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Decade Of Change: The 10 Step Program To Improving Baseball

A couple years ago, when I was just getting to know my current girlfriend, she hated baseball. Hated it. It was one of the things we’d talk about most often. "It’s so boring!" she would tell me. "How can you spend so much damn time watching it and writing about it day after day?" She didn’t understand how I – or anyone for that matter – could do what I do.

By and large, of course, good relationships are founded upon shared interests. If there’s something that you know your partner really enjoys, you should make an effort to enjoy it, too. That way you can enjoy things together. Talk about them together. Bond over them together.

We still talk about baseball from time to time. Ask her what she thinks about it now, and she’ll tell you it’s probably not the worst thing in the world.

Baseball, rather obviously, is a popular sport. An immensely popular sport. But it’s a sport that attracts particular sorts of people. It doesn’t have hockey’s speed or blend of skill and strength. It doesn’t have basketball’s pace or high scoring. It doesn’t have football’s ability to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It doesn’t have soccer’s whatever it is that makes people like soccer. Baseball is a very deliberate game.  It’s one of the only sports wherein competitors are able to think their way through almost any given situation before it happens. As such, it has a tempo all its own, and while it’s this tempo and thinking-man’s appeal that draws a lot of us in, it’s also the very thing that pushes a lot of people away. If you don’t like baseball because it’s too slow or too boring, chances are no one will ever be able to change your mind.

Baseball fans are okay with that. We’re generally not the preachy sort. We love the game and the league the way they are, and if you disagree, then the loss is yours and yours only.  With that said, no matter how much we love the game, it’s not perfect, and not even the hardiest fan in the world would tell you it is. This game could use some changes. Not changes to make it more appealing to a broader viewership, but rather changes to make it more appealing to us, the core audience.

I’ve listed ten such changes to Major League Baseball below. Some of these changes are my own ideas. Some of them are ideas I’ve heard before. In general, I think the game could change for the better in three areas: (1) entertainment, (2) parity, and (3) safety. This is far from a complete list, and I don’t expect many or any of them to take place over the next ten years, but I think that each and every one of them would help improve a game we love, but have the capacity to love even more.

ENTERTAINMENT

Phase in replay and robots. This is the obvious one, and the most controversial one. Newer technology has presented us with the ability to review pretty much any call an umpire makes. This, in turn, makes umpires almost obsolete, save for certain situations. The result is that we get a group of baseball fans in support of higher accuracy arguing against a group of baseball fans in support of preserving tradition.

Look, I get the tradition thing. I know how much change sucks. But why do umpires exist? Umpires exist to make rulings on the actions on the field. Umpires are trained to be as accurate as is humanly possible. Turns out the maximum threshold of human accuracy is lower than the level of accuracy we can get from a TV or computer.
      
Baseball is the only sport that has the opportunity to get nearly every single one of its calls right on the field. The only sport. We can review every single pitch or tag or foul ball without interrupting the pace of the game. So why wouldn’t we? I get that human error has some appeal in that it gives everyone something to talk about, but wouldn’t you rather have people talking about the game? Baseball is a competition between two teams, and because of that, it seems to me that you’d want to minimize the influence of a subjective third party. Everybody who watched this year’s playoffs knows that a bad call can have a dramatic effect in dramatic situations. How is that a good thing? How is that in the best interests of the game?
      
Baseball has the means of getting better in this regard, and I think it’s imperative that the league takes measures to do it. You don’t eliminate umpires altogether. You can still have them on the field to make calls. You just make sure those calls are confirmed before play resumes. Once this sort of thing is implemented, there is no way – no way – that, five or ten years down the road, anyone would think the game is worse off.

Quicken pitcher pace on the mound. Pitchers are going to take their time, and that’s fine. Pitching requires a lot of thought. It requires a lot of strategizing. But sometimes certain guys will take that to the extreme. Miguel Batista and Steve Trachsel, for example, are renowned for how slowly they work. Sometimes you’ll see a guy throw over to first four or five times in an at bat. Mound visits are another issue that can really kill the mood. In order to keep the game moving forward, I think pitchers should be timed, pickoffs should be penalized (after the first one), and mound visits should be limited. The pitcher throwing the ball to the catcher is the very core of the game. Ultimately, we want to see more of that and less of all the other stuff.

Limit or penalize mid-inning pitching changes. While a pickoff or a mound visit can serve as an annoying pause, I don’t know if there’s anything worse than the mid-inning pitching change. The mid-inning pitching change sends you to commercial and delays the game by a good three minutes. That is an absolute tension killer, something that actively reduces one’s level of entertainment. There should be restrictions. I don’t know the best way to do it. You could mandate that every reliever has to face multiple batters. You could give managers one mid-inning change a game. You could force guys to come in without warming up. There are a lot of ideas out there, and I don’t know which is best. I just know that something ought to be done, because with the way things are now, the later innings of a close contest can feel an awful lot like the final minute in the NBA.

Penalize intentional walks. The intentional walk sucks. It sucks. I get the strategy, but the strategy is basically "I don’t like this situation so I’ll chicken out in favor of the next one," and that’s stupid. It is not in the best interests of the game to have Ichiro or Albert Pujols or Barry Bonds get fewer at bats. I like the two-base penalty idea I’ve seen in a few places. Double the cost of the IBB. And to make sure pitchers don’t cheat by issuing non-intentional intentional walks, apply the same rule to any four-pitch walk. Any pitcher should be able to throw at least one strike per at bat. Do this and managers will think twice about avoiding the next superstar or No. 8 batter or what have you. It’s a more radical change than the others in terms of on-field effect, but it’s one that I think everyone agrees would increase the game’s excitement.

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PARITY

Even out the American League and the National League. The AL has 14 teams, the NL has 16 teams, and for some reason people just accept this. What it means is that, in any given season, any team in the AL will have a 14% better chance of making the playoffs than any team in the NL. That’s…what? How can you justify having four teams in one division and six in another? Being a Mariners fan, I know it works to my personal benefit, but that’s crazy, and no possible scheduling or interleague explanation can convince me that what we have now is somehow optimal. You don’t have to re-align all the divisions if you don’t want to. Just move one team over. It’ll be weird, but then it’ll be fine, and it’ll make a hell of a lot more sense.

Resolve the payroll problem. People always think it’s jealousy or sour grapes, but let’s face it: when one team can spend $201m on its roster in 2009 while another team spends $37m on its own, something’s broken. We’ve all just kind of grown to accept it, that the Yankees and Red Sox can play with fake money while other teams invest too little, but that gives us a playing field that’s way out of whack, and the gap between the haves, the have-nots, and the haves-but-want-to-be-perceived-as-have-nots will only get wider as the level of information increases. Again, I’m not sure of the best way to handle this, whether it be by introducing salary caps and floors, penalizing high or low payrolls, or plopping a third team in New York, but something needs to be done if baseball wants to be seen as fair. When one team can sign CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Mark Teixeira in the same winter, parity is an illusion.

