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By gambling the public would never learn about the secret fines it issued to drivers for speaking out, NASCAR miscalculated and now looks worse than if it been up front about what officials viewed as damaging comments.
Associated Press reporter Jenna Fryer broke the bombshell story Monday evening that at least two star drivers had been fined as much as $50,000 for making comments disparaging NASCAR.
That was significant in that from chairman Brian France to president Mike Helton to spokesman Ramsey Poston, NASCAR has repeatedly said it wants the drivers to be themselves, show personality and give their opinions.
Right along with the "Have at it, boys" policy, this "Be yourselves" idea was sold to the public as part of the "new" NASCAR that listens to fans and loosens the reins on its drivers.
And everyone bought it. Until the last seven days, that is.
A week ago, "Have at it, boys" turned out to be "Have at it, boys...but only so much" when NASCAR issued Carl Edwards a 60-point penalty along with a fine for intentionally wrecking Brad Keselowski.
Suddenly, all the talk from NASCAR that it wanted drivers to police themselves rang a bit hollow.
Now, it's even worse.
Fryer's story that NASCAR is secretly fining drivers who dare to criticize the sport – while at the same time publicly asking drivers to give opinions and display personality – reeks of hypocrisy.
In NASCAR's view, it cannot allow drivers to make comments that might damage the sport's credibility when attendance and television ratings are already slumping.
And I can understand why spokesman Poston told Fryer in a statement confirming the fines that NASCAR wanted to "protect the sport's brand."
But the statement also said:
Any action taken by NASCAR has nothing to do with the drivers expressing an opinion – it's focused on actions or comments that materially damage the sport.
Therein lies the problem: Poston said the fines had nothing to do with the drivers giving their opinions, but that's simply incorrect.
After all, the drivers' opinions were the same "comments" NASCAR took to be ones that "materially damage the sport."
Fryer's story didn't reveal who was fined; undoubtedly, every star driver at Pocono this weekend will be asked by reporters if they were the ones who got penalized.
I don't know who NASCAR fined, but let's hypothetically use Denny Hamlin's comments about phantom debris cautions as an example.
Hamlin said yellow flags were used by NASCAR to tighten the field unnecessarily for the purpose of putting on a better show. That was his opinion, and many people agreed with him.
Now let's say (again, hypothetically) NASCAR viewed those comments as damaging to the sport and issued fines.
Will Hamlin speak out against NASCAR on that issue again (if he was indeed one of those who was fined)? No, because he would have gotten the message.
Will other drivers speak out against NASCAR if similar issues arise? No, because they saw what happened to the drivers who expressed those opinions.
So NASCAR, in effect, has quashed negative driver comments to the media and therefore prevented them from reaching the fans.
That wouldn't be dramatically different from some of the other major sports (see: NBA and Mark Cuban), except for this: All along, NASCAR has been filling those fans' ears with pledges that it wants drivers to be themselves and express how they feel.
But this means NASCAR is saying one thing and doing another. It means NASCAR wants drivers to give opinions, just as long as they don't say anything bad about NASCAR.
NASCAR can spin it how it wants and try to separate driver "opinions" from "comments that materially damage the sport." But the reality is, those opinions and damaging comments can be one and the same.
I understand NASCAR's position that having its drivers running around telling fans the sport is rigged is bad for business. If the sanctioning body chooses to take action and show its disagreement with those comments through a fine, I wouldn't completely agree, but that's NASCAR's prerogative.
Either way, the smart thing would have been to make the penalties public. Because when fines are issued behind closed doors, it has a cover-up feel: Shhh! You weren't supposed to tell them our secret!
NASCAR's biggest mistake in this situation was trying to pull a fast one on fans and media by penalizing drivers behind the public's back.
Because even if there was justification to protect the brand with a fine, NASCAR appears to have gone from "police yourselves" to "police state" in less than a week.
Comments
"police yourselves" to "police state"
I like that one Jeff! Good thoughts.
by Keith_KaGee on Jul 27, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
I think this is being blown out of proportion. It’s a common practice for any company to reprimand an employee or subcontactor for insubordination. There are days that I think my GM is a moron. However, I haven’t shared those thoughts with her or the media.
How many articles do journalists write blasting the entity they are reporting for? I can only imagine there would be some negative consequences.
I agree that NASCAR should have been up front about it, but not because they owe me transparancy (we see that never works out), but because it would save them this week’s PR fiasco.
by kwms on Jul 27, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
Miley
Kindof funny when drivers like Stewart get quiet. He has not said much this year.
by Miley Messersmith on Jul 27, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing it’s because he has more invested now that he’s an owner. Funny how perspectives can change. Looke at Kyle Busch :)
by kwms on Jul 29, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of driver opinion/comment…if NASCAR is losing fan support whether at the track or in the media, they have only themselves to blame. Not all fans are ignorant sheep easily led astray by ill-timed yet honest driver opinion.
I guess bottom line is, if the sport is suffering I don’t think it wise to lay blame at the feet of the drivers. Time to look within.
But it’s just my opinion.
by CRWatson on Jul 27, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
Molehills into mountains
Fines never shut Tony Stewart up, and the drivers I can think of who have given their opinions this year on things the fans were already saying, aren’t shrinking violets either. So I say, no effect.
