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by Andrew Sharp • Jan 9, 2010 12:13 PM EST
It's not necessarily that Peyton Manning wasn't the most valuable player, but that, well... Chris Johnson was more most valuable. And man, what a perfect response to the news that Peyton Manning won the 2009 MVP. On Twitter:
ChrisJohnson28: Do anybody got payton address I got to go get my award
Bonus points for misspelling Peyton's name.
And where cynics may point out that Johnson's Titans were 0-2 against the Colts, it's also worth noting that the Colts had a much better team. It all comes down to what the award means to you.
If you look at it as an award for the most valuable player on a great team... Then fine. It's either Peyton Manning or Phillip Rivers. But was anyone more valuable than Chris Johnson? Can you imagine the Titans without him? Would they have even won four games? Three?
And MVP or not, he's the most outstandingest outstanding player in the league.
UPDATE: It seems we've disturbed a hornets nest of grumpy Colts fans, who have stormed the comments to defend Peyton Manning's legacy. A legacy, mind you, that nobody ever questioned. In addition to calling this article "retarded," the Colts fans have called Chris Johnson a "loser" and me, "a joke." GO COLTS!
Chris Johnson had 2,500 total yards this year and was easily the most electrifying player in the NFL, but... PEYTON MANNING! Nobody else even deserves considerationnnnnn!
GRRRRRRR.... INDIANAPOLIS!
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Chris Johnson for MVP
Chris Johnson was without a doubt the player most responsible for the good fortunes of his team. Unfortunately the reward seems to be a popularity reward, (much like the Heisman Trophy is). If this award was actually awarded for what it is supposed to represent, then Chris Johnson would have won it.
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by Akita65 on Jan 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions
or your just as stupid and ignorant as andrew is here. i mean he gives props to spelling peyton wrong.
oh and he uses words like “outstaningness” which isn’t even a work. he is a joke
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
"outstaningness" isn’t even a work.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 9, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
yea sorry about the D but it changes nothing.
It still stands that “outstandingest” isn’t a word
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Neither is "outstaningness"
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by twoeightnine on Jan 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I know you guys are humourless but...
Sometimes words like that are tossed in for comedic effect.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
you Obviously no nothing about Colts fans if you think we are humorless haha
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen how you guys react to comedy and yeah, you guys can’t take a joke at all. I only needed to read Stampede Blue to know that.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Couldnt agree more
by tephlonboy on Jan 12, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Peytons already won this award 3 times and everyone knows he’s a great QB and all but enough already! MVP should’ve been given to CJ! The making the playoffs arguement everyone wants to make has zero to do with whether or not he performed up to an MVP standard.
by tephlonboy on Jan 12, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
This article is retarded. If Johnson were so “valuable” he’d have gotten the Titans to the playoffs.
Also, fun fact, in both of the Titans games against the Colts, CJ ran for over 100 yards once and did not score a single TD. If the Titans win either one of those games, they are in the playoffs. I noticed how that was absent from your little slap at us “cynics.”
Please, stop already, Andrew. Just stop already.
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by Brad Wells on Jan 9, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions
Just walk away Andrew... You can put a stop to all this. Just walk away and we will spare your lives. Just walk away...
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by Marked Hoosier on Jan 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it matter how Johnson did against the Colts?
You know Manning doesn’t play on the defense, yes?
by Ryan Hudson on Jan 9, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
true dat
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
you've got you're stats wrong,
he didnt run for over 100 in the first game, he took 9 carries for 34 yards.
so clearly if they had even tried to utilize him further, he most likely would’ve scored. to your other point, if they had one ANY of the other games they’d be in the playoffs and they sure as hell weren’t going to do it against a number one seed.
yes im a titans fan, yes im biased, and yes i believe that CJ was more valuable to the team than manning was to his.
nothing you say can convince me otherwise
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
i think you got what MVP is. What CJ earned was the right to be offensive player of the year.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
cj didn't fail to get them there
the defense failed to keep them in games
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I think not...
Johnson played the first 6 games of the Titans season as well as the last 10 and I believe they were 0-6 then. No? It wasn’t until the Titans decided to dump Moses at QB and go with Young, did they start winning.
An MVP leads his team to the post season….and guess where the Titans are? Looking forward to the draft and watching the playoffs from the comfort of their own homes. CJ will get Offensive Player of the Year…that’s all he deserves. Good try though Andrew!
