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For all of the pre-draft speculation, the 2012 NBA Draft came and went without a blockbuster trade. No current NBA superstars switched teams and despite plenty of rumors, no top-10 picks were traded. However, despite the lack of a blockbuster move, there were still plenty of draft day trades on Thursday.
Miami tades Arnett Moultrie to Philadephia for Justin Hamilton and a future first-round pick:
The Heat selected Moultrie with the No. 27 pick before they traded him to the 76ers for the No. 45 pick, which turned into Hamilton and a future first-round selection.
Sacramento trades Orlando Johnson to Indiana for cash considerations:
The Kings selected Johnson with the No. 36 pick before dealing him away for cash.
Dallas trades Tyler Zeller and Kelenna Azubuike to Cleveland for Jared Cunningham, Bernard James and Jae Crowder:
Dallas used the No. 17 pick to select Zeller then traded him along with veteran Azubuike to Cleveland for three picks. The No. 24 pick turned into Cunningham with James taken at No. 33 and Crowder No. 34.
Philadelphia trades Tornike Shengelia to Brooklyn for cash considerations:
The 76ers made their second deal of draft night when they used the No. 54 pick on Shengelia before shipping him to Brooklyn for cash.
Portland trades Tyshawn Taylor to Brooklyn for cash considerations:
Brooklyn bought a second pick of the night when they traded cash to Portland for Taylor, who was the No. 41 pick.
Dallas trades Darius Johnson-Odom to the Los Angeles Lakers for cash considerations:
This deal was not as big as Dallas' five-player trade earlier, but the Mavs picked up some cash when they sent the No. 55 pick to the Lakers. This pick originally belonged to Los Angeles, but they sent it to Dallas in the Lamar Odom trade.
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Heading into Thursday's NBA draft, only one thing was for sure. We knew New Orleans would select Anthony Davis, but between trade rumors and other speculation the other 59 picks were a toss up. The NBA draft didn't disappoint with plenty of wheeling and dealing and even a shocker pick or two. Below is the full list of all 60 players selected.
First round:
Second round:
In all, it was a usually wacky NBA draft. There were 10 picks swapped during the draft. Two players named Terrence were taken in the first round. Two players named Quincy were selected back-to-back in the second round and like to cap the night off Knicks fans in attendance left disappointed.
While many agents would rather their players go undrafted and pick their team rather than go at the end of the second round, being drafted is still something the players can tell their grandkids about one day.
This year, Robert Sacre (Gonzaga) got the dubious honor of being the NBA's "Mr. Irrelevant" when he was taken No. 60 overall by the L.A. Lakers. He doesn't have to look far for inspiration, as Isaiah Thomas, last year's "Mr. Irrelevant," not only made the Sacramento Kings roster, but started the majority of the season.
Sacre, a 7'0", 260-pound center who is reasonably coordinated and not completely unathletic, has a decent chance to make an NBA roster. Yes, these are the standards that 7'0" have to meet to play in the best basketball league in the world.
As always, there are several players who went undrafted who may end up as solid NBA players: William Buford (Ohio State), Drew Gordon (New Mexico), Kevin Jones (West Virginia), Scott Machado (Iona), Terrell Stoglin (Maryland), Henry Sims (Georgetown) and JaMychal Green (Alabama).
And with that, it's over. Goodnight, New Jersey!
The Portland Trail Blazers entered the 2012 NBA draft in position to add two key components to their roster. With the No. 6 and No. 11 picks, the team had the opportunity to add two new stars.
Portland used the No. 6 pick to select Damian Lillard and took Meyers Leonard with the No. 11 pick. Judging by reaction on SB Nation's Trail Blazers blog Blazers Edge, their fans were less than satisfied.
On the Lillard selection:
"With Harrison Barnes available? Not happy with the pic honestly." - Loudpackiao
"Bayless 2.0... Great... Not happy about this one." - THEvanCOUVErite
On the Leonard selection:
"Ugggghhhhh Hate this pick" - RipCityTCS
"Ugh. I'm officially depressed." - howlingfantods
One Blazers Edge summed up the Portland draft with this"
"Not a very sexy Blazers Draft. Gotta trust the powers that be I guess." -
William Nelson
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The 2012 NBA draft is nearing a conclusion with the last few picks coming off the board. While not all of these players will make NBA rosters or even come over from Europe, hearing their name called is still a thrill of a lifetime.
With the No. 56 pick in the draft, the Toronto Raptors selected Tomislav Zubcic a forward from Croatia. Zubcic last played for Cibona Zagreb.
The Brooklyn Nets also went international with the No. 57 pick, selecting Ilkan Karaman from Turkey. Karaman is a 22-year-old 6'10" power forward.
The Minnesota Timberwolves broke the string of international players when they selected Robbie Hummel from Purdue. Hummel, a power forward, battled numerous injuries throughout his collegiate career.
With the No. 59 pick of the 2012 draft, the San Antonio Spurs selected Marcus Denmon from the university of Missouri. Denmon averaged 17.7 points per game last season for the Tigers.
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Can't really blame this young man for looking all confused when the Nets pick was announced. It was a tough name to pronounce and there's not a chance in the world the kid had ever heard of Ilkan Karaman. But the young man was excited anyway.
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Oh to be a kid again.
Also note the chubby Knicks fan in the background popping his jersey.
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The NBA Draft is well into the second round which means picks and players are being traded left and right. The tradition of teams buying picks for cash continued in 2012 with both the Nets and Lakers picking up second round picks for cash.
