With the first half of the 2010 baseball season behind us, SB Nation's Jeff Sullivan takes this opportunity to look back on everything that's happened, and to briefly look ahead to what might be in store. All of the information is then condensed into handy lists because SB Nation's Jeff Sullivan has a terrible attention span, and so do you.
Jul 15, 2010 - As a wise and handsome SB Nation editor once told me, "lists are the crutch of the terrible writer." Those weren't his exact words. His exact words were worse, and I changed them to make them better to demonstrate that I'm not a terrible writer. Now let's move on to the lists!
It's been a very busy first half of the baseball season, and honestly this format is the only hope I have of touching on most of the big topics in a manner that's clear and concise. Nobody likes a giant wall of text, particularly when some fraction of that wall of text is dedicated to the Indians, so hopefully you find this to be reader-friendly. Of course, even if you don't, it's not like you have a whole lot of other options for reading material today. Not that concern the world of sports. It looks like you're stuck with this whether you like it or not! This is awkward for you.
Apologies ahead of time for anything I neglect to mention. There's no such thing as a complete and thorough review of the baseball season that isn't just a replay of every single game of the baseball season. Let's just get on with it. Let us look back on what's happened, and, at the end, let's take a little peek to the future. Look with me. Peek with me.
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1. San Diego Padres. The Padres were projected as a probable last-place team, but it's funny what can happen when you combine a promising rotation, a dynamite bullpen, a big ballpark, and an excellent defense. At 51-37, the Padres have the fourth-best record in baseball, and though every loss causes onlookers to wonder if "this is it," they've just maintained a steady course.
2. Cincinnati Reds. The Reds, for the nineteenth year in a row, were considered offseason sleepers, but now they've delivered on their promise, and they've done so by riding one of the best lineups in the league. Some cracks have shown lately, but Edinson Volquez might just turn out to be one of the best and best-timed deadline acquisitions anyone makes.
3. Chicago White Sox. Five weeks ago, the White Sox were 9.5 back. They entered the break in first place, and they've done so while getting absolutely nothing from second base, left field, or DH. Losing Jake Peavy is a devastating blow, but the team has still hung around longer than most anyone expected, which means we're all set for America's favorite pastime: following Kenny Williams at the trade deadline.
4. Texas Rangers. The same thing was written about the Rangers all offseason: they're arguably the best team in the tight AL West, but they easily have the best chance of pulling away. They've pulled away. Don't let the recent Orioles sweep get you down - this is a very exciting young team capable of doing some very exciting things.
5. New York Mets. The internet's favorite punchline has strung together a 48-40 record without arguably the best player on the team. They've somehow survived all the drama and fits of perceived incompetence and risen above - even flourished. They're not boring. They've never been boring.
1. Seattle Mariners. The M's were supposed to ride pitching and defense into playoff contention. The pitching has been there. The defense has been there. The offense, though, apparently felt left out, got upset, and decided to stay home. Few 2010 scenarios had the Mariners trading Cliff Lee in early July, and right or wrong, the Zduriencik front office has seen its celebrity status dealt a massive humbling blow.
2. Arizona Diamondbacks. This one's a little hard, since so much depended on the health of Brandon Webb and I don't want to hold a team responsible for one guy's difficulty recovering from an injury, but Webb isn't the reason this team is 34-55. Home runs are the reason this team is 34-55. Opponents have posted an .810 OPS against Arizona pitching this season. The Yankee offense as a whole has an OPS of .787.
3. Minnesota Twins. The Twins are good, and they're better than this, but they surrendered a 4.5-game division lead in a month and now sit well behind two rivals. Does anybody realize that Joe Mauer has a .792 OPS? The star power is there, but they need more players to step up. They really could've used Cliff Lee.
4. St. Louis Cardinals. Before the year, I went on the radio and predicted that the Cardinals would take the NL Central by such a big margin that they could bench Pujols all year and still come out on top. No dice. Granted, part of that is the success of the Reds, but part of that is that the Cards have underachieved. The only reason they're fourth here instead of second is because I actually think they've performed better than their record, but now they're in line for a more competitive second half than certainly I was expecting.
5. Baltimore Orioles. The O's have Matt Wieters. The O's have Adam Jones. The O's have Nick Markakis, and Chris Tillman, and Jake Arrieta, and Brian Matusz. And the O's have the worst record in baseball. I get that the competition is stiff. They still shouldn't be as bad as they are. The key to participating in a hopeless division race is to at least pretend like you have a prayer for a little while.
1. Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera's end to 2009 was as low an end as any player's had in quite some time. Now, at 2010's midway point, he leads all of baseball in OPS. It's funny how nobody's talking about his drinking problems anymore. Except me, right now. ooh edgy
2. Justin Morneau. If you're wondering what happened to Joe Mauer's power, it was absorbed by his first baseman. Morneau won the MVP in 2006 by posting a .934 OPS. His OPS now is higher by 121 points.