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions
hey then i think since when young came in they started winning that he was more valuable no??
lol i think so.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
um. chris johnson doesnt play defense
just to let you guys know, that was the reason for the 0-6 start, not collins or johnson. sure, collins hit some rough patches and sometimes flat out stunk more often than not, but the defense as absolutely horrendous. it’s their fault. johnson can’t be expected to score 7 touchdowns a game to make up for the 35 point hole they were in.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
oh so that is why as soon as young came back you won, because he fixed the D
see how dumb that is
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
no.
cortland finnegan came back. that stabilized the secondary tremendously, which, in turn generated a better pass rush by not letting receivers get wide open down field every down.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
as well as Vincent Fuller
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 9, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
but i dont believe they came back right when Young started did they??
look i think he deserved votes i just dont think he was the most valuable to there team (yea vince may be a reach) but at no point was CJ able to carry his team in any way which is what really hurts him in this situation i think.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Check out the game logs. Both came back in Week 8, the same week that VY first started.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 10, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Where would the Titans be without him: Not in the playoffs.
Where would the Titans be with him: Not in the playoffs.
The value is overwhelming!!!
That’s why they made the Offensive Player of the Year award, buddy.
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by Colts Homer on Jan 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions
So Johnson wants an award that he didn't receive a single vote for?
Chris Johnson played all 16 games, and Tenn was 0-6 during the first six games. Vince Young comes back and the team is 8-2. I’m definitely not saying that Young should’ve been considered for MVP, but Titans played a cupcake schedule during its 8-2 with one of those losses coming from the Colts.
To me, MVP= playoff appearance. If you don’t get your team to the tournament , then you shouldn’t be MVP. Last year, Brees nearly broke Marino’s single passing record, yet his team finished 8-8, and he received Offensive Player of the Year Award; so, CJ, get ready for your OPOY and learn how to spell an all-time great’s name correctly.
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by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST reply actions
LOUD NOISES!
HOW DARE YOU MAKE A REASONED ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF SOMEONE OTHER THAN PEYTON! WE TAKE SPORTS VERY SERIOUSLY! RETARD!!!!
by Chris Mottram on Jan 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
first off why you yelling?? and second it wasn't a reasoned argument anyway and that is why we
are countering it.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
LMGTFY
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by Chris Mottram on Jan 9, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't reasoned at all
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by Colts Homer on Jan 9, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Some people do not get it
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jan 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
The writer even says it depends on what “your definition” of the MVP award is. He made an argument on why he thinks CJ deserves the award. I mean CJ did break Marshall Faulk’s yards from scrimmage record which is pretty ridiculous. Give me a break Colts fans. Peyton got the award so why do you care anyways?
by hoyaeagle on Jan 9, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I have cover!
Look, I own a Peyton Manning beanie bear (WHAT.), but Johnson getting NO votes is pretty weird. That said, if I’d known we could totally and irreparably alter Peyton’s legacy just by writing things on the internet, I’d have put him in a buddy cop movie with Jim Sorgi years ago.
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by Holly Anderson on Jan 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions
i agree it is wierd that he didn't get any votes
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's not weird
No one thought he was the MVP which makes sense. It’s not like anyone thinks that CJ is really the MVP besides himself. Writers don’t get multiple votes.
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by Colts Homer on Jan 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Really, not even one vote? I mean, really?
Let’s go to the DVAR:
Manning: 2nd in NFL among QBs (also 2nd in DVOA) … behind Tom Brady, of course.
Johnson: 1st in NFL among RBs (by, um, a whole lot).
Also, we’re aware that Johnson broke the record for most yards gained from the line of scrimmage, right? And he became just the sixth RB EVER to go over 2000 yards in a season. Everyone knows this, right?
Look it, the MVP is obviously a meaningless award — chances are you can’t remember who won the 1997 MVP, but you can remember who won the Super Bowl that year. But for Johnson not to get ONE VOTE is pretty absurd. Hopefully you guys can at least understand that.
by Ryan Hudson on Jan 9, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ummm
Brett Favre and Barry Sanders shared the award that year. MVP is not a meaningless award by a long shot. No player that has won the award who’s team did not make the playoffs. To be MVP you gotta lead your team to the post season, CJ did not. That is why, he is not deserving.