The Nets bought the No. 54 pick from the Clippers, then used it to select Tornike Shengelia, a forward from Belgium. The Mavericks were up next with the No. 55 pick, but the Lakers swooped in with a cash offer to buy it. By buying the pick, the Lakers bought back what was once theirs. The No. 55 pick was used in the trade that sent Lamar Odom to the Mavericks during the offseason.
Lakers just bought the 55th pick from the Mavs via sources … which used to be owned by the Lakers ironically
— Chad Ford (@chadfordinsider) June 29, 2012
With the pick, the Lakers added Darius Johnson-Odom, a shooting guard from Marquette.
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Last year, many of the teams at the end of the second round seemed to be engaged in an one-upping contest as to who could pick the most obscure foreign player. It's all harmless fun, but the Sacramento Kings were able to unearth a solid NBA point guard in Isaiah Thomas with the No. 60 overall pick.
No. 51: Boston Celtics -- Kris Joseph, Syracuse
Boston took their second Syracuse player in this draft, although Joseph will have an uphill climb to make their Opening Day roster. He has decent size for a small forward (6'7", 215 pounds) and he can shoot from the outside (34.5%), but he doesn't bring much else to the table.
No. 52: Golden State Warriors -- Ognjen Kuzmic, Bosnia
Pass.
No. 53: LA Clippers -- Furkan Aldemir, Turkey
Clippers fans shouldn't get too excited about Aldemir as he is reportedly being dealt for cash. What a surprising penny-pinching move by Donald Sterling.
No. 54: Philadelphia 76ers (Trade to the New Jersey Nets) -- Tornike Shengelia, Georgia
New Jersey continues buying up picks at the back end of the second round. Maybe Mikhail Prokhorov has some inside information from his time in Europe.
No. 55: Dallas Mavericks (Trade to the LA Lakers) -- Darius Johnson-Odom, Marquette
A tough and athletic 6'3", 215-pound combo guard, Odom is already a better player than Steve Blake, whatever that's worth.
Fans of the New York Knicks are legendary at the NBA Draft and, thankfully, they didn't disappoint in 2012. The team didn't have a first round pick, but the fans waited around until the second round pick in hopes of New York finding a sleeper.
The Knicks may have made a very good pick and Kostas Papanikolaou might very well end up being a sleeper, but New York's finest did not seem pleased with their team's second round pick.
They did seem really pleased with being at the Draft in general, though ... and if you don't believe us, then off to the gifs we shall go.
Never change, Knicks fans.
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The second round of the 2012 NBA draft continued and there was some history made with the No. 46 pick.
The New Orleans Hornets selected senior forward Darius Miller from Kentucky with the No. 46 pick. Miller became the sixth Kentucky Wildcat chosen in the draft, a new NBA record.
The Utah Jazz made their first selection of the 2012 draft when they selected Kevin Murphy with the No. 47 pick. Murphy is a guard from Tennessee Tech who scored 50 points in a game this season.
Following the Jazz selection, the New York Knicks made their first pick of the draft. With plenty of Knicks fans in attendance, the team took Kostas Papanikolaou a forward from Greece. Papanikolaou played for the Greek league team Olympiacos.
With the No. 49 pick, the Orlando Magic took Kyle O'Quinn from Norfolk State. O'Quinn became a household name during the NCAA tournament as Norfolk State upset Missouri.
The Denver Nuggets went international with the No. 50 pick, selecting Izzet Turkyilmaz, a power forward from Turkey.
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There weren't many major trades during the first round of the 2012 NBA Draft, but a couple of second-round moves have already happened midway through the second round. They aren't franchise-changing moves, of course, but they are worth keeping an eye on.
The most prominent move took place with the Brooklyn Nets as they bought one of the Portland Trail Blazers' picks in order to bring Kansas Jayhawks guard Tyshawn Taylor to Brooklyn -- and pretty close to home (especially compared to the alternative in Oregon).
Brooklyn is sending cash to Portland for Tyshawn Taylor, out of Kansas and St. Anthony of Jersey City.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) June 29, 2012
The other trade that has happened thus far on Thursday night took place between the Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers. Tom Ziller has more on that transaction:
On Thursday, the Kings, who have just 11 players under contract, sold pick No. 36 to the Pacers for cash. You know who sells picks for cash? Teams with too many players under contract and teams bumping up against the luxury tax line.
Oh, and teams whose owners are broke.
Yikes.
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It's the middle of the second round of the draft, where the contracts aren't guaranteed and the draftees may need to keep their passports handy.
No. 41: Portland Trail Blazers (Trade to Brooklyn Nets) -- Tyshawn Taylor, Kansas
Taylor is an athletic 6'3 guard who can defend both back-court positions and projects as a solid combo guard off the bench at the next level. He'll need to become more consistent offensively, as a decision-maker and a shooter. The Nets apparently paid "straight cash homey" for this pick.
No. 42: Milwaukee Bucks -- Doron Lamb, Kentucky
Lamb is the fifth Kentucky player taken in this draft, but he's a legitimate prospect in his own right. He's an excellent shooter who often had the ball in his hands to close out games for the Wildcats. At 6'4 210, he has the chance to be a solid combo guard off the bench in the NBA.
No. 43: Atlanta Hawks -- Mike Scott, Virginia
Mike Scott was an excellent college player, but his game may not translate to the next level. At 6'8 240, he's fairly undersized for a big man and doesn't offer much defensively. He is a good jump-shooter, so he may stick as a back-up power forward who runs the pick-and-pop. He's not worse than Ivan Johnson, but I wouldn't want to be the rookie who took Ivan Johnson's roster spot.