Condense the playoff schedule. Right now, there are so many days between games and rounds that a team’s depth is never tested. In the playoffs, for example, the Yankees gave 78% of their innings to Mariano Rivera, CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Andy Pettitte. In the regular season, those four accounted for just 48%. The Phillies rode Cole Hamels and Cliff Lee, and the Mariners, right now, are set to press ahead with Lee and Felix Hernandez. Teams that are top-heavy are at an advantage in the postseason, as they’re able to maximize the playing time given to their best players. This is all well and good, except for the fact that the regular season is a test of the roster entire.
      
The result? The regular season and the playoffs kind of reward different things. Depth is absolutely critical during the summer, but as soon as October rolls around, it’s virtually irrelevant. That’s weird. How do you reward one thing for six months and then have a tournament that rewards something else? The playoffs will never be perfect, as people can’t even agree on the purpose of their very existence, but we should, at the very least, attempt to make them a little more consistent with the other 162 games. And by eliminating as many off days as possible, we could even extend the division series to seven games.

Resolve the PED problem. This addresses a different sort of parity – parity not between teams, but between players. Either draw a clear line between what’s allowed and what’s not – and justify that line – or, more aligned with my preference, legalize and monitor the use of PEDs. Personally, I’ve never really had that much of a problem with PED use. Not only are players always going to find ways to cheat, but more importantly, I don’t get why they’re against the rules.
      
The example I always go back to is Lasik eye surgery. PEDs use artificial means to, in theory, improve one’s performance. Lasik eye surgery does the same thing. Why is one okay while the other isn’t? They both represent advances in medical technology, and they both, in theory, may give certain players certain advantages.
      
If someone can draw a good line, that’s great. But I don’t think that’s possible, which is why I think we should just let players do pretty much whatever they want, just so long as they’re doing it safely. People in any field will take anything for anything as long as they think it’ll help. This has gone on forever, and it’ll continue that way for as long as competition exists. The problem is the secrecy. Get it out in the open and, before long, the problem will go away.

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SAFETY

Take measures to reduce take-out slides and home plate collisions. Take-out slides and home plate collisions are considered to be among the toughest parts of the game, but they’re also dangerous, and unlike in football or hockey, the players on the receiving end generally aren’t in any way prepared to take a hit. Which makes them a real issue. Players should be automatically ejected and suspended for any take-out slide that’s seen as excessive or carries them away from second base (the "Jose Guillen"), and the same should go for any player that initiates a collision at home plate. If you have to collide with the catcher to try to be safe, you made the wrong decision to run. Plays at home plate should either be automatic forces, or the runner must attempt to slide in to safety. Either works. Just eliminate the collision. They aren’t allowed at any other base, and all that padding doesn’t mean a thing if the catcher’s trying to field a bounce.

Penalize the HBP. Sometimes a pitch will just get away from a guy. It happens, especially when you’re trying to throw inside. HBP’s shouldn’t totally screw a guy over. However, I do think they should be penalized more severely than they are now, so that the penalty can serve as an additional deterrent. Any beanball below the neck should warrant a two-base penalty. And any beanball to the neck and the head should warrant immediate ejection and suspension, even if accidental. Throwing at a guy isn’t tough. It’s dangerous. Aside from a little helmet and layers of back fat, hitters are defenseless, and baseballs go fast. So measures need to be taken to greatly reduce the intentional beanball. Also, as always, any beanball perceived as intentional, even if to the back, should warrant ejection and suspension, so that pitchers can’t get away with throwing at a guy in a blowout. 
      
To make sure hitters don’t take advantage of this, the batter’s box could be moved back an inch or so, and umpires could be more vigilant about penalizing them for either stepping out of the box or not making an effort to move out of the way of an inside pitch.

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Baseball will never be a sport that appeals to everybody. Baseball’s pace is its most distinguishing feature, and it’s a pace that’s always going to be right there at the heart. But that isn’t to say that baseball, as constructed right now, is a flawless game. Above, I’ve presented a detailed but incomplete list of possible changes that could enhance Major League Baseball’s levels of entertainment, parity, and safety. These are areas that could each stand to improve, and the sooner baseball recognizes the ways in which it can move itself forward, the better off it’ll be.

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I really like the article and the ideas but the PED discussion in comparison to Lasik eye surgery doesn’t really match up. Getting your eyes corrected allows one to catch back up to the standard and in theory back to the set of eyes that you were born with – 20/20 vision. PED allow one to artificially build muscle and hence engineer one’s body into something that isn’t natural in the first place. In this comparison PED use as compared to Lasik surgery would only make sense if a player had some sort of condition that led to the destruction of muscle and he needed to steroids to build it back up to where one would normally be without the condition.

by Alex Goldstick on Jan 15, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Why should players with bad vision get to play baseball?

If you’re too short, too fat, too clumsy, or whatever, you’re selected against. Why do we correct vision?

More importantly, do you think players only get corrected up to the “standard”? Mark McGwire wore contacts that gave him 20/10 eyesight. How is that not exactly the same thing?

A good article from Slate

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, I don't know

how about if something is illegal by US law, we let it be, if not, we don’t.

MLB can’t sanction the use of steroids, they’re illegal. The feds, if they wish, could come after anybody who uses them. LASIK is very legal, so its allowed.

Pretty easy line for me.

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by David Piper on Jan 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Steroids can be obtained legally with a perscription, and without much difficulty.

All you need is a willing doctor and a hormone deficiency or “hormone deficiency”. Also, the health risks associated with steroids are not well understood and often dramatically overblown. There was a very interesting documentary about steroids culture in the US a couple years ago: Bigger, Stronger, Faster*.

by FlaskInSafeco on Jan 15, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess my point being:

1) players could find ways around the legality issues, and furthermore 2) why are steroids illegal in the first place?

by FlaskInSafeco on Jan 15, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There is one big distinction between Lasik Surgery and Steriods. One is against Federal Law and one isn’t.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not born with eyes that are 20/20.

In fact, everyone is born with eyes that are more close to 20/80 or 20/100. Most people have a genetic trait that they’ll never be 20/20. There’s a lot of theories on why people’s vision is bad. Many baseball players wear contacts and get LASIK.

by dkulich on Jan 15, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I have chronic dry-eye...

making contact lenses a no-go. Also I am a Jehovah’s Witness, so I believe LASIK is the devil’s handshake.

I wear sport goggles that are bulky, fog up, often need cleaning and make me look like a douche.

IMO LASIK≥PED’s

by portablestsanzas on Jan 15, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

PEDs

I also fail to see the analogy between Lasik surgery and PEDs. As far as I know, Lasik surgery does not have any life threatening side effects. It’s not the same with many PEDs. Also, I’ve always thought home plate collisions should have been outlawed years ago.

by chipin on Jan 15, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Lasik has blindness threatening side-effects.

