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Is Eli Manning Better Than Peyton? And Other Questions Following Championship Sunday

Is Eli Manning better than Peyton? Looking back at the day that was and forward to the Super Bowl with that question and six others from Sunday.

Jan 22, 2012 - Get ready to see the David Tyree catch over and over. And over. Super Bowl XLVI is 2008 again.

Well, not really, but the Giants and Patriots are back in the Super Bowl, a rematch of the classic Super Bowl XLII. Our worlds will shrink to the distance between Boston and New York, and consumers of sports media will spend the next two weeks in a time machine.

We've got plenty of time to relive the game from five years ago and overanalyze this year's game in Indianapolis. For now, here's seven questions to consider before you get so tired of hype that the best part of the Super Bowl will be that it's over.

1. The Packers defense wasn't good enough to get to a Super Bowl...but the Patriots' was?

I've seen the shows where, retroactively, pundits and experts said there was no way a defense as bad as Green Bay's could make the Super Bowl, let alone win. I may or may not be one of those pundits (I honestly can't remember).

So that means the action will be heavy on the Giants, right? Or maybe, before, we just needed something to talk about.

2. So does Joe Flacco get a certificate or something?

Wanna see the limitations of evaluating a quarterback purely in terms of wins and losses? Flacco got the ball with two timeouts and 1:44 on the clock and took his team down the field. He picked apart a secondary that prominently featured a wide receiver we'd never heard of two years ago. Then, he put the ball right in Lee Evans' hands, only to have it knocked out by a former practice squad player. The next play, he does his best to throw the game away and was nearly picked off. Next comes Billy Cundiff's induction into infamy.

So did he do his part? He was as close to doing so as he was to undoing it all. It was his best postseason performance. He outplayed Brady and did as much as anyone could ask a quarterback to do. But next January, if Baltimore reaches the postseason, they'll have to answer one question: can Joe Flacco win the big one?

Sure, that makes sense.

3. How hard must it be to be a professional placekicker?

It looks simple. It can't be that hard. But there are only 32 NFL placekicking jobs, and there never seems to be enough qualified applicants to fill them all. And no matter the circumstances, short of a blocked kick, misses are their fault. At the biggest moments, they face the most pressure, even though they're probably the least equipped to handle it.

Cundiff blew it. He missed a kick he should have made. But he can confidently say no one else on his sideline could have done any better.

4. Did Peyton Manning pick a bad year to sit out or what?

Of course, this wasn't Peyton's preference, but look at everything that's happened. The Colts have the No. 1 pick and privilege of selecting the one prospect, maybe the only one in the last 25 years, who would guarantee Manning won't play for Indianapolis next year. Tom Brady, his chief rival, reached his fifth Super Bowl. And now, people are actually considering whether little brother Eli is better than him. Or would be better if he won a Super Bowl. Either way, Eli could bypass the "same sentence" as Peyton and go straight to the head of the family. Sure Peyton's rooting for the Giants? That makes me think you've never met any middle children.

5. But really, is Eli better?

His best doesn't approach Peyton's. His worst is lower than his brother's. Two of Eli's teams came together at the absolute right time, but he's got as many seasons quarterbacking teams to less than 10 wins (two) as Peyton had in four more seasons. Eli may have better timing, but there isn't a soul who would have traded him for his older brother before this season. Not even a second Super Bowl MVP would vault No. 10 over a sure-fire Hall of Famer.

Eli has two overtime road wins in classic NFC Championship games. But not even those moments trump the body of Peyton Manning's 13-year body of work.

6. I'm sorry, was there some mystery as to whether Ray Lewis was going to play next season?

Don't you remember what Lewis said would happen if the lockout took the game away from people?

"Evil," he told ESPN's Sal Paolontonio, "which is what we call ‘crime.'" When asked why, Ray responded immediately.

"There's nothing else to do, Sal."

Now, ask yourself: do you need football more than Ray Lewis? Well, he thought you'd start a crime wave without it. And you think he was just going to walk away? Now?

My guess is he'll play until he physically can't get on the field. Then, he'll be on the team until someone gets the courage to tell him he's been released. Which could be another two years.

7. Madonna's not gonna wear anything scandalous at the Super Bowl, is she?

I know it's two weeks away, but seriously, whose idea was this? We're stuck with dinosaur acts at halftime because Janet and Justin messed it up for everyone. But it's stuff like the wardrobe malfunction is why anyone wanted to see Madonna perform in her prime. Now, in her twilight? Seriously, whose idea was this?