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Let me introduce you to Andre Dawson.
It’s Most Valuable Player not Most Valuable Player to a playoff team.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell
does baseball have to do with football?
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Or how about Alex Rodriguez.
It’s not that hard to grasp. Sometimes the most valuable player’s team doesn’t make the playoffs.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't baseball.
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by Cassieper on Jan 9, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Again
Why are you comparing football and baseball? Show me someone in the NFL (not MLB) that won MVP and didn’t make the playoffs. Then maybe I’ll take you a little more seriously, until then, your irrelevant
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
He owns irrelevant?
Looks like you’re irrelevant.
by Ryan Hudson on Jan 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Harf harf harf
you a funny one Ryan!
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
I’m not going to bother going through every NFL MVP vote but I am sure players out of the playoffs received votes before and Chris Johnson not getting any is pretty ridiculous.
That’s the point here. Not that CJ deserved it over Manning because clearly the Colts are nothing without him but that him not getting votes is pretty ridiculous.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
if that was the point of the article he failed as he never mentioned
anything about that. he did state basically that manning wasn’t the MVP but it was CJ which is false.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
fine
OJ simpson: 1973, buffalo bills
ALSO ran for 2000 yards. 2003 to be exact, and 12 TDS, the bills missed the playoffs with 9 wins. titans missed it with 8.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
I believe the proper term is “Boom. Roasted.”
Here’s a list of MVPs including Mr. Simpson
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
THat means O.J.‘s team was 9-5, and I’m pretty sure 6 teams didn’t go to the post season in ’73. That means OJ got 2000+ in 14 games…
On the other hand, It took CJ 16 games (and getting force fed the ball the last couple of them) to do something similar. Also, 9-5 isn’t even in the same universe as 8-8.
So no, OJ in 1973 doesn’t really equate to CJ in 2009, does it?
Could he have recieved a few votes for MVP? Sure! Should he have won it over Manning, Brees, Farve, or even Rivers? No.
If I had a vote for Outstanding Offensive Player I’d absolutely give it to CJ.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 10, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Boom. Roasted.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 11, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Cal Ripken.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
dont forget we are talking about football
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
We’re talking about MVP voting.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
MVP Voting
for the NFL…not MLB. Get a clue. There are baseball blogs here too. Just go click on MLB at the top of the page and you will be redirected. Thanks for playing!
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Humourless and unable to comprehend the use of parallels.
Just pointing out that both awards are for the player adjudged to be most valuable to their team and that in one sport players have won MVPs without making the playoffs so it’s not that insane that CJ at least get some votes.
But God forbid someone say anything less than complementary about St. Peyton
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, have you ever
visited Stampede Blue’s open threads before? It’s basically a thread of running gags, jokes, and sarcasm. The people of that site are not humorless at all.
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by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Within the community I am sure you guys are a barrel of laughs but this is about the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen guys venture out and take minimal things in a ridiculously over the top serious way.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
um
cal ripken, jr. and andre ‘hawk’ dawson both played defense, as well as offense. this was something that was mentioned above.
by Heeringa on Jan 11, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ok...
you guys have got your sports mixed up…this is Football, not Baseball. 2 totally different, unrelated sports.
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
now im confused.
does MVP stand for something else in the MLB?
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
See above
O.J. Simpson…
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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
OJ Simpson would like a word with you
he won MVP w/o making the playoffs and all he did was, what do ya know, rush for 2000 yards.
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by TitanFan2K on Jan 9, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
...
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by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
burn!!
or talk to Andre Dawson or Alex Rodriguez, last place teams but got MVP.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jan 9, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
oj simpson.
1973. look it up.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
So he’s not even the most valuable QB? Nice.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
how you figure that? oh by one state oh please lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Indianapolis gave up the 8th fewest points in the NFL. Tennessee gave up the 5th most.
To take shots at C. Johnson for “not leading his team to the playoffs” is rather hilarious, and I find the number of people that don’t see the flawed logic here a bit unsettling. But then again, people thought “wins” were a good way to value pitchers for, oh, seventy years.
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions
well if you dont see the flawed logic and the "low level" (in grade level) of this article
then that is a bit unsettling. i mean he is making up words even lol. the point is that he didn’t help his team win games. It took Vince Young coming back for them to win any games.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, his "level" is pretty "low"
I’d say “4th grade” or so?