PEDs are just as safe if used properly.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They serve different purposes though

Lasik fulfills a medical need – correcting a malfunctioning organ.

PEDs fulfill a personal want – Making yourself better than you actually are.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did Mark McGwire need to correct his vision up to 20/10?

You’d be amazed how normally you can function at 20/50 or so.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate to play devil's advocate.

But do you know how many people who get LASIK can’t see 20/20, let alone 20/10? Usually they’re around 20/25 or 20/20 at best.

by dkulich on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well in McGwire's case, he (apparently) wore super contacts

Basically, I’m not talking so much about Lasik as I am about general vision enhancement.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

20/10 'enhancement'

It just means you are farsighted. You can see at 20 feet what normal people see at 10 feet. It doesnt help with things that are close.

In hitting this would be a hinderance.

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by Andiamo Cuccioli on Jan 25, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

You might ask Lyle Alzado. I doubt if he would agree with you.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Payroll Disparity

Why does noone ever talk about establishing a floor for payroll? It would create more parity by forcing teams to spend revenue (maybe an exemption could be built in if a team can prove it had an exceptionally bad year financially), while maintaing the spirit of free agency that fosters competition and raises player salaries.

You’d think a salary cap would be good for all, but it suppresses salaries without bringing down the price of anything else. Even with a cap, beers are going to be $7 and lower level tickets are going to be at least $40.

by deacs on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Nice article, and some innovative ideas. However, I can’t resist putting in my two cents’ worth on a few six or seven of your points….

Limit pickoffs? So you’re proposing that once a pitcher has thrown to first in an at-bat, from that point on the runner can take as big a lead as he wants, with no fear of being picked off? That’s crazy talk.

Penalize mid-inning pitching changes? You’re really tinkering with the “thinking man’s” aspect of the game here. Strategic pitching changes and the countering changes in the batting lineup are part of the fascination of the game. If you take that away, you’re transforming the game into something else.

Penalize intentional walks? They already do. They put the guy on base. Sorry, but the intentional pass is a time-honored tradition and an established part of baseball strategy. If you don’t want your guy getting a free pass, put a good hitter behind him.

Parity problem? What parity problem? As a Yankees fan, I don’t see a parity problem. ;-)

Condensing the playoff schedule would do more harm than good. For one thing, it’s ineffective. If you sweep, you get extra days off before the next round, and you get to rest your ace. There’s no way to avoid that. And although the one reason the schedule is stretched out is to generate more TV revenue, the benefit to baseball fans is that we get to see more games. I’m not sure I’d be in favor of hastening the onset of the winter break. Heck, I can barely stand to wait out the All-Star break!

Take-out slides and home plate collisions should be penalized when seen as deliberate and excessive, but I don’t like the proposed home-plate rule. Let’s not ignore the fact that a lot of home plate collisions are occasioned by the catcher setting up camp in the base path before he gets the ball. Penalize unnecessary roughness, yes; but don’t stack the deck in favor of the catcher.

Finally, ditto to what Alex said about PEDs. A player should not be forced to choose between his body and his career – most PEDs carry serious medical risks with them, and if you allow their use, there will always be guys who will abuse them in order to bulk up. That puts “clean” players at a huge disadvantage.

by rickmbari on Jan 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

The playoff schedule does need to be fixed

Playing 162 games almost everyday and then switching to a system where a 5 game series can take 8 days, or a 7 game series takes 10 days, doesn’t make sense.

If two teams sweep in the first round, move the start date of the next series up. Or you could take out the off days in each series. They fly across country and play games the next night all season long. Unless the next game is a day game, there’s no need for an off day.

It’s affecting the game. Teams need 5 starters to get through the regular season and then only 3 for the playoffs because there’s so much downtime? That’s ridiculous.

Starting pitching was the Yankees’ only weakness last year and the playoff schedule kept it from being exposed at all.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Playoff Schedule is a Mess

All of the off days are due to TV. They control everything. That is the reason for the one first round game having an off day after the first and second games. That is also the reason for their being an off day after the fourth game in the seven game series. That first round series could be like the other three and they could use two networks to broadcast the games. So a few of them overlap. Nobody watches all of them anyway. Bud Selig said he was going to look at all of the off days this winter. I hope he does something.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The thinking man
Penalize mid-inning pitching changes? You’re really tinkering with the "thinking man’s" aspect of the game here. Strategic pitching changes and the countering changes in the batting lineup are part of the fascination of the game. If you take that away, you’re transforming the game into something else.

Perhaps it’s because I was subjected to Bob Melvin, Mike Hargrove, and John MacLaren, but I like the idea of limiting pitching changes, if only to spare the fans of teams with robotic managers. The Mariners had a string of managers who, it seems, were eager to play by the book, meaning that if there was a right-handed batter up at the plate late in a game, dad gummit you needed a right-handed pitcher. If Randy Johnson were pitching in relief and a righty came up to bat, these guys would consider putting in José Mesa (ok, slight exaggeration).

My point is that, in my experience, the pitching changes are often anything but a thinking man’s approach; rather, it’s the opposite. I find continual pitching changes tedious, not exciting. In fact, the most excitement comes when a guy brought in after, say, George Sherrill pitches to a single batter, manages to give up the tying/winning run. I find it amusing to see how, post-game, the manager rationalizes his decision. But I’d rather find my entertainment elsewhere.

I suppose if I had had a string of managers who could think rather than just go by the book (not Tango’s book, obviously) I would feel different.

by Christoph on Jan 15, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

In order:

(1) I don’t want to forbid additional pickoffs. Just penalize them.

(2) It’s easy to go L-L or R-R. The real “thinking man’s game” comes in when you have to figure out how to deal with opposite-handed batters. Today’s specialization hasn’t always existed, and I don’t think it’s good.

(3) I admit that I’m sympathetic to your opinion and don’t even necessarily agree with myself. I haven’t decided. I hate the intentional walk, and love i t.

(4) Well

(5) I don’t think your reasoning is very good. But feel free to extend the rounds to nine games if you want. We’ll never eliminate all the downtime, but we could sure eliminate a lot of it.

(6) I agree, and perhaps an interference rule could be enforced whereby the catcher is not allowed to position himself in the basepath until he has the ball.

(7) There are already guys who will abuse PEDs in order to bulk up, and there always will be, because synthesis will always be ahead of detection. Players are always going to cheat. Always. If we permit their use and keep them monitored, then at least we could keep players from putting themselves in danger. Forbidding PEDs while allowing things like vision enhancement or cortisone doesn’t really make sense to me anyway.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

AL/NL alignment

This is one that I think should be done, but I know why they don’t. If there are 15 teams in each league, then you’ll have seven matchups in each league at most on any given day. It would leave one AL team and one NL team not playing every day.

