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Aftermath, Atlanta: NASCAR Should Not – And Cannot – Punish Carl Edwards

It wouldn't have been surprising to wake up this morning and read that an angry mob with pitchforks and torches showed up outside Carl Edwards' house in Missouri last night.

The outrage from NASCAR fans was that obvious and tangible after Edwards intentionally wrecked Brad Keselowski in a revenge move on Sunday at Atlanta, sending Keselowski airborne in a crash that could have killed the driver, fans or both.

It drew an immediate and emotional reaction from many people.

Carl is INSANE! That was ATTEMPTED MURDER! Suspend him for a week. Hell, FOREVER!

Now, the onus falls on NASCAR to make a decision. Should officials suspend Edwards? Take away points? Fine him?

Here's my opinion: NASCAR should not – and cannot – punish Edwards further.

Edwards was parked for the rest of Sunday's race after the incident, which was both appropriate and necessary. Any time a driver uses his car to intentionally wreck another competitor, it deserves a penalty.

But no further action should be taken. Why? Because though the wreck looked spectacular and horrifying and was certainly dangerous, Edwards' intention was not to send the car flying.

Edwards simply wanted to pull a Denny Hamlin. Remember Hamlin?

At Homestead last year, Hamlin not only vowed revenge on Keselowski for earlier incidents, but carried it out. He wrecked him during the race, and was roundly applauded for it.

The Hamlin/Keselowski incident, fans said and media wrote, was exactly what the sport needed. More rivalries. More action. More drama.

People said NASCAR needed to loosen the reins and let the drivers drive and let the garage police itself.

NASCAR listened, and agreed. Have at it, boys.

Remember?

Edwards felt the need for payback on Sunday. Whether that was valid logic or not, I'm not sure – but it's also beside the point. In Edwards' mind, he needed to even the score, and that's what NASCAR and everyone else has been asking the drivers to do.

So when Edwards saw an opportunity to spin Keselowski and ruin his day, he pulled up alongside the No. 12 car's rear bumper, turned his steering wheel to the right and – oops – suddenly the car was in the air, upside down, crashing on its roof.

Scary. Terrifying. Stomach-churning.

The wreck was absolutely intentional, but the consequences were not. Drivers don't expect these cars to flip – particularly at an intermediate track – but for some reason (The wing? The design of the COT in general?) they get upside-down more than they should.

Again, that wasn't Edwards' intent. He was trying to be Denny, Part II. If it had worked, fans in the stands and at home likely would have cheered.

Right on, Carl! Way to pay Brad back for the times he's wrecked you! He had it coming!

Instead, it's the opposite.

Shame on you, Carl! You're a monster! You don't belong on the track!

NASCAR's Robin Pemberton indicated yesterday that officials won't let the severity of the wreck impact their decision – they'll look at how it started. And really, that's the best way the sanctioning body can rule.

Plus, NASCAR's hands are tied. Officials would look like total hypocrites if, after pleading with the drivers to be more aggressive and show more personality and police themselves, NASCAR fines and suspends the first driver who tries to take matters into his own hands.

Look, would Edwards have been smarter to wait until Bristol if he wanted payback? Of course. Would it have been better if the drivers fought in the garage after the race instead of using cars traveling at 195 mph? Yes.

Would I feel the same way about Edwards' actions if it resulted in a serious injury or death? I've asked myself that question several times, but honestly, I'd have to say yes.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt. I don't want to see cars get airborne. And I'd much prefer to see drivers go at it off the track than on it.

But retaliation has always been a part of racing. Edwards retaliated and was punished for it, and officials met with him afterward to explain why he needed to be more careful next time.

And really, that's all that can and should be done.

No suspension. No points. No fines. No probation. Nothing.

This is racing, and no one ever said it wasn't dangerous. Have at it, boys.

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parking carl was no punishment...

He was running 39th place, a million laps behind. He was parked, but was not punished.

So a punishment is definitely deserved.

by danielao on Mar 8, 2010 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Good point. What good did parking Carl really do? Big deal, he was 100+ laps down, 39th and there were a handful of laps left. There was really no loss for Carl, which I guess proved to be a good opportunity for payback. It didn’t hurt Carl.

by jr88freak on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

parking Carl was no punishment he was already over 120+ laps down, parking him was useless he had nothing to lose.

by Helena S. Holcomb on Mar 8, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Punished?

he was punished when Special K put him in the wall

by hawkeye56 on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly…ruin my day-I’ll ruin yours too.

by JennyWyatt on Mar 8, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Carl “Donkey” Edwards said the earlier crash was his fault

by Vikinghater on Mar 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It was his fault, Brad had no where that he could’ve gone when Carl came down on him, i listened to the radio chatter on nascar.com. Carl’s spotter told him the Brad was there and he still came down. Just parking him isn’t good enough, they should definately suspend him

by bo4rd3r on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Nascar wanted to them to poilce themselves & Carl did that!

I’ll say it!

Right on, Carl! Way to pay Brad back for the times he’s wrecked you! He had it coming!

Look how many people have it out for Brad. Is Brad really so dense he doesn’t realize he is going to have people wreck him when he wrecks so many others???

Carl didnt mean for the car to go airborne, but SERIOUSLY… asking for Carl to be suspended when Nascars done NOTHING to penalize Brad after all the wrecks he’s caused is ridiculous. If Nascar had done something about Brad LAST YEAR when everyone could see a line forming against Brad, then Carl wouldn’t need to police himself.

If Nascar wants to let drivers like Brad out there wreck people every single week more than once, then this is what is going to happen.

by karen s on Mar 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

From my perspective, Carl is the cause of the wreck at Taladega as well as the first wreck at Atlanta so I’m not really sure what he expected from BK. In fact, if you think about it, Carl is the cause of a lot of wrecks in both Cup and NW. BK should let it pass by no matter what NASCAR does and then lay the bumper to him at the first opportunity. Carl has a hell of a lot more to lose this season than BK.

by sales inferno on Mar 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you! I couldn’t agree with you more! WELL SAID!

by AmandaLouWho on Mar 8, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, Jeff. Can’t realistically punish him further than parking him. The only reason this is news is because Krashalowski got airborne. He said he got lucky when he walked away. He’s also been lucky that all the other times he’s destroyed other teams’ equipment that THOSE drivers haven’t ended up airborne.

by chouh2 on Mar 8, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Do not crucify Carl

I so very agree with what you said. Carl did not set out to hurt Brian but to knock his butt of this high horse and bring him into reality. How many times have we seen Brian do exactly what he did to Carl yesterday both in Sprint Cup & Nationwide? I think Brian needs to be the one who is taken out if Nascar until he grows up and learns how to interact with others properly! In only my opinion Brian constantly ruins races not for the drivers he wrecks but for the fans who love the sport. Carl was trying to do everyone a favor sadly it just went horribly wrong…

by tms6477 on Mar 8, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Brad had it coming