3. Josh Hamilton. Earlier in the year I expressed some concern that the Rangers might not be able to survive offensively without Nelson Cruz when he twice landed on the DL. Hamilton didn't take kindly to my worries, and is slugging .625. Since June 4th he's slugged .815.
4. Joey Votto. Votto garnered a lot of attention when he was initially left off the NL All-Star roster, but before that, he was probably the most underrated player in baseball. Now that designation might fall right back on Adrian Gonzalez, who people still don't realize is as good as he is because he plays in a park that kills hitters. Wait, I think I'm supposed to be talking about Joey Votto. Joey Votto is really good.
5. Kevin Youkilis. Youkilis is doing the exact same thing he did in 2009, which was the exact same thing he did in 2008. The only difference is that now he's making a lot more contact. I'm not sure people realize how productive he is. Probably because he's really ugly, and people assume that ugly people aren't very good at things. Which I suppose is a fair assumption.
1. Francisco Liriano. I was surprised too when I looked at the numbers. Turns out Liriano is doing everything he used to do before he got hurt. He's striking people out. He's limiting his walks. He's keeping the ball on the ground. Liriano's only 26, and through three months now he's outpitched every other starter in baseball. He's back. Boy is he ever back.
2. Josh Johnson. Another underrated young ace who many figured had been irreparably damaged by Tommy John Surgery earlier in his career. Yeah, nope. Johnson does everything that Liriano does. He just does it in a different league.
3. Roy Halladay. The Phillies can't be feeling too good about their Cliff Lee trade right now, but at least the ace they got to replace him has been everything they could've dreamed of. All of his skills have translated to the NL without any problem, and the only possible complaint is that he's kind of dull in how unthinkably awesome he is.
4. Cliff Lee. Like Halladay without the groundballs, Lee has as many walks as complete games. Read that again. Now read that again. Which sentence are you reading right now? Is this confusing you as much as it's confusing me?
5. Jon Lester. People are probably going to yell at me for choosing Lester over guys like Tim Lincecum and Ubaldo Jimenez, but to do what Lester's done, in that league, in that division, is nothing short of phenomenal. Also, he had cancer in 2006. The only thing keeping Jon Lester from being one of America's favorite stories is that he plays for the Red Sox.
1. Brandon Wood. The Angels' big-time power prospect was supposed to make up for the loss of Chone Figgins. He has posted a .418 OPS, with four walks and 50 strikeouts. He even got sent to AAA Salt Lake for a brief spell, where his OPS was .496. Brandon Wood's OPS is lower than Joey Votto's OBP. Though he's only 25, it's difficult to imagine this guy ever going on to have real, sustained big league success.
2. Ken Griffey Jr. This hurts me, so I'll just say I'm glad Griffey didn't try to stick around any longer than he did. I have never in my life seen a hitter in the Major Leagues look so helpless.
3. Garret Anderson. Not the best year for Angels present or past. Kendry Morales hurt himself celebrating a home run, Brandon Wood can't even get the chance to hurt himself celebrating a home run, and Garret Anderson is embarrassing himself an hour north of where he made his name.
4. Tommy Manzella. Nobody ever wants his scouting report to begin with "an older Brian Bocock."
5. Brendan Harris. Harris made his Twitter debut this year and promptly fell apart, batting .157 for Minnesota before getting demoted to AAA, where he's hitting .118. Twitter. It ruins careers.
1. Dontrelle Willis. So far in 2010, Dontrelle Willis has a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 0.84. This is a big, promising departure from 2009's 0.61, and 2008's 0.51. At this rate, he should hit the league average in something like eight years. I know people want to love Dontrelle and wish him well, but perhaps it's time we wish him well in another line of work.
2. Scott Kazmir. Kazmir just allowed 13 runs in one game against the light-hitting Oakland Athletics. He's lost the ability to strike people out, his walks are out of control, and everything's getting hit out of the park. Fortunately, he's only going to cost the Angels twelve million dollars next season.
3. Nick Blackburn. In case you've ever wondered if a Major League pitcher can succeed without ever striking anybody out, don't.
4. Todd Wellemeyer. Wellemeyer had one goal this year: keep the Giants' fifth rotation slot warm for Madison Bumgarner. Wellemeyer kept it warm, but he also farted all over it.
5. Ian Snell. Dontrelle Willis without the continued playing time. People say Snell still has electric stuff, but believe me, I've watched a lot of Ian Snell, and I don't see it. So he can throw a ball 93. So can Miguel Batista. Snell throws a fastball with decent velocity. The rest of the package sucks.
