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Georges St. Pierre Should Fight Nick Diaz, Not Anderson Silva

After a lackluster performance at UFC 129 against Jake Shields, interest in a superfight between Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva has faded. The UFC should shake things up and have St. Pierre face Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz.

May 1, 2011 - I attended the UFC 129: St. Pierre vs. Silva post-fight press conference last night and heard something noteworthy. To my left was Lyoto Machida's brother Shinzo and the rest of the former champion's team. Standing to my right were both Nick and Nate Diaz as well as Gilbert Melendez. While the younger Diaz brother and Strikeforce lightweight champion seemed uninterested in the proceedings, Nick Diaz stuck around quietly commenting to his boxing coach Richard Perez on the topics brought up in the presser.

A question was posed from a Brazilian journalist to UFC President Dana White about the future prospects of George St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva. The nature of the question doesn't matter. White's response mirrored other recent statements on the matter. Namely, the fight's never been discussed by the parties as a serious possibility and there's still other fights available for both Silva and GSP in their respective weight classes.

That's when I heard Nick Diaz quietly say as if to suggest "why not me?" the following simple statement: "I want to fight George St. Pierre."

I want Nick Diaz to fight Georges St. Pierre, too.

I understand the impulse to make Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva. There's a natural gravitational pull between GSP and Anderson Silva. They're both pound-for-pound greats, which makes side-by-side comparisons inevitable. They're also only a weight class apart, meaning the possibility of a clash isn't completely impossible. They're also both on such a streak of taking out contenders in their own divisions that the prospect of them fighting one another is as much fantasy as it is necessity.

The reality, though, is that what's underpinning the match is artificial. There's no clear reason to have the fight short of experiencing promotional grandeur or settling debate about a standard of accomplishment most consider figurative at best, incoherent or meaningless at worst.

While the magnitude of St. Pierre vs. Silva would raise the profile of the sport, the fight is meaningless in the classical sense. It would serve almost exclusively as a promotional opportunity for the UFC brand or the sport more generally, but does nothing to flesh out divisional hierarchy. There's admittedly a precedent in combat sport of fights that exist outside the strict purview of establishing contendership. Those fights, however, don't require arguably the sport's two best competitors to sacrifice themselves on the altar of entertainment. Matchmaking for entertainment purposes can force fighters to skew weight classes, but not when both competitors are the sports' top luminaries.

GSP vs. Silva is often described as MMA's Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather, but that isn't really an apt comparison. Pacquiao and Mayweather are the two best fighters in the sport, but also fight at welterweight or junior welterweight. They are on a collision course precisely because they are in the same natural division. With GSP and Silva, there has to be weight class gerrymandering across a spread of 15 pounds.

As for Nick Diaz, his situation is limited. There are very few contenders in Strikeforce for him to face, even fewer that are high caliber. But he's a Showtime fighter, as Dana White called him last night. He's contractually locked up and that's that.

Or is it? White also said last night if he wanted to, he could do whatever he wanted with Strikeforce fighters. I've repeated ad nauseum that removing key Strikeforce fighters from the brand - even temporarily - would profoundly damage the roster integrity and Strikeforce brand power. But I've probably overstated that claim. Diaz isn't beloved necessarily because his supporters believe he's the best in the world. They love him because of his near reckless style. They also know that despite his caution to the wind approach and wrestling liabilities, he has the capability of beating the best when he rises to the occasion. Besides, who is not going to watch Diaz defend his Strikeforce titles simply because he lost to St. Pierre in the UFC? St. Pierre may have fans, but Diaz has followers.

After last night's lackluster performance, I'm beginning to get the feeling St. Pierre may have regressed slightly. It's hard to tell how much the eye injury affected performance. I'm inclined to believe it had a considerable impact, but it's also hard to deny there's no strain of conservatism to his fights. St. Pierre can elect to fight however he pleases, but we shouldn't pretend that influence is absent.

I like St. Pierre to defeat Diaz, but I like Diaz to shake St. Pierre up. Even in defeat, Diaz makes for dirty, gritty, hard-nosed battles. He simply won't allow St. Pierre to jab his way to evasiveness. He won't allow St. Pierre to rest on top control with superior takedowns. St. Pierre will have to work in every position and he'll have to work against a born fighter taunting him for his inadequacies.