I would be in favor of just allowing the AL and NL to play each other any time during the year—much like AFC and NFC teams play each other during the regular season in the NFL—but without being ok with that, 15 teams in each league won’t work. The other thing is, some teams may spend more games playing with or without the DH than other teams, another unfair disparity. Of course, just adding the DH to the NL would eliminate that problem…

by BrettJMiller on Jan 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Portland, OR needs a team

Though it might hurt the revenues for my beloved Mariners, Portland, Oregon is the largest US city to only have one pro team (the Blazers). MLB needs to get there before the NFL does, because three pro teams is too many for Portland.

The other team should go to New York City. This should take only a small amount of revenue from the Yankees (and the Mets…oh darn) in the short term. Over time, assuming the new team is well managed, future revenue to the current NY teams will be more significantly reduced. This would help create parity.

Another suggestion I would have for parity would be an international draft…as complicated as that would be…and caps on bonuses and contracts for draftees. The best young talent needs to go to the worst teams, period. In exchange, perhaps the MLB gives the players back one year of team control, going from six to five.

by short on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, the AL West could use another team.

You could bring baseball back to Montreal or another Canadian city as well and put that team in the East or Central.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Montreal?

Is there reason to believe baseball can work there?

There may be better places to expand than NYC, however, but it wouldn’t serve the dual purpose of limiting the economic advantage of the NY teams. If you put a team in NYC I was thinking you could then push Atlanta to the NL Central, and put Houston in the AL West. This would create two great new rivalries (Seattle/Portland and the two Texas teams) and turn the AL West into a six team division…which is fair since AL West teams enjoyed a four team division for so long.

And, no, this is not a plan to put two patsies in the AL West for my Mariners to feast upon. But now that you mention it…

by short on Jan 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, from what I've heard there's enough people that miss the Expos that it could

Three teams in NY just seems excessive to me.

I’m not sure what other US cities/regions besides Portland are big enough to warrant a team.

Vegas has the population maybe, but how well would baseball do in a place that is a giant tourist trap where most of the locals are employed entertaining visitors? Kind of hard to attract hometown fans when they are all pouring drinks, checking people into hotel rooms, and patrolling the streets for visitors at game time. You’d probably see more Angel, Dodger, Padre and Diamondback fans at games there when their team is in town.

Buffalo and Anchorage come to mind. But again I feel like the NY market is oversaturated. Anchorage would certainly be an exclusive market, but can you draw enough people in sparsely populated Alaska to support a team? Weather and travel time would be a legit concern also.

I think the US market is well saturated for baseball, again outside of Portland maybe. Baseball is popular enough in Canada that I think it’s the next logical place to put an expansion team or two after Portland. Mexico would be as well if their currency was more on par with the US and Canada, but it’s not.

Besides Montreal – Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Vancouver might be viable locations. Vancouver could be a cool rivalry for the Mariners.

Either way, any future expansion is going to have to involve two teams being added to the AL and at least one to the West. If they want to add another team as well for my Angels to devour, then by all means, go ahead. ;)

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Three teams in NY just seems excessive to me.

It’s not. The New York metropolitan area consists of nearly 20 million people. Split between 3 teams, that’s roughly 6.7 million per team, which is still more than every other team in MLB has.

No, the problem isn’t that it’s excessive – it’s that the 3rd team would have a very hard time prying away fans from the Yankees & Mets. And you’d see a huge fight from either the Steinbrenner family or Fred Wilpon depending on which league you placed the 3rd team.

by kirkd on Jan 15, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Three teams in NY just seems excessive to me.

When the Mets were born in 1962, it was only four years since the NL Giants and Dodgers left town. There were alot of people hungry for NL baseball. They took to the Mets pretty quickly. It won’t be that way now. Just because there are 20 million people in the area does not mean they all have the means to attend a baseball game. Alot of those folks live in the poor areas of NYC and can’t attend games.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't see it

The Yankees and Mets are just too well entrenched. If a 3rd team showed up, I don’t see a lot of either of these fans getting up and supporting that third team. I think everyone interested in baseball in NY has picked a team already.

LA County and the surrounding areas (Orange, Riverside, Ventura, San Bernardino Counties) have close to the same amount of people as the NY Metro area. These are the same areas the Dodgers and Angels are broadcast in. There’s no room for a 3rd team here so I don’t see why NY would be different.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario area is large enough to support a team,

and twice the population of Portland/Vancouver/Hillsboro. They’re both areas that at growing. However, they’re also the areas with the highest population that are without a baseball team of their own. Go ahead and add two teams!

by LoneStranger on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You'd need byes.

Byes won’t work in baseball.

by dkulich on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No you wouldn't

You just have one interleague series at all times.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Odd Number of Teams in Leagues

When baseball last expanded, the reason they did not make the leagues have 15 teams was because of the schedule. They don’t want the interleague games to last all season. This was a reason that was annouced by MLB.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Some disagreements:

1) You can’t even out the NL and AL right now. If you had 15 teams each, there would always have to be an interleague series going on, or one team per league would always be sitting out for 3-4 day stretches.

The only way to even them out would be to add 2 expansion teams to the AL or contract the NL by 2 teams. The former I wouldn’t mind. You could move the Rangers to the Central (where they belong) and add two teams to the AL West. Or you could put one in the AL West (say Portland) and one in Montreal or something. I think they’d like to have baseball back.

2) Nothing should be done about IBBs, homeplate collisions, etc. These things are part of the game and serve a purpose. If a guy gets walked, it’s his team’s fault for not getting another hitter to protect them. You can’t punish teams for exploiting their opponents’ weaknesses.

Home plate collisions and sliding collisions happen because players are trying to score/defend their base. This is simply part of the sport and sports sometimes get physical. Their grown men, they can handle it.

I agree with you on salary reform (a cap AND a floor) and PED’s as well as replay to an extent.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

*"They're grown men", my bad.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm happy to add two teams

but I honestly don’t get why having one interleague series at all time is so bad.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe because of the same people who want to keep humans umpiring despite having the technology to do otherwise.

Also, the NL needs to conform to having a DH. Having pitchers hit in this age is just ridiculous. Otherwise, I think its a good idea. But it could give an excuse to add two more teams to the AL to even them out as well.

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by Fin on Jan 17, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm

Lasix != PED. Lasix just restores your vision as does contact lenses and glasses. Should we ban them too? You’d knock out around 30% of MLB players. If lasix allowed you to build muscle mass at an astonishing rate, then I’d agree.

All plays at home are force outs? or slide? This sounds like coed softball. Or worse! Here’s the problem, the catcher is blocking the plate, often without the ball or as the ball has just arrived. The catcher should not have any more right to the plate than the runner. More players are injured crashing into walls than into catchers. Next thing you will want the players to all wear dresses.