1. Roy Halladay, May 29th. Good efficiency and 11 strikeouts against a reasonable lineup. Halladay was overdue for a game like this, and in true Halladay fashion, he handled it with modesty and humility. Unlike another guy on this list.
2. Armando Galarraga, June 2nd. The only 28-out perfect game in history, what was truly most amazing about Galarraga's effort is that it came from a lousy pitcher. Everything about that game was weird.
3. Dallas Braden, May 9th. Cheers to Dallas Braden for an outstanding performance. Jeers to Dallas Braden for drawing more attention to himself since I find him completely insufferable. I wish Dallas Braden and Dontrelle Willis would swap results.
4. Ubaldo Jimenez, April 17th. With six walks and just seven strikeouts, this wasn't actually one of Jimenez's best early performances, statistically, but he didn't allow a single line drive, and as a result, he didn't allow a single hit. He even struck out Jason Heyward twice, which, if you remember what Jason Heyward was doing early on, should probably push Ubaldo up past Braden on this list. Ehh
5. Edwin Jackson, June 25th. This was an ugly game but an amazing game, as Jackson had seven walks and 68 pitches through the first three innings. It's worth noting that, following his 149-pitch no-hitter, he was poor in his next two starts. Worth it? I don't know. I don't care.
1. Daniel Nava's first-pitch grand slam. I probably don't need to recount the whole Nava story to you, but I still want to, because it's awesome. Nava got cut in college, wasn't drafted, and was purchased by the Red Sox away from an indy league team for a dollar. He made it all the way to the bigs and hit a grand slam on the first pitch he ever saw. It doesn't matter if Nava ever sticks around or wins a World Series. He's already had his Hollywood ending.
2. Jason Heyward's home run in his debut. Just watch the video. The anticipation, the chanting, the no-doubt-about-it swing and distance - Heyward may never deliver a more perfect home run.
3. Everything about Stephen Strasburg's debut. You'll notice a theme here: debuts. The best headline I saw on the game was Beyond The Box Score's "Hype Fails To Live Up To Stephen Strasburg." That's a great way to put it. In front of a packed house, with the country's undivided attention, Strasburg struck out 14 big league hitters without a single walk, every strikeout earning a bigger roar than the strikeout before. That's a game that's going to stick with me for years. I can still see his breaking ball when I close my eyes.
4. Brooks Conrad's walk-off grand slam. Coming back from a six-run deficit in the bottom of the ninth is big enough. Capping it off with a grand slam hit by some no-name journeyman is the stuff of legends. Conrad hasn't done a whole lot since the big dinger, but he doesn't have to. His name won't soon be forgotten.
5. Armando Galarraga presents Detroit's lineup card to Jim Joyce. Despite the initial devastation, one could argue that Joyce's blown call in Galarraga's perfect game wound up a net positive, as parents and children the country around were reminded that, even in the year 2010, sportsmanship in the professional ranks isn't dead. Galarraga and Joyce handled the incident with such mastery and grace that one almost begins to suspect it was scripted.
1. Brennan Boesch. Two years ago, Boesch was a 23 year old with a sub-.800 OPS in A-ball. A year ago he made some gains, but he still wasn't seen as much of a prospect. Now it's 2010 and at the All-Star break, Boesch is out-hitting Albert Pujols. He isn't going to sustain his current performance, but he doesn't have to. He's shown that he can put the bat on the ball and hit for power. The Tigers knew they'd need to find some protection for Miguel Cabrera, but I doubt they ever thought they'd find it in-house.
2. Colby Lewis. Did you know that one of the AL's best #2 starters was a free agent last offseason? Did you know he signed a two-year contract for five million dollars? Lewis was a bust in the States, so he went to Japan, where he learned to be awesome. He has since returned and continued being awesome, being a huge stabilizing force for a Rangers rotation that no one's ever trusted. Lewis has to be seen as one of the best investments any team has made in a year.
3. Andres Torres. Torres is a remarkable story. A guy with a lot of speed, Torres spent the early part of his career as something of a groundballing slap-hitter. When he realized he wasn't being very productive, he took to completely re-tooling his swing, and he started to have a lot of success in AAA. He carried it over into San Francisco as a backup outfielder in 2009, but now he's proven himself in what's become a starting role in 2010. With Mark DeRosa injured and Aaron Rowand struggling, the Giants could've sunk. In large part because of Torres, they haven't.
4. Jose Bautista. Through his first 2000 big league trips to the plate, Bautista slugged .400, with one home run per 35 PAs. In 2010, he's improved to .543, with one home run per 15 PAs. The Blue Jays, for a long time, were staying competitive by beating the crap out of the ball, and Bautista was one of the biggest contributors. Just 29, the former disappointing prospect has put himself back on the map by finally tapping into what once made him interesting.
