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by Chris Littmann • Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST
With the Scouting Combine in the rearview mirror, it's about the right time for Wonderlic scores to start leaking. These are always a big source of controversy and of course one last chance for fans at schools to mock the opposition for being a little slow. This year's first batch of leaked results doesn't provide us anything particularly earth shattering, but here they are via Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post:
Gators QB Tim Tebow scored a 22 on his Wonderlic, Jimmy Clausen 23, Colt McCoy 25 and Sam Bradford 36 out of 50, per NFL source.
I'm sure the immediate reaction goes something like this: "OMG! Tim Tebow is stupid!" Yes, if those scores are correct, he has the lowest of the "name-brand" QBs in this year's draft. Those numbers don't even really touch some of the greats in history.
Terry Bradshaw scored 15. Steve McNair and Randall Cunningham also received that score. Donovan McNabb was even worse, scoring a 14. Who has scored a 22 in the past? Tim Couch, Trent Dilfer ... and Brett Favre. If we needed any more proof that Tebow is the new Favre, this seals it right? (OK, probably not.)
On the other side of the coin, Drew Henson scored a 42, Kellen Clemens a 35, and Patrick Ramsey and Joey Harrington both scored 32. The point is that unless Tebow had set some new low watermark for the test, there isn't a lot worth freaking out about. Still, I suspect the results for this thing will be spun a million ways in the coming weeks.
(Past scores via Bearsnecessity.com)
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Oh my goodness……..Sam Bradford is a genius!
by derek emanuel on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions
Sam Bradford cured cancer by creating a concoction collected from Chuck Norris squeezings.
by slasher52 on Mar 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions
If Tebow really scored a 22, that is a bit disappointing. I have taken the test before, and it is not very hard. Anyone scoring less than a 30 is an embarrassment to their university and its education system.
by LSUSMCR on Mar 10, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions
Never went to college, work at Home Depot. Saw a sample of the test, took it, scored a 35…….still working at Home Depot
by cedar creek boys on Mar 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions
with scores like that bradshaw and mcnabb shouldn’t have the intellect to obtain a driver’s license
by scurds on Mar 10, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
That’s what chauffeurs are for
by Tileking59 on Mar 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
I think these scores are interesting. Like LSUSMCR, I have seen sample tests and taken it. I used it as a practice tool for the quiz bowl team I coached. I agree with LSUUSMCR. Anything under 30 is an embarrassment. I would be disappointed with a score less than 40. One of my team members scored 48 out of 50. In defense of the prospects taking it, they are under a different kind of pressure. If I take it and score 22, I don’t tell a soul. If Tebow scores a 22, the whole nation (well, the part made up of football fans) is discussing it. Now, that said, Tebow and the other guys have probably take 20 practice tests and discussed strategy for scoring the best possible score. They should be ready for it. I would love to see a list of all starting quarterbacks and their scores. That would be instructive. I have a feeling that these scores (except for Bradford’s) are a little disappointing to anyone looking at the players. After all, play at the position of quarterback in the NFL always starts with a decision made under pressure.
by Sexy Pete on Mar 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions
The scores of this test have long been a source of much discussion and in many cases controversy. I personally think the test in regards to football is a joke. It’s in no way indicative of how a player is going to play a position on the field.
As Littmann referenced, two of the better quarterbacks to ever play the position in Bradshaw and Favre didn’t score high on this test. How many Superbowls did Bradshaw win? How many times, year after year, has Favre continued to wow us with his play? This test has nothing to do with their on-field achievements.
by GatorRush on Mar 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
too busy learning how to throw to study…..
by 40a-train on Mar 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions
geez, i just googled it and stand here dejected and humbled. the first question:
1. A physical education class has three times as many girls as boys.
During a class basketball game, the girls average 18 points each, and
the class as a whole averages 17 points per person. How many points
does each boy score on average?
which i cant hope to answer was followed by:
2. Randolph has 8 ties, 6 pairs of pants, and 4 dress shirts. How many
days could he possibly go without wearing the same combination of these
three items?
and this was there too:
7. Arnold is about to go on a 500-mile car trip. His mechanic
recommends that he buy a special highway engine oil that will save him
50 cents in gas for every 25 miles of the trip. This new oil, however,
will cost $20. Is it worthwhile for Arnold to buy the oil if he has a
coupon for $4 dollars off the price?
these two i can work out after penciling for awhile but not the abc 123 i was expecting.
by scurds on Mar 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
Check that site out for anyone claiming under 30 is an "embarresment." They are talking out of their butts!
by AW78 on Mar 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions
I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE ? IN POST 10. LSUSMCR, CEDADR CREEK.
