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Boise State: No BCS Title For You, Period

In the aftermath of Boise State's thumping opening-week victory over Oregon and Oregon's post-debacle renaissance, a steady drumbeat has been taken up by the commentariat suggesting that Boise's place in the top five is a birthright and that the natural winnowing process of the SEC, which had three of the four teams in front of Boise, meant that any Texas loss meant Boise State would be playing for the national title. They'd achieved this status by beating a single okay-to-good Pac-10 team.*

Here's Stewart Mandel a couple weeks ago:

However, there's very little precedent for voters suddenly downgrading a team without cause. ... The Broncos may get docked a couple of "style points" should they endure an undue scare against a San Jose State or Idaho, but realistically, the only way they could fail to make up three spots in 10 weeks is if the voters start vaulting other, more "deserving" teams above them following a big win or two. ...

[T]he pollsters have set a precedent by ranking Boise this high this soon. If they suddenly turn around at the end of the season and blatantly manipulate the rankings to exclude the Broncos, the BCS is going to have yet another credibility issue on its hands.

If you're anything like me, those scare quotes around "deserving" have you hopping up and down on your hat. There is, of course, a huge precedent that happened all of three years ago: one-loss, idle Michigan getting jumped by one-loss Florida after USC lost to UCLA and Florida beat Arkansas. How did that work out again?

And here's Clay Travis yesterday:

With four undefeated teams ranked above them, three of whom were from the SEC and would play against one another, Boise stood a very real possibility of advancing up the poll ranks. With each step up the poll rung, Boise would make history, spiting the powers-that-be of the BCS along the way.

And how couldn't they advance? After all, pollsters don't typically allow a team who is winning and undefeated to be passed by a team with more losses than they have.

Only the glass ceiling was upon us.

Maybe it's not fair to jump on these folks the day after Boise's escaped a mid-week game against Tulsa by the skin of their potato, but the argument here is explicitly "it does not matter who they play or how well they do against them, as long as they win," so if they'd like to complain they're welcome to change their argument.

Which, to be clear, is very, very stupid. Mindbogglingly so (emphasis mine):

[H]ow can you justify a one-loss team passing an undefeated team? What's more how can you justify multiple one-loss teams passing Boise as the coaches' have done? Close your eyes and recite the arguments against Boise State: they don't belong up here because they haven't been here before, the people around them aren't as good, they aren't as talented as the others are, they only got to where they have because the people they compete against are weaker; aren't those the exact same rationales that excluded women and minorities from climbing all the way to the top?

And now this intermission so I can beat my head against the wall and scream "no, no, no!"

No ... no ... NOOOOO ... COBRAS ... ah we're back. No, the arguments against Boise State are not the same ones used to exclude women and minorities from positions of authority. Women do not have a dismal record against BCS conferences. Minorities have not padded their record against the worst teams in the MAC, taken on one BCS opponent and been declared legitimate national title contenders. Sure, if there were absolutely no reason to believe Boise State wasn't as talented as its privileged brethren, then this would be equivalent, but that is not the case. "Talent" doesn't have anything to do with it. That scare-quoted "deserves" does. College football already suffers from a vast overrating of the loss column relative to all other factors, and shooting Boise State into the title game after it played one game against a team that would be over .500 in a BCS conference would once and forever destroy the idea that a good non-conference schedule is worth anything. That a good schedule, period, is worth anything.

Deserve has everything to do with it. It must in this stupid system. There are not slots to give away to potential Cinderellas. The BCS realpolitik demands that the two teams that have proven themselves best against what looks like tough competition get the slots. Do we know? No. College football doesn't have enough information, so we're forced to make wild meandering guesses. It's a dumb system, I'll grant that.

But it's the system. Give any big BCS contender Boise's schedule and they'd traipse through a merry field of cupcakes, laying waste. Bunnies going up in tactical nuclear strikes, that sort of thing. Stick Boise State in the Pac-10 or SEC and they come out of it with something less than a national championship resume. This, surely, is not in dispute. Nothing else matters.

Of course it's not fair. It's life.

*(All this would be much less annoying if Oregon hadn't won its next game against 1-5 Purdue thanks to two return touchdowns.)