5. Mat Latos. Given the recent history of the Padres' farm system, it would've been enough for Latos to come up and serve as a decent #4 or something, like Brian Tollberg that one time. Instead, Latos has shot forward and developed into an ace at the age of 22 and made everyone forget that Jake Peavy ever existed. They say the Padres are in the race because of smoke and mirrors. More accurately, it's smoke, mirrors, relief, and Mat Latos. He doesn't do a whole lot wrong.
1. Billy Butler isn't a bust. Remember how Baseball America really loved him and then he came up and didn't wow anybody? He's actually been a good big league hitter for a year and a half!
2. David DeJesus is one of the better all-around outfielders in baseball. You've seen the Royals, and you've seen the name "David DeJesus," and you've figured he was just some nobody Latin kid in the outfield. He's actually quite talented! He doesn't do any one thing like a superstar, but he doesn't really have any weaknesses, with the total package making him a good value. He's going to have a long, boring career.
3. Joakim Soria is amazing. Did you know that, since 2007, Soria's ERA is only 16 points worse than Mariano Rivera's, and 12 points better than Jonathan Papelbon's? He's an elite-level closer! The Royals have someone elite!
4. The farm system is good. I saw a Tweet a week or two ago that read, "Is anybody's system having a better year than Kansas City's?" Mike Moustakas is the big name, as the 21 year old has a 1.100 OPS in AA. Left starter Mike Montgomery is advancing quickly. Eric Hosmer is blowing up in high-A. Kila Ka'aihue is tearing up AAA. And so on, and so forth. Losing a lot helps a system, but it seems the Dayton Moore front office isn't all bad. They've collected a very strong set of top prospects.
5. The Royals have been referred to on The Simpsons on two separate occasions. In one, a book is seen with the title Kansas City Royals: Champions Forever. In another, there exists a Radioactive Man comic titled Radioactive Man Meets The Kansas City Royals.
1. Dan Haren. There are a number of reasons why Haren may not get traded, but if he is, he'll be a prize. He's still putting up strong peripheral statistics, his home run rate is flukishly unsustainable, he's proven himself in both leagues, and he's signed to a reasonable long-term contract. Nevermind the ERA. He's an ace.
2. Ricky Nolasco. If the Marlins decide to move Nolasco, he should bring back a bounty, because though a lot of people don't realize it, Ricky Nolasco's a really good pitcher. Over the last three years, he's run a K/BB of 4.4. He throws strikes, he misses bats, and he's durable. He's kind of like Javier Vazquez without the chapter where he sucks in New York.
3. Roy Oswalt. Another ace on the market who is very talented, but whose value is lowered by the big $16m 2011 price tag. Oswalt's having another strong year, and he's doing it again in a tiny ballpark. He just seems like the kind of guy who could put a team on his diminutive back for the playoffs, you know?
4. Adam Dunn. Contract talks with the Nationals seem to have fallen apart, putting Dunn on the market. All he's doing is slugging .588. Dunn is a short-term answer for any team in search of a big middle-of-the-order bat, as he's well on pace to hit 38 or more home runs for the seventh consecutive season.
5. Dan Uggla. Though he's not the world's most athletic second baseman, Uggla can handle himself in the middle infield, and he hits like a DH. There are concerns about the money he'll be owed the rest of the way and in 2011, but there are no concerns about what Uggla brings to the table, and how much he could help the middle of a team's order.
1. Hanley Ramirez
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Yunel Escobar?
5. Hanley Ramirez
1. New York Yankees. Even if they sit still and don't make a move, they have perhaps the AL's best lineup, and perhaps the AL's best rotation. They have the league's best record for a reason, and they're only better than the version of themselves that won the Series a year ago. There just aren't many holes. I don't know that there are any holes.
2. Tampa Bay Rays. The annoying little team that's keeping up with the Yankees, the Rays don't excel at the plate, but they do excel on the mound and in the field. The front of the rotation is impressive, the top of the bullpen is strong, and there's enough ability in the lineup to keep the team winning. You know who could really fit here? Adam Dunn.
3. Boston Red Sox. Finishing off the AL East triumvirate, the Red Sox are only down because they're beat up, and they won't be beat up forever. Players will come back, and the team will improve. If Josh Beckett shows up and pitches well, then they can throw him in there with Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz and conveniently forget about the troublesome #4 and #5 slots should they make the playoffs. Which isn't a guarantee, but if they make it, they'll be tough.