No. 44: Detroit Pistons -- Kim English, Missouri
The Pistons continued their excellent draft by taking the 6'6 195 English, who could end up being the next Raja Bell: a perimeter stopper who spreads the court offensively. He's extremely limited with the ball in his hands, but he's a smart player and a deadly shooter who should be a great fit playing off of Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond.
No. 45: Philadelphia 76ers (Traded to the Miami Heat) -- Justin Hamilton, LSU
Hamilton is a strictly project big man who may be able to stick in the NBA due to his size at 7'0 260. He'll be competing with Dexter Pittman to see which 3rd-string center does the best job warming Miami's bench and cheap-shotting guys like Lance Stephenson.
The Philadelphia 76ers had quite a few options when their turn came during Thursday night's NBA Draft, but there wasn't much of a consensus for who they should pick.
SB Nation's own Liberty Ballers had a few ideas as far as who the Sixers should select, but it doesn't seem like they figured Moe Harkless -- excuse us -- Maurice Harkless would fit in their initial plans.
I think Harkless is an intriguing prospect, but I see him fitting terribly with the Sixers, even if he reaches his full potential. If the Sixers lacked team athleticism and/or perimeter defenders, I'd be all for taking a flier on Harkless. But because they don't, I'll pass, unless he somehow fell to pick 45, or the Sixers back.
The Sixers fans aren't exactly disappointed with the Harkless pick, though, because they've decided to take a glass half-full approach:
A corresponding trade is almost certain. It will probably be Iguodala, but don't rule out Evan Turner or Thaddeus Young.
The readers weren't quite as optimistic, however:
At least there were some As!
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The Maloofs tell everyone who asks that they are flush with assets, liquid enough to run an NBA team like the one that they own, the Sacramento Kings, and be competitive. This is despite the fact that the Kings have been at the salary floor -- that is, the lowest legal salary a team can carry as assigned by NBA rules -- for the past two seasons. This is despite the fact that the Maloofs tanked a historic funding deal for a new arena because they didn't want to take on additional debt, debt that the NBA was prepared to cover 10 percent of.
This is despite the fact that the Maloofs have in their employment one of the lowest-paid general managers, one of the thinnest basketball operations departments and one of the lowest-paid coaches in the entire league.
This is despite numerous offers from Very Wealthy Men to purchase the team and keep it in Sacramento.
On Thursday, the Kings, who have just 11 players under contract, sold pick No. 36 to the Pacers for cash. You know who sells picks for cash? Teams with too many players under contract and teams bumping up against the luxury tax line.
Oh, and teams whose owners are broke.
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The picks keep coming fast and furious in the second round, where the contracts aren't guaranteed and the draftees might need to start updating their passports.
No. 36: Orlando Johnson; UC - Santa Barbara - With the pick, the Sacramento Kings just got more versatile. Johnson, who will get knocked for not playing against top competition playing in the Big West, is a solid all-around offensive player that could develop into a nice role player for the young Kings.
No. 37: Quincy Acy; Baylor - If Perry Jones is Baylor's underachiever, then the Bears' Quincy Acy is their overachiever. An energy guy that gave Scott Drew's team the physicality down low they were often criticized for not having enough of, Acy is a quintessential guy who plays bigger than he really is. Toronto Raptors fans should feel good about this selection
No. 38: Quincy Miller; Baylor - Frankly, you're not sure what you're getting here. A highly touted player coming out of high school as a member of the class of 2011, Miller is a nice mid-range player but plays a bit soft for a 6-10 player. He lacks the explosiveness you'd like to see from a player of his size. If he wants to get minutes with Denver, he'll need to be able to fill the lane along Ty Lawson as part of a fast paced offense.
No. 39: Khris MIddleton; Texas A&M - Eh. Middleton is a good shooter, a good player, but probably could have benefited from staying in school for another season. That idea is sort of falling out of fashion with players who may not be as good as we think they are, but MIddleton's injury problems are what pushed him off NBA scout's radars this winter. Another full year of college - one where he could have challenged for Big 12 player of the year - may have been the right move. Nonetheless, he got drafted and the Pistons staff will need to work with him on becoming a consistent scorer.
No. 40: Will Barton; Memphis - Look out, Portland, y'all might have just gotten a steal here in the second round. The Tigers disappointed last season, but Barton quietly was a stud. He can create on his own and plays with passion.
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Bernard James, a 27-year-old prospect who played center at Florida State, was taken No. 33 by a pick sent to the Dallas Mavericks. He received a reaction from the crowd larger than just about everyone else, with the crowd at the Prudential Center chanting "U-S-A" at James. The reason: James is an Air Force veteran, having served three tours of duty in Iraq.
Here's the clip of the assembled fans paying respect.
Whether James ever plays a minute in the playoffs or gets an NBA start, his draft process was worth it to see the respect paid to our military veterans. Warm and fuzzies always win.
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The first round of the 2012 NBA draft may be in the books, but there are still 30 more players to hear their name called in the second round.
The Charlotte Bobcats got the action started in the second round when they selected Jeff Taylor from Vanderbilt with the No. 31 pick. Taylor, a senior small forward, was the second straight player selected from Vanderbilt.
The Wizards were next on the clock and they took Tomas Satoransky with the No. 32 pick. Satoransky, a guard from Spain, became the second international player selected.
Cleveland was next up with two selections, although both picks will go to the Dallas Mavericks as part of an earlier trade. With the No. 33 pick, Cleveland selected Bernard James, a center from Florida State. With the No. 34 selection, the Cavs took Jae Crowder from Marquette.