Brad is a cocky kid who has no respect for other drivers so why should they have any respect for him. Brad will continue to have issues on the track as long as he continues to act the way he does. Maybe he’ll figure it out maybe he won’t. I vote for he won’t.

by Becki1218 on Mar 8, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I disagree theres a line and Edwards crossed it. Edwards knew the car was going to go flying he was trying to do worse then what Hamlin has done. He also admitted it was intentional. The man has some serious anger management issues he needs help. Nascar should send a message with this one he’s pulled alot of stupid moves like in the nationwide race at Daytona with Dale Jr. I even said after Daytona to my family that someone is going to get killed because of the stupid moves he pulls. I seriously hope that doesn’t happen it came close yesterday. In my opinion if nascar allows drivers to continue to use there cars like weapons like that and someone get’s killed there wont be no more nascar. I’m sure “nascars have at it boys” didnt include trying to kill each other on the track.

by Lyn Gra on Mar 8, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

You honestly think that Carl’s intention was to flip Brad’s car? Come on!! There is no way he would have know the car was going to get flip.

by JennyWyatt on Mar 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

old race fan

THIS IS CALLED RACING ,IF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER SIT BACK AND WATCH YOU WILL SEE WHY NASCAR IS SO POPULAR AND WHY IT GREW TO WHERE IT IS TODAY, IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT ,STAY WITH WATCHING THE CARS ON THE INTERSTATE.

by Bob Holsapple on Mar 8, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

“Kill each other” Really? You’re being a bit over dramatic…

He meant to wreck him. Had Brad just gone spinning we wouldn’t even be talking about it.

by Whip on Mar 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Penalty fit the crime

NASCAR penalized Edwards plenty. They can’t penalize him based on how the wreck looked. It’s not figure skating. Edwards is already more penalized then the other two recent paybacks (5 laps)

Hamlin (Homestead Nationwide = 1 lap)
Monotya (Homestead Cup = 2 laps)

Edwards was penalized 5 laps. I would bet Joey Logano was probably going even faster when Keselowski wrecked him at the end of California in front of a pack of cars. The Edwards retaliation was a track isolated incident. No other drivers were around.

I don’t know how being 1, 2, or even 150 laps down should make a difference in how drivers choose to self police the sport. Should it only happen when everything is peachy and there having a good day?

by Speed39 on Mar 8, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

You're Wrong, Jeff

Your analysis overlooks the fact that this was not a heat of the moment response from Edwards. He had been off the track for over an hour, and had a chance to reflect on the situation, yet he still went back out to play headhunter. That’s not racing, Jeff. That’s borderline criminal conduct. If NASCAR follows your thinking and gives Edwards a slap on the wrist, they are condoning such conduct in the future.

No, Jeff, I don’t think you’re seeing this clearly. The premeditation inherent to Edwards actions makes this a serious incident, meriting a significant punishment.

by Ron Frankl on Mar 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Double standard?

Hamlin got 1 lap after he said he intended to take care of it on the track with Brad. Hamlin had way more time to think about it than Carl. Hamlin went out and wrecked Brad just like he said he was going to. It don’t get any more intentional and premeditated than that.

Yes, Jeff, you are seeing this very clearly. Nice Job.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Juan Pablo at Homestead ring any bells?

Drivers come out with payback on their minds ALL THE TIME.

Carl did not mean for the car to go airborne. That’s on the wing. However Carl was right to make Brad wise up. He needed to be on the other end of the receiving line, if he wants to be a cocky agressive one man driver running over people and not giving them anything then no driver will give him anything back.

by karen s on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Very good point

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Most retaliation incidents involve premeditation. The drivers will wait for an entire race, sometime even into another race, looking for opportunities for payback. This was not different than any other driver doing it. NASCAR can’t honestly tell drivers to “have at it” and then punish the first driver who does.

If they had already switched to the spoiler we wouldn’t even be discussing this. It would have been a simple spin, as Carl intended, and no one would care. I completely agree with Jeff and think it’s a great article.

by JMatt99 on Mar 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Criminal Conduct?

Seriously? How bout the countless wrecks BK caused last season? I guess if we say he had a day/week/month to plan out his on track wrecks (too many to count) that he should be tried with “attempted murder”. Because of BK’s aggressive driving style as the media and Nascar called it at Dega last year, a girl had a BROKEN JAW. Brad Krashlowski couldn’t and still can’t manage to finish a race without wrecking.

He and you need to think before you say such strong words like “kill and criminal”

JMO

My name is Lydia, I approve this message and any feathers it may ruffle.

by LStiff on Mar 8, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m tired of hearing about the damn wings of these cars. It wouldn’t have been a factor if this “incident” hadn’t happened. I just had to get that off my chest.

I’m glad Carl was parked. He deserved it! As for the lap 40 incident I’m tired of hearing people talk about how BK “clipped” Carl. Really?! It looked to me like BK was holding his line and Carl couldn’t hold his and came down on BK. But who am I to say. Carl should have gone back and reviewed that a little more closely! Give me a break.

With the 90 minutes he had to stew over the whole situation Carl should have taken the time to realize that this time HE was problem this time. I think what Carl did was childish and uncalled for! It was obvious seeing as how he tried to wreck BK the lap before, but didn’t suceed.

Should Carl be suspend? Part of me is saying let it go lets move on and another part of me is saying HELL YA! But I don’t think that it was Carl’s intention to send BK flying through the air, he just wanted to tap and spin. But come on you’re 150+ laps down give it a rest instead of making an ASS of yourself. As if the wreck wasn’t bad enough his comments following him being parked floored me. Be a man and own up to what you did. Be a man and handle the situation like a mature adult. I liked Carl Edwards but lost a lot of respect after yesterday. There’s a right and wrong way to handle a situation. He needs to cool his hot head!

Back to the topic at hand, NASCAR probably won’t take any further action. Enough said I suppose. Suspending him for a race won’t work, sponsorship issues and being suspended for a race wil kill pretty much any chance of making the chase. NASCAR won’t do that. It is what it is. VERY uncalled for!

Great article as usual Jeff! Always great to hear your take!

by AmandaLouWho on Mar 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

I'm in complete agreement with Jeff on this one...

I would love to see side by side footage of the Denny/Brad and Carl/Brad wrecks. Is it worse beause Brad went upside down? Didn’t he initiate a wreck in Daytona that resulted in Jr flipping?

I’ve heard/read a lot of opinions from fans, journalists, etc. that Carl is wrong because he was 100 laps down. HELLOOOO… That’s the only time to seek revenge! Why in the world would you risk wrecking yourself or being parked when you’re on the lead lap? This makes no sense to me.