4. Texas Rangers. I don't know quite how well the Rangers stack up against the beasts of the East, but I know the Cliff Lee acquisition was a huge, huge help. All of a sudden, with Lee, Colby Lewis, CJ Wilson, and Neftali Feliz, the Rangers have an impressive playoff pitching staff. Before the Lee move, I thought Texas might just roll over in the postseason. With Lee, they have at least one game where they'll arguably have the pitching edge over anyone.
5. Minnesota Twins. I know they're in third place right now, and it was hard for me to pick between them and the Tigers here, but I had to give a narrow edge to the team with the Mauer/Morneau/Thome/Liriano/Pavano core. If they make a move, as they nearly did with Cliff Lee, so much the better. This team is a good deal worse than the four above it in this list, but with a guy like Liriano and those three names in the order, funny things can happen in the playoffs.
1. St. Louis Cardinals. Putting a team that's presently out of the playoff picture at #1 won't win me any fans outside of St. Louis, but their top three starters have a combined 2.54 ERA and their lineup has Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday, Ryan Ludwick, and Colby Rasmus. There is a lot of star power on this roster, and star power - top-level talent - is the biggest advantage come playoff time. Nobody cares about depth in the playoffs. People care about a team's best players. St. Louis' best players make for what I consider the strongest unit in the NL.
2. San Francisco Giants. The fourth-place San Francisco Giants, mind you. The fourth-place San Francisco Giants have a very solid rotation led by one Tim Lincecum, they have an underrated intimidator in Brian Wilson, and they've answered one of their biggest offensive concerns with Buster Posey. With continued success from Aubrey Huff, I expect them to make a strong push, and if they get into October, they'll be scary.
3. Los Angeles Dodgers. If you can't tell, I place a big emphasis on starting pitching in the playoffs, and the Dodgers can come at a team with Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, and an underrated Hiroki Kuroda. There aren't any questions about Jon Broxton in the bullpen, and the lineup produces enough runs to offset the runs they give up in the field. Right now they only really have one offensive hole, and that's at catcher, where you can accept a lesser performance. As much as I like the Padres, I'm worried they might be too thin.
4. Atlanta Braves. I have to say, I'm uncertain about how Jason Heyward's injury is going to affect him the rest of the way, and that lineup really needs him to produce. I'm also not completely sold on Tim Hudson's ERA. Tommy Hanson, though, is very good, and even if Alex Gonzalez doesn't produce as he did with Toronto, he should still improve on what the Braves had been getting from shortstop. This isn't an elite team, but it's a good one.
5. Philadelphia Phillies. Much of the core is older and worse, but that's still a core that's taken the team to two straight World Series. With the familiar pieces in place behind an ace in Roy Halladay, the Phillies are health and a hot streak away from again being in position to make a whole lot of noise.
Comments
That was a fun little article!
by OscarDog on Jul 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, it was a fun read
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
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by Gobroks on Jul 15, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Iunno
I guess the Rockies 9-run 9th inning capped with a walkoff home run was pretty exciting too.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
I had that as #6 :(
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Has there been a comeback in the 9th that big before
you know history and all..
/looks for more excuses to pump the Rockies up
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly if it hadn't been Brooks Conrad, that game wouldn't have gone on the list
I just find Conrad hitting a grand slam more satisfying than Seth Smith hitting a three-run dinger.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well, yeah, Conrad's slam was pretty intense
Smith is Mr. Late Night, too.
Oh but I forgot that we cheated to win that game by switching out the baseballs. My bad. (not directed at you, Jeff)
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait.
What?
by Joe Metro on Jul 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The 1990 Phillies snort derisively
11-1 down in the eighth, 11-3 down in the ninth, and still win.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 15, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
More examples
See here
Now, that’s a debut…"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well come on they still had 1-bounce rules and not a single player was capable of fielding competently
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But enough about the 1990 Phillies
[rimshot]
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 15, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sorry jim but 9 runs in the 9th is bigger than 8 in the 9th thanks for playing
(yeah that’s absolutely an insane comeback)
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I count 10...
11-1 = 10 when I was in school
by JShoe on Jul 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Your counting is excellent.
Your reading comprehension, however, is somewhat lacking.
by Joe Metro on Jul 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
12 - 3 = ???
a) 8
b) 9
c) The Coors Field scorer awarding Tulowitzki a triple.
d) None of the above
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 15, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there have been two other 6-run comebacks this season.
Just without padding on unnecessary runs via homer.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No that was easily the worst moment of the entire season
by Poochie on Jul 15, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, fuck the Rockies
by Poochie on Jul 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You are
absurd. Your NL contenders are the teams that should have been there but haven’t because they’ve underachieved. One division leader? Come on son.