I agree with the payroll cap and floor. Must go both ways, max cap and floor cap, similar to what the NBA has in a sense.

vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

PED's are dangerous

This is my problem with them. Using PED’s is not safe. By allowing them the league is implicitly encouraging players to use them to be comptetitive.

Now if they can come up with some regimen of steroids or HGH that can pass FDA standards, and that improves players’ recovery time from the stresses on their bodies from a full MLB season…I’m all for it. Right now, there’s no such thing and they should not be allowed.

by short on Jan 15, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Trickle down effect

and they need to be careful what they make legal like you stated, because once you make some of this stuff legal for ballplayers you are going to have a trickle down effect throughout the minors, college and even high school players.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This is an artificial distinction

You’re basically saying that Lasik is completely different from PED because it is different. Who’s to say that somebody getting Lasik was born with perfect vision? And as Jeff said before, there’s no reason to assume that people who get Lasik change their vision to some universal standard, rather than making it as good as it can possibly be.

And the whole point of comparing PEDs to Lasik is to show how one is universally accepted while the other is universally condemned, even though there is no hard line that one can draw to distinguish one from the other.

by Nadingo on Jan 15, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It can't be too hard

to draw a line between lasik and muscle mass building drugs. I understand the analogy, but I believe it is WAY off. I think a better one would be to compare PED with cortisone shots. Yes, there is going to be some subjectiveness in where the line gets drawn but personally I am fine with that. I think common sense can easily prevail.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure...

Prior vision tests and the like would determine how good their vision was beforehand.

And they are very different things. Lasik is the same as constanty wearing glasses or contacts. It is intended to repair a part of your body that is worn down or malfunctioning so that it can do what it would naturally do when healthy. It’s similar to getting Tommy John surgery or having bone chips taken out of a player’s knee or elbow. These are intended to repair your body’s natural abilities.

PED’s are different. They are intended to enhance your body’s natural abilities. If you were perfectly healthy in all aspects you would not be able to put up the same numbers as you would with PED’s. This is more similar to getting a boob job than it is to getting laser surgery to restore your vision.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What about using HGH to recover from an injury?

Wouldn’t that just be repairing your body’s natural ability as well?

by Terminator X on Jan 15, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is great!!!

This is exactly what I was thinking with the pickoffs. Everytime the announcer says that “speed slows down the game” Why the hell is that?!?! Because the pitcher has to throw over to over to first base 1000 times its not like he is gonna throw out the likes of a Reyes, HanRam, or Rollins anyways. Just gonna delay the inevitable steal.

And there was nothing more fun than watching Tony LaRussa making 10 pitching changes per half inning in last years playoff run. Sarcasm for those that don’t get it.

by rcnt123 on Jan 15, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

PEDs

The hubub over PEDs is somewhat arbitrary. I don’t much like your lasik analogy, but others can be made. Someone mentioned cortisone shots above, and I think that’s more on the mark. Hell, Gatorade is a performance enhancer.

Steroids, if used responsibly, are not necessarily harmful for adults. They are for kids though. I think they should be banned for that reason alone, since young kids will abuse them if pro athletes use them.

Let’s just ban steroids and set up a strong testing program. I don’t want to see a bunch of Hulk Hogans playing baseball. Draw a line limiting the chemicals you can take that build muscle and leave it at that.

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

by squalene203 on Jan 15, 2010 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong...

But cortizone shots are mainly for pain and inflammation relief and stuff like that right? To me that falls under a medical need, not a personal want.

Gatorade is for hydration, which is clearly a medical need.

PEDs fulfill a want, not a natural medical need.

If you want to get better, train, lift weights, and take things your body naturally uses to strengthen itself like protein and vitamins.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

EDIT: I agree with you on your overall point though.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Cortisone tells your body's signals to shut up

Those signals are telling you that you need to take a break. Silencing them is entirely unnatural.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

How are you definining "need" and "want"?

No one “needs” anything. I don’t absolutely NEED to eat and breathe. I only “need to” if I want to live, but I don’t exactly “need” to live either – I just want to. At the bottom of every perceived need lies a want. No one needs anything. We just want things. Players dont need inflammation/pain relief, they just think they need it because they want to keep playing. It’s a want. Players take cortisone shots not because they “need” them, but because they WANT them, because they WANT to keep playing/recover from injury/get their contract renewed/make the HOF/whatever. Likewise, players take PED’s because they WANT them, because they WANT to keep playing/recover from injury/get their contract renewed/make the HOF/whatever. Everything is a want. There is no such thing as an absolute, undeniable need. People only need things in the context of their wants, ultimately making them wants as well.

by Terminator X on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Oklahoma City

Give OKC a baseball team, and Seattle will take back the Soni… (sigh) I mean Thunder.

by universalguru on Jan 15, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

On the PED/vision thing

You have two guys. Player A is born with 20/40 vision. Player B is born with 20/60 vision.

Player A gets Lasik or contacts or whatever and sees 20/20. Player B gets Lasik or contacts or whatever and sees 20/10.

Why is this allowed?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Because both of their eyes we're malfunctioning

If you have a medical problem, there’s nothing wrong with getting it corrected to function in a more natural range. From my understanding, it’s pretty rare for people to get 20/10 results from Lasik.

What’s the problem if they get contacts and have the same results? In the end it’s not any different than Lasik.

Using your own analogy, Player A and Player B are basically the same physically and put up the same numbers. They are both perfectly healthy and use basically the same training regimen, nothing is medically wrong with them. Player B injects himself with PEDs that wouldn’t naturally exist in his body and make him perform beyond what he or any other player is naturally capable of.

Player B is no longer simply using his natural talent and ability to play and he did not correct some medical problem that hindered his performance. He artificially enhanced his performance to unnatural levels . He is no longer Player B, but Super Player B. Player A and others can no longer naturally compete with him.

Why should that be allowed?

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

*were malfunctioning

"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function

by Commander_Nate on Jan 15, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, as it's generally called

“Good coaching.”

There will always be difference between players, but it’s a question of an even playing field. If one group of players break the rules and the others choose to abide by them, the playing field is destroyed. Any parallel between Lasik and PEDs is inherently flawed, because one is permitted and the other isn’t.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But the bigger issue is Why

I know what’s against the rules and what isn’t. I just don’t get why it is that way in the first place.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 15, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Talk to the government

Steroids are on Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act, while the likely vastly-more dangerous cigarettes are freely available to adults. Go figure. But while that’s the case, you just cannot compare Lasik to PEDs.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jan 16, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate, do you mean to tell us you believe that using lasers to cut a flap off the top of the cornea,

using more lasers to mold the underlying tissue, and then re-adhering the flap to the rest of the eye is… natural? All while the eye is held in place by external suction, and under the influence of a human-created local anesthetic. Did I mention that the lasers monitor the eye position at an astonishing 4000+ times per second and are constantly readjusting their selves just as quickly to keep up? You honestly believe that’s a natural process, and not an artificial one?

by Terminator X on Jan 16, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Way to miss the point

For about the 1,000th time, it restores an organ (your eye) to a more natural, healthy state. It’s the same as Tommy John surgery, knee surgery, heart surgery, etc.

