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With Apologies To Randy Edsall, The Big East Remains Mostly Harmless

UConn head coach Randy Edsall's claim that the Big East is "as strong as any conference in the country" defies even the basest logic. But you knew that.

Jul 29, 2010 - The Big East is generally the butt of every major-college football joke that doesn't end with an ACC-related punchline or a charming anecdote about the SEC and meth. Its doom as a conference has been prophesied even by its logical supporters. So it does take some gumption for UConn's head coach to proclaim the following to a national media outlet:

Hayden (Logan, Utah): what do you say to people who think the big east is weak?
Randy Edsall: I say, look at our non-conference schedule. Look at our bowl records over the last few years. From top to bottom, the Big East is as strong as any conference in the country, when you look at the eight teams and how competitive it is each and every week.

It is perfectly fine that Randy Edsall believes this, or professes to. He seems like a likable dude, and handled last year's many Husky-related crises with grace and aplomb. It is right and good that he should shill for his conference when it's getting too-rare attention from the big-boy television powers. Along those same lines, it is a slow night, and is totally within bounds for me to unpack his statement with the delicious power of selective math:

 

"[Look] at our non-conference schedule." Not knowing whether he means us to examine the Big East's W/L record or quality of opponents, let's look at both.

The Big East's record in out-of-conference games against teams from BCS conferences over last six years is  54-63. That 46.2% victory rate is the second-worst of the Big Six conferences, besting only the Big Ten. The conference's overall OOC record  in that same timespan was 142-77, fourth among major conferences.

Here's a handy list of the Big East's non-conference opponents for 2010. Currently ranked teams are in bold; teams from divisions below I-A are italicized.

•  Cincinnati: Fresno State, Indiana State, North Carolina State, Oklahoma, Miami (OH)
•  UConn: Michigan, Texas Southern, Temple, Buffalo, Vanderbilt
•  Louisville: Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Oregon State, Arkansas State, Memphis
•  Pitt: Utah, New Hampshire, Miami, FIU, Notre Dame
•  Rutgers: Norfolk State, FIU, North Carolina, Tulane, Army
•  South Florida: Stony Brook, Florida, Western Kentucky, Florida Atlantic, Miami
•  Syracuse: Akron, Washington, Maine, Colgate, Boston College
•  West Virginia: Coastal Carolina, Marshall, Maryland, LSU, UNLV

This raises the question: When Edsall spoke so glowingly of the non-conference slates, did he mean to tout their quality in a relative or absolute sense? Every conference plays its share of cupcake games, but he perhaps should wait to preen over a tough schedule for a year when the Huskies aren't facing Texas Southern, Buffalo, and Vanderbilt.

Using last season's final rankings to determine opponent quality for next year is premature, of course. But the above-highlighted teams all have reasonable expectations for continued success this year. The point being, the entire Big East, combined, will play a currently-ranked team six (6) times in 2010. If we add in teams with the potential to perhaps climb into the polls by the time they face a Big East squad (generously: Oregon State, North Carolina, Boston College, and Washington), that number climbs to ten, barely edging out the number of games to be played against teams from below Division I-A (nine).



"Look at our bowl records over the last few years." The Big East does have the claim to fame of going 5-0 in postseason play in 2006, and their record in the intervening years of 11-6 is second only to the SEC's. However, the conference has been invited to fewer bowls in the past three years than any other Big Six league, and last year's play in particular is very much a case of quantity over quality. Six of eight Big East teams received bowl bids, and the two most prestigious games were sore disappointments: West Virginia and Cincinnati lost the Sugar and Gator Bowls by a combined margin of 39 points. The four teams in minor bowls all managed wins.



"[Look] at the eight teams and how competitive it is each and every week."
Three teams from the Big East finished in the top 25 last year. Two teams lost twice as many games as they won. Every conference has its dominant forces and lollygaggers, but "top to bottom," a nationally competitive unit this ain't.

So, what do you say to those who think the Big East is a weak outfit? Tell the Florida Internationals and the minor bowl organizers to sleep with one eye open, is what you say. THASSRIGHT.

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Pretty sure their 13 point win over South Carolina was more than 4 points. I’ll check my math though. :-p

by OrangeBritches on Jul 29, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

MATH IS HARD OKAY

(fixed, thanks)

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, South Florida won their bowl game 27-3

It was over Northern Illinois, though, so it’s understandable that sheer apathy could cause a mistake.

TheUConnBlog.com

Orange Bowl/dual Final Fours or bust in 2011. We're going all-in.

by Kevin Meacham on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame cold meds, actually.

This is the kind of sick shit one is reduced to coming up with when bloggers are confined to bed for days on end.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, now the ill-begotten sentence says “Pitt and Rutgers”, when really it’s only Pitt’s bowl game that was a close win for the Big East. I feel as if this minor, only half-important mistake will detract from my enjoyment of college football for years to come.

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Orange Bowl/dual Final Fours or bust in 2011. We're going all-in.

by Kevin Meacham on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It took me this long to figure out what I did

which was to flip my “good win” and “bad win” columns when putting this thing together. In the interest of time, I’m just deleting the damn thing. THIS WAS FUN WHEN I STARTED.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FACT CHECKING, HOW DOES IT WORK?

