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BCS Rankings Projections, Week 13: SEC Rematch Warning, Whether You Like It Or Not

Nov 20, 2011 - Even if you live under a rock on some distant planet, you'd know that the SEC has won the last five BCS championships. But apparently that's still not good enough.

Now the SEC wants to hoard the national championship game entirely to itself, and have the game played on its turf, just to make the point clear. After the bloodletting of top-ranked teams this weekend, which got a head start on Friday when Oklahoma State lost at double-digit underdog Iowa State, you'll find three SEC West teams occupying the first three spots of the next BCS Standings.

Projected BCS Standings: 1. LSU, 2. Alabama, 3. Arkansas, 4. Oklahoma State, 5. Stanford, 6. Virginia Tech, 7. Oklahoma, 8. Oregon, 9. Boise State, 10. Houston, 11. South Carolina, 12. Kansas State, 13. Michigan State, 14. Georgia, 15. Michigan.

Even if you don't like to see an LSU-Alabama rematch in the BCS title game in New Orleans, that seems all but inevitable as long as LSU beats Arkansas at home next week. Besides, what are your other choices?

Oklahoma State, believe it or not, might get a mulligan if the 174 coaches and Harris voters really, really don't want to see another soccer game. There are also Stanford and Virginia Tech, each with one loss, floating on the margin. But after that, it's Houston (undefeated for now), Boise State (one killer loss) and a bunch of two-loss teams ... in other words: no chance.

So the BCS title game selection process basically comes down to one game: Arkansas at LSU.


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If the Tigers win, they remain the only unbeaten team from a BCS conference and will go on to play in the SEC title game against Georgia. That game becomes a bye for them. Yep, even if LSU loses that game, it'll still go to the national title game - heck, it might still be ranked No. 1 in the final BCS Standings.

The Tigers' title game opponent almost certainly will be Alabama, if it gets by Auburn in the Iron Bowl. Even the voters most adamantly opposed to a rematch will have a hard time opting for either Oklahoma State or Stanford, with one having lost to a heavy underdog and the other failing to have won its own division, never mind its conference. As for Virginia Tech, it beat Duke by four after being shut out in the second half of a 14-10 squeaker. 'Nuff said.

The more interesting scenario would involve an Arkansas victory over LSU, which is hardly inconceivable considering the Hogs have won three of the last four in this series. And each of the last six games was decided by eight points or less.

A close victory by Arkansas likely will still send LSU to the BCS title game, because that outcome should produce Alabama-LSU-Arkansas on top of the BCS Standings. Per the SEC's quirky tiebreaker, the Tigers will still win the West, though now they will have to beat Georgia to get to the BCS title rematch against Alabama. 

Now, an Arkansas blowout win will make it a bit wild. The Hogs still don't get to the SEC title game because it doesn't matter if they end up first or second in the BCS Standings; as long as LSU is third or lower, Alabama wins the division. In that case, if 'Bama beats Georgia, it will face Arkansas in the BCS title game, for a replay of its 38-14 rout on Sept. 24. If 'Bama loses, then it might be an Arkansas-LSU rematch.

Everywhere you look, it's an SEC West rematch!

Of course the voters can always nix any of the rematches by dropping a second SEC team in the polls to ensure another team gets in. But as we've already mentioned, there aren't a lot of choices to begin with, and there's a chance that there might be no choice at all.

Oklahoma State can easily lose to Oklahoma in Bedlam and be entirely eliminated from consideration. Virginia Tech still has to win at Virginia just to win its division, and then beat Clemson in the ACC title game. Even Stanford, with only a home game against a suddenly resurgent Notre Dame left, is no sure bet to finish 11-1.

All these stunning upsets this weekend should leave one team in inconsolable sorrow: Boise State. The Broncos scored a ho-hum 52-35 victory at San Diego State and have just two home games left. Had they not blown a game they nearly had in hand against TCU last week, they'd be a serious contender for a BCS title game berth. But now, with TCU having clinched the Mountain West title, they'll be shut out of even a BCS bowl bid.