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
NFL MVP = playoffs
and in order to make that playoffs, a team has to win games and the Titans only won 8 games this past season . If wins aren’t important, then ex-Detriot Lions coach Rod Marinelli should’ve been considered for Coach of the Year after the Lions went 0-16 in the 2008 regular season?
CJ put up great numbers for his individual accomplishments and will receive the Offensive Player of the Year award, but how can someone be considered the Most Valuable Player if his team doesn’t even make it to the playoffs?
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by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh
Wait did you read my post? At all? No?
That’s cool… I guess.
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I read your post
but I focused on this:
You seemed to undervalue “wins” when as a factor for deciding the NFL MVP, imo. That’s where the Marinelli comment came from.
You also mentioned the Colts’ defense being in the top ten in scoring, but if you had looked up its points allowed in the 2003 and 2004 (Peyton’s frist two MVP years) and his defense was below average ranking 20th and 19th, respectively. You want to know the difference? The Colts’ offense was 2nd and 1st, respectively, in those seasons. So Peyton had an below-average defense, yet was still able to point points on the board to help his team reach the playoffs. The Titans’ offense was ranked 16th (average), and the last time I checked, Johnson plays on offense. Both Peterson(18) and Jones-Drew(15) had more rushing TDs than Johnson and Peterson led the league in total TDs.
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by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind that the 03-04 Colts had one of the best backs of the early 2000’s in James, one of the best receivers ever in Harrison to go with Wayne, as well as one of the best slot receivers in Stokley in ’04, and a kicker who went 37 for 37 in ’03.
Not only did ‘09 Tennessee have a strange QB situation, their leading WR in receptions got just 700 yards (55th in the league), and in receptions, just 47 (good for 74th), AND the defense was 3 to 4 points worse than either of those Colts’. This is to make no mention of TEN’s O-Line, who other than D. Stewart, Pro Football Focus’ numbers absolutely trashed this year.
Attributing an entire offense’s success to an individual is less of a gross generalization than crediting an entire team’s success, but at the end of the day, it’s still that: a generalization.
I’d still say Manning > Johnson, but that doesn’t make holding the efforts of a 52 man roster (or an entire offense) against a single player any less inane.
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I absolutely love the implication that
Considering voting for Chris Johnson = Naming Marinelli Coach of the Year for going 0-16.
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
OH and Andrew so you know
Big plays dont win you the MVP. and the article is a joke because your a suppose to be a writer for SBnation. I would at least expect you to use real words and not make up words and sentences that make no sense. also your logic is very flawed in this article.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions
actually
if you make enough of them to set a new record for the stat upon which they are based (yards obviously), you CAN win an MVP!
there are only two members of the 2000 yards rushing club without an MVP Dickerson and CJ.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
but that alone will not win you MVP!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not a Colts fan here...
Chris Johnson barely belongs in the conversation for MVP. Manning was a pretty clear choice.
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Do anybody got English lessons? I is talking not good and I need to right articul 4 teh interwebz.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 9, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
good sir!
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by coltsfan723 on Jan 9, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Way to not address the arguments,
Andrew Sharp. Instead, you opt for a sarcastic imitation of Colts fans and characterize any argument for Peyton as homerism. Interesting.
I would think that a much better approach would be to address the specific arguments brought up by Colts fans in this thread to prove your point instead of just dismissing them all.
I expected better out of an SBNation writer.
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by Cassieper on Jan 9, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions
What a complete more on, seriously and literally a more on – OHHHHHHHH its MORON …
They force fed the moron 36x against a very weak Seattle team just to get him over 2000. If the Titans had been the team they were last year, Johnson wouldn’t have gotten much more than 1200.
Thats what he got last year (1228) and they went 13-3 – hes not even the most valuable player on his own team let alone the league!
The writer here isn’t any better than that another moron Skip Clueless – writing garbage just to incite a reaction. If they didnt do that they would never get any attention at all! Poor poor souls!
by hawkeyes-colts on Jan 9, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
I personally do think that most valuable player
does mean that the player needs to be from a winning team. Most outstanding offensive player is definitely Chris Johnson in my opinion simply because I think the stats back it up. But value to me means putting a good team over the top. Not taking a mediocre or even bad team and helping it reach .500.