UConn won their bowl game 20-7 (that’s by more than four points), USF won 27-3 (that too), West Virginia played in the Gator Bowl, Cincinnati played in the Sugar Bowl, there’s no way Big East teams played 117 out of conference games against BCS teams in six years, and I don’t know how UConn would have an out of conference record where they themselves played 209 GAMES in six years.

That doesn’t even get into the more subjective but still rather obvious point that three out of eight teams finishing in the top 25 is pretty good. And of course the Big East would have fewer teams in bowls when they have fewer teams in their league than anyone else.

We get it. You think our league sucks. That’s fine, I don’t expect to compare favorably to the ESS EEE CEE. But at least make your case properly.

P.S. Why include 2004 when three of the eight current teams weren’t even there yet, and Miami and VT had already gone to the ACC? I suppose because it makes the league look worse?

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by Jamie DeVriend on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Good lord, we cannot put a foot right without making a typo tonight. Antihistamines to blame. Sneeze.

Re: The 117 — I’m working off a spreadsheet from another SBN writer here, and there’s no way I’m going back to count, but it’s perfectly possible. That’s teams from BCS conferences we’re talking about, mind, not teams that went on to play in BCS bowl games. It averages out to between two and three major-conference opponents per Big East team per season, which is a reasonable estimate with five OOC games apiece every year. Every school but Rutgers hits that mark next season with their current schedules.

And who said the Big East sucks? This isn’t a hit piece. The Sun Belt sucks. (Sorry, Sun Belt.) Edsall, whom we like very much, said a very silly thing, and we noodled with it on an incredibly slow night. Fin.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALSO

Am staunch West Virginia fan, for the record, on my momma’s side, and would never hate on them. Had we been talking bowl games of certain other years this would be a different story entirely. /runawaybeertruck’d

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know of your WFVU fandom.

And I don’t want to be too much of an ass here, because God knows I’ll write something ridiculous one day and people will cyber-yell at me about it.

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by Jamie DeVriend on Jul 29, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had hoped that the headline and conclusion of this

would convey light-heartedness. If it had been Wannstedt on ESPN running his mouth this would’ve been much more fun to write.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVERY LEAGUE SHOULD HAVE TURKEY INSEMINATORS THEY ARE THE BEST

Still a little starry-eyed. From Vanderbilt’s press conference. Go figure.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Leave out Scarlet

RUTGERS HAS WON THEIR LAST FOUR BOWL GAMES

by ruhoopsfan on Aug 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holly

We get it…the SEC cheats waaaaaay better the the Big East but yet Spurrier was still Edsall’s boy last December. Cincy’s post season loss to UF has to be looked at within context of what was happening within their program. Also, the Big East’s BCS record (since 2004) was skewed by Syracuse’s horrible stretch…BTW, they are puking and rallying. Once Cuse gets back up to speed it will give the BE another traditional college power to lead the way.

I bet UT wishes they could play a less strenuous OOC schedule this year…I see 5-7 for UT this year and Knoxville will not be happy at XMas time.

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by TexanMark on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Tennessee's schedule, actually,

with one exception: The Vols are playing a AA school (Tennessee-Martin) for the first time since 1983. Shameful. If we have to get another in-state game going, I want to play MTSU, which at least fields a decent team.

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by Holly Anderson on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

edsall is chicken

he canceled a series with Navy after the Mids beat the shit out of them back in 2006

by GoalieLax on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

What a horrible blog entry

“the conference has been invited to fewer bowls in the past three years than any other Big Six league”

That’s because the conference only contains 8 teams! 6 bowl games is 75% of the conference!!!

“Three teams from the Big East finished in the top 25 last year.”

How does this help your stupid argument? That is 37.5% of the conference, THE BEST PERCENTAGE IN THE COUNTRY. 63% of the Big East finished in the Top 35, which DWARFS EVERY OTHER CONFERENCE!! The next best was the SEC at 50%, then the Big 12 and ACC at 42%. EDSALL IS RIGHT!!!

How many ranked teams are other conferences playing? You forgot to include that in your ignorant bashfest.

There are so many things wrong with your article, Holly. Please don’t quit your day job.

by Wayne_Arnold on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Edsall was only defending his conference, which is entirely understandable. His overall interview was very good, though, and you can see why many programs are interested in him.

Art Modell gives me a hard one

by gahnki on Jul 30, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow… this is probably the worst example of communication in the history of the English language. No fact checking whatsoever, no perspective, and the excuse of using cold medicine to boot! Please, Holly. If you ever have another thought pop into your head again, please use some restraint and refrain from sharing it with the rest of the world.

by runick on Jul 31, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Rutgers

I am a huge Rutgers fan, and I have to disagree with you and agree with Edsall. The Big East is tough. Pitt is a powerhouse and Rutgers can be. Their non-conference schedule is a little weak, but North Carolina can determine their season. Pitt has Miami, Notre Dame, and Utah.

Rutgers has won their last four bowl games, including a blow out over Kansas State and a comeback victory over a red hot NC State team.

by ruhoopsfan on Aug 8, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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