That’s all I’ve got.

by kwms on Mar 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

it was flat out stupid. Harvick got parked for less in 2002, just for turning Coy Gibbs around in a Martinsville truck race and more so for parking his truck in front of the NASCAR hauler. He got suspended for a truck race incident and didn’t race in CUP the next day. Because of his attitude and previous probabation. By the way, the previous probation was for Harvick getting into Biffle’s face off the track, something NASCAR says is ok to do now, hmmmm. Carl drove down pit road in the wrong direction yesterday and did this blatant act on a high speed track, to me this is far worse than the other, but I’m sure NASCAR will do nothing. Of course, Carl’s not going to do it again, so probation will mean nothing. Anyone else can get away with it once and get away with it at these race speeds, NASCAR needs to send a message. Again payback is okay, but think of where you’re at when you do it. If we all recall Dale Sr. was killed by a far less wreck, but greater impact just from a small tap in the bumper. So come on folks you don’t have to like the driver that got the payback but we have to be practical about the real danger here.

by Helena S. Holcomb on Mar 8, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry for the type-o’s above.

by Helena S. Holcomb on Mar 8, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummm no

If you go back and watch Daytona CARL is the one that initiated the wreck that sent Junior flying. For the record Carl came up and turned Brad, Brad hit Junior and Junior spun Harvick. So, yeah, can’t pin that one on Brad.

Also, the big difference here is Brad’s a rough driver. It’s called racing incidents like them or not. I don’t ever remember Brad going out and taking multiple swipes against people. Is he vanilla and squeaky clean? No. But it’s racing. If the other drivers don’t like it they can just race him the SAME WAY. But intention stuff like this need to end. It’s not racing. It’s nothing more than a joke.

by Drusylla on Mar 8, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Carl has my support, he’s not the one who made the car flip, NASCAR’S stupid wing did that. He showed Brad he’s not gonna take it though & that is the message he needed to receive.

by Corrine on Mar 8, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Don't forget Michigan

I try to like “Cousin Carl” cuz he is Kenny Schrader’s cousin. But have had a hard time since he attempt to take Dale Jr. out while doing his Victory Lap after a Busch race in Michigan – I believe 2006. Carl literally left pit road AFTER the race was completed and attempted to crash Jr. while passing pit exit.

Should Carl be fined and/or suspended? No.

NASCAR set it up, and it happened. I have a feeling that ‘self policing policy’ will take affect on the track. The fans might not see it, but I bet Mr. Edwards and his team owner will.

Nice post, Jeff. Well done.

by Shirley Buttacavoli on Mar 8, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

I totally agree! If not for the car flipping-it wouldn’t be a big deal and we wouldn’t be talking about it today. OK maybe we would but for the fact that we love a good rivalry not because everyone thinks Carl was totally out of line.

by JennyWyatt on Mar 8, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you Jeff. I think Carl realizes that the circumstances, time and place were a mistake, but that his desire to get some payback was anything but. Let’s thank God no one was hurt and move onto to Bristol.

by Chef Dodge on Mar 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Have at it!

That’s the theme this season, you all asked for it, and now NASCAR needs to uphold it. Retaliation is nothing new. Parking 99 immediately for rough driving was sufficient; there should be no further penalty from NASCAR regarding the wreck. Let the drivers and owners handle the aftermath. Let the garage and fans talk and decide for themselves how stupid Carl’s move was- or wasn’t.

The only fine NASCAR should impose is for Carl not immediately going to the garage following parking and when he drove the wrong way down pit road (off track endangerment).

by DRLDeBoer on Mar 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Who do they think they are!!!!

Respect the Veteran Driver is a Crap Line the Vet Driver love to use it , but forget that they all started out as Rookie’s and made some bad judgement calls them self. They all will do what ever it takes to win or improve there results in a race. I just think that there is alot more Cry Babies out there now that think Rookie’s should just drive around the track and don’t you dare to try and go for a win. For some reason unknown to me they are taking it all out on BK…It seem’s to me if it’s BK it reckless ,if it’s RaganSmith or Hornish it’s a rookie move and just stay away from them..Vet Driver knock car’s out of the way all the time so what makes the Vet driver right and the Rookie Wronge…My answer to that is EGO !!!!!

by CU_Racing1 on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

Though yesterday I might not have. We have to step away from the result of the payback and focus on the intent. But I still don’t think what Brad did at the beginning of the race warranted any payback. Brad had the spot and held his line and didn’t let Carl in front of him. I know about the give and take, but this is racing. There is nothing that says that Brad had to let Carl have the position. If Carl was fast enough, he would have cleared him and passed him smoothly and cleanly. But he wasn’t and didn’t. Carl’s spotter should have told him that Brad was there and Carl shouldn’t have assumed that Brad would have just let him in. Considering that Brad’s never let anyone in before.

But Nascar will look like hypocrits if they suspend Carl for a race after they said to ‘have at it’. Which is why I believe they won’t do anything. They will say parking Carl yesterday will justify his actions. And everyone will move on and wait for the next time Carl and Brad ‘bump’ into each other. Makes you wonder if Brad will stay the same and hold his line and let Carl in.

by jr88freak on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

It makes me sick to the people who think Keselowski deserved it no driver deserves that.

by Lyn Gra on Mar 8, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Brad needed a wake up call. Hopefully he got the message.

by Whip on Mar 9, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's why NASCAR should (and can) punish Carl further

First, take intent out of it, that’s actually a nonsense argument on many levels. If he didn’t even consider what turning a car at 190mph on the front “straightaway” of a tri-oval would do, then he’s not fit to be behind the wheel. Flip or no flip, just spinning harmlessly into the grass is only one of several outcomes, and slim when you drive thru the other car’s backend rather than just tap and let off. NASCAR has treated these guys like i would my 3 boys. I’ll give you enuff room to settle things on your own, but at some point they are going to push things way too far, and i’m going to come down hard. NASCAR has given an inch and Carl took a mile, well, it’s time to come down hard and let the drivers know where the boundaries lie.
Second, i’m still trying to figure out what exactly he’s retaliating for. Looking back at video from Dega and his own comments after that race, he was mostly to blame for that wreck for blocking, not once, but twice, and BK had actually gotten inside of him when he pulled down. Unfortunately at plate tracks, that’s the box NASCAR has put the drivers in, but that’s a debate for another day. As far as the other wreck earlier in the day, that’s one of those “racing deals” as they say. Could BK have lifter a little earlier? yes. But just because he’s Carl Edwards doesn’t entitle him to the space around him. On any given raceday, he’s still a number, a competitor just like the 42 other drivers out there. He even said that BK was there and not necessarily his fault. Then after the massive flip Carl states that BK keeps wrecking him. When? Even if you think that both times were BK’s fault, that’s just twice. Looking back at some of races last year, Carl’s had run-ins with other drivers more than that.
Third, yhat leads into the question, who gets to decide for what you do or don’t retaliate? This “keeps wreckin’ me” statement is still debatable. How about who you retaliate against? Hamlin obviously had a problem with BK last year, but let’s not fool ourselves, looking back at video of races it was not one-sided. I had no problem with what Hamlin did, but why did he only do it to BK? JJ put the bump and run on him at Martinsville last year. Why didn’t he retaliate against JJ? To me to only go after one guy is a little hypocritical. If you have a problem with how one guy races you a certain way, shouldn’t you also have a problem with another driver who does/did the same thing?