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We knew they wouldn’t be in that title game anyway, the WAC is a joke, check out the NCAA Week 7 Predictions and Power Rankings at www.theidealsportsblog.com

by simply2amazing on Oct 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

 No doubt…..as if we didn’t already know this. BSU is an outstanding football program, and deserves a bowl(provided there is an undefeated season), just not the national championship—-not even close.

by SeaSpectre on Oct 15, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

AAAAAAAMEEEEEEENNN!!!!!!! This is the first post I’ve seen that hits the nail on the head related to BSU. As I’ve said, exhaustingly so many times, it’s not enough to beat one "decent" team and then claim "legit" status. I found myself being a Tulsa fan last night and for what? So that BSU could get beat? Then I thought of the absurdity of "why do I even care about Tulsa or BSU??"We can’t go back in time and create dynasties and storied programs where there aren’t ones. The BSU’s of the world need to be more concerned about being a part of the BCS-however that may happen-rather than busting it every year.

by tenaciousD1975 on Oct 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

No one I know is advocating a title game. But, should they continues as they have for the past few years and this year, they should get a BCS Bowel game. Look what they did to Oklahoma a few years ago. BSU are not whiners like Utah was last year. They would be happy with BCS game.

by glenstar on Oct 15, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The article is correct because they haven’t beaten anybody worth talking about yet, but whos to say they cant? This is exactly why college football needs a playoff system. To determine whos legit, and whos a fraud. Not saying they could beat a team like TEXAS or BAMA but they should at least get a shot at em.

by robey6 on Oct 15, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

What has always bugged me about all this is college football’s unwritten rule that you not only have to beat someone but also get style points for doing it, as in run up the score. This is the mentality that makes the big football factories crush their tune-up opponents with 60 and 70-point totals. It’s just not what any school should be teaching its players.

It’s perfectly legit to rate teams on whom they beat and to progressively rate their opponents on their own records, etc. Computers make all this really easy, and the results can be weighted with no problem. But including point-spread in the calculations is bogus. Leave that to the gambling interests. There’s enough suspicion about point spreads already; the NCAA and sportswriters shouldn’t be adding to it. Let ’em play the subs and take a knee on occasion.

by Radatz on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, another ignorant blog that doesn’t address the real facts:  Boise plays in the WAC because that’s the conference that WANTED them.  They have done all they can to move up and play higher competition over the past 15 years, advancing from FCS to low-FBS to mid-FBS status.  Who’s to say if they played in the PAC-10 that they wouldn’t go 8-4 or 9-3 and be ranked still?  Heck, with the built-in advantages of recruiting, national television, and such that the PAC-10 provides, they could remain elite and be a National Championship team.  The divisions in college football are all that keep them from being viewed as a team that is deserving.  They are using the system to advance and people are crying about it.  Same people who cry when their teams don’t make the BCS title game over 1% point that a computer generated.  Time for an 8 team playoff, kids.  It WILL happen in the next 5-10 years, mark my words.

by stanfunkhy on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Any team that struggles with TULSA,, has no business playing in one of the Major BCS Bowls…

None whatsoever….

by Hustler30 on Oct 15, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate BSU, but they are not really a WAC caliber team. They would be a contender in any conference, including the over hyped SEC. They have outgrown their conference bigtime.

by MRCUTLASS on Oct 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year after the Alabama game the coach of Utah said  his team could anybody, if thats the case why doesnt he  play  "anybody"  ?  He could start the season in the Chick.fil.a  game in the georgia dome and take home two million dollars   -   the truth is he’s chicken !

by ricbab84 on Oct 15, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year after the Alabama game the coach of Utah said  his team could anybody, if thats the case why doesnt he  play  "anybody"  ?  He could start the season in the Chick.fil.a  game in the georgia dome and take home two million dollars   -   the truth is he’s chicken !

by ricbab84 on Oct 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Even if Boise State runs the table they have no chance at all to play for the national title. And I can understand why, all those non bs-BCS conferences would never stand a chance against any team from one the 6 power conferences!! OH WAIT, they happen to be 3-0 against those school’s. Utah’s W over Pitt in the 05 Fiesta Bowl, Boise State’s thrilling W over mighty OK in the 07 Fiesta Bowl. And last year’s Sugar Bowl when Utah took down a "so-called" superior Alabama team. And a D-I playoff system wouldn’t work because of why? The entire bs-BCS system is a joke!!

by buckeyenut on Oct 15, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I’d like to see Boise in a powerhouse conference, they wouldn’t be that great, it’s different than playing a good team once every 4 or 5 games. These teams in the SEC, Big 12, PAC 10, etc. do it week in and week out.  check out the NCAA Week 7 Predictions at www.theidealsportsblog.com

by simply2amazing on Oct 15, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"Of course it’s not fair. It’s life."