by rober21 on Mar 10, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions
I have done more than take a practice test, I have taken the actual test. When I retired from the Marines, my future employer had me take that along with a drug test. At the time I took the test, I was 20 years removed from college, and still did well. The NFL prospects taking the test now are still in school, and they should do better than I did, or at least close. I did not score a 48 like one of Pete’s students did, but I broke 40, and am convinced that if I would have known I was taking the test and had time to prepare, could have done better. Bradshaw scored a 15, and even back in his day, could not qualify to get into LSU, which is why he ended up at LaTech.
by LSUSMCR on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions
1. It’s 14.2. 192 days3. 7. No, it is not worth it.
by Sexy Pete on Mar 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions
Nice work Pete. Just to add to the third question, it costs $6 more to buy the special oil as he will be paying $16 to save $10.
by LSUSMCR on Mar 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions
pete has google too it seems.
by scurds on Mar 10, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions
I do have google, but those questions are not that hard. The thing that makes it tough on the Wonderlic is the time limit. You have to think fast. But just like the ACT, SAT, or GRE, there are strategies that make it easier. I have spent part of my career working with this sort of test, so I don’t find it to be all that tough.And that kid on my quiz bowl team still did better than me. Of course, he is now on a full ride at one of the best schools in the country, so it is not stunning that he did as well as he did. He also scored a 35 on the ACT.Listen, I never had near the athletic ability of Tim Tebow. I was a decent high school football and hockey player. I was a pretty good high school golfer. But I was nothing close to what any of these young man are today. Why is it a surprise that I might be stronger in some other area? I was a very good student. What it all means for Tim Tebow’s success in the NFL, I don’t know. What I do know for sure it this. No matter how I score on tests, I cannot run, throw, or take hits like any of these guys. They are remarkable athletes.
by Sexy Pete on Mar 10, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions
Ryan Fitzpatrick supposedly finised the test in nine minutes, left one blank and still got a 48…the guys a flipping genius, that doesnt mean hes a good quarterback…by the way the only perfect score on the test….Pat McInally
by RD_34 on Mar 10, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions
In all fairness, the questions stated by posters on this forum are primarily algebra/math related. Some intelligent people are not that strong in math, just as some math majors are not strong in English or science. I think I’d rather have a QB who has good field presence & instincts, as well as strong physical tools over someone whose primary strength is solving algebraic equations.
by miatamich on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions
OK, LSUSMCR you said how you did on the Wonderlic, you failed that drug test, didn’t you buddy? :-)
Just kiddin’ of course.
Never taken the Wonder thing. I Wonder if I would do that well. I somewhat intelligent, but those types of questions aren’t my forte.
When my son was tested for the talented and gifted program they explained to us that these unique intellects didn’t think like most people do.
They test different.
by Craterlake on Mar 10, 2010 10:53 PM EST reply actions
Here you go, pete.
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2010/03/10/tebow-scores-a-22-on-the-wonderlic-below-average-for-an-nfl-starting-qb/
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
20. Kyle Orton 26
23. Ben Roethlisberger 25
24. Jason Campbell 23
25. Brett Favre 22
25. Tim Tebow 22
25. Chad Henne 22
28. Bruce Gradkowski 19
29. Vince Young 15
30. Donovan McNabb 14
30. David Garrard 14
Unknown
Matt Cassel
Matt Moore
Other Wonderlic scores of note:
Brian Griese 39
Drew Bledsoe 36
Steve Young 33
John Elway 29
Ryan Leaf 27
Chad Pennington 25
JaMarcus Russell 24
Mark Brunell 22
Trent Dilfer 22
Michael Vick 20
Daunte Culpepper 18
Dan Marino 15
Randall Cunningham 15
Jim Kelly 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Chris Leak 8
I want an intelligent QB as much as the next guy, but I don’t have to be a genius to see that the correlation between the Wonderlic and success in the NFL is, at best, tentative. Marino, Cunningham, Kelly and Bradshaw attest to that. Well, maybe not Bradsahw so much…
by guardian of the galaxy on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions
Awesome list, Guardian!This puts it in perspective.
by Sexy Pete on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions
This just in.. Tebow took the test with one eye tied behind his back. There are too many variables in any test to put too much credibility in them by themselves.
by snowhill on Mar 11, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions
your welcome guys.
by scurds on Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions
I knew Tebow wasn’t very smart when I hear he was passing up on all that quality U of Florida tail thrown at him constantly. After seeing pics of his girlfriend, he definitely has will power to spare if the reports were true on him being a virgin.
by daymonz on Mar 11, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Let’s face it. When your slot receiver is covered and your RB is having to block a safety blitz, you need a QB who can quickly and efficiently solve a quadratic equation.
by spaceman spif on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
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