Promotionally, the fight would be a hit. The rugged Diaz against the polished champion makes for a natural sellable storyline. And Diaz's ability to play the nonchalant malcontent who can morph into the fighting dynamo keeps his threat to St. Pierre real; that's something Shields lacked throughout this promotional process.

I don't know precisely the contractual hurdles that prevent this fight from happening, but if they can be cleared they should. St. Pierre has other challengers at welterweight; challengers that benefit the UFC bottomline, excite the fan base and give St. Pierre the kind of pushback he could frankly use. Diaz needs welterweights to fight who can both more than make for a fun first round.

And Anderson Silva? Let him fight middleweights.

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You have a bit of a typo up there. You said you were at the St. Pierre/Silva post fight press conference. Sorry, I hate doing that.

I’d much rather see Diaz fight GSP than the proposed super fight. I’m still not convinced that it won’t be a demolition by Silva, and besides that, it seems that GSP isn’t all that interested in it so why make him feel uncomfortable enough that he feels he has to do it? As far as GSP regressing, I find it hard to believe that has happened but I guess if he’s falling into the complacency trap it’s possible. I believe that Diaz has the tools to frustrate and inflict damage upon GSP. Georges would be the favorite, considerably I’m sure, but this would be one fight that I’d say the challenger actually has a good shot at dethroning the champ.

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by dedstrk316 on May 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like the GSP Diaz fight would be a lot like GSP Silva just at a bigger class

Think about it Both Diaz and Silva are mainly strikers with real good ground games. It would be interesting to see how GSP would handle taking Diaz down to his back where he is really comfortable or standing with Diaz. The same would apply to Silva.

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by MaZZacare on May 1, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

A St.Pierre/Silva fight would not be meaningless. In fact, it would be meaningful on the largest scale possible. It would crown the greatest fighter in mixed martial arts history. Is there messy subjectivity in that statement? Sure, but even in individual divisions, one can not completely separate subjectivity from rankings. Also, implicit in the article is the idea that weight classes are distinct entities, and that the accomplishments of fighters can not be evaluated from the perspective of the sport being an intregated whole. The flaw in this thinking is underlined by the example that is used to support it. Pacqiuao and Mayweather may be in the same weight class, but that is only because Pacqiuao has aggressively moved up weight classes again and again. His experience lays waste to the idea that meaning in combat sports can only be determined in relation to divisional hierarchy. Great fighters can transcend divisions, and great fights can too.

by TheRage on May 1, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Pacquiao is moving up in weight because he’s getting larger. He couldn’t make 130 if his life depended on it.

“Sure, but even in individual divisions, one can not completely separate subjectivity from rankings”

There’s a sliding scale, chief. We’re not going to throw the baby out with the bath water, but the contendership line in divisions is a much more real thing – as evidenced by titles, title shots and more than a vague notion of climbing a ladder within a weight class.

Getting GSP to fight Silva at 178lbs would inarguably be huge for fans and the sport itself, but what you’ll be able to glean from such an obviously contorted, force meeting is little. Weight classes are arbitrary by mark and yet very real by home. Fighters adapt their entire careers, generally, around a number that best suits their bodies and abilities. 178lbs for GSP and Silva is grossly outside of that range. The concept of what it means to have “GSP” fight “Silva” at that point is partially lost. It would in no way crown the greatest martial arts fighter ever. That is pure fantasy. Forcing fighters to compete outside of their natural circumstances this far raises all kinds of questions about performance, ability, etc. You’ll raise as many questions with the outcome as you do the fight itself.

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by Luke Thomas on May 2, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson's camp even said

he’d be willing to make a 175 lb. catchweight happen. Hell, he weighed 182 for the Leites fight and didn’t look particularly drawn out.

If GSP isn’t willing to do some deadlifts and eat his pasta for a few months while Anderson takes care of the Okami business, in order to make the biggest fight in the history of the sport happen, then I really will consider him to be a coward. And I have always been staunchly opposed to calling GSP anything close to that.

This fight isn’t superficial at all. It would be a true superfight between the 2 men with the strongest case for best ever in the history of our sport. BJ Penn didn’t lose significant status when he was crushed by St. Pierre, and neither would Georges in a loss to Anderson.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

“If GSP isn’t willing to do some deadlifts and eat his pasta for a few months while Anderson takes care of the Okami business, in order to make the biggest fight in the history of the sport happen, then I really will consider him to be a coward.”

