Jon Gruden Wants To Coach Again ... If He Has A Manning

Gruden loves Eli Manning. Give Eli another couple of years, and people won’t be writing stupid stuff like this questioning the mere mention of Eli in the same breath as Peyton—Eli keeps ascending and improving. His benchmark aren’t his peers. It’s Peyton. The Giants are a bunch of lucky SOB’s and Gruden knows it. Maybe Gruden could talk some sense into Steve Young too. For a guy with a law degree, Young is just clueless.

GIMME THE MIKE! GIMME THE **** MIKE! GRUDEN IS ALMOST AS BAD AS KORNO.

Scurds, you are back to rambling. I haven’t heard Chucky use one tennis analogy. Gruden belongs behinfd the mike because he actually knows how the game is played and brings incitful commentary. Nuff said.

so far, Eli Manning has been an average NFL quarterback.  Last year his rating was over 77 for the first time (86) and this year it’s at 96, which is 9th in the NFL.  He’s getting better, but he’s definitely not in the same category as Peyton, or any of the elite quarterbacks.  There’s Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady, and then there’s everyone else.   Rivers, Rodgers, Schaub, Favre, Warner, Rothlisberger, and Romo are better or roughly equal to Eli at this point.  He’s got the potential, but to say that he’s even in the conversation of ‘best NFL QB’ is ridiculous.  He’s never even had a QB rating over 100.

your right except you kinda dissed warner and rivers a little

I place Roethlisberger in the same class as Manning and Brady (Brees? We’ll see.) because… why? Maybe 2 Super Bowls? Maybe performances like the one against the Pack? He may not pile up huge numbers normally, but he’s got the best pinpoint arm in the clutch that I’ve seen recently, and it’s usually while dodging pressure or getting hit. Eli isn’t even in the discussion. I love Drew Brees but so far he’s the ‘immortal du jour’ for this season, not an all-time great. Favre is the Cal Ripken of football, but would you want Cal at short for the Ultimate Game over Ozzie Smith or Honus Wagner or Tony Lazzeri or….

Why is it that the pundits and coaches keep leaving Ben Roethlisberger out of the top 3 or 4 in the league..?  The las time I checked, he has 2 Super Bowl rings.  The Manning brothers combined have 2.  He also happens to be like Peyton when it come s to being clutch towards the end of a game.  How about some respect.

Why is it that the pundits and coaches keep leaving Ben Roethlisberger out of the top 3 or 4 in the league..?  The last time I checked, he has 2 Super Bowl rings.  The Manning brothers combined have 2.  He also happens to be like Peyton when it comes to being clutch towards the end of a game.  How about some respect.

Would I want Cal at short? Hell yea! Given that he revolutionized the position as one of offensive potential. Look at the wizards stats at the plate…light hitting at best. Cal has 2 MVP’s, gold golves, and is mr. dependable. The reason you don’t see Cal having Jeter-esq spactular plays is that a) he had much better range, and b) was so in tuned with the game, that he was in position to make plays that most have to dive for, look routine. Would I take Cal over any other shortstop? Hell yea!

why does he get left out? his team is just barely .500 and there are some guys named brees manning rivers warner mcnabb taking up those spots.

Ben gets a spot at the top. That’s that. Earned it. Continues to.

W/r/t Ripken, he’s yours, erson. I take Honus Wagner, who could hit a mush ball harder than Cal could hit a rabbit ball. I’ll take Jeter even, and I’m a Red Sox fan!

Eli is becoming more and more like his brother with every game.

Now I see Eli carrying his team instead of being carried by it, this is a huge change from how it used to be, as recently as last year.

In the meantime he still hasn’t lost his knack for clutch play.

I remember calling for Eli’s head in 2006. Since then he’s won a Superbowl and grown into a top-ten NFL QB. His future is very bright.

I seem to recall Manning having his ass handed to him for about half a decade by the Patriots. A discouraged Peyton Manning walking off a snowy field is actually considered by many New England farmers to be an omen signalling the onset of true winter. Gruden would be able to stand about 2 of those scenes, and then he’d take a job in Florida somewhere… thus missing out when Peyton finally gets his Super Bowl win over a how-did-THEY-get-here Bears team.

I wouldn’t put Brady in the top tier. He’s an average quarterback. He doesn’t call his own plays…actually Peyton is the only one that does that. Brady has to read his wristband to actually call any play. What would he do if he lost audio transmission? A Super Bowl win is a team win, but his Brady’s case it was by cheating. Haven’t won a Super Bowl since they were caught cheating. Brady is overrated.

The ‘cheating’ thing is a losers’ argument. After they were ‘caught cheating’ (which entailed, btw, using a videocam on the sidelines when it was perfectly legit to use one from the endzone or from the stands) they only went 18-0 before losing the SB in the last seconds to a team that knew their playbook from week 17. And prior, they had won 3 SBs in 6 years. What happened to the other 3? Not cheating enough perhaps?

So can this stupid argument. 31 other teams heard of digital videocams too, and used them prolifically. They simply either didn’t get ratted out by an ex-coach or used them from the stands or the coach’s boxes. To assume they didn’t, especially when there was no specific rule against it, is inane.

As for Brady, I don’t put him in Manning’s category as a playcaller either, but besides more wristbands than Manning, he also has 2 more rings. The Patriots do it with ‘team’. That said, Brady is far from average. Who else out there has more rings than Manning? Just Ben, another ‘average’ qb.

Tom doesn’t throw the ball as well as Manning… the extra Super Bowl rings get in the way.