Boise coach Chris Petersen should've learned from last season's debacle against Nevada, and that lesson was repeated this weekend for Oregon and Oklahoma State: With your season on the line, don't put all your faith on the foot of your kicker.

This week's ...

Big Winners -

Alabama: The weekend could not have played out more perfectly for the Crimson Tide, who are now all but assured of a second BCS title game berth in three years if they can beat Auburn. It might even make sense for Alabama to root for LSU next week to ensure that it doesn't earn the extra headache of having to play in the SEC title game.

Michigan: After the failed Rich Rodriguez experiment, no one could've foreseen that the Wolverines would be on the verge of a 10-win season and maybe a BCS bowl berth. Michigan, without being burdened with an appearance in the Big Ten championship game, might be just a win over archrival Ohio State away from earning its first trip to a BCS bowl since the 2006 season.

TCU: Southern Miss' upset loss to UAB on Friday night might've gone largely unnoticed, but not in Fort Worth. The Horned Frogs now probably just need a Houston loss against Tulsa next week or in the Conference USA title game to clinch their third straight trip to a BCS bowl.

Big Losers - 

Big 12: All the fratricide this weekend meant that the conference went from having two teams in the BCS, including one in the title game, to maybe just a single bid for the winner of Bedlam. A three-loss Oklahoma for sure isn't going to get an at-large bid; and an OSU team that lost its last two games of the season probably won't, either.

Pac-12: Call it Empire Strikes Back, with a sword on a white horse. USC can't play in the postseason, so it made sure nobody else is going to have that much fun, either. Oregon will have to win its last two games just to earn a Rose Bowl bid and, should Stanford lose to Notre Dame, the Pac-12 will have just one BCS team, again.

Big East: Must we do this every week? How could we not? The team leading the conference now is 6-5 Louisville, with every Big East team having at least three losses already. The Orange Bowl is not relishing the thought of getting another deadbeat "champion" out of this bunch.

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I'm curious about some doublethink going on.

Stanford is out of the running because they failed to win their division or conference, but Alabama doesn’t have that problem, and could even conceivably go into the championship as the #1 team?

The system, she is still broken.

by macomeau on Nov 20, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Serious doublethink...
[The Tigers] play in the SEC title game against Georgia. That game becomes a bye for them. Yep, even if LSU loses that game, it’ll still go to the national title game

It seems it’s okay to not win your conference if you are in the SEC, no matter what team you are.

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 20, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stanford is out of the running

because the Pac 12 sucks this year, and Stanford has beaten one good team.

by Gophermike on Nov 20, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pac-12 sucks this year?

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Florida would like a word.

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Go Dawgs!

by vineyarddawg on Nov 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The SEC is weaker than usual, for sure.

But I’ll take:
 
-LSU over Oregon (obviously)
-Alabama over Stanford
-Arkansas and USC is a tie for me
-Georgia over Utah
-South Carolina over Arizona State
-Florida and California is a tie
-Auburn over Washington
-Mississippi State and UCLA is a tie
-Tennessee over Arizona
-Vanderbilt over Washington State
-Oregon State over Kentucky
-Colorado and Ole Miss is a tire fire.

So, I’ve got 7-1-3 + a game that could count as enhance interrogation techniques.

I hate the SEC with a burning passion, but the Pac 12 does indeed suck this year. Who is the 4th best team? Utah? That’s pathetic and you know it.

by Gophermike on Nov 20, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

USC?

I think they just showed they were a good team.

by LPKingsFan on Nov 20, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oregon is good.

Just not good enough to be in the BCS title game.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They lost to Oregon

I said that they beat one good team (USC). That’s it. There’s a reason the BCS put V-Tech ahead of Stanford. It’s because the Pac-12 sucks this year.

by Gophermike on Nov 21, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

TCU?