Most unreasonable position ever? Eat pasta and do deadlifts? I’m just going to assume you don’t want a serious response since this is not a serious suggestion.

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by Luke Thomas on May 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

“Eat pasta and do deadlifts” meant use a proper diet and strength regimen to gain some muscle.

Aside from that slightly joking phrase, the rest of what I said stands. Georges REALLY isn’t that much smaller than Anderson. He is 5’11 to Silva’s 6’2, but has a much thicker bone structure and muscular build than Anderson.

Maybe coward is too strong a word to use, but it will definitely display an unwillingness to challenge himself and fight the best competition available to bolster his legacy, his celebrity, and his bank account.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 3, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP next fight

I was wrong about the fight,but was right about GSP/Silva not happening.Diaz/GSP is the fight to book,an in fact this fight will keep Nick Diaz from wanting to do Pro Boxing.

by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on May 1, 2011 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The Diaz fight is interesting,

but I don’t get what this line is about protecting Diaz against wrestlers to save him for a fight with GSP. I don’t think he belongs in the cage, wasting Georges’ time if he can’t handle someone who can implement takedowns and successful top control.

Woodley has worked his way up the Strikeforce ladder and is by far the best challenger they have for Diaz. A catchweight bout with Mayhem would’ve been fun, but he’s now in the UFC. I honestly don’t think Diaz should ever get to fight GSP until he can display that he can overcome a strong top control grappler. Woodley is perfect to this end, and if Diaz waits too long, and allows Tyrone to keep improving and developing, the window of opportunity for him to ever beat him will close. Woodley is only getting better, might as well try to derail him early in his career.

One thing that people fail to mention about Diaz’ fights against strong wrestler/ top control fighters is that they are all wildly entertaining. He’s had some fun slugfests lately, but I for one wouldn’t mind seeing him in a classic mat scrap against a powerhouse like Woodley.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

The Diaz fight is interesting, what happen to the Gsp Nutthugger vs Anderson

Anderson would kick Gsp face off.
Well now people must see Gsp had no chance against the spider and he’s not in the same class of fighting sorry,

And nick vs Gsp i really dont care if they fight or who wins , neither one could fight or beat Anderson Silva so , let it be known that Anderson is the best and its all about his next opponent , forget Gsp he’s as boring as ever now , but i’m still a fan , but i dont care if Nicks fights Gsp boring fight card

The Diaz fight is interesting, what happen to the Gsp Nutthugger vs Anderson

by 1#RaptorsFan on May 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Diaz/GSP would be a great fight for the UFC.

It would probably be a nail in the coffin of Strikeforce, and that might be in the works, anyway.

Let’s not get too carried away with the hierarchy thing – probably one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the UFC so much. You and others have made the point numerous times; Diaz hasn’t fought top competition consistently in recent years. That’s mainly a product of being in the thin talent pool of Strikeforce. I wouldn’t regard him as better than Fitch, Kos, Alves, or probably Penn.

The real reasons for the fight are that GSP didn’t look dominant against Shields which takes some of the steam out of a fight with Silva, Diaz is an interesting figure, Diaz is maybe the only fighter toward the top of the welterweight pyramid who GSP hasn’t beaten, and the recent consensus has been that Diaz would make it into an interesting scrap.

I thought GSP/Diaz would have been a more interesting fight than the one with Shields before UFC 129. So really, it’s more of a stylistic/marketing deal than it is a hierarchy thing.

by Cannon Jacques on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

GSP/Diaz

We talk about this nd this is the omly fight that makes sense now for both fighters.

by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on May 4, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Have to disagree with you there Terrence.

The Anderson fight makes alot more sense for GSP, provided Silva takes care of Okami.

GSP/ Diaz is not a superfight, it’s a mismatch as far as i’m concerned. Diaz’ best win in years was Daley, who dropped him twice. But the fact of the matter is that they’ve all been hand selected opponents. Diaz hasn’t fought one competent takedown/ top control fighter since Sherk, and obviously plans on ducking anyone who can implement that game plan on him.

I know everyone loves Nick Diaz, and I do too, but until he displays an ability to overcome a top position grappler with sufficient takedowns, then I have no interest in seeing him fight GSP over Anderson. Anderson has at least shown that he can beat top position grapplers at a high level.

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by ElliotMatheny on May 4, 2011 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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