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by milldoo on Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think it's absurd to be skeptical of the Padres' and Reds' chances of winning it all
They’re good teams, but I don’t think they’re necessarily good teams built for a playoff run.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously..
lol @ Giants at #2
by carebearmafia on Jul 15, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn't just about odds of making the playoffs
It’s also about the odds of then going on to win the title. The Giants have lower odds of making the playoffs than some other teams, but they are built like a playoff team.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't entirely disagree
but it’s a bit disingenuous to hail teams that look good IF they make the playoffs – making the playoffs is more important, the rest is more or less a crapshoot.
[homer] You could make a strong case that Jimenez/Hammel is just as good of a 1-2 punch as Lincecum/Cain[/homer] – note that I said COULD, I wouldn’t recommend it.
I have trouble buying into the Dodgers right now. They are a very incomplete team.
I’m not going to dismiss the Padres. Those bastards nickel and dime every single hit and they have an entire jar full of loose change ready to unleash. They also do laundry with some of that change.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's put it this way:
My NL top 5 is not as clearly defined as my AL top 5, and the differences between the teams aren’t as pronounced. So I could easily be swayed. If people really think the Rockies should be in there, I won’t put up too much of an argument.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm not so much trying to spam ROCKIES ROCKIES, it's just my obvious bent
and a lot of the support for the other teams seems to overlap with Colorado (pitching, injury, etc etc) – although we could make that case with like the Mets too. Maybe.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you're right
I don’t think the Rockies are great or anything, but if I could re-write that list I think I’d probably slot them in. It was an oversight on my part.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
A+++++ article! Would read again!!!!
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by DbacksSkins on Jul 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
Way to leave Ubaldo out of your top five pitchers . . . wow.
Dude got off to a 15 game start that has been seen once or twice in the modern era of baseball.
by blooming rock on Jul 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Wins are the only stat that matters...
… and no one (in 1963) denies this!
by Chris Mottram on Jul 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
dude it was pretty intense
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ubaldo is indeed very very good
So are the five pitchers listed. Saying that Ubaldo is not one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball is not an insult.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to act like pitcher wins are a useful evaluative tool.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the 2.20 ERA? With half your games in Coors?
What about the 8-something K/9, what about what players near universally this year themselves are calling the filthiest stuff?
Not to argue that Ubaldo has been thee best pitcher in baseball, but to say not even in the top 5 at this point is just silly. And the same would apply if he were 11-4 and not 15-1.
If writers are going to essentially blanket diss Rockies hitters for getting to play 1/2 their games in LOLCOORZ, then they must also essentially give Rockies pitchers additional credit for performing at a Cy Young level playing half their games in the same stadium.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe me, I understand how park effects work
I’m not dissing Ubaldo. I just find the performances of the five pitchers listed to be superior. Ubaldo would probably rank sixth or seventh. ERA aside – since it’s a flawed metric – Ubaldo’s peripherals are worse than Lester’s, and Lester pitches in the American League, in the East.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but seems like you're ascribing additional credit to overcoming cancer four years ago
Not to dismiss the significance of that, but I’m highly skeptical that a cancer bout that many years ago is a basis to boost his pitching today.
And re the AL East, no matter how tough it is, he still gets to face the Orioles….
…okay, that was just gratuitous humor.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not actually giving him a boost for overcoming cancer
that was just a throwaway remark because I didn’t want this article to be 100% stats.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I said anything about Jimenez belong on the list or not.
I called you out for using wins.
ERA is also missing out on quite a bit, but it’s at least more of a measure of skill than Wins.
The K rate is good. You can couple that with walks and maybe some other stuff (depending on how you want to term the best so far) and get a better idea. An that will have Jimenez as arguably but not certainly a top five pitcher this season.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
bunch of plebes
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Lists
Top Five “up side” Surprises:
1. Padres
2. Rays
3. Reds
4. Mets
5. Tigers
Top Five “down side” Surprises
1. Diamondbacks
2. Orioles
3. Mariners
4. Pirates
5. Cubs
Side note: Giants #2 WS contender out of the NL? They will be lucky to even make the playoffs given all the competition with slightly better records than them.
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by Xeifrank on Jul 15, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
The only reason there are ANY National League WS Contenders listed
Is because the World Series is an AL champ vs an NL champ.
I don’t think any of the NL teams match up with the top 3 AL teams =/ and its not really even close.
by CKremer on Jul 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays are a surprise?
That’s a surprise to me
by JShoe on Jul 15, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would just like to take this opportunity to mention that I do not have anything against the Rockies
I swear. I like the Rockies. I actually like them more than most of the teams in the NL. I’m just not super high on them as a baseball team right now, relative to others.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Have you seen this yet?
The Case for The Rockies
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
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by hotdoglady on Jul 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to seem homerish, but you should be
top-flight pitching STAFF from top to bottom, young awesome bats, Tulo on his way back…
plus how can you not love this smile:
LOVE THIS TEAM, JEFF! LOVE IT!