I assume they will be real close to No. 16 since Clemson and Nebraska losing.

by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 20, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

actually an automatic bid

They need Houston to not win C-USA first of all. Then they just need to be No. 16 which would be ahead of the Big East champ.

by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 20, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What about Boise State?

I thought an automatic berth to a BCS game was only guaranteed to the top non-AQ team in the top 16 or 12 or whatever.

by Tractorr on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

you can only earn an automatic bid

as a non AQ team, if you’re conference champ.

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 20, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

Top non-AQ conference champ.

TCU Has clinched the Mountain West

by rugman11 on Nov 20, 2011 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

And that's why I never respected Boise or the WAC

13.

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by Wiedmann on Nov 20, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't keep up with the Big East

I just realized that Lousiville is the leader from the article. What are the scenarios there for their champion?

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

How is Oregon's home loss

to a ranked opponent by a missed field goal better then Boise State’s? How does two loss Oklahoma stay ahead of BSU when the TX Tech loss looks worse every week?

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 20, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Oh. The OP. Duh.

It doesn’t matter either way. No bowl is going to take Boise State over an equal or even lesser AQ program. Sorry.

by Gophermike on Nov 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get how Georgia is ranked lower than South Carolina, and we’ve already clinched the East and they’re in second place. The head-to-head matchup means nothing now, because we’ve finished better than them, right?

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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

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by ChopMaster on Nov 20, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

In the end it should turn out like that.

But for now the 2 teams have an equal number of losses.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

S. Carolina is probably going to get beat by Clemson so it will work itself out

But I think the reason it stands the way it does now is because UGA started 0-2 and had to work their way back up the rankings. South Carolina began ranked 10-15 and haven’t deviated too much from that in either direction. Plus UGA didn’t have to face any of the top 3 teams in the conference (not yet anyway). And let’s face it, top teams get excessively punished for losing to Boise, fair or not.

by BobLoblaw113 on Nov 20, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming LSU beats Arkansas, Georgia beating LSU would likely not change LSU's national title game outlook

What it would do, though, is prevent a rematch. Ironically, Alabama would be rooting desperately for an LSU WIN in that situation.

The BCS can only take two teams from a conference, and Georgia ain’t playing for the national title. And neither is Oregon, unless things go even more cockeyed nutso than they already have.

So: want no rematch? Root Georgia. (This actually applies to whoever wins that LSU-Arkansas game. If Georgia steals an SEC bid, the SEC can only have one team in the title game.)

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Actually this is incorrect

If Georgia beats LSU and things stay the way they are now, you’ll have 3 SEC teams in BCS bowls. LSU vs Alabama for the NC and UGA in the Sugar.

d-wade=d-ouche

by captainamerica* on Nov 20, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This scenario can happen.

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by Jason Kirk on Nov 20, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there is any way that they will put 2 non-conference champions in the title game.

Although it would be fun to watch the heads of every college football fan in the country simultaneously explode.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, it certainly would provide grist for the "this system is fucking nuts" mill

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm, you're right

That’s one bizarre-ass rule.

I have no doubt that it will be changed if that actually happened, but I guess that can’t happen until after the season.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What if

All the major conference non-SEC top 15 teams (i.e. Oklahoma, Va Tech, Stanford, Okie State, etc.) finish the season with two losses and Alabama loses to Auburn and Arkansas beats LSU? Under that scenario, doesn’t Arkansas play UGA in the SEC Championship game? And if that happens, and UGA wins, what’s stopping an LSU-UGA national title game? Everyone other than LSU would have 2 losses in that scenario, UGA would be the SEC champion, and LSU-UGA wouldn’t be a rematch.

by Hairy Dawg's Manifest Destiny on Nov 20, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

No because OU already has 2 losses

And their only remaining game is Ok State. Looks like the winner of Bedlam should be the lowest that the #2 spot slides. But I can’t see Stanford losing again.