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but Eli’s not in Peyton’s conversation yet. And maybe never. But saying it now is just the knee jerk nonsense that had people saying Rodgers would be the greatest qb ever.
He may, but those judgements shouldn’t be made until everyone’s retired and we can look at their body of work without recency biases

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by Willgfass on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

TBH Rodgers' season was revolutionary

I mean, if you exclude throwaways and drops his completion percentage was something like 80% and he was making throws that people dream of on a consistent basis.

Of course, it’s about consistency and it’ll be intriguing to see if he can dissect defenses in the way he did this season for the rest of his career, but if he does I wouldn’t have a problem saying he’s an all time great at QB.

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by Infemous on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh definitely

Rodgers had a top 4 single season in all of NFL history, up there with Peyton in 04, Brady in 07, and Marino whenver he set the original records.

Let’s see how the careers play out though

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by Willgfass on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was SO hoping the Ravens would win that game, just to knock out Brady and the Pats

and … to further dispel the myth that one must have an “elite QB” to win the big games

Flacco is far from elite, same with Eli for that matter … both prove that it’s a TEAM sport, and defense is still relevant to the game

with that: Go G-Men!

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by upamtn on Jan 22, 2012 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

To say Eli isn't elite

is absolutely ridiculous. He has EASILY been the best player in the playoffs and continues to show why the Giants were smart in trading for him draft day. Eli Manning has that IT factor.

by sexyscottish on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bah, Eli overtakes Peyton with a win

2 SB Rings to 1

Plus the Chicago team that Peyton beat was easily one of the worst teams to make the big game of the last decade.

Peyton’s regular season dominance is overshadowed by his poor playoff performances, and much like the Pats undefeated season will be largely forgotten in the years to come.

Hell, while Peyton’s all time playoff QB rating is 6 points lower then his regular season QB rating, Eli’s all time playoff QB Rating is 6 points higher then his regular season QB Rating.

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by Mark D on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 AM EST reply actions  

i think Peyton's regular season legacy will always be the benchmark

but Eli’s post season legacy, especially if he wins, will be untouchable in the annals of NFL history. Dude is probably the most clutch QB ever.

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by Infemous on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You are absolutely right

Second guesses are not even worth a dime z dozen. Bottom line, Cundiff missed what should be a chip shot for a pro kicker. That is the only “should of” about this.

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by PullManiac on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Peyton is a better QB when the pressure's not on (aka during the season).

when the pressure is own Peyton usually folds while Eli shines (last few games to clinch a wildcard, last drive of the game, etc)

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by T.Holmes on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, his two superbowl rings would be untouchable?

Uhmm, have you ever heard of Tom Brady? Brady is considered the most clutch QB ever. As to Eli being better than Peyton…NEVER.

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by Efury on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Brady who?

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Paytonte does not sound very good

Eli might have more Superbowls then Payron in 2 weeks, who would have through that?

Manning wins quite a few games in Indi I heard

by a hay on Jan 23, 2012 4:39 AM EST reply actions  

I can't really blame Cundiff

Why doesn’t Harbaugh use that timeout to let his field goal team get set up?

by CMDR on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

he'd get crucified for icing his own kicker if he missed it

and everyone in their right mind would do anything to deflect blame from themselves if it meant it’d potentially cost you an AFC Championship.

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by Infemous on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

With 3rd and 1, why are you giving the ball to Flacco instead of Ray Rice?

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think point 7 is the most important

whoever is in charge of the halftime show needs to get fired or get relevent.

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by Infemous on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Eli even by winning another Super Bowl will not be considered a better QB than Peyton.

Let’s take a look at their careers.

Peyton Manning:
11× Pro Bowl selection
5× First-team All-Pro selection
3× Second-team All-Pro selection
4× AP NFL MVP
6× AFC Player of the Year
Pro Bowl MVP
Super Bowl Champion (XLI)
Super Bowl MVP (XLI)
2× AFC Champion (2006, 2009)

Eli Manning:
2x Pro Bowl selection (2008, 2011)
Super Bowl XLII Champion
Super Bowl MVP (XLII)

At the end of the day Eli’s career even if he gets another Super Bowl will still be overshadowed by other better QBs who’ve won more. However, Peyton even with one Super Bowl ring is already considered an all time great in the ranks of Tom Brady even though he does not possess as many rings.

If Peyton would have had more talent surrounding him in Indianapolis he would have accomplished even more. How do I come to this conclusion? What happen to the Colts after they lost Manning? Their shitty quality of a team came to fruition, that’s what happen.

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by Efury on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

More Talent?

The Colts had Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Pollard, Clark, Saturday…

How much more talent did he need?

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

All around talent.

Their defense has been shit and even when they won the Super Bowl it was considered to be shitty.

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by Efury on Jan 25, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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