Bottom line in Edwards’ case is that he has had a horrible year and a half on the track and is frustrated, and he let that get the best of him on Sunday. If NASCAR doesn’t act now, then it sends a message to the other drivers that this kind of retaliation is acceptable on any other given Sunday. Unfortunately the only thing that will send a message is parking you for a race. Go as Kevin Harvick about that.

by The_Fake_Nick on Mar 8, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Good points. This is what I’ve been saying this whole time. Everyone knows Carl’s intent was not to flip that car; but he did. I can’t think of any santioning body (a parent, police, military, etc) that judges punishment based on the defense “Well, I didn’t mean to do it” The cold hard facts are you DID do it.

IF Carl had seriously injured Brad, this would be more than a nascar issue. Jeff can say he may still have the same opinion but I’m sure Carl would have been charged in an actual crime.

by jshaunburke on Mar 8, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

AGREED

Particularly on the Harvick thing. If NASCAR really wanted to be consistent Hamlin would have been sitting out the Cup race for the NW incident like Kevin did at Mville…but I digress….

by Drusylla on Mar 8, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

If Nascar is going to follow thru with the “gloves are off, bigger than 79’ , old school racing” campaign it can’t punish Carl using the prior precident. What they did to Harvick was when they were trying to make everyone play nice and almost ran off their entire old school fan base.

Now that the NASCAR fad has worn off with the general public and ratings are slipping they realize how much they really needed the old school fan base.

by Whip on Mar 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree somewhat

Agree with you on Carl’s intentions but the bigger issue is where he hit Brad, in front of the stands on the straight away, going extremely fast. And replays show he was gunning for him the lap before. It is the extreme irresponsible way in which he retaliated. Denny’s version (which I feel should have been delt with a bit more harshly than it was) was a bit more thought out and really calculated (meaning that as a compliment). Carl was just acting out, not considering anything else but revenge. That was the scary part of the incident. And going the wrong way on pit road was a clear F.U. to Nascar that was definitely uncalled for and dangerous to crew members. I think some points penalty is in order to make him remember to think before he acts next time. Money is nothing to him, so that is not necessary. And although parking him at Bristol would be good, I don’t think that is fair to the fans that maybe can only go to that one race this year and miss their favorite driver. But points would send a message to retaliate appropriately and use a bit of common sense.

by Fstreetgirl on Mar 8, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I'll weigh in...

Carl is a Jeckyl-Hyde driver. On camera he’s very personable. On the track he has a documented past of being dirty and retalitory (is that a word?). Incident with Jr at Michigan; tried to fight Harvick and got his ass kicked; KyBu bumping/spin out incident at Bristol in 2008; He spins Stewart at Pocono and says he’s gonna make him “bleed”; and even pulled Teamate Kennesth off camera and faked punched him.

Even though I think Carl is a sack of crap, and he thought about wrecking Brad for the better part of an hour and a half, I’m ok with the “have at it boys” attitude NASCAR has. I firmly believe it’s the right policy to have. What I don’t understand is the enormous ignorance of a Cup veteran to wreck a guy like he did under those circumstances.

Carl has showed an aggressive behavior, in my opinion, over a period of YEARS with obviously not much of a deterrent from NASCAR. Personally, I’m ok with this isolated incident, (I don’t believe he intended to put brad in the air) but damn, anyone with a brain can see the pattern of problems Carl’s actions have caused. NASCAR could save a little face by bringing his history up if they do penalize him further. But I wonder, how long is NASCAR going to let him get away with this crap?

DadoHodson

by DadoHodson on Mar 8, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Excellent points on the pattern, to me that shows a history. NASCAR has made descrectionary rulings based on a drivers history when offenses have been committed. Two drivers can commit the same offense but get a different penalty because NASCAR’s excuse is “the drivers history”. Let’s see what they do here…..

by Helena S. Holcomb on Mar 8, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent point

I thought the very same thing yesterday.

Which also brings to mind, most of the veteran drivers out there at one time or another have been the instigators in the same scenarios. They don’t like having it done back to them much do they.

I’m not a fan of either of the boys in question, but it’s not like I dislike them either, just think at some point this type of behavior comes back to bite you in the ass…as it has done to both of them now.

by crazee4gsandgh on Mar 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Carl Isn't The Real Problem....

Should Carl have waited and just talked to Brad about it…..Yes!

Did Carl intentionally wreck Brad….Yes!! He admitted it to the media afterward.

But the real problem here isn’t the fact that Carl used his car to get back at Brad (honestly, Brad has made NO friends in NASCAR because he’s a jerk who can dish it but he can’t take it and complains any time someone retaliates) the real problem is the fact that when Carl simpply tapped Brad’s car it went airborne!! Why didn’t the car stay on the ground?! The roof flaps came up and still Brad’s car went up in the air!!! NASCAR needs to see that the problem is the fact the car got AIRBORNE!!!!!

Great post, Jeff!!! Love It!!

by CassandraF on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Its not Carl's fault its Nascars

The problem is nascar is all happy with self policing so they can’t really punish Carl for what he did (Although being black flagged from 39th place doesn’t really count for much)

Nascar needs to come up with a better policy, how anyone thinks it is ok to ram someone at 170mph is beyond me, maybe the car spins, maybe it flips (Cars flipped before the wing) maybe it goes into the crowd.

Jeff you may say ‘Have at it, boys’ but ultimately someone will get seriously injured (Brad was very lucky yesterday) or killed by an idiot who is all hotheaded and out for revenge, Imagine where that will put the sport.

Not sure what the answer should be, maybe an intentional crashing penalty of sitting for 2 races? In Corporate Nascar that would not make sponsors happy and could end your chase chances. I am sure that would make a few drivers think a little.