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
this made me ever so sad
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by hotdoglady on Jul 15, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now I am kicking myself for underrating De La Rosa
That’s an unforgivable mistake.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone saw him coming when we traded for him in 2008
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Os were that surprising
With Roberts, Pie, and Reimold being injured. Matusz, Arrieta, and Tillman still being very young and very inexperienced. We have had lousy bats at 2nd and SS all year.
Sure, at the beginning of the year I thought maybe 500!, but once Roberts went down that really screwed our chances. And three of the teams you listed in the top 5 AL are in their division, that doesn’t help.
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by John Stephens on Jul 15, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
Nice
Except I wouldn’t call Armando Galarraga lousy. He’s no Verlander, but the guy obviously has talent, maybe he’ll never be more than a #4 talent, but he’s certainly a capable guy.
by MrPants20 on Jul 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
Luke French is capable
that doesn’t mean anyone really wants to see him pitch, unless its a perfect game that is.
by CKremer on Jul 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
With the other Rockies apologists in this list of comments.
I’m obviously there too. Your oversight of them seems like you are biased against them.
You say you “aren’t high” on them right now, can you elaborate?
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by Thnikkaman on Jul 15, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
I made a mental whiff on Jorge de la Rosa
That was stupid, and it changes things. I will say that I’m not in love with an offense whose best hitter right now is Miguel Olivo, but uh, after thinking things over a lot more over the past hour, I’m reconsidering. If I could write this again, I’d add the Rockies to the list and boot the Phillies.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This seems reasonable.
I know its awfully difficult to keep track of all 30 teams, let alone the top 15 that actually have a chance of making the playoffs. From that I can understand the oversight.
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by Thnikkaman on Jul 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to make any excuses
I DEMAND THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't just say "Their best hitter is Miguel Olivo" as if it's a bad thing
Olivo is hitting better than anyone on the following teams:
Brewers
Cubs
Padres
Diamondbacks
Blue Jays
Angels
Indians
Orioles
Astros
Royals
To name a few. A .393 wOBA is nothing to sneeze at.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean to imply that his performance has been bad
It’s more that I don’t trust him, and his BABIP is nearly 100 points higher than his career average.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Tulo and Seth Smith aren't right behind him
Fact is that Colorado doesn’t have a Matt Holliday anymore, but they have a collection of solid .850+ OPS hitters now. Well, potentially. It was an ugly first half.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Something tells me I will never be forgiven for underrating the Rockies
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I just like spouting the good points of the team
we’re kind of used to being perpetually ignored. We do play on the moon, after all.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I do rather enjoy the accusations of anti-Rockies bias I'm getting
That would be a weird bias for a Mariners fan to have. I’m not biased against the Rockies. I’m just kind of stupid.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL NOBODY IS ARGUING THAT LAST POINT AM I RIGHT
We’re like Canada. We’re really good and do lots of good stuff but don’t get any attention so we have an inferiority complex larger than….say, did you know that Canada is the largest country in North America?
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I CALLED YOU CONTENDERS IN THE BLACKBERRY CHAT ISN'T THAT ENOUGH
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry,
But I don’t think Francisco Liriano deserves to be on the list of top pitchers. At least in the top five. The reason is because he tailed off and is slumping with the rest of our starting staff except for Carl Pavano.
by Jessy S on Jul 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
Liriano's blend of skills is among the very best in baseball
He’s pitched a good deal better than his ERA.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Halladay got lit up a couple of times this season too
Liriano is phenomenal
I shouldn’t have to convince a Twins fan of this.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Liriano is phenomenal, but I just think he is tired from pitching in the Arizona Fall League and Caribbean League. This means that he has pitched about eight to nine months worth of baseball. At this point in the season, most pitchers have thrown 4.5 months of work including Spring Training. As a Twins Fan, I love what he has done for us, but the fact remains is that he should be at least sixth on the list. Meanwhile a certain Colorado Rockies pitcher should be 1st. Also included, the entire Yankees rotation excluding Phil Hughes, and AL All-Star Starter David Price of Tampa Bay. I am a Twins fan, but I am also trying to be objective when it comes to baseball, unlike the Baseball Tonight guys who are counting the days until August 6th which features the next Yankees/Red Sox Series.
by Jessy S on Jul 15, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
At least the Padres got love as being surprising. But really, Francisco Liriano as the best pitcher in baseball??? For one, Mat Latos has 1 less of an ERA, almost twice as many wins with a worse offense, lower WHIP, lower BAA, and just a few less strikeouts. And Mat Latos didn’t even crack your top 5.