Next up in the second round was Golden State who selected Michigan State star Draymond Green with the No. 35 pick.
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It always happens like this, and it's wonderful. David Stern gets booed mercilessly all night at the NBA Draft, then the crowd gives him one final sendoff before cheering wildly for Adam Silver. Stern enjoys it, and has been trolling all night, and Silver plays to the crowd.
The reactions are all just so wonderful. The crowd never stopped booing Stern, giving it to him each time he made his way on stage. And as the commissioner said his goodbyes, the crowd did the same.
There's even a fan in ref attire giving Stern a tech.
Moment later, Silver appeared from backstage to wild applause, yelling out "Good evening New Jersey!" It's just a fantastic tradition, you guys.
You've been excellent, New Jersey. Excellent in your own special way.
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With the No. 30 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Golden State Warriors selected Festus Ezeli from Vanderbilt. That wraps up the first round. The Warriors had gained the pick from the San Antonio Spurs in the Richard Jefferson-Stephen Jackson trade.
Ezeli is a big man, which is what Golden State passed up in taking Harrison Barnes at No. 7 over Andre Drummond. Ezeli will replace Ekpe Udoh, traded to Milwaukee in March, and play behind Andrew Bogut, who has yet to suit up for the Warriors. The Warriors also have Andris Biedrins, David Lee and Jeremy Tyler up front.
Two Vanderbilt players were taken in the first round. John Jenkins went No. 23 to the Atlanta Hawks.
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The best part of the NBA Draft is concurrently drinking and jumping to conclusions.
Thursday, the rebuilding Cleveland Cavaliers selected Dion Waiters with the fourth overall pick, then traded with the Dallas Mavericks nearly an hour later to receive Tyler Zeller at No. 17.
But some Cavs fans are not smiling. In fact, they're down right mad.
While someone like myself sees an explosive wing player who can compliment a budding young point guard and a mature big man who rarely makes mistakes and will add depth to a thin rotation, some people over at SB Nation's Fear the Sword see something completely different.
Tonight sucks. The cavs look doomed - MCReal
On the bright side, our draft was so horrible that all the folks from Cleveland.com who joined us tonight won't be around much longer - by Kyrie Eleison
I thought Cleveland fans would react better to this draft. The feeling I have tonight is pretty much the same feeling I have every year for the Browns draft. Accept it and move forward - by millionairesrow
Don't you love the Internet?!
There's actually speculation that Zeller is not done moving tonight, but overall I think the city of Cleveland should be satisfied with the additions Comic Sans Dan Gilbert made tonight.
They got a player in Waiters that should turn into a regular starter next season (remember, he was one of probably five players in college basketball that could consistently get to the rim and score) and an all-around reliable bench player in Zeller.
The Cavaliers will not win the NBA Championship next season, but they did get better Thursday night, and that's all they can ask for.
The defending champion Miami Heat are not a favorite team of the majority of NBA fans. Commissioner David Stern is very aware of this, too, and seems to relish reminding the Neward crowd.
Stern trolled the crowd pretty well when reminding the fans that Miami won the NBA championship this year, but took it up a level when announcing their pick (which ended up being traded to the Philadelphia 76ers).
Troll on, Mr. Stern.
With the No. 29 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Chicago Bulls selected Marquis Teague from Kentucky. He is the fourth Wildcat taken in the first round, following Anthony Davis (No. 1), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (No. 2) and Terrence Jones (No. 18).
Teague will serve as Derrick Rose insurance as the former MVP will miss time this season due to knee surgery. Teague, the brother of Hawks guard Jeff Teague, will slide in with C.J. Watson to cover the point guard spot, assuming the Bulls don't spend money to add a backcourt player to keep Rose's seat warm.
Teague won the national championship and, like Rose, played under John Calipari. Unlike Rose back in Memphis, Teague wasn't the featured scorer for Kentucky.
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Holding the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Hornets and their fans were looking forward to Thursday's draft. While the organization and their fans were likely ecstatic to add Anthony Davis with the first overall selection, the reaction to New Orleans' No. 10 selection of Austin Rivers was less enthusiastic.
Over at SB Nation's Hornets blog At The Hive, site editor Rohan hasn't been Rivers' biggest cheerleader. Judging by the comments following the pick, it appears the community members agree with him. Damn it all to hell!
I really don't want Rivers
by njennings
Jeeeeesus
Rivers? Friggin Rivers? Ugh.
by Brian Ball
Yay!
We're still tanking!?
by unnamed
this really blows. Rohan is on suicide watch right now.
by OnPointLikeCP3
Well, at least they still have Anthony Davis.
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Gotta be honest: Rece Davis is doing an absolutely wonderful job at the NBA Draft. He's expertly keeping things on track on the ESPN set, and still has time to get a few jokes in.
I wholeheartedly endorse this #ShotsFired moment. It was wonderful.
The delivery, the insult, the wry smile ... it's all just wonderful. Well played.
With the No. 28 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Oklahoma City Thunder selected Perry Jones III from Baylor, who had a stunning fall from lottery status.
Jones didn't have a great career at Baylor, despite the team's success; the common perception is that Perry's uncommon gifts were largely wasted. Luckily, that has never happened in the NBA. It's hard to pin a prospect's NBA potential on how good of a situation he lands in, but that seems all too true here: He needs to have the right coach and system to make his talent really sing. Even at the low end of his potential, he should be a useful NBA player, though. Anthony Randolph is still around, right?
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NEWARK -- The major knock on Andre Drummond is simple: his lagging on-court effort and inconsistency causes people to wonder about him. This can be explained away by age, of course, but it's still the reason the one-time top big man prospect slid to No. 9 in the 2012 NBA Draft.