On another note i think Carl has anger issues and is fairly dangerous in the car, it isn’t exactly the first time the red mist has descended and he has done something stupid

by RichyJ on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I think everyone is misinterpreting the “have at it boys” policy. It applies to letting drivers have and express their personalities even it they get into fights and get into someone’s face and express themselves. It never meant to ALLOW intentional wrecking. We all know the unspoken rule of payback which is normally done at short tracks. You have to beat and bang and shove someone out of the way to advance that’s part of it, and if you have a beef with someone, it also brings opportunity in the process to get them back. But I honesty can’t believe that anyone would approve wrecking another driver whether their the most hated or the most popular at these high speeds, it’s not NASCAR’s intent to condone intention wrecking this way. What made Bristol so popular before the chase and the repaving, was the tempers, the beating and banging the paybacks, that’s where it was expected. NASCAR I think should let the drivers take care of each other and settle their scores in the right setting. What happened yesterday was way beyond that. How many here would have agreed to Dale Sr. getting what he deserved after all the people he took out in his career. That would be sick minded to condone what happened to him and that was only a racing deal that killed him, so be careful folks what you are approving here. Hey like I said before, nothing wrong with payback, but you have to know when and how to do it. NASCAR has let off of the rules as far as drivers lashing out off the track and if there’s a little love tap here and there after the race is over, I think that’s where they should relax the rules as long as no one gets hurt. But you’re not going to convince me that Carl’s behavior from yesterday is the fault of the rules. As far as the wing causing the flip that’s irrelivant, because taking someone out at a high speed track has ALWAYS been dangerous even when we had spoilers, it was a given NOT to do it.

by Helena S. Holcomb on Mar 8, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree

You know I was sitting in the stands and I was having a hard time deciding what to watch…JPM closing on Kurt for the lead or Carl all over Brad at the end. I decided on Carl and Brad cause I pretty much knew it was going to happen, cause Brad has caused so many wrecks before…not just with Carl and so that would change the end of the race anyway.

I hated seeing Brad go up in the air, scared the heck out of me. But at the same time I was going, well you know what the kid had it coming….you just cannot go out and wreck people every week and not care and not expect to it to happen to you. I hope this is a wake-up call for Brad that there have been many times he’s punted someone out of the way and they could very easily have taken that flip in the air like he did yesterday. I was listening to Denny Hamlin and you could tell Denny didn’t like the fact that Brad flipped, but he also said “when is that kid going to learn” and I agree with him….when? Hopefully yesterday’s incident was the learning process Brad needed. But if not Bristol and Martinsville may be real fun coming up!

I don’t like that drivers intentional wreck people, but I’m sorry Brad fans, but he’s intentionally wrecked people before. Many times in fact so for him to be calling for Carl to be suspended is just plain stupid. Like Jeff said, Carl didn’t mean for him to go flipping through the air, it just happened and just as easily could have happened the many times Brad’s wrecked someone. A lot of drivers go through the phase, Denny and Carl both included, of being too aggressive. But, in my opinion, Brad’s aggressive nature is the worst I’ve ever seen in the sport. In talking to many people, there are a lot of other drivers in the garage that aren’t happy with Brad. So if Brad doesn’t change his ways just a bit, this probably won’t be his last wild ride. I’m not saying Brad shouldn’t be aggressive, cause you have to be aggressive to do well in NASCAR. You can be aggressive and not be wrecking people constantly.

And you know what for a standpoint of payback, this was the best time for Carl to do it. Carl’s day was already shot, he so getting payback wasn’t going to hurt his day. Had he waited for Bristol or Martinsville, he could ruin a good ruin by trying to get payback and hurt his team’s chance at the Chase.

by Scrapgirl933 on Mar 8, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Or, maybe Brad’s not intentionally wrecking people. Maybe he’s just that bad of a driver? Kidding. Sort of. ;)

by chouh2 on Mar 8, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything if it had been 2 cars on the same lap. 156 laps down??? I think it is setting a bad precedent if NASCAR allows lap down cars to come back on the track to take out cars running on the lead lap.

Nascar .said that they can police themselves. That doesn’t mean that if you bump into another car and it is your fault, you get to do what Carl did. That is not policing yourself, that is just unacceptable.

by ga1pest on Mar 8, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

156 lapds down because of Brad!!!!

The whole reason he was so many laps down was BECAUSE of Brad. Why is him being down so many laps such an issue? We all know most of the time Carl ends on the lead lap and was only out because of his wreck with BRAD. If it were a start/park car I could see him being many laps down an issue. It’s not like one of the smaller funded teams was out there wrecking the big name sponsored team. This was Big Boy vs Big Boy just seems to me BK couldn’t take what he dished out.

by LStiff on Mar 8, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Carl handled it like many have over the years. The severity of the wreck was not his intention.

by mpage64 on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Agree 110%

I think after everyone really thinks about it and what happen last year they will agree with you Jeff. I was screaming the same things last night at the TV. Once it all sinks in people will be like hey your right. And the thing is I like Brad and Carl. I also like hard racing. Remember a few years ago when Ryan Newman put Dale Jarrett in the wall at Bristol? well DJ went a few laps down way out of contention and went out there after his car got fixed and put Newman in the wall. Same thing here.

On a side note Nicole Briscoe tweeted saying it was different when Brad put Carl in the wall at Talladega because it was for a win. of course she is bias because she is part of Team Penske.

by fordracingguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Bristol is different to Atlanta

You really can’t compare dumping someone at Bristol to doing the same at Atlanta, ones going to wreck your day the other could kill someone.
Just saying…..

by RichyJ on Mar 8, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

It worked for Kurt it would do wonders for Cousin Carl

Kurt Busch got parked by Nascar just a few years ago for a race and Kurt did learn a lesson. 1 your sponsors dont like you doing what ya did. 2 Jack probley is going to really irked at ya. and 3 the kids that did look up ya now will probley think your mean(hey ask a little kid what they think of a driver taking out their driver mean or stuipd fits the bill)

                                                        I think no driver wants to sit out a race but I think Carl needs some time at home with his baby to enjoy her. Some anger mangerment classes seems to be called for. Jack needs to something about his driver. His sponsors should be wooried about him and what he’ll do next on the track. I know I am.

by pallysjr88 on Mar 8, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Kurt wasn’t punished by NASCAR. Jack Roush suspended Busch at the end of the season when he was a lame duck driver and parting ways with the organization.

by Speed39 on Mar 8, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Kurt's lesson

Most of Kurt’s lesson came courtesy of the knuckles at the end of Jimmy Spencer’s arm. How soon we forget. I’d buy a ticket to Cousin Carl vs. Special K.

by hawkeye56 on Mar 8, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

I respectfully disagree, but that’s what’s great about this. Everyone’s allowed to have their opinions. I am neither a Brad or Carl fan, but I tell you what I lost all of the respect I had for Carl. I know that retaliation is a part of Nascar and this year it’s “have at it boys” but there has to be a line. There’s a difference between having a heated battle on the track for position and things getting out of hand and someone just not using their head.

