Nick Schuyler Provides the Grim Details

My heart goes out to their family’s.  May the rest in peace.

that’s awful.  my prayers and thoughts go out to the families.  and the survivor who will probably for the rest of his life think "what if i could have done more to keep them on the boat".

We all were praying these four buddies would come out of this together; sadly that did not happen.  The stories about what quality young men they were makes their loss even harder to accept.  My prayers are now for their families, friends, teammates and all of those lucky enough to have known them.
We must be grateful for the one life that was saved thru the heroic efforts of the search team.

schuyler is a tough son of a gun.  Those guys were dilusional, out of their minds.  no amount of persuasion could have changed their minds. I hope he doesnt torture himself with thoughts of what might have been different because it was out of his hands completely.

This is a truly painful story.  I hope their families can somehow find peace.

Sad Story. I hope all the families and Schuyler can find peace.

It’s not just a sad day for the NFL but for everyone who watched them on the field and who knew them personally.  The sea had been called a "Dangerous Misstress" and that not far from the truth at all.  The ocean is so beautiful and the possibility of what all you can do out there is so exciting but when things go wrong, and they can go wrong VERY quickly (I work in the Coast Guard and deal with search and rescue EVERY DAY), it can be over in a heartbeat.  I hope those three men found some peace and tranquility out there.  May the winds always be at their backs.  They won’t be forgotten.

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 Why didn’t Nick say these things when the men might have been alive?  He’s just now speaking out after being listed in fair condition the last 2 days. 

If, IF, Bleakley swam under the boats for life jackets, why wasn’t a distress signal sent.

 How much time did Nick spend in the water.  Why would the men GIVE UP when they could have ROTATED on top of the boat.  Nick gave times so he could have timed a few hours for each of them to get out of the water and prevent hypothermia if he had a watch.  They could have tied themselves together (look at pics of clothes Nick had on when rescued) and propped their legs on the boat to keep part of their bodies out of the water.  Marquis was to intelligent to GIVE up with a beautiful baby girl and loving family.

 These are former NFL players who have survived massive conditioning.  You can suffer dilusions from multiple states but what DOESN’T match, is NICK told the USCG he last seen his friends @ 2 in the morning the day he was rescued.  Something isn’t right about this entire story. 

Now that Nick is speaking out because he suspects no one will be able to tell what really happened; Marquis documented character from one’s who really know him contradicts the accounts from NICK.  

Photos show Nick being rescued with a jacket/hoodies?  I’m not sure if the USCG gave him the flip flops but I hope so because I can’t believe that after capsizing and wading in the water, he managed to keep his SHOES on.

Nicks mother whispered to her husband on LIVE TV she doesn’t want to say anything else until the others are found.  How can a Mother say that when other families still haven’t found their loved ones.  America is also watching and praying but this families actions are questionable.

I pray they give this guy a lie detector test to see if foul play was involved.  If anything, maybe the players where being fought off, maybe they where kicked unconscious and someone took off their life jackets.

Nicks story doesn’t match what the family of Marquis Cooper knows to be true, he is a fighter and doesn’t give up.  Any NFL Coach or trainer can attest to the training these guys receive.

What are you saying Tellmewhy,

Are you suggesting that they were not in a storm that slide further south than forcasted?

I am a former naval rescue swimmer and very much understand the dynamic situation these guys were in.  And in 68 degree water after about 8 hours the mind will begin to shutdown as the body’s core temp drops.  This is because the blood will flow more in the core of the body than the extremities.

In the first 8 hours they likely couldn’t just climb on top of the vessel’s Vhull without falling off from the 6’ to 12’ seas crashing over top.  The best thing they could’ve done was teather each other together and not let each other go.  Even then some might not think along these lines because in many water survival situations tend to lead toward panic.  Panic is what will kill you the fastest, and not some guy in a survival situation deciding it would be a good time for him to off his close friends.

But then again, I’m only a former naval rescue swimmer that understands how to survive in this type of environment, so what do I know???

Oh, BTW, maybe you should stop watching CSI for about a month or so.

Tellmewhy – Nick has just been through  a Tramatic & terrible event AND lost friends in the process . I really do not think what YOU are saying makes sense.

anyways-
My Heart, thoughts, and Blessings of peace go out to each family

This is a terrible tragedy, where 3 men lost their lives. Unfortunately, I find myself with a lot of questions that beg to be answered, with the first and foremost being: Why would 3 very physically fit, young men with a lot to look forward to in life, give up after only 2-4 hours? That just doesn’t make any sense. And why has his story as to when they were seperated changed so drastically?