Now, Drummond is emphatic about wanting to prove people wrong.
"I know that people talk about my motor and not being able to play hard. I want to put that to rest immediately," Drummond said. "I know that I'll have my brothers pushing me, so I know that'll be put to rest."
It remains to be seen if Drummond makes good on that promise, but he certainly wasn't interested in discussing his drop any further. He was overcome with emotion when he was selected, admitting that he held his mother's hand the whole time until his name went off the board at No. 9. When asked later about going No. 9, he said it didn't matter where he went, because he's just happy to be picked by anyone.
If Drummond can become consistent, the Pistons, a team badly in need of a jolt of energy, may have finally received one.
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With the No. 27 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Miami Heat selected Arnett Moultrie from Mississippi State. The Heat will reportedly send him to the Philadelphia 76ers.
Moultrie is an active, athletic big man who has some skills but doesn't figure to be a great defender, rebounder or bruiser at the NBA level. The Sixers will reportedly send Miami a future first-round pick and the No. 45 in this draft to take Moultrie, who slots in behind Elton Brand (who may be waived via amnesty), Spencer Hawes (who is a free agent) and Thaddeus Young (who is sorta kinda a small forward).
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With the No. 26 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Indiana Pacers selected Miles Plumlee from Duke.
Plumlee is a near 7-footer who anchored the middle for the Blue Devils for (most of) four years. He figures to contribute primarily on defense in the NBA and he'll back up Roy Hibbert, Indiana's All-Star center. That's a strong position for a player like Plumlee to come into.
Also of note: he'll play alongside Tyler Hansbrough, former North Carolina star. Hibbert, a Georgetown product, may need to mediate.
Plumlee is the second Duke player taken in 2012. Austin Rivers was the No. 10 pick. He'll play for the New Orleans Hornets. Plumlee's brother, Mason, also of Duke, is expected to be a first-round pick next year.
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With the No. 25 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Memphis Grizzlies selected Tony Wroten from Washington. Wroten is the second Husky to go in the first round as the Raptors picked up Terrence Ross at No. 8.
Wroten is a promising combo guard who came into college as one of the most touted prospects in the country. He figures to at least audition at back-up point guard by Mike Conley at point guard, and could make O.J. Mayo, a restricted free agent, expendable. That said, he's young and could need time to get up to speed. (He has no problem actually playing with speed.)
Memphis was rumored to be interested in John Jenkins, who went No. 23 to Atlanta.
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With the No. 24 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers selected Jared Cunningham, a shooting guard from Oregon State as part of a draft-day deal with the Dallas Mavericks.
Cunningham, an athletic 6'4 190 combo guard, was under the radar for most of the season playing for a mediocre Oregon State team. As a junior, he averaged 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists on 51 percent shooting.
In the NBA, he will need to improve his perimeter shooting (34 percent from deep) as well as his decision-making, but he has the athleticism to get to the rim and defend on the perimeter in the NBA.
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Under Jim Boeheim, Syracuse has won a national title and had a number of players taken in the lottery, but their fans are still excited about having a player taken No. 22 overall:
A project center who may be 2-3 years away from contributing on an NBA team ... get some!
With the No. 23 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Atlanta Hawks selected John Jenkins from Vanderbilt.
Jenkins is one of the most prolific shooters in the draft, a two-guard with range galore and two years of top-notch scoring at Vandy. He'd been rumored to be a target of the Memphis Grizzlies at No. 25, who are now expected to take a look at Washington guard Tony Wroten.
Jenkins' teammate Festus Ezeli is also expected to be in play in the first round, possibly to the Miami Heat at No. 27. The Hawks have a need behind Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague at guard, and Jenkins could receive plenty of playing time early. This is the first move from new Hawks GM Danny Ferry.
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Seriously, David Stern knows what's up.
"Fahkin Sully, kid. Best fahkin pick in the draft. BAHSTAHN, KID."
With the No. 22 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics selected Fab Melo from Syracuse.
Another of the rare 7-footers in the 2012 class, Melo was a part of Syracuse's impenetrable defense this season. Unfortunately for NBA scouts and analysts, picking out the great defenders in Jim Boeheim's zone is pretty much impossible. I mean, Donte Greene, Jonny Flynn and Wes Johnson were all drafted in part for their defensive potential. Welp. Melo, the center, is a bit easier to read thanks to very good size and athleticism. The question at the next level will be whether he can crack the fine art of rim-protecting; JaVale McGee has proven that size, athleticism and a will to swat at everything in sight isn't always a winning formula.
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With the No. 21 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Boston Celtics selected Jared Sullinger from Ohio State.
Sullinger would almost assuredly have been a top-5 pick in 2011, and perhaps the No. 1 pick overall. But he remained in school to take another shot at it with Ohio State. This class is much more stacked, pushing Sullinger down a bit. Reports of a back condition didn't help either. But Sullinger has a proven record as a scorer and rebounder in Columbus, and looks to prove he deserved to go higher. He averaged 17 points and 9 rebounds per game last season, shooting a great 52 percent from the floor. He's a natural if undersized power forward who has shown a decent stroke from the perimeter. Adding a reliable jumper from 18 feet would boost Sullinger's potential quite a bit.
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Jeff Van Gundy is a pretty opinionated guy, but he usually makes pretty good points. It should come as no surprise, then, that the former head coach and current NBA analyst dropped some name knowledge during Thursday night's telecast of the 2012 NBA Draft on ESPN.