In baseball it should always come from a team that is either in the playoffs or is in the playoff hunt for the majority of the season (meaning down to the last week or so). Then again, MVP really is open to interpretation, so I can see why Andrew would feel this way. I mean if value is a direct correlation to winning on the field and CJ helped the Titans win four games that they might not have and the Colts would’ve probably still won a bunch of games because of their outstanding defense.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 9, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions
problem is CJ didn't help the titans win any more games. He wasn't even the MVP on his team,
i mean Young did more for his team than CJ.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
You really believe that? Seriously?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 9, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Vince and CJ helped each other,
but CJ is CLEARLY the better player. CJ was a good player without VY, but VY is not a good player without CJ. CJ is the MVP, by far. OK, enough acronyms.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 9, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes CJ is better than VY however without VY you were not winning games.
when you had VY you were and a lot of that was because of CJ. But if he is so valuable to your team why could you not win before?? He didn’t help you win did he cause you didn’t win. you can not honestly think that CJ was more valuable to his team than Manning. plus try being 4th in the MVP voting before 1st. Yes i do think he should have got votes but he didn’t so stop blaming us or taking it out on us and exept it. He will still win offensive player of the year.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
offensive player of the year is more of a personal acheivment where as
MVP has a lot to do with the team, that is the diffrence. MVP has to do with how you change your team where the other award has to do with what you do.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
What I want to know is
when we’re going to see an offensive lineman win the award? Has there ever been a more important position in a sport that was undervalued more?
Someone get Michael Lewis on the phone.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 9, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions
THIS GONE HAM
Let’s just agree that we’re happy Brett Favre didn’t win, yes?
OK, now everyone return to your Saturdays, please.
by Ryan Hudson on Jan 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Or are you secretly making a case for Jeff Saturday?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Talk about pandering.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Saturday couldn't have done all that much
Since Peyton Manning was the one that led the Colts to the playoffs.
by Rohan Cruyff on Jan 9, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot when they wrote into the rulebook
that the MVP had to be in the playoffs.
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by TitanFan2K on Jan 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions
You didn't get that memo?
I was sure I sent that to you…
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by peytonsurdaddy on Jan 9, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I got that one.
Maybe it’s in his spam folder.
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by Cassieper on Jan 9, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously Andrew
On a day where many of us Colts fans are celebrating Peyton Manning making NFL history by winning his 4th MVP award, we turn to SBNation.com and see your post saying Chris Johnson should win the award because… um, well, because he ran for a lot of yards. The article is kind of a slap in the face for Colts fans.
Either you wrote this piece looking for this kind of response (which makes you kind of a hack), or you are just that dumb not to expect a negative reaction from fans when you claim their favorite player did not deserve the award he got and then give illogical, boneheaded reasons why he shouldn’t.
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by Brad Wells on Jan 9, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions
Classy
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 9, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
big blueshoe suck it !
i agree wit andrew .. petyon winnning the award just shows its a popularity vote.. CJ should of won the award.. o well go celebrate wit forehead !
by TattedTI on Jan 9, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
You should suck it. Read what you said it makes no sense and is unlogical.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
cry me a river .. unlogical is manning winning an award
theangelscolt get off ur knees man and bobing for apples dosnt make bigblue like u any more ! in fact it might so keep bobbing !
by TattedTI on Jan 11, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
oh no, someone disagreed with something you think
are you gonna find the 10 voters that didn’t vote for payton and send them stern letters? that’ll teach em to have an opinion.
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by TitanFan2K on Jan 9, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
someone disagreed with what the NFL voters and most fans thought
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
so he is in the minority
it isn’t like the vote was unanimous. there were 10 people who didn’t give it to payton. its not absurd to make the argument the writer was making. if you all would take off your payton semen-colored glasses for a second you might be able to see that.
now look, I woulda voted for payton if I had a vote but I think its hilarious that the colts nation’s collective head is about to explode because someone didn’t wanna suck payton’s dick. you all got so butt-hurt by one blogger’s post that all y’all did was insult CJ for misspelling a name and belittle the writer’s abilities and talk shit because he made up a word for comic relief (a comic relief that seemed fly over every colts fan’s head since it wasn’t complimentory towards payton). so please, calm your asses. CJ’s tweet and this article did not change the vote. roger goodell is not gonna hold a re-vote tomorrow after seeing all of this. payton still gets his award. another regular season award to help soften the blow of another postseason failure. angelscolts is right; 09 is the colts year, which is fitting seeing how the Super Bowl is being played in 2010.