Does Brad need settled down? Probably. He’s very agressive, reminds me a little of Carl when he first started out. I don’t like it that all these “veterans” need to set these “rookies” in their place…when in actually makes them look like the rookies.

My problem with this whole thing is that Carl was 156 laps down… 156! And he took a couple of swipes at Brad first, really!? That was the wrong place and time for that to happen. That first wreck can’t even be blamed on Brad.. not fully anyway!

Yes, the severity of the wreck may make me more angry and I’m sure Carl didn’t want to flip him (if he did, that’s just wrong)… but I can’t always judge on intent… sometimes things to play out the way you want, you have to be responsible for the outcome though too.

I’m sure Nascar won’t do anything, they won’t want to look like hypocrites, it’s Carl Edwards and Jack Roush.

Sorry that was kind of long… just not a big fan of the way it went on. Bring on Bristol though, I guess!

by Jess43x8 on Mar 8, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS.

Because you are exactly right. Thanks!

-Shaun

by Shaun McDonnell on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Carl won't be sat because NASCAR can not afford to

Jeff I agree somewhat with you say but I think Carl will not be sat because NASCAR can not afford to have one of it’s major stars not in a race. I read that the stands in Atlanta were 60-65% full (even with them having the $1 sale for some tickets) and as of this morning there are still tickets available for the Bristol race. Can you imagine the Carl fans who will NOT go to the race at Bristol because he is not racing? Can you imagine the pressure that Carl’s SPONSORS will put on NASCAR if they don’t let him race? No AFLAC duck during the TV Broadcast, no SUBWAY commercials? No AFLAC, SUBWAY, or SCOTT’s hospitality tents? No Carl will not be sat only because of what money the companies he represents mean to NASCAR. NASCAR will not let money be lost foolishly.
I will say that if this was another driver (Robby Gordon, AJ Allmendinger, Scott Speed) to name a few, they would be PARKED. They don’t have the sponsorship or fan base pull that Carl does. Nascar parked Robby for a Pocono race because he did exactly what Carl intended to do. Get his point across without hurting Ambrose at the Montreal race.

by racingwench on Mar 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Wow...I disagree for so MANY reasons...

But I’ll start here. When cars start nearly flying into the catch fence and grandstand a line has to be drawn SOMEWHERE! Or do we wait for another woman with a shattered jaw or a death to finally realize, hey, this might not be the best of ideas? Now before anyone gets all huffy with me about vanilla racing let me actually make my point.

I have ZERO problem with rough, hard, tight racing. I’m a fan of over 15 years and I remember Earnhardt, Waltrip, Wallace and how all those guys raced and how it was handled. Rubbin’ is racin’ and always has been. I agree with that. What I don’t agree with is a car over 100 laps down coming out, taking three swipes at another car (after admitting they were at fault for the previous incident) and nearly sending the car into the catch fence. That’s not racing. That’s WWE fake drama that has nothing to do with REAL racing. And it could get someone killed.

Everyone is saying this is no different than Homestead but I’ll be honest, I though Homestead was ridiculous. Here’s the thing, I like RACING. Not watching 2 year olds use 3400 lb lethal weapons to settle vendettas at 180 mph. If Carl has a problem with how Brad races, not giving an inch etc, then he should just race him the same way. I guarantee at some point Brad would be on the losing end of a racing incident, we’d all go ah well he deserves that and no car would be flying at the fans. And that would be racing!

If Carl can’t handle his psychotic temper, ie trying to punch Kenseth, take of Junior’s hand, and all his other crazy stunts, then he just needs to have another throw down with a driver in the garage. But maybe he’s afraid of getting his butt kicked again and looking like an idiot. Either way, it shouldn’t be happening on the track. PERIOD.

NASCAR needs to draw a line before a fan IS maimed or killed because if not the family of that person could state inaction here as proof of NASCAR’s negligence in providing a safe experience for the fans and sue the pants off them. This needs to end. Now. Hopefully by Carl sitting and thinking about this at home during Bristol.

Personally, I just wish we could get back to racing. Not the vanilla PC stuff we’ve been living with and not the childish and dangerous temper tantrums it’s become. What happened to just hard, down and dirty racing? Does it really have to get this contrived and pathetic? Carl should have just waited and cut Brad no slack later then let the cards fall where they may and shame on NASCAR if they do nothing about this.

by Drusylla on Mar 8, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

When Robby Gordon was suspended

Robby Gordon was suspended a race for ignoring the black flag, NOT for the incident that got him flagged.

by DRLDeBoer on Mar 8, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Well atleast everyone's talking Racing

Agree with you Jeff on this. Carl cannot be punished further. Nascar said "Have at it Boys and in this case Carl obliged. If this had been Dale Jr would there be this uproar..no way. Jr’s fan would be out there saying “atta boy now your driving like your Daddy”!!! That’s why Dale Sr. was called “the Intimidator”. The fans..Nascar..drivers and sponsors were all getting tired of the “Vanilla Racing”. I can’t wait for Bristol where we all know we will see some paybacks..it’s easier to get away with @ Bristol

by del227 on Mar 8, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Just sayin…

Dale Earnhardt never came out 100 laps down to take cheap shots at people. He raced hard. He raced aggressive but he raced for POSITION. Carl wasn’t doing either. It was a dangerous cheap shot and, respectfully, I’m not seeing the comparison.

by Drusylla on Mar 8, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with what you just posted..I like Jr so not dissing him or Dale Sr.. I love racing..grew up around local stocks..my dad and his buddies raced and I was in a garage when I was crawling….did Carl Edwards pick the right time to do the payback..maybe not but what I’m saying is NASCAR can not pick and choose it’s “Have at it Boys” moments. Nascar opened the gates on this…he got parked..done and over..on to Bristol

by del227 on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I do see your point and I’m afraid that is what will happen. The parking will be the punishment. NASCAR opened this door allowing it to start with Hamlin in Homestead and it’s progressively getting worse. My issue isn’t so much the wreck as the precedent it’s setting. I fear for safety. I just hope this doesn’t get too out of control until we lose someone else.

I guess I’m getting old. LOL I miss the “old days” where discussions like this didn’t seem to be necessary. You know what I mean? Racing took care of itself without contrived incidents like this.

by Drusylla on Mar 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW Jeff

I can’t believe your on this side. All the people that say “Brad had it coming” just scare me. Jeff your argument of “Carl didn’t intend for BK to get airborne” is useless. There are plenty of people all over the country that didn’t intend to do something illegal yet they did. They are now in jail. Carl got caught and basically admitted to it. He has to be sat. Heck he not only jeopordized BK he risked the fans safety. That needs to be the underlying issue here.

by SubmarineMike on Mar 8, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Revenge is a dish best served cold

Many good points have been made on both sides of this argument and I will not quibble with those that I thought less relevant except the suggestion that any off-track activity should exceed polite discussion.