Coming back from a commercial break -- and presumably assuming he was not on a hot mic -- Van Gundy dropped some knowledge regarding new Portland Trail Blazers draft pick Meyers Leonard. Namely, his first and last names should be switched around.
It's certainly not the best screw-up from Thursday night's telecast -- that honor, of course, belongs to Andy Katz -- but it is probably a sentiment plenty of people were thinking while watching ESPN's coverage.
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With the No. 20 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Denver Nuggets selected Evan Fournier from France.
Fournier is the top-rated international player in the draft, and is widely predicted to be the only foreign prospect taken in the first round. That's a low number as the crops have been picked quite clean over the last couple of years; teams are also taking advantage of salary rules to focus on picking up foreign players in the second round to offer some salary leeway to address often hefty European buy-outs. Fournier is one of the bigger two-guard prospects in the draft, and that helps plenty. Unfortunately, his wingspan isn't great (could be a problem defensively) and he needs to prove he can hit the three in game situations. He reportedly sunk a bevy of them in a workout for teams visiting EuroCamp in June, but shot below 30 percent in the French League last season.
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With the No. 19 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Orlando Magic selected Andrew Nicholson from St. Bonaventure.
Nicholson is a power forward with good offensive skills and good length despite a 6'9 frame. Like every power forward in recent Magic history, he can shoot. As Ryan Anderson is a restricted free agent, Nicholson could be a back-up plan or an understudy. There's also a lack of clarity on what new Orlando GM Rob Hennigan will do about the whole Dwight Howard clusterfluff. Nicholson certainly doesn't play center, but could be valued well by other teams in any sort of swap to build up the Magic's ranks.
Nicholson is the first foreign-born player drafted this year. He is from Canada.
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With the No. 18 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Houston Rockets selected Terrence Jones from Kentucky.
Jones was the old man at Kentucky ... as a sophomore. He arrived in Lexington with Brandon Knight (a lottery pick in 2011) and left with Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and a national championship. He subjugated his own game for the team, but still offered up tremendous defense and timely offense. He's comparable to Earl Clark and the Morris twins. If he can extend his jumper out to the three-point line, morphing into an Al Harrington type could be in the cards. But as was the case in '12, his calling card early in his career will need to be defense.
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That's four first-round picks for UNC so far and Roy Williams is just collecting ballcaps. Gonna need to add a Cleveland cap in, but Williams has quite the haul at his table so far.
WITH THE RING, Y'ALL.
With the No. 17 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Dallas Mavericks selected Tyler Zeller from North Carolina. He will reportedly be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Zeller, one of four Tar Heels in the first round, is considered a solid prospect at center who won't challenge for All-Star teams but could become a solid NBA starter. He's quite a good offensive rebounder, but will need to shore up his body to perform on the defensive glass. He's also not much of shotblocker, so his defensive impact will be determined by footwork, strength and smarts. On offense, he claims to have a shooting stroke and ball-handling skills, but he'll have to prove it against better competition in the coming years. Until he does, his size could help keep smallball opponents honest on offense; even without filling out, he should be able to back up many NBA power forwards.
Chad Ford of ESPN reports that Cleveland will send multiple picks to the Mavericks for Zeller.
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With the No. 16 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Houston Rockets selected Royce White from Iowa State.
White is a banger who has been popular with draft experts and scouts, but an inability to work out individually for teams due to anxiety flying threatened to drop him. But he didn't fall too far. The Rockets acquired this pick in a 2010 trade from the New York Knicks.
The Rockets picked up UConn guard Jeremy Lamb at No. 12 and also own the No. 18 pick. They do not have a center on the roster, leading many to believe that North Carolina center Tyler Zeller would have been the choice at No. 16.
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With the No. 15 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers selected Maurice Harkless from St. John's.
Harkless is a small forward prospect, but he played center last season at St. John's due to size deficiencies for the Red Storm. He drew raves as a scorer despite his lack of a jump shot. He's also got the size and physicality to become a strong NBA defender, provided he maintains his good lateral quickness (a key in guarding the modern NBA small forward). As with so many players of similar ilk, his ability to stretch his range out to the three-point line will be critical to his offensive success. It worked for Kawhi Leonard in San Antonio.
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With the No. 14 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Milwaukee Bucks selected John Henson from North Carolina.
Henson is a lanky forward/center whose specialty is defense; he's more or less a poor man's Anthony Davis. One of the major questions about Henson is whether he'll ever be able to put on legit weight. He's quite thin and has developed physically in only limited ways at North Carolina. His primary strengths are on the defensive end, where he can block shots and rebound well. He could be a longer Ekpe Udoh in the end, which would be a boon (if you're a member of the Udoh plus-minus army, which ... why wouldn't you be?). On offense, he averaged 13 points per game at UNC last year, but isn't expected to be a whole lot more than a garbage man coming into the league. Developing a strong pick-and-roll relationship with his point guard could pay huge dividends down the line.
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With the No. 13 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Phoenix Suns selected Kendall Marshall from North Carolina.
Marshall was the engine for North Carolina; the Tar Heels went off the rails when an injury knocked the point guard out of commission in the NCAA Tournament. A supreme distributor, Marshall has spent the pre-draft season convincing teams he can shoot and score, too; he was so reluctant a shooter in Chapel Hill that he averaged fewer than 10 points per game despite running the offense constantly. He's like the opposite of a Jeremy Lin: Marshall is a passer who dabbles in scoring. In the NBA, Brevin Knights are few and far between, but Lins last forever. Marshall hopes to follow the mold of Ricky Rubio and break that trope.
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Jeremy Lamb, Houston fans! Get excited! Brooooooooo!