Steroids and unnatural amounts of HGH allow players to grow muscle mass at rates that are impossible to achieve through any natural process. You would be perfectly fine in life or in baseball without them.

How are you missing the logic in this?

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Lasik is a LOSING analogy

I think you can do better.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

LL Crowd

is acting up again.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 16, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That's your rebuttal?

“Lasik is the unnatural enhancement of the natural body” agree or disagree?

by Terminator X on Jan 16, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I fixed it for you

"Lasik is the unnatural legal enhancement of the natural body"

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jan 16, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

So if we legalized anabolic steroids, no problem then?

afterall, then we’d be looking at “Anabolic Steroids are the legal enhancement of the natural body”. You seem to be fine with stuff as long as it’s legal, so let’s just legalize everything, then there’s no problems. Right?

by Terminator_X on Jan 16, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words:

When debating what things should be legal and what things shouldn’t be legal, it doesn’t make alot of sense to use their current legality as an argument for their future legality. That’s begging the question in it’s purest form.

by Terminator_X on Jan 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Stir stick

It doesn’t matter to me if it is or is not, because it is ridiculous to even consider that ballplayers who have had Lasik surgery should not be allowed to play MLB. Common sense reigns. This is just utter nonsense and adds nothing to the discussion.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 16, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If it's really common sense then you should be able to explain why it's common sense.

Common sense typically has a basis in logic, so have at it. Why should Lasik be allowed while HGH disallowed?

by Terminator_X on Jan 16, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I already did

above in a different part of this blog entry. That’s about as much details as I believe I need. I (and many others) believe it is common sense. Why don’t you also ask me to defense hair cuts, wisdom teeth removal, hearing aids, radiation for cancer treatments. Obviously, common sense tells us that Lasik as well as the other examples DO NOT belong in the discussion. All you are doing is trying to trivialize the muscle mass building drugs by comparing them to Lasik. Shall I also explain to you why the earth is not flat?
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 16, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Common sense" is not an answer. You can explain it or you can't.

If it’s really so obvious as to be “common sense” then surely you can explain it easily and logically.

I read the rest of your posts here and none answer why Lasik should be allowed and HGH unallowed, most just defer to “common sense”

by Terminator X on Jan 17, 2010 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

No it isn't

It corrects a malfunctioning organ back to a more natural state of operation. It’s in the same category as Tommy John surgery.

"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function

by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Two-base penalty

I think a two-base penalty is two extreme. What if runners are in scoring position with one out in a close game? It is in the pitchers best interest to walk the batter to set up the double play. Yes, it can ruin the games excitement, but it is a part of a defensive strategy to better your chances for a double play. To some, that can be exciting.

As for mid-inning relief changes, mound visits, etc, I could not agree more. Being from Chicago, I’ve had to deal with the long, slow walk to the mound from Lou Piniella. The only thing I wonder is what happens during the time when the pitcher is warming up. Could this be a time for announcers to do in-game interviews with players and coaches?

A very good read.

by Eli Greenspan on Jan 16, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

Wow

It’s like you don’t even watch baseball. Penalize intentional walks? Hit by pitches? Why do you think the hitter is going to first for? Timing pitchers? The home plate umpire can (and they have) issue balks for pitchers who take too long.

Baseball has a lot of problems off the field, but on the field, the game is nearly perfect.

by metatron5369 on Jan 16, 2010 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

The penalty for issuing intentional walks

is that you just issued an intentional walk, a “play” which is almost always stupid.

I mean, really, it’s self-correcting. Dumb teams overuse it and lose more games.

Otherwise, I agree with these suggestions.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Jan 16, 2010 2:33 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you whole-heartedly on the PED issue.

And the Lasik analogy makes a ton of sense. Last year I suggested to a group of friends that glasses be banned from baseball. I nearly got crucified. Using anything to enhance performance seems like it should be disallowed equally. Baseball’s a game few are gifted enough to play, yet players are allowed to bring their sight up to par? Seems a little inconsistent.

by MT Olson on Jan 16, 2010 2:51 AM EST reply actions  

Performance Enhancing

Those of you who say players who wear glasses should be banned from baseball, should consider this. If you think glasses are Performance Enhancing, what about baseball gloves?
I guess you want to take those away also. This conversation has gotten out of hand.

by bigmck77099 on Jan 16, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow you really missed the point of the Lasik analogy.

No one wants Lasik banned. We’re pointing out that Lasik and PED’s are basically one and the same, and that it’s logically inconsistent to ban one while allowing the other.

by Terminator_X on Jan 16, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

is asthma medication a PED ?

is medicine used to treat asthma on WADA’s blacklist ? what about for the MLB ?

by prev on Jan 16, 2010 6:16 AM EST reply actions  

Improvement - four outs per side

Too many side changeovers slows the game to a halt. The game needs more sustained action and not rely on home runs. Home runs have become boring and the steroid era is killing the game. Instead of three outs there should be four and the number of innings should be 7. The turns at bat will last longer, there will be more stategies developed offensively. Defensively pitchers will get more of a rythym, fielders will get more chances to turn double plays, throw out runners, plays at third base. Early on the rules of baseball changed a lot.

by shewless on Jan 16, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Early rules of baseball

Early on in the game, pitchers were required to pitch underhand. Pitching overhand gave too much advantage to the pitcher. Then the mound was moved back. The game was too boring with the pitcher dominating. The game has to be tweeked again in favor of offensive strategy and more sophisticated play. Hitting home runs is boring!!!

by shewless on Jan 16, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Steroids killed the game

Steroids killed the game because the value of the statistics, records and the traditions were reduced to zero. Everyone is fighting about asteriks, deleting records etc. The ties to history are done, over, no longer as valid as they were. Home runs changed the game too much for hitting records as well as pitching. Baseball needs to enter a new era of history. Change the rules to create more strategy on the field! Start new statistics, records and traditions. It’s the best way to wipe this mess clean. Each half inning needs to be four outs.

by shewless on Jan 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

To add one more comment to the Lasik/PED comparison statement...

I find the comparison poor on a few levels:

1. You’re comparing a one-time (or handful-of-times) event to continual use. Lasik happens in the care of licensed physicians who have been properly trained. As stated previously, there are risks, but all surgery carries risks just as all medicine carries risks.