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by TitanFan2K on Jan 9, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
yea it is played in 2010 but it is the 09 season.
and i dont nor do others have a problem with someone disagreeing. i got a problem with how poorly the article is written. Also we are not the only ones making claims that may or may not be true. either way this is done and im done discussing it.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 9, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
carry on
forget about it ! you guys are one and done ! see you guys next year
by TattedTI on Jan 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
What I don't understand
is how you can be so unhappy with with CJ for disagreeing with something, when EVERY SINGLE THING YOU POST IS A COMPLAINT!
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 9, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
ran for alot of yards???????
give me a break. it was more than “alot” it was 5th most all time and the most yards from scrimmage ever. EVER. at least give the NFL’s best back some props ok? get over yourselves and learn some respect for those who clearly deserve it.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I am amazed. Are all Colts fans this stuck up and unhappy? How are you all offended that not everyone is 100% convinced Peyton deserved the award? Seriously?
As for his use of the word outstandingest. I am offended that a writer would try to inject a short article with humor or sarcasm. I know the internet is new in INDY (exciting stuff if I don’t say so myself), but is tongue in cheek humor? Look out, coming soon: comic relief.
Peyton conrgats on an award. Its too bad your fanbase doesn’t enjoy your quirky humor. Don’t worry, its not your fault, the rest of the world enjoys your commercials and appearances. Hey, they might not understand your jokes, but this thread serves as evidence that they will kill for you at the drop of a hat.
As for those questioning Andrew’s writing ability. Get a clue and read something more than two paragraphs long. He regularly writes informative ,funny, thought provoking and intelligent articles. Look at these for example: Sports and Mental Illness, The Mike Leach saga, UNC at UK basketball game, and his weekly NBA synopsis. I know broadening your horizons is a stretch (PEYYYYYYYTON) but try it out sometime. Or don’t and look like idiots.
by jpmchugh77 on Jan 9, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
who's awesome? YOU'RE awesome.
YOU sir just made my day
i have alot of respect for peyton, in fact, he’s one of my favorite players. (he’s always a vol first, colt second) he deserved it.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton (correctly spelled) MVP
CJ is a typical clueless, self-centered moron who is representative of most egocentric professional athlete…
hey CJ, go back to school and learn how to spell yeah?
You will never be great…you had a really good season, but you will never be one of the great running backs because you have no class…or tact…you are a dumb jock with no other positive attributes…get over yourself…
by one.calorie on Jan 10, 2010 12:47 AM EST reply actions
IT'S A JOKE GUYS!!
Get over it. This is a worse reaction by Colts fans than the reaction from Titans fans after Fisher wore Manning’s jersey. And that’s saying something. Get over it.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 10, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Um, No it's not.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 10, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
It's not a joke?
You expect CJ to really go to Peyton and get the trophy? You guys keep amazing me.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jan 10, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
but if he did wanna steal the trophy there wouldn’t be anyone that could catch him
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by TitanFan2K on Jan 10, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
No the reaction isn't nearly as as bad as the Fisher reaction. I read those posts.
As to CJ’s joke. Is it a joke? He hasn’t said that it was, you have. He said the same thing about OROY last year, so there’s a pattern. Also, if it had been a close vote between them, I would have assumed that this tweet was a joke, but the vote wasn’t. Peyton got 79% of the votes in a year when the mass media pushed everyone but him. No one with loyalties to Indy even gets a vote. CJ didn’t get a single vote.
by vintagephoenix on Jan 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Other than the best RB in the nation is...
Jones-Drew. Sorry, but he really is. I’d take MJD before AP or Johnson any day.
by Sir Sci on Jan 11, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions
wow! u must not watch very much football if you think MJD is better that CJ.
by tephlonboy on Jan 13, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I was under the impression that
one of the AP MVP voters is a Nashville (or in that locale) writer. Perhaps Titans fans should ask him why he didn’t vote for CJ. There are no MVP voters from Indianapolis (or in that locale).
Were I a voter, CJ would be my OPOY without question. The question is, why is that not enough if there were other players in the league more important to the success of their team?
by linkish on Jan 11, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions
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