'd say Anthony (for whom it's moot) and Nowitzki both probably deserved it over Amare. I'd even put Durant in before him.

So stay tuned for the next episode. Payton seemed to think that Al Jefferson should've started over Duncan, which brings up my question of obscure stars on bad teams.

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Johnson and Rondo would have been far better choices.

by maineone on Jan 22, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t like the pairing of Joe Johnson and Dwayne Wade almost as much as I despise the Allen Iverson and D-Wadw pick. You have to have a real point guard in there, Rondo for example would be good. Actually, as a Lakers fan, I’d have to say Rajon Rondo is the best choice but I really like Jose Calderon because he’s one of those "true" point guards who aren’t really fast and aren’t really strong but still get it done and I really admire that. My personal choice is Calderon but it should probably be Rondo.

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by tinym#9 on Jan 23, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

the NBA should abopt the NFL system of selecting All-Stars, fans vote is 1/3, players vote is 1/3, and coaches vote is 1/3

by wiltfongjr on Jan 23, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

I can’t agree more with yr comment about Webber.  He is killing it.  There was some real tension on the set when Webber took up the side of players being all-stars on bad teams.  I think you said something on FD about how he is an "anti-cliche" machine and its true.  I’ve talked to a few people who were cheesed about Payton (who i can’t really stand) and Webber were ruining their favorite show but I think the last two game nights have been some compelling stuff.  

by EricL on Jan 23, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Webber is just so raw, in a way that makes Barkley look really contrived (or at least glib). Payton makes him a lot more swagger-y, but in a way that shows you how insecure, even anguished, dude really is. It’s like he feels the need to match GP. That’s fascinating, but he’s at his best when he’s by himself or gets going when Payton hasn’t talked in a while.

by bethlehemshoals.tsn on Jan 23, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

You think Anthony deserves it over Amare? Wow thats as bad as the fans! Anthony is one of the most overrated players of the season, he shouldn’t  even make the team truthfully, a guy like Pacers Danny Granger from the east has become a better all-around player than Carmello its the truth.
 Yes Amare shouldn’t be starting, or really even be on the team.
The Iverson pick is a flat out joke! He absolutely doesnt deserve to be on all-star squad.
I have never seen a year where the fans got it right.
Controversy?…..Just wait till the reserves are picked, my bro and i were looking at the list other night and its gonna get ugly who’s left off.
Yes Shaq deserves to be an all-star, but 3 suns, heck no! On one hand i think Nash should play cause its in Phoenix, but on the other hand anymore he’s overrated, and clearly not deserving this season.
Another overrated player that makes it every year Jason Kidd what to do with him? I bet he makes it…..
The guys i think end up potentially screwed that more deserving than Amare, Nash, Kidd, Anthony?
West: Roy, Billups, Parker, Jefferson, Beidrins. Think Williams for the Jazz gets left off, had Williams been playing all-year he’d be making his first all-star team.
In the east Devin Harris a guy who’s slipped some as of late will get snubbed,  but think a guy like Joe Johnson, Rondo, or Granger gets snubbed that would be really bad and it goes back to these hype guys not deserving but seem to always get on, should be interesting.

by Woodville Cedars on Jan 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Wiltfongjr: The NFL System? Brett Favre made the team over Phillip Rivers enough said, then his replacement Collins makes it over Pennington, and Cassell thats bad.

by Woodville Cedars on Jan 23, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Woodville Cedars – of all the other voting processes the NFL one is the best by far because it isn’t simply by the fans vote, I’m sure you have to admit to that?

by wiltfongjr on Jan 23, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, i’ll admit that much wiltfonjr

by Woodville Cedars on Jan 23, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

If you think that Tim Duncan doesn’t deserve to be a starter in the All Star game then you must be out of your mind. He is putting up MPV quality numbers this year, and more importantly he is clearly more important to his team than any other center in the West. Jefferson and Durant both have horrible records, Amare hasn’t wowed anyone with the slumping Suns and Melo isn’t even the most important forward on his team (third best player). Duncan on the other hand was able to keep his team above water when two of the best players in the league were injured.

by njm1314 on Jan 24, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

Rondo as a starter? Yeah ok! Nothing against the guy but I’d take Mike Bibby, Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon or Mo Williams before I’d even think once about adding Rondo to the east squad. Rondo is putting up average numbers. Not only that, his stats dropped faster than New York Stock Exchange when he found out the Celtics were interested in bringing in team destroyer Stephon Marbury. That doesn’t sound like an all star to me.

by damiraclekid on Jan 25, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling you just haven’t been watching what Rondo has been doing. 

by The Great Snook on Jan 25, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Rondo is putting up average numbers?

The guy had a triple double the other day, how many triple-doubles does Jameer Nelson, Jose Calderon or Mo Williams have?

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by a-roid on Jan 27, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

my view is most of the picks are dead on.west -yao (shaq is better, but dude is old) duncan (check) amare (whoops) kobe (of course) paul (and how)east - howard (no big is better in today’s game) garnett (naturally) lebron (will probably win the mvp) wade (maybe the best player in the nba) iverson (tough one)the only pick that is a  boner is stoudemire.(this spot is clearly dirk’s)yao and iverson are understandable.*maybe not my picks, but at least a guy can see why….yao over shaq because yao is in his prime.and iverson getting the ’iv’e done it for my whole career’ nod…no guard in the east has done enough to take this spot away.

by vouve on Jan 27, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Amare is so overrated.  He’s just not a great player, nor does he even deserve to be in there, maybe as a reserve.  For someone his height he should be averaging 10 rebounds a game.  A good player yes, great scorer yes, but he doesn’t make a team better or others better having him on the court thus shouldn’t be an allstar. 

by EliteCritic on Jan 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

GP and C-Webb have been killing it for a minute.  I’m glad they’ve brought some freshness to the set.

by jaytphillips on Jan 27, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Iverson shouldn’t be in the team at all this year. He’s been terrible.
Amare would be lucky to get a bench spot if I were picking the line-ups.
I would hate to see Rondo on the team, he’s the 4th best player on his team, hence gets the 2nd best guard defender, and possibly the 4th best defender on the opposition team. His numbers are up cos everyone is concetrating on the big 3. Start him at Memphis and see what he does. Nothing. He’s not near all-star worthy.

by olskoold2k on Jan 27, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

So you’re saying Ronda is among the league leaders in rebounds by a poitn guard because he plasy on the big 3? Or turnovers to assists? Or is the best defensive pg in the east?

I’m sorry but Ronda is the best overall point guard in the east.  Calderon can’trebound or play D, ditto for Iverson and AI assist totals are nowhere near Rondo’s. If Rondo played in Memphis he would put up more points and rebounds, not the other way around…only his assists total would drop.

And if you think ray Allen is a better defender then you must be basing it on reputation, anyone who has watched the celtics regularly would know that rondo is the best defender on the team not named garnett.

And how is it Rondo can be penalized for his team but not garnett?  Bosh has better numbers on a worse team…so does Granger.  

 

by a-roid on Jan 29, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

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