2. Frankly, the situations under which a player could legally have Lasik done and illegally acquire steroids are not comparable. Even though steroids can be acquired through prescription, I think we can all admit that there’s a great deal of gray area when it comes to the medical need here. We can’t infer anything about the quality of care athletes receive in these situations.

My point here is that the doctors work to make Lasik procedures safer, reducing medical risk, while the current state of drug law in the US makes anabolic steroids far less safe.

Do I think we should review the drug law and truly determine the long-term risks and benefits of anabolic steroid use? Sure. Do I think it’s possible for an adult athlete under a doctor’s care to use them safely throughout their career? Probably. Do I think athletes currently use them in the safest possible way? Hell no. And that’s where the comparison between the two breaks down for me.

I’ll add that I spent a good many years of my childhood on corticosteroids for a chronic illness, and I really want to reinforce just how much they screwed me up as a kid, and that’s my biggest concern with anabolic steroid discussions.

by jwiscarson on Jan 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

I'm comparing a performance enhancer to a performance enhancer

Correcting your vision unequivocally improves your performance. There’s a much stronger correlation there than there is with steroids.

That’s weird.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 16, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your point. I'm not debating that at all.

I’m arguing that the comparison isn’t apt because, under present circumstances, the applications of the performance enhancers are vastly different. If you get the government to agree that anabolic steroids are legal, or if you get MLB to figure out a way to allow its athletes access to good doctors who can administer these steroids safely, then fine.

My argument is that you’re comparing one of the safest performance enhancers (vision correction) to one that has, at best, questionable safety due to the legality of the medicine involved. It’s a bad comparison for that very reason.

by jwiscarson on Jan 16, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You want to live don't you?

I don’t know very many people who don’t. It’s a natural instinct produced by millions and millions of years of evolution.

Try not breathing or eating and see how your body reacts. That’s how you know what a natural need is. Likewise, using cortisone or a medical procedure to counteract a painful or debilitating injury restores your body to a natural state.

Taking PEDs to enhance your perfectly healthy body doesn’t do this. You can go without PEDs and be just fine.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Reply fail.

This should have been way above.

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by Commander_Nate on Jan 18, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is one good reason Why No PEDs

I have several observations to make here about the Author’s suggestions.
First PEDs, while the Physical issues involved may be debatable, here is one very good reason for Banning PEDs, Anger Management issues combined with increased muscle mass, the stuff might not kill the athlete, but he could kill you, his wife, or a kid or his entire family as in the case of that wrestler.
Now to the game….
With regard to limiting mid inning changes, what do you do if your pitcher hasn’t gotten a batter out since coming in? As a Mariner’s fan this should concern you especially when facing the Yankees, this could in fact slow a game down to a stop as opposing batters do the Charlestown Charlston. Making a pitcher come in without a warm up is just inane, with multiple ruined careers and teams into their single A affiliates by May. Sorry , but I would hate to see a World Series Lost because the Number 12 pitcher on Minnesota’s was required by rule to pitch to Pujols. And I would I would hate to see the Yankees lose the ALCS because Rivera Couldn’t legally hold Ellsbury and he trotted in from 3rd on a sacrifice. Unfair and anticlimactic.
Having been a catcher, I always initiated contact by blocking the plate, and when I got hit it was part of the game…. some of those collisions actually decided games. Would you rather the runner tiptoe into a tagout? Breaking up a double play is part of the game, you play chicken to see if the infielder blinks. I hurt a couple guys on straight slides, never one while trying to breakup a double play. Spikes in the air, that’s another thing.
Los Angeles would be my Choice for one of the new teams, San Jaun, Mexico City, Vancouver, New Orleans, Memphis or Buffalo would be my Choices ( and no, Buffalo is not in the New York Metropolitan area) would be the others. Tokyo would be really, really interesting.
I do agree with instant replay for all balls in play, and called third strikes. I’ve cringed at some of the truly horrendous calls over the years. But Last year truly stuck in my craw because these calls were being made by the best umpires in baseball. There should be nothing left to doubt, and there can not be any chance for someone to claim official Bias. In 1919 an entire baseball squad was banned from the game for the betterment of the game (which is why I think Vegas is a really, really bad home for a team), the least we can do is use existing technology to get the calls right.

by NJ Native on Jan 17, 2010 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

No No No No Yes No Yes Yes Yes

I respect your opinion, but some of these ideas are complete sacrilege. Your suggestion that there should be a limit on throws to 1st, and there should be a time limit for pitchers between pitches and such are a disgrace to the game. There should never be any penalties or time limits in baseball. Football is the game with the timer and penalties. Baseball is a beautiful game, with no time constraints or flags.

I’d also have to disagree with the idea of a majority of calls being made via computer/replay. I think that would slow the game down significantly. Baseball isn’t as easy to judge as you think. Sometimes I have to watch a replay 7 or 8 times to see that the ball was in the glove or that the ball just barely skimmed the ground. Also, balls and strikes should not be debatable. Maybe managers could get one challenge a game or something like that.

Also, the intentional walk needs to stay. Pitchers would just do one of those unintentional intentional walks, and you shouldn’t be able to penalize a pitcher for that. I’ve seen pitchers that have AB’s where they literally don’t have control and can’t get even one strike, and they shouldn’t be penalized for that. Plus, the intentional walk puts the bat in someone’s hands that may not be great, but it certainly does put the spotlight on him and give him a chance to become a hero.

I agree with the mid-inning pitching changes. It’s annoying when a manager brings in the lefty to face the lefty, then the righty to face the righty, and then back to the lefty to face the lefty. I think the way to fix that is to let the manager make the change, except the pitcher doesn’t get any warm up pitches. He just gets right on the mound and starts pitching immediately.

I completely agree with everything you said about parity. The divisions and leagues need to be even, the payrolls need to have a cap or something, and so on and so forth.

I also completely agree with the take out slides and especially home plate collisions. I’ve seen it where the catcher doesn’t even have the ball yet and the guy just takes him out unsuspectingly. Take out slides should be allowed, but of course, with boundaries.

I disagree with the HBP rule, except I do agree that pitchers that hit a guy in the head or above should be thrown out. It’s too risky for the next batter.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Jan 17, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

No.

I have to say that I completely disagree with this entire article, save the part about moving a team from the NL to the AL. I’m a traditionalist, so many of these issues are things I see no problem with.

I love bringing in a pitcher to face one batter. It tests depth in the pen.

I hate PED’s. Hammerin Hank didn’t use them. The Babe didn’t use them. Barry, Mark and Roger shouldn’t use them.

Yeah, speeding up the pitcher would be nice, but I think the pickoff is a great tool that keeps the mental aspect of the game more present.

Umpires are as old as the game itself. I love to hate them. They get the call wrong often. Remember Twins/Braves in the 91 Series? We get pulled off the bag and get screwed. If the computer called it an out, who do I get to scream at? You’re still going to have some calls that no one can get right. I love having an ump to yell at.