We weren’t on the boat, and only Nick has the answers as to what really happened out there. We don’t know what the real truth is, only what Nick tells us. But we do know that the will and instinct to survive is strong; it’s hard to believe the other 3 gave up on life that fast.

i do not want to contridict anyone, however, i think that Nick Schuyler id not telling the truth about the whole thing.  Something is not right. I do not care what anyone says, i do not feel like them boys just let go of the boat and decided that they were going to die. I bet if he took a lie detector test, he would not pass.  The families of the missing people should request an investigation into this.  Because this was not their first time out on the boat so i am pretty sure they knew what to do if the boat went over.  So pitstains and Kelly262009, you need to get your heads out of the clouds. That boy did something to them men and the families of them men deserve to know the truth.

Why is everything got to be a conspiracy? Pit Stains you said it best. I live in Tampa Bay and boating accidents happen down here from time to time. You don’t need any special training or liscense to operate a boat, if you can afford one your free to use it as you wish. thayne7, do you think these men took some class on what to do when thier boat flips? What the heck do you do when your boat flips? If they had special training they would have known not to be out so far in such a small boat in bad weather. It’s just a bunch of young guys going out fishing, not thinking about anything ever going wrong or prepared incase it does. It just a tragic accident that happens all too often out on the Gulf.

alright I guess I can see something like that happening. I guess I just see the good in all  people in general. 
I teared-up when I read this story.. ( Yeh- i’m such a girlie-girl) It just  really tugged my heart string. Whatever is the truth ( Whatever Nick did or did not do) does not matter….this is still  a sad sad story.

Everyone who is alleging foul play, I ask 1 question?  Have you ever been in a 21ft boat in rough seas?  Didn’t think so.  A 21ft boat in 7-15ft seas is a helluva ride and when anchored – see ya.  This is a terrible tragedy and thoughts and prayers are with all the families.  Please stop assuming foul play – maybe the truth is being told and those gentlemen at the time felt it was over.  Until a person has been in the same situation the arm chair quarterbacking needs to end!! 

my heart goes out to the families and I have never been in any kind of situation close to theirs but I just don’t understand how after just 2-4 hours especially in the kind of shape those guys are in that they would give up

I know this is a horrible thought but can there be more to this whole story? I don’t know perhaps it is to terrifying to fully comprehend I just feel like there is somehting else going on

my prayers to the families

God Bless the these young men and their families!

Tellmewhy,

I am wondering the same thing regarding the incident.  I hope that the families press for a rigid investigation because I believe Nick is a sociopath.

My professional field indicates he is hiding behind his disorder and it needs to be address immediately.

May God bless the families 

Thaynes7,

What leg do you have to stand on with your logic.  Let me tell you something about survival swimming and the training I received at NACCS and RSS school in P’cola, FL.  We go through a series of drown proofing, helo dunkers blind folded, swimming miles and drown proof in full flight gear including steel toed boots, flight suit, gloves, helmet, and SV2 (survival vest).  We spend serveral hours in the water perfecting everything we do.  We do this why? Because if we are not perfect at it people die or we can even lose our own lives.

In order for us to stay afloat we are using survival strokes that lend to energy saving and swimming efficiency.  If I’m in a pool or any body of water with someone else you would notice a night and day difference in my comfort level while swimming even next to a strong swimmer.  I’m beyond comfortable in the water and being in it is the least of my concerns when on a rescue mission.  It’s an a challenging comprehensive environment, but we are very well trained to defeat any fear of being in the drink.

Most people tend to kick their legs and paddle with their arms until they exaust themselves.  It becomes an inescapeable fight or flight syndrome for those that lack survival swim training.  Compound this with the hypothermic weather and water conditions, high seas, and time and it is easy to see why they give up.  Hell we had guys DOR (drop on request) in the swimming pool under less challenges these guys found themselves in.  Maybe you haven’t been in cold water long enough to understand this very well.  But I’ve swam Pensacola Bay during the winter months and the Gulf of Mexico gets mighty cold and I live in the Pacific NW and still thought the winter Gulf waters were very cold especially after swimming in it for 3 hours before having the honor of swimming back to shore nearly another mile.

And about your lie detector solution to ease your mind.  I don’t think it would give accurate information at all.  The mind is so delusional after this kind of trama that a lie detector test would never discern the difference between a truth or lie.  Maybe because the mind is still trying to reconcile what actually happened.

I’m putting you on restriction along with Tellmewhy and letting you know to stop watching CSI for at least a month or so.  Freakin morons.

They took their life jackets off after 2-4 hours and just drifted away?  I don’t think so, Nick.  How about giving us the whole story?  Truthfully, this time.