Hahahahaha.

So, then what are you whining about, Brian?

Here’s your problem with the BCS – they said that if a non-BCS team could get into the Top 12 rankings, go undefeated, and be the champion of their league, they deserve an opportunity to be asked to play in 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games.

The other 6 major college football leagues are already represented if the league champions can crack the Top 8 rankings, and they don’t even have to go undefeated by virtue of the automatic bid of being the champion of their league.

So, the question remains -
Why did the BCS committee make that type of offer to non-BCS football teams if they don’t intend to live up to it?

When Boise State beat Oklahoma in 2007’s Fiesta Bowl, the critics said that Boise State didn’t deserve to even be in that game!!

Go tell that to the kids that played for Boise State in 2007!!

If the BCS system allows a BCS buster team to get into 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games, then the system can’t keep them from being nominated for 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games after a BCS buster team like Boise State meets the criteria to get into 1 of those 4 BCS Bowl Games – by going undefeated, being the champion of their league, and getting into the Top 12 of the rankings.

Yet, that is exactly what happened last year in 2008!!
Boise State went undefeated, was the champion of their league, and they were in the Top 12 of the rankings, and yet they weren’t even considered for 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games.  

Coach Chris Peterson didn’t cry about it or whine about.
He told the kids, "that’s life, life’s not fair."

National Championship Bowl Game?
Naw, hell, they just want an equal opportunity to get into 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games first.

Once that happens, they can worry about which 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games they get invited to.

Before you start ragging on Boise State not being qualified, just remember that Boise State has been hanging around in the Top 12 rankings for the last 5 years.

And they are a non-BCS team – no automatic bid for them for being the champion of their league.
They have also been the champion for the WAC league for 6 straight years.
And they have only lost 2 regular season games in 4 years!!

Who else in college football can say that?
Not many other teams, Brian.

If the BCS committee is not going to invite Boise State to 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games, even after they win their league championship, go undefeated, and wind up in the Top 12, why make the offer?

The kids are still going to play their hearts out.
No matter what the darned BCS committee decides to do.
The team is still going to be #1 with their fans.
No matter what the darned BCS committee decides to do.

To be fair, Boise State was a 3-touchdown underdog against Coach Stoop’s Oklahoma Sooners in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.
You might have forgot that in your zeal to defend Texas from having to play Boise State for the National Championship.

Yet, that game turned out to be the most exciting college football game I have watched in 50 years.
Oklahoma doesn’t have anything to be ashamed of for losing that game.
It was a close game.
It went into overtime.
It was a great game, played hard and tough, just like college football is supposed to be played.
There were no cheap shots, or blatant fouls, and the kids played within themselves.

But, Oklahoma doesn’t want to play Boise State again.
Not for a few more years.

Give a non-BCS team like Boise State a chance, and they just might surprise you on any given day.

Hell, let’s face it, any team that gets in the Top 10 rankings are all winners.
What they really need is another BCS Bowl Game and then all of the Top 10 teams can play in a big bowl game. 

Without a playoff system in place, we’ll never know if Texas can survive a night on the field with Boise State.
Ha ha ha.

Yeah, right, like the kids that play for Texas are shaking in their boots over that possibility.

But, let’s see what happens if the system isn’t manipulated like it was last year to keep Boise State out of a BCS Bowl Game.
Or a Utah team on 1 of their good days.
Or an Hawai’i team when they are on a hot streak like they were for the last few years.

If the BCS system doesn’t want a non-BCS team to play in any of their BCS Bowl Games, then they shouldn’t have made it possible for them to have a chance.

Because where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Boise State has found that they have the will to win and go undefeated, and become the champion of their league, and get into the Top 12 rankings.

Of course, if the BCS committee doesn’t want Boise State to play in any 1 of the 4 BCS Bowl Games, they could always pass a rule saying that all non-BCS teams are eligible as long as they go undefeated, are the champion of their league, wind up in the Top 12 ranking, and they don’t have the word "Boise" in their team name.

That ought to ensure that Boise State won’t be playing Texas for the National Championship in a BCS Bowl Game.

Maybe the kids on the Texas team are hoping for that type of rule.