Drivers should certainly try to resolve issues by discussion but not by pugilism. Like it or not the tradition in racing is that if issues can not be resolved by discussion, they are resolved on the track
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In my opinion it boils down to this; if a driver, any driver, feels that retaliation is required, weeks of contemplation are called for so that anger can fade and sane decisions about what is appropriate can be made.

This allows a moment to be chosen when retaliation is not expected, when the speeds are lower and no one risks injury, when it appears to be “just one of them racin’ deals” or at least no more than I just raced him the way he races me.

Carl’s remark that it was his fault was clearly sardonic, go back and listen to Waltrip’s repeated commentary about that. It appears Darrel thought Carl had just cause to be upset about the contact. I sorta consider him fairly expert on these matters. Carl also owned up squarely to his action in the post race interview. However, Carl should not have acted while still upset. I am sure he would have exercised better judgment had he remembered that revenge is a dish best served cold.

by Grey Lens on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly and here's why

1. Television showed, and Brad confirmed, that Carl had been chasing Brad for 2 laps before he finally connected. If the tower had wanted Carl to stop they had a radio button to push – because of “have at it boys” they didn’t, that we know of, push that button.

2. The reason everyone is so appalled is the severity. As Ray Evernham tweeted immediately after the wreck the question should be why are these damn cars getting airborne. If that had not happened, even if Brad had hit the wall very hard, the conversation would be “well the Nascar brass tried to tell Brad last year that he might want to think about how he’s perceived by his peers” and Carl would be openly applauded by his peers. Instead most of them are probably like Denny and not saying anything because they don’t want to look callous – except for Scott Speed God bless him.

3. What more perfect place to make a point? Brad is having a great run and likely to finish top 10. You are 100 laps down because he wrecked you earlier in the race (or you wrecked each other). Talledega you were wrecked out of a win and the wrecker won instead. Why not take something meaningful from him too?

by dianeinla on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Have to agrre with you there NASCAR saw it coming..could have stopped it by giving Carl a warning to back off…So here we are almost 24 hours later still chatting about the wreck..Good for NASCAR

by del227 on Mar 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen to that! But one more reason this is an issue...

Keselowski deserved some payback for a career made on hyper-agressive driving. What better time to deliver the payback then when it was going to really cost him. BK was having a great run and the wreck took that away. Maybe he’ll learn not to be such a prick on the track.

While I don’t think Edwards should be punished more than a symbolic wrist slap, he made a stupid decision. Sure, he didn’t mean for the car to go airborne, just spin out, but at 190 mph you don’t know what the heck will happen. But the real reason people are upset with him isn’t just the drama of the wreck, it was that Edwards broke the new NASCAR code of lying and saying “that’s racing” like everyone else always does. Drivers have been wrecking people on purpose since NASCAR started, but always with the hypocritical “tried to avoid it, just racing hard” comments. Fans and press don’t know what to make of the yeah I did it, and I’d do it again stuff.

NASCAR certainly bears some blame with the “have at it boys” comments this season, but then, with ratings in the toilet, something had to be done, and this has certainly gotten people’s attention. They’d be wise to just live with the bad PR and let the rivalry really develop, because that means people will be watching. Punishing Edwards sends the message that the “back to basics, gloves off” racing is all B.S., and that NASCAR thinks its fans are idiots. It also tells us that this year will be as boring as last year. If they are going to do that, maybe we can all save some time and money, hand Johnson the trophy now, and all watch Formula 1 or something.

by JJLM on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We can talk all day about "if’’s and “intent”…

The truth is, at it’s basics…

Carl didn’t intend to flip Brad, but he did. That’s akin to saying, “I didn’t intend to kill anyone when I lit the pyrotechnics in a small club full of people….”; but you did. You still got the sentence, and fire safety codes were improved.

Just as many have said before, ironically, NASCAR should be thanking Carl, and IMMEDIATELY be going to the drawing board and making sure these cars don’t go airborne like it did (we all know the spoiler change will help, or will it???? See what I mean? Roof flaps were, afterall, intended to keep a car from going airborne…)

And finally..you can’t tell me that for 90 minutes Carl said NOTHING to NOBODY on his team about this. Puhlease. No one either had the balls, or Carl just flat out didn’t listen, which are BOTH scary scenarios…

Should he be punished? I see both sides of the argument. I believe it will all come down to money in the end. NASCAR cannot afford to park a popular driver in the current economy. I think you will see Carl’s “punishment” in other forms…no sponsorship renewal, less endorsements, less $$$ in Carl’s pocket, but maybe it will be transferred to another driver’s pocket, therefore keeping the revenue in NASCAR at some level. And don’t forget what Mr. Roush may have to say about all this.

No, I think Carl will be suffering enough.

by Sky inLas Vegas on Mar 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Common Sense Thinking-by Jeff Gluck

You’re right Jeff. NASCAR would be total hypocrites if they further punished Carl. Your thinking makes total sense. Carl was the one lacking in common sense yesterday. He should have waited till Bristol or duked it out in the garage later.

by NWNascar on Mar 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Here is the Deal…. you can not park Carl b/c you would have to park every other single driver who caused a wreck each time after this. If they did not punish Greg Biffle who on the radio said he should wreck Joey Logono and the he did you can’t punish Carl.

Face it people if he had not flipped you all would be singing Carl’s Praise. And it is funny how some people complain NASCAR is to “boring” and where is the action and now you have action and here you are complaining?!
And yes the question should be asked Why are these cars turning over?
So No I don’t think Carl should be punished!

by ChristinaT on Mar 8, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

I agree with the fact that Carl shouldn’t be punished furher, but I do think his move was reckless at best, and classless. I also think there are some significant differences between Hamlin’s move and Carl, if he was trying to “be Denny”. Denny took care of Nationwide business in Nationwide, an end to a repeated problem that had gotten quite personal-what exactly was Carl retailiating for? As he himself said the earlier incident wasn’t completely Keselowski’s fault….I’m just wondering how much “old business” Carl was taking care of….and if it was all in Cup Series. Plus Denny went after Keselowski early, when they were on equal footing, not at the end of the day when he had nothing to lose and the other guy was having the best cup drive he’s had in forever. If you will recall they both had decent finishes that day. I looked at the crashes (on youtube), and I’m no expert so I can’t tell why one ended badly and the other didn’t. Perhaps the differences in the Natiowide and Cup cars (which maybe someone should be noticing).Finally, Brad knew Denny was coming, NASCAR knew Denny was coming-Carl was much more sneaky and interfered with the outcome of the race for several of the guys who could win it-unlike the position he was in. So does this mean he should be punished harsher, no-its done. I defended Denny and I’m not bashing Carl, but I think his timing was disrespectful to a lot of people and the overall move was dirty and classless. It’s obvious I’m a Hamlin fan, so I’m sure my view is skewed, but I think BK needs to understand that “what goes around comes around.” Perhaps so should Carl.

by janich62 on Mar 8, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

You make very good points, and once again I found your article interesting and thought provoking. The reasons you listed are the reasons I think he should be punished further then he was. Yes, I want more personality, but in all fairness I was against the Hamlin thing too. I applaud a driver coming up behind another driver and giving him a “lovey tap” type of bump-draft saying “I didn’t appreciate that, and watch your step”. Get out of the car and tell him and everyone else what you think.