(Writing this in CSI Conspiracy Mode=Tragedy. Wouldn’t ever want to be faced with that.)
Seems to me these guys were boating rookies from the get go. Didn’t check the weather, or ignored it. Went out in rough weather, or had rough weather suprise them in a small boat, and put an anchor out in choppy seas? How did that guy get a boaters license is the first question, then not having a Emergency Locator on the boat? Or a battery powered waterproof Coast Guard radio? Flares? 2 or more Disposable cell phones in a ziploc bag?
I know that water gets cold at night, but conditions were worse than people know about, and if you think you are freezing to death, dementia really does set in, then panic, then hallucinations, and you have to BELIEVE you are gonna make it, or you give up. Had it been on a nice summer day when literally hundreds of boats are out and about, they would have been found pretty quick, no doubt. But all the informed boaters STAYED in, and all the ill advised went out, and this is what happens. All for fishing. When you go boating, ya gotta know that the guy who is driving the boat knows WTF he is doing, and this guy didnt. Tragic, yes. Could have been avoided? Hell yes. This is a HARD lesson that will be taught in many Coast Guard and NFL classes. Then you have to factor in who had been drinking and how much, cause many fishing trips revolve around beer and fish. I know this, being in the water that is colder than you want it to be or comfortable with will fray your nerves in 20 mins, much less 1-5 hrs, and if you havent ever swam in cold water for any length of time, even with a vest, you are in a panic because of Sharks and not being OUT of the water. People get selfish when it comes to saving their own lives, and I am curious how this will play out. These guys were in the best shape of their lives, and could endure more pain and being uncomfortable than many average people in these conditions, and for a couple of NFL caliber athletes with vest on, just throw in the towel after 2 hours doesnt add up. I am sure the Coast Guard is already investigating any and all angles that dont make sense, and these scenarios always have an interesting outcome, or at least, investigation. In a survival mode, its as raw as it gets. How close were they as friends? How long had they known the other parties? Did they just meet or had they fished before?  Do you really care, when it comes down to it, about some people you just met, if they survive? What if it came down to you or someone else surviving by merely being on top of the boat?
Watch-there will be some CSI spin on this in one of their shows about this, almost word for word. 

    To the conspiracy nuts out there…do you believe that Nick was somehow able to capsize the boat at will so he could kill his friends? Can this man control the elements? Was this a premeditated act?
    It looks like alot of folks are sitting in the bathtub, talking about what it’s like on the high seas.
    Until you’re confronted with the hopelessness and helpessness of being alone at sea then shut the frik up and let the story play out on it’s own without the Monday morning CSI.

Wonder if they were all drunk/high.

Wow!  What a bunch of freaking idiots here.  High or drunk?  Nick killed them?  Rookie boaters?  How many of you people ever get off your couches and experience anything in life?  They weren’t drunk or high they were tossed into the frigid cold water of the ocean with 7’ to 15’ waves.  They left in calm weather with a storm that was supposed to miss the area they were headed for.  And why would Nick lie?  Is there any reason he would do anything to hurt them or lie about it?  Also, they were experienced deep sea fishermen who loved the water and were on it a lot.Is there any reason this has to be anything other than a tragic, freak accident?What’s the matter?  Nothing to do since the WTC conspiracy talk has blown over?

No Conspriracy, Nick just became delusional after ingesting saltwater and been on the hull of Marquis boat alone for 36 hours and spending two nights in pitchblack dark with fear we can imagine, Corey, Marquis and Will left him when the boat capsized everything after that he imagined to help him survive, he was really seeing and talking with people that had already left him.  I doubt if he will ever tell the truth.

Something seems very fishy about Nick’s story. If the waves were so powerful, how did will manage to swim underneath and retrieve other lifevest? salt water burns your eyes. if the waves were so powerful, how do you even steady yourself to put on a life vest being tossed around? could it be that there were only two lifevests and Nick manage to grab one while the others frantically tried to pull up the anker? could it be that once the boat overturned that it threw all 4 over, but Nick already had his vest on and made it back to the boat and the others never made it back the first time, (hum)

Perhaps there were only two vests in that boat, the one Nick had on and the other found floating miles away. If they took their vests off there would be 3  lifevest still floating.(hum)

it is easy to stand ashore and lend a hand to someone in distress, but once you are a victim  of distress, your survival instinct kicks in with no regard to anyone else at that point. if you drove a car off a bridge with your family in it and crash down in water upside down. your first your survival instinct tells you to get out, once you reach a meaure of savety and calm then you go after your family and little bobby strapped in the back seat. its somewhat of a selfish instinct, but it lies in all of us. thats what i believe happen to those boaters.