As for the HAIB Policy. I really doubt it was meant as carte blanche for wrecking a guy for a win or open season on the officiating body. I have no problem with the organization’s continuing attempts to maintain order.
by DRLDeBoer on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
But Dale Earnhardt never got fined, docked points, or put on probation for knocking somebody out of the way for the win.
by Jessy S on Jul 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
While Tony himself may be a little quieter these days, it sorta seems to be Ryan speaks out more. Tony may ahve to watch himself as an owner, but as close as Tony and Ryan are, I don’t doubt what Ryan says is closely tied to the opinion of his boss. He can be the mouthpiece of the two and Tony can play the good owner. Just my thought…
by Labsnspots on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not sure i see a huge issue here, in any other line of work you wouldn’t talk disparagingly in public about the hand that feeds you and not expect some sort of reprimand.
I really don’t know why the public needs to know this, it isn’t really anyone’s business other than the people involved. (It is not an “on track” issue and doesn’t affect anything other than someone’s pocket book and mouth)
That being said Nascar’s public front this year has been horrible and it is easy to see why they are losing fans, there doesn’t seem to be any consistency with the product, things are said one day and seemingly forgotten about and contradicted the next.
Indy was the first race i have voluntarily not watched in a long time and i suspect there will be more to come
by RichyJ on Jul 27, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
As far as the Have at it boys policy, I think it was said by Kyle Petty best on Sunday on NASCAR RaceDay. NASCAR was policing a Carl and Brad issue, not a Have At It Boys issue. Of course, I also agreed with Carl that they should have fined Carl for wrecking Brad at Atlanta, which may have prevented Gateway. They should have set the precedent at running into people for position is okay, hundreds of laps apart is not.
As far as people in every day life being penalized for speaking against their employer to the media. It’s a little different as forms you signed probably state that you are not allowed to speak to the media about the company. This is routine in the corporate world if you are not an official company spokesperson.
However, as a NASCAR driver a critical part of their job is speaking to the media.
As a driver, I’d consider telling the media this week I wasn’t speaking to them because I didn’t want to risk a secret fine from NASCAR. Think that would send NASCAR a message?
by Jon Doble on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
Bah. Kyle, not Carl in my third sentence. That’s what I get for not reading it first. Haha.
by Jon Doble on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Nascar is NASCAR itself. Unflattering opinions of drivers aren’t needed to bring down this sport, the management of Nascar is doing a fine job of that already. Sounds a lot like the tactics of Carl Edwards. Do a cowardly deed and blame somebody elses actions for it.
by factfinder on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with the penalized issued to Carl (not so much Brad). I don’t see NASCAR stepping in with that issue that affects the “Have at it” policy. As Kyle Petty said on Race Day “It’s a Carl/Brad issue.” they didn’t step in betweent Johnson-Gordon. They didn’t step in between Logano-Harvick. Nor did they step in between Ky Busch- Burton or Ky Busch-Hamlin this year. All those fueds and ones I’m probably missing did not over step the boundaries of the “Have at it” policy. Carl and Brad have been on a collision course all season long it seems. It was only going to get worse and keep escalating. The last wreck took out 9 innocent cars. The next wreck could take out a heckuva lot more. It was time to tell them to stop. Granted it was mostly Carl that couldn’t deal accordingly, but that’s another blog.
I have an issue with hiding penalties, fines. It just arises the question “What else are they hiding?” We know that some of the internal workings of the sport will never come to public, but fines, penalties, etc. should. Fans deserve to know what drivers got in trouble and for what and why. I want to know why my favorite driver got in trouble for. I want to know why last week he was outspoken about subjects and now just goes through the motions, sugar coating every answer, kissing ass.
As someone mentioned above the drivers are saying nothing different than what the fans are saying themselves. Drivers are sometimes the porthole, I guess, to the NASCAR brass. I NASCAR should start listening to the drivers/fans and make changes. Drivers making negative comments about the sport are not the reason fans aren’t attending the races and tuning out on TV. If anything – they are the reason the rest of us are still watching.
You know what they say about secrets…they always have a way of coming out.
by jr88freak on Jul 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Like I said on Facebook on an article. The drivers are saying things that we are seeing and thinking. The things that are coming out of the drivers mouth is what we want to hear. They are confirming things we already know. NASCAR’s officials, presidents, and other top officials are turning us against the sport not the drivers.
by babygirl24jg on Jul 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
You know NASCAR is in trouble when...
This is the best option for a story.
There is no story here except that journalists miss out on material/stories because the names of those that were fined weren’t made public.
Off week + Indy + Pocono + Watkins Glen = Not much to write about.
by 4xLeft on Jul 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
Well it was confirmed today on NASCAR Now on ESPN2 that the two drivers that were fined Denny Hamlin and Ryan Newman. Newman was fine first and then Hamlin was fine around about after winning the Michigan race. I had figured Hamlin was one of the drivers. I was a little surprise that Newman was the other driver. Well he is outspoken about issues in the sport. And who can blame them. The drivers are not making me mad at the sport, it is NASCAR.
by babygirl24jg on Jul 28, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
VERY GOOD reporting!!!!
Thanks again Jeff for all you do for us!
by NY17NE14 on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Great Article
It just shows that NASCAR’s sanctioning body is it’s worst enemy. You know when Big Bill was around there were no such issues. I wonder why all this is now appearing? I believe it comes down to one common denominator and I am pretty sure everyone can figure out who that is.
by 88_JuneBug on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
Don't blame Jeff Gluck
To those who are blaming Jeff Gluck for Hamlin’s fine, get a grip. A reporters job is to ask questions and when the answers surprise the reporter he has to ask follow-up questions for clarification.
I agreed with Denny and his comments. Nascar uses phantom caution flags when it suits their needs. They cater to their favorite drivers and long time sponsors.
HMS is like the Yankees and the Lakers.
The All Star Voting is a joke and if anyone would seriously investigate it, we’d have a real story on our hands.
I better stop now before Nascar finds a way to levy fines on their fans.
by napagirl on Jul 31, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
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