Personally I have always thought that this type of accident and retaliation should result in a 1 race suspension. Ok yes, you are p.o.ed at BK, but what about the drivers he was racing around, or the fans watching the race? Do any of them deserve the retalatation and the possible life-changing consequences this 1 single act could have caused? I never put up with outbursts of anger being an acceptible reason for action. You think about your action carefully, and then deal with it in an appropriate manner. This is inappropriate for the incident at hand.

I appreciate your point of view, and the fact that people have different views and discuss them like civilized people!

by Shari Lalonde-Goss on Mar 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Does NASCAR Benefit from this

You Bet!!! They abide by the parking of Carl Edwards car as the only punishement. Race fans are of different opinions on the wreck yesterday..are all fired up…Bristol is in 2 weeks…it sells tickets which NASCAR badly needs..we’ve all seen the empty stands this last year..Nascar needs the help..if they take Carl Edwards out of race it’s only going to p’off a bunch of ppl…for the next 2 wks we are going to read about this..see replays and the rivalry hopped up to sell tickets…this is what the fans asked for ….btw I’m not saying what CE did wasn’t stupid….wrong time and wrong place…but this will help NASCAR

by del227 on Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Sit him

He does deserve to be suspended. He was in a 39th place car and wrecked a guy who was going for a top 5 at the very least. Edwards is a special type of turd. Remember a couple years ago the incident with his own teammate Matt Kenseth. The guy is a tool.

by WarpedCore on Mar 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

does the severity of the wreck influence the punishment?

If I was Carl, I would have taken a more calculated approach to the situation. Put some heat on him by drafting, laying low in the turns to see if he would come down on me, ya know keep the pressure on him as much as possible in hopes he would slip up.

That way if he did wreck, then it was on him. I dont think i would lower myself to BK’s standards. You end up hurting your reputation with all the drivers.

by Jeremy Lawhorn on Mar 8, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

What penalty did Carl receive by being parked? He was already as far back as he could go. No penalty. Now Mr Jones decided to stop at a bar after work to have a few drinks to unwind. He doesn’t realize that he is setting in motion the events a few hours later. In the meantime, Mr Smith and his family are coming home from vacation. They are glad to be almost home. They stop for dinner, and go on their way. Mr Jones has finished his few (6) drinks and is feeling no pain. Unfortunately the Smith car and Jones car meet at a red light which Mr Jones runs. The two cars wreck violently killing Mr Smith and his family. Mr Jones survives. What should his penalty be? He didn’t intend to kill four pelple, but he DID. He set this event into action when he drank too much to drive safely. Carl on the other hand with premeditation stalked Brad waiting for the chance to wreck him. He couldn’t know how big the wreck would be but he WRECKED him nevertheless. He had hours to get over his rage…to calm down…but he was simply out of control. We don’t need malicious drivers in Nascar. There is too much at stake. If Carl can’t control his anger, he must be taught to. This is not his first act of “roid rage”. Carl/Dale Jr, Carl/Kevin, Carl/Matt, and now Carl/Brad. Will his next act of anger be directed at his newborn daughter when he is sleep deprived and can’t hold it together? It has happened to many mothers. Sleep deprivation is a serious matter. Should Nascar allow this to slide, the next incident we hear about may very well be when he harms his own child.

by factfinder on Mar 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Carl needs to be sat a race!

I think Edward’s past history of anger management issues should play a role in the punishment process. The issue after the Busch race with Jr, the issue with Kenseth after the Martinsville race, spinning Kyle out after the Bristol race, getting into a scuffle with Harvick at Charlotte, and now this to cap it off. I say a one race suspension!

Whether or not BK12’s car flipped doesn’t really play into my opinion on what should happen to Carl. I have a problem with Carl’s clear anger management problems and coming back out on the track 150 laps down for the sole purpose to deliberately wreck a competitor (regardless of the fact that the two have gotten together before). That is just a … See Morechildish move and should not be tolerated in the highest level of the sport. In hockey if someone trips you, you don’t have the right to get back up and use your stick as a weapon and slash the guy across the face (if you do, you are going to get suspended). Carl used the car as a weapon plain and simple.

by Kyle Jackson on Mar 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

For Edwards: Suspension from Bristol and probation through end of season. For Keseloski: No punishment.

by BSargentOKC on Mar 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Eventually, someone will be made an example. While I think most fans agree with me that passion is important, and seeing guys drive hard is fun, there needs to be a definite line in which drivers are not allowed to cross. The crash was shocking to see, but to see the replay of the previous lap, with Edwards just gunning down Brad like he’s an extra from “Mad Max”…its just something NASCAR doesn’t need.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

It’s exactly what racing need. It’s exactly what ratings needed. Hopefully Brad is smart enough to get the message.

by Whip on Mar 9, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed but I hate whiney drivers

I agree 100%. But since when should drivers expect their opponents to just pull over and give up a spot. Brad’s Talledege win came because he held his line and wouldn’t give up a spot. Carl wrecked himself there and then apparently didn’t learn anything from it and tried the same move in Atl. Why do all these drivers expect everyone to just pull over and let them win, wheres the racing in that?

by tamcat on Mar 9, 2010 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Wreck was great for the sport

All the criticism from long time Nascar fans has been “racing is boring and drivers are too vanilla” and they are right! Why do you think Nascar ratings have been in a steady decline over the last decade?? BORING!!! I am a 20+ yr Nascar fan and this is exactly what the sport needs. Did you folks ready to string Carl up not see the new ad campaign? Nascar hired Carl to say “It’s gonna be bigger than 79”..

As for the the penalties being consistant to those of Harvick. Remember, we’re taking the gloves off, bigger that 79’ , racing the way it used to be. The old rules don’t apply. Those were the rules that made Nascar a snooze-fest for the last 10 yrs.

At the end of the day only 1 thing matters… RATINGS! The ratings spike Nascar will get from the excessive news coverage of the accident is just what the doctor ordered for declining TV ratings and ticket sales. Plus, it’s a hell of alot more fun to watch.

by Whip on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

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