IBB – Chipper Jones got walked sooo many times the last two years. It got old, but I wish we’d walk Ryan Howard every time he comes up. If the batter is so superior, then walk him. Or, get Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens to pitch.

The Yankees outspend everyone. Its the Golden Rule of baseball. I guess I’ve just come to accept it. The Sox have sellouts. The Cardinals have the best fans. My Braves can’t get people into the seats because Atlanta is a crappy sports town and its a 2.5 hour drive for me. The Yanks have the $ and they spend it. I wish my team wasn’t owned by Liberty, but Ted Turner again. Then maybe we’d have better attendance and a higher payroll.

HBP and the take out slide are just part of the game. What stops people from doing those? When risk/reward goes too far to risk. Ryan Church hasn’t been the same since his head was introduced to Yunel Escobar’s shin. I don’t think he will be sliding into 2nd like that anymore. As for HBP, maybe if Nolan Ryan hadn’t taken Ventura out back in the day, maybe pitchers would fear the guys with the bat and anger issues. Let Prince Fielder go after a pitcher or two. That’ll solve the HBP issue.

I’m the player to be named later.

by Crash Davis on Jan 18, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

I must say this was well done, Jeff (but then again I love articles like these)

Like most everyone else, I agree with some parts and disagree with some. Here’s some thoughts:

- I’m a fan of phasing in automated strike zones, and anyone worried about umpires losing their jobs need not do so, because the HP umpire still has to make other calls at the plate, the crew still needs a crew chief and of course if the system isn’t working for some reason, the umpire needs to be there to manually call balls and strikes in a pinch.

- You can address take-out slides and catchers blocking the plate with two simple rule changes that won’t fundamentally alter the game all that much. For example: 1) If a player slides spikes-high in a double play situation, both the sliding baserunner and the batter are automatically out, an auto double play. 2) If a catcher’s foot impedes an oncoming baserunner’s path to more than half of home plate, the umpire calls time, the runner is automatically safe and a run will score. Any baserunner in transit to another base before time was called will automatically be awarded that forthcoming base.

- Automatic ejection/suspensions (with lengthy suspensions, like at least 10 games) for HBPs deemed to be intentional would probably cut down on HBPs, headhunting and beanball wars quite a bit by themselves. No warnings if it’s deemed intentional… just an automatic dismissal and 10 games off, and the ump can just wave it off if it seems accidental. You can even double the suspension for throwing at a guy’s head. Giving extra bases for IBBs and HBPs at best turns the current game into something else and opens up a few cans of worms. In the case of beanball wars, most of them happen during the tail end of a rout so giving a runner an extra base likely won’t affect the outcome and won’t mean much.

As for IBB’s, I don’t think they’re that common, and most managers often hurt their chances of avoiding run damage anyway by putting an extra baserunner on. So if they feel they need to give a guy 1st base, let them do so at their own risk.

- Some like baseball’s pacing and some don’t, but I say there’s a lot of needless downtime with the justifiable downtime, and it’d do MLB good to slice a few minutes off the average game time.

How about a pitch clock? Akin to football’s play clock and basketball’s shot clock, just give a hurler something like 20 seconds to deliver the ball. Pickoff throws won’t reset the clock but will add 5 seconds back to the existing time. If you don’t get the pitch off in time, it’s an automatic ball regardless of the count.

Time mound meetings too: The catcher gets 30 seconds and dugout personnel get 60 unless there’s a pitching change. Better yet, do like other sports and give each team a finite number of time outs. If you run out of time outs in a game and you need to talk to the pitcher, the pitch clock’s running and every time it expires that’s another ball for the hitter so make it quick!

by Gomez on Jan 18, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Lasik is comparable to PEDs

Lasik can be used to repair your eyesight, but as many people have already noted, often Lasik is used on athletes who never had good eyesight to begin with and therefore they are enhancing their natural abilities. If Lasik did not exist for these athletes they may never have been able to be competitive enought to play.
 
Similarly, PEDs enhance the natural abilities of athletes. In some cases this enhancement makes a good player great. But in other cases this allows players with natural abilities that wouldn’t be sufficient to be competitive to be competitive.

So, both Lasik and PEDs allow some athletes that wouldn’t have the natural ability to play, to be able to play. While in other cases it allows good players to be great players, such is the case when a player with 20/20 vision gets Lasik to have 20/10 vision.

They seem comparable to me, except of course when we are dealing with legality, but this seems like a seperate argument all together.

by ArunisArun on Jan 20, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Lasik surgery debate is rediculous

Debating lasik surgery is absolutely pointless and comes close to mental masturbation. By that I mean if you think lasik surgery effects the game and gives advantage then what about tommy john surgery or even acl surgery or any medical procedure or even asthma medicine. The argument about lasik is moot and for it to be commented on so often makes me wonder if this is an optomitrist convention. Did you even play at high school level?

by shewless on Jan 20, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Tommy John Surgery restores the body

ACL surgery restores the body.

Vision correction enhances the body.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 21, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Tommy John enhances but that is not the point

The distinction is pointless. Besides Tommy john enhances because the tendon is tighter and pitchers can get more velocity. Many pitchers have come back stronger after the surgery. Every medical intervention enhances performance and careers. People are born with less than perfect eyesight, weaknesses in tendons, fragile lungs, etc. so every medical intervention enhances the body.

by shewless on Jan 25, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Instant replay and computers

I think it is high time to bring high tech to baseball, how many times has an umpire made a bad call on a pitch or a tag out.

by Irishman5574 on Jan 20, 2010 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

baseball was dying of boredom just before steroid era

A lot of the “change the game” discussion was going on just before the steroid era was ushered in. Baseball’s ratings had been declining, attendance was down, franchises were losing money. The strike had fans super pissed off. Baseball was in a bad funk and the steroid fueled home runs reversed the trend and brought baseball back. Without the steroid/home runs a lot of the proposed changes would have been considered more seriously. The game definetely needs tweaking. Baseball acknoledged this with the designated hitter years ago. Who wants to watch pitchers bat? The strategic/entertainment value of their bunts etc is almost zero. The tweak that baseball needs is to have four outs per half inning and shorten the innings to seven. The traditionalists/statisticians will resist because it changes the records etc. but they have realize the steroid era killed the tradition of comparing statistics. The statistics are meaningless now because of the steroid era and now hgh. Start a new era and rejuvenate baseball with longer half innings that will have more strategy, more varied defensive plays because there will be more runners advanced to second and third and fewer three up three down innings. The drama will be that much more intense and there will be less downtime watching teams run on/off the field.

by shewless on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

This article was entertaining

But the only change that really moves me at all is parity.

Without some legitimate form of revenue sharing, baseball will always be kind of a joke, and titles less meaningful.

by nivarsity on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

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