I doubt it.

by BSU_Maniac on Oct 15, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

How funny, the more Boise wins, the more people say they dont deserve this or that. We know BSU wont get a title game, that is not the goal. The goal is to take care of who they play each week, and hope to get a bowl bid that can pay for stadium and university upgrades. Take the champion from each conference and make a playoff. That would shut up all those that talk out of their butts. But will it happen?

by whatdidusay on Oct 15, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

The BCS system is designed to protect the 10 teams who allowed to win the national championship. The BCS is a gamed system that guarantees one of the following teams: USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Ohio State, Michigan and the SEC champ. These are the schools that draw the biggest crowds and TV audiences that have rabid fan base that will travel anywhere. It has nothing to do with the ‘better’ football conferences. Does anyone really believe if Missouri or Iowa or Washington State were the top team  of their conferences they would be allowed in the championship game? Ah. No. Think I’m wrong? Remember how everyone’s knickers were in a knot when it looked like West Virginia was going to the BIG BOWL that year?  Thank goodness Pitt saved the system and knocked off West Virginia. <eye roll>The Big Boy Bowls should just come out and say ‘Hey we wanna make money. Notre Dame vs. Florida is a bigger draw than Boise State vs. Washington even if both are undefeated.’ After all we are not Communists, there’s nothing wrong with making a buck, but don’t call it a championship.

by edmac87 on Oct 15, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the BCS rule book said someone gets to play an SEC team in the championship game, from whatever conference.

by bored_sports on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

To me, it’s a simple thing.  I want the BCS Championship game to feature the two best teams in college football, that is, the two teams in the country who people believe would have the best chance of winning against any opponent.  The only other criterion I would have is that I don’t think rematches would be any fun at all.

So, at the end of  the year, I’d want the two best teams to play, and as a general rule, I think the BCS Championship game has delivered (Oh – this isn’t a debate about a playoff system, although I also think a playoff system would severely diminish the college football experience and should never be instituted).  And contrary to to some peoples’ opinion, I don’t think Utah deserved to be in the championship game last year.  They beat Bama, yes, but Bama was missing a couple of key players, and the grumbles were only heard in hindsight, after the game was over.  No one expected the Utes to beat Bama, and it follows that no one seriously thought, prior to that game, that the Utes should be in the championship game.

At this point, I think it’s extremely unlikely that Boise State would beat USC, Bama, Florida, or Texas (or even West Virginia) in a bowl game, no matter what those teams’ records are at the end of the regular season.  Ergo, I don’t think Boise State should have a shot at the Championship game, although I’d love to see them play in another BCS game.  Nothing against them, they do have a very good team.  I just don’t think it’s a "National Champion" team.  And I  think this opinion is shared by most everyone in a position to make a difference.

All the best,

X

by XofDallas on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

No one would dispute Boise State’s resume if they played in a tougher conference? I would. We should all just assume that they would get housed every week if they played in the SEC? Look, I don’t know who Brian Cook is, but I wish I had his crystal ball. BSU was not supposed to beat Oklahoma, either. They did.  I’m not ready to write off their chances without ANY evidence simply because some TSN muppet is playing fetch for the BCS (again. TSN writers take turns sleeping at the feet of "major" conferences).  If we all know that pitiful little BSU has no place getting a shot at the title, if the mere thought of it is so ridiculous, then why is there a new article out here every week telling us again that BSU has no place in the title game? Either these "writers" just pass recycled ideas from one guy to the next (VERY possible, by the way), or they are just trying to convince us of something that we all know isn’t true.

by ChiAdam on Oct 16, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

This writer and most of you that post here have one huge problem. You based your decision on style. It is all about style, how and by how much you win. That is known to the coaches and that is why they line up cream puffs so they can run up the score and the stats of the players and impress those that vote. Where are the guys that say, hey, they won every time they play and that is what counts.

USC has 2 open dates and have been trying to filled this with a few good teams. But nobody wants to play them. To them, it is like an automatic lost to play them and unlike the other conferences, they do not schedule division 3 type teams. At one time, LSU wanted USC to come and play at their house but did not want to play at SC. This happen a few years back.

Until they lose, they belong there. This is the fault of those that voted them to this lofty heights, and not the team. They have been trying to schedule those teams that where mention but they have declined. I believe this is a money thing where in may not bring in enough to warrant it. Cut these kids a break and blame the voters. As usual, they are bias and stupid.

by Condor7 on Oct 16, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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