The people around them are giving them that look.
With the No. 12 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Houston Rockets selected Jeremy Lamb from UConn.
Lamb, who took over for Kemba Walker as leading scorer at UConn, is a two-guard with decent size, scoring instinct and athleticism. The key to his NBA potential is a consistent effort, shoring up a shaky but not terrible shooting stroke and being an active defender. He has the quickness and length to stay in front of most NBA shooting guards, but so do plenty of other prospects who, unfortunately, can't put it all in place in the pros. An ankle injury early in workout season hampered Lamb's ability to get in front of more teams.
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With the No. 11 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Portland Trail Blazers selected Meyers Leonard from Illinois.
Leonard is one of the top-rated centers and one of the few 7-footers in the 2012 class. Despite Leonard's size, rebounding is a concern: He averaged 8 per game in about 31 minutes. He doesn't have near the skill level of a Chris Kaman, but he's still young (20, having spent just two years at Illinois), so that could develop. Depending on how his body develops -- he appears to have the frame to take on more weight -- he could end up as a bigger Jason Thompson, which wouldn't be bad at all.
The Blazers took point guard Damian Lillard with the No. 6 pick.
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Man, just shave it. Forget about the goatee. Just shave it off, Austin.
Concerns about Andre Drummond's motivation and attitude have followed him throughout the draft process. But now that he's fallen to the Detroit Pistons at No. 9, he certainly isn't lacking for motivation anymore:
The teams who passed on Drummond in the top 10 may have awakened a sleeping giant: a 6'11 280 freak athlete with a 7'6 wingspan who can dunk like a shooting guard.
The Pistons have been a fairly rudderless franchise since their 2004 championship team aged out of relevance, but a young front-court of Drummond and Greg Monroe makes them one of the most intriguing young teams in the NBA. The best case scenario? Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum 2.0.
With the No. 10 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the New Orleans Hornets selected Austin Rivers from Duke.
Rivers, the son of Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers, spent just one season at Duke. It didn't go particularly well for anyone: Rivers' stock dropped based on easy-to-see holes in his game, Duke couldn't really put together momentum during the season as Rivers looked like too much of a gunner and all the effort spent recruiting him went to relative waste. In the pros, Rivers should be better. He has a pro-style game, which is usually the opposite of what works in Durham. One concern is his poor free throw shooting (65 percent); guards who can't hit their free throws rarely have consistent jumpers (See: Rajon Rondo).
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Few probably expected Terrence Ross to go 8th to the Toronto Raptors. Ross, however, was ready for the occasion, rocking a fierce suit/bow tie combo. It was something, and that's about all we have to describe the attire.
I ... uh ... the pants. There's a weird ... crease in the pants. I guess he's happy to see David Stern and be drafted?
With the No. 9 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Detroit Pistons selected Andre Drummond from UConn.
Drummond is widely considered the biggest risk in the 2012 class. He has the combination of size and athleticism that scouts covet, but his skills leave so much to be desired, and he's so bad shooting free throws (29 percent at UConn), that you wonder if he'll ever be anything more than a very large body. The DeAndre Jordan comparisons are apt, though Drummond is much more exciting based on his potential; his footwork isn't completely horrible, and he has shown some ability to score outside of lobs and offensive rebounds (which constitute Jordan's limits). The key for Drummond could very well be how he's coached at the NBA level. We've seen countless big men fade out of memory because of a lack of development, which is partly on the franchise that picks them.
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With the No. 8 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Toronto Raptors selected Terrence Ross from Washington.
Ross is a promising wing prospect from the University of Washington, where he spent two seasons playing under Lorenzo Romar. He earned one of the coveted green room invites to the draft, which pushed him up the boards a bit coming into the derby. He's a versatile player best suited for small forward, though he's better at taking (and making) jumpers from the perimeter than putting his head down and driving to the rim. Last season, he attempted 5.5 three-pointers per game but only 2.7 free throws. Depending on how he's used in the pros, that could be a downward press on his shooting efficiency numbers.
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There aren't going to be many post draft interviews more emotional than the one Thomas Robinson gave. The Kansas star was fighting back tears as he talked about being drafted a year after losing both his grandparents and his mother:
ESPN also talked to his younger sister, only 9 years old, who Robinson is helping to raise. His sister and her father, who have been living in Washington D.C., will move across the country to live with the newest Sacramento King.
Whatever happens to his career, it's going to be hard not to root for him.
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With the No. 7 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Golden State Warriors selected Harrison Barnes from North Carolina.
Barnes was a top recruit for North Carolina in 2010, and while he never quite reached the heights that those incredible expectations set, he had a pretty strong two years at Chapel Hill. He's considered one of the best small forward shooters to enter the draft in a couple of years; the comparisons are typically Kevin Durant and Rudy Gay. Unfortunately, Barnes isn't anything close to the dribbler/driver that those guys were even in college. Barnes can take defenders on a ride to the rim, but doesn't do so with particular conviction and is much, much more comfortable spotting up and letting it fly. In that sense, maybe a young Peja Stojakovic -- provided Barnes's range improves in the NBA -- is the right comparison.
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With the No. 6 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, the Portland Trail Blazers selected Damian Lillard from Weber State.
Lillard is the 2012 class's top point guard, despite playing in the Big Sky for Weber State (the last combo guard to go from the Big Sky to the first round: Rodney Stuckey). Coming out of Oakland, where they breed Hall of Fame point guards (Jason Kidd, Gary Payton), Lillard is styled after the modern scorer-distributors like Deron Williams. Adjusting to the faster, longer NBA defenders will be the biggest challenge he'll face, but the same can be said for most prospects. As an older draft pick, he'll likely be ready to contribute from Day 1, though.