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, but, you can do much better in evaluating pitchers than ERA and WHIP and BAA.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, you can watch people pitch
And Latos has been just as dominating as Liriano. Latos hardly lets anyone on base anymore. In his last 12 starts he is 9-1 with a 1.45 ERA. Numbers aside, he is definitely the best pitcher on one of the top pitching teams in the league. He is the Padres “stopper”. Is Liriano the Twins “stopper”
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yes?
Liriano is having a downright amazing season. So is Latos.
I hate facing Mat Latos.
I am a Colorado Rockies blogger and I approve of this message.
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
just seems to me
That a true ace “stopper” makes sure his team wins games. The Twins have lost the last 5 times Liriano has pitched
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
A true stopper doesn't have any more control over his bullpen, offense or defense than a sucky one.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A stopper can not give up too many runs to often
And give his team a higher potential chance to win. There is no way in those last 5 starts that Liriano had gone 0-4 in that his defense caused him to give up that many runs. Latos, for example, has only given up more than 2 runs once since April.
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, runs are partly a function of things outside of a pitchers control.
They are not the worst measurement, but you can do better.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*too
And Latos gets much less support from his offense than Liriano does too. He pitches for the Padres.
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Firstly, because this deserves its own response, you're flat out wrong.
A quick trip to Baseball-Reference will show you that’s not true. They both average the exact same 3.8 runs of support a game.
Just because the Twins offense is better doesn’t mean Liriano hasn’t had the poor luck of pitching on an unfortunate number of their off days. Because pitchers can’t control that and offenses aren’t consistent.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Second, if you won't do it yourself, I'll do the homework for you.
K/9
Liriano 9.81
Latos 8.35
FIP
Liriano 2.18
Latos 3.20
xFIP
Liriano 2.97
Latos 3.52
FIP-based WAR
Liriano 4.2
Latos 2.1
tRA
Liriano 2.53
Latos 3.08
tRA-based WAR
Liriano 4.0
Latos 3.1
League
Liriano AL
Latos NL
Ballpark HR Factor (LHB/RHB)
Liriano Target Field 99/99
Latos Petco Park 59/90 (!!!)
Ballpark wOBA Factor (LHB/RHB)
Liriano 100/100
Latos 89/92
Latos has a lower ERA because he has a better ballpark for pitching in, pitches against a weaker league, doesn’t have to face a DH, has had better balls-in-play luck and has a better defense behind him.
He has more wins because of all those things and having a better bullpen and the same run support. And wins are a useless tool for evaluation.
Latos has been awesome. I understand why you’re excited, and you should be. But please, please before commenting on things like this on a neutral site, put aside your homerism and look at the fact that Latos has not outperformed Liriano in any measure of the best evidence.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is what makes you great Robbie Van WooWoo
You’re voracious appetite to show people just how badly/much they’re wrong.
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by GhettoBear04 on Jul 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
10 of Latos’s 17 starts were away, so he didn’t get to take full advantage of that home field advantage. and his ERA was still just 2.60 on the road. Liriano was about half and half, but he got rocked the hardest in his away starts actually, having a 4.91 ERA on the road. The ballpark factor hasn’t really been a big factor.
Latos does have a better defense behind him, but still, to say “Latos has not outperformed Liriano in any measure of the best evidence.” is just foolish. Latos has outperformed Liriano in all the stats that are tangible. Liriano has ranked unluckier in some SABR categories, but that should not completely discount the tangible numbers and wins Latos has given his team.
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by MatLatos.com on Jul 15, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence we should be looking at park-adjusted stats, which don't simply assume every game is in the home park.
Which I know for a fact Jeff does.
I’m also not sure you’re using “tangible” correctly.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, you ignored the fact that your run support argument was wrong.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At the end of the day
The only thing that matters is the Win-Loss Record.
Mat Latos is 10-4
Francisco Liriano is 6-7
Otherwise the only way to compare these two pitchers is to see them face each other in a ballgame.
by Jessy S on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that you wrote this comment literally at the end of the day
But your point isn’t valid.
W/L is a statistic with flaws. There are other, better statistics referenced above.
by yuniform on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You can watch people pitch AND do better statistically than ERA, WHIP and BAA.
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by philkid3 on Jul 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mat Latos is very good and I am firmly on the Padres bandwagon
In fact, I had Latos as #6 on the breakthrough performance list.
The Padres are awesome.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a very convenient group of "#6 on my list" players
I’M ON TO YOU, SULLIVAN
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have the spreadsheet to prove it and everything!
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
believing you was #6 on my list of things to believe
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 15, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Star power doesnt win championships
Playing good baseball wins championships.
by Gamecockrock on Jul 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Well yeah
The point is that depth doesn’t matter in the playoffs anymore. It becomes more about the high-end talent.
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