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With the No. 5 pick in the 2012 NBA draft, the Sacramento Kings selected Thomas Robinson from Kansas.
Robinson's rise is almost famous by now. After caddying for the Morris brothers in Lawrence in 2010-11 as a sixth man, he ascended in 2011-12 to dominate more than either twin ever had. His athleticism and relentless activity made him a problem for just about every team but Kentucky; his rebounding on both ends is expected to be strong at the next level.
But due to his height, the likelihood of Robinson following in the footsteps of Kevin Love, David West and Al Horford will rely on the development of an excellent jumper. The work ethic that he has shown suggests it's possible, but you won't know until you see it. Defensively, Robinson figures to be an immediate plus, though he's not considered a shot-blocker.
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With the No. 4 pick in the 2012 NBA draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers selected Dion Waiters from Syracuse.
Waiters quickly rose up the charts as the draft season began, and a reported promise from a lottery team after Day 1 of the Chicago combine was the most important topic that followed the Orange guard through June. Waiters is an efficient scorer, but really triumphed in transition (which may be harder to come by in the NBA). He's also not a distributor and stands at 6-foot-4, so he'll be limited to shooting guard exclusively. If his offense is good enough to get him a featured role, he could be a steals leader down the road; his ball-hawking instincts are tremendous, though it's always hard to tell what's real when it comes to Syracuse's defense.
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With the No. 3 pick in the 2012 NBA draft, the Washington Wizards selected Bradley Beal from Florida.
Beal is the top-rated shooting guard in the class, one of just a few slotted for the lottery and one of only a handful scheduled for the first round. He struggled as a shooter during the regular season for Florida, but came around during the tournament, putting together a fantastic run that showed why he was so heavily recruited. He has a more traditional two-guard body type than, say, Eric Gordon, but fits the same general mold -- an athletic slasher with a clean stroke and high, high potential for offensive damage. Two-guards tend to be brought on slowly in the NBA, as it takes time to figure out spots offensively and how to deal with faster, longer, smarter defenders. But he should be an impact player as a rookie.
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With the No. 2 pick in the 2012 NBA draft, the Charlotte Bobcats selected Michael Kidd-Gilchrist from Kentucky.
Kidd-Gilchrist was the No. 2 star on Kentucky's championship squad, behind No. 1 overall pick Anthony Davis. Like Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist's draw comes from his intense work ethic, high-character personality and defensive prowess. But MKG lacks offensive polish, a crime for NBA small forwards. To truly excel at the pro level, he'll need either improved dribble-drive skills or a reliable jumper. Because he's so athletic and burns so hot, he can get by on physical gifts, tenacity and smarts to a certain level. But stardom will demand more, and small forwards in the NBA need to score. In what flavor(s) that scoring comes is mostly irrelevant; Danny Granger, Carmelo Anthony and Gerald Wallace show disparate paths, and all three have been All-Stars. MKG just needs to find his path on offense.
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You knew David Stern was going to get booed. David Stern knew he was going to get booed. So, of course, he just rolled with it and trolled so hard along the way.
As Stern walked to the podium, the boos rang out. But instead of letting the boos pass, Stern immediately thanked everyone for their warm welcome. And the trolling continued.
The ear cup was a nice touch from Stern. As was adding in a quick bit about the Heat, which set the crowd off again.
Say one thing for Stern: He just doesn't care at all.
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With the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NBA draft, the New Orleans Hornets selected Anthony Davis from Kentucky.
Davis was the best player in college basketball this season and has been the unquestioned favorite to become the No. 1 pick for several months. A superlative defender with surprising offensive ability, the big man will allow coach Monty Williams to lean on his versatility while providing the stability all young franchises need. Davis is the surest bet since, well, Greg Oden and Kevin Durant in 2007. (There is no such thing as a "sure thing.") Barring catastrophe, he'll be in the All-Star discussion before his rookie deal ends, and is the overwhelming favorite to be the best player from this draft class years down the road, even if dice-rolls like Andre Drummond pay out.
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It's tricky to get out "bulging disk" when talking about back problems. And when the tongue gets tied up, a phrase like "bulging disk" can come out wrong live on national television.
I'm so sorry, Andy Katz.
Yes, that's bulging dicks. It's an unfortunate, but hilarious, slip of the tongue. It's draft time, y'all.
Related: Never forget!
Doesn't look like Jeremy Lamb is feeling it. He might need some shades.
via Dan Rubenstein
Nice to see Sager sticking with the spring line, despite summer being in full swing.
NEWARK -- We have an early winner for most ridiculous suit at the 2012 NBA draft. While it doesn't approach some of the weird attire choices of years past, Terrence Ross' green bow tie is definitely a little out of place.
Ross played college ball at Washington and is projected to go late in the lottery. The Milwaukee Bucks have the 14th pick and have green uniforms. Foreshadowing!
Hint: The 2012 NBA draft will begin with Anthony Davis going first overall to New Orleans. But from No. 2 on, we're not really sure what will happen, as 59 other players figure out their NBA destinations.
Here's the order for Thursday night's draft, barring the 40 or so trades that will happen by the end of the evening.
First round:
Second round (also known as "The Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver Show"):
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The 2012 NBA draft is set to tip off on Thursday evening, with the Hornets slotted to make the first overall selection.
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The 2012 NBA draft takes place Thursday night. Will the New Orleans Hornets select Anthony Davis with the No. 1 overall pick?
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