All moot though. Neither LSU nor Alabama will lose again. And as much as rematches suck, they ARE the two best teams in the country. The real controversy will be in the offseason if Bama wins the rematch, which I believe that they would. Could even end up with realignment in the SEC to separate the two teams (which may be necessary anyway as TAMU and Mizzou should both be in the west).

by BobLoblaw113 on Nov 20, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They aren't splitting LSU and Bama up.

They’ve already decided that Missouri will go to the East, but even if they put them in the West they would have shifted Auburn over to the East.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is ridiculously unlikely

I mean, as long as we’re in fantasy-land, it’s mathematically conceivable that Stanford could end up with 12 wins and a Pac-12 title. Would that be enough? Frankly, I’m not going to bother worrying about it.

Bizarre as it is, that crazy exception to the two-bids-per-conference rule is actually much more likely to come about.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's remotely possible

a few years ago UGA was #4 but didn’t get to play in the SEC title game. two of the teams ahead of them in the polls loss, but UGA didn’t get to move up for the NC game. Instead LSU leaped frog them in the polls and played their instead. By this logic UGA should have a chance.

d-wade=d-ouche

by captainamerica* on Nov 20, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming UGA beats GT....

And then assuming UGA beats LSU for the SEC title then I think UGA gets the shot in the BCS title game. They will have 2 losses to top 15 teams, have beaten LSU, and will be the SEC champion. They’ll have as much of an argument as anyone in that scenario.

There might still be 2 SEC teams in the BCS title game in that situation, but one of them should be UGA. The whole idea of there being an all SEC match-up in the title game is based on the idea that the SEC is so much stronger than everyone else that it only makes sense. If that’s the line of thinking then I don’t see how the voters would leave out the SEC champion and assume the other teams are better especially if UGA wins the game against any of the 3 West teams.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You think voters are going to jump a two-loss Georgia over a Boise State team that beat them head to head on Georgia's home field?

I don’t.

And Georgia’s computer rankings are horrible. They’d improve with wins in those two games, but not by THAT much. I suspect they’d continue to rank behind Boise State in the robot poll, too.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So if Arkansas beats the number 1 ranked team at their home close, they would stay ranked as 3

I don’t see that happening, I think an Arkansas win would produce either 1 Arkansas, 2 Alabama, 3 LSU or 1 Alabama, 2 Arkansas 3 LSU, or the one I would think would be more likely 1 Arkansas, 2 LSU, 3 Alabama

by MexiHog on Nov 20, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

That would be insanity
… or the one I would think would be more likely 1 Arkansas, 2 LSU, 3 Alabama

If Arkansas wins a close one, then Alabama would have the best results of the bunch among the three in the relevant games:

LSU would have a close win and a close loss
Arkansas would have a close win and a blowout loss
Alabama would have a blowout win and a close loss

Voters will do what voters will do, but that would be insanity to punish Alabama in the last week for beating Auburn and looking at the results among the three (LSU, Arky, Bama)

by Nico2.0 on Nov 20, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't necessarily think it's insane.

If Arkansas beats LSU then I’d give it a 50/50 shot of playing out that way. I think it will either be that way or it will be #1Arkansas, #2 Bama, #3 LSU.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I pretty much agree.

If Arkansas beats LSU then I don’t see any way they leave Arkansas at #3. Whether it is a blowout win or not shouldn’t matter. That would have been like the voters placing Alabama over LSU a couple of weeks ago after a close loss. it doesn’t make any sense.

I think your 1st and 3rd rankings are the most likely in that scenario.

by AllTideUp on Nov 20, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Oklahoma State wins out, the computers will probably have them a unanimous #2.

If that gets them as high as #3 in the polls – and it will, I think – that’s probably good enough unless Alabama is a unanimous #2 in the polls. If any reasonable-sized faction of voters says “screw a rematch”, the computers will do the rest.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 20, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

I think they'll jump Va Tech, but I don't know that they'd jump Stanford

Maybe the conference title would do it for them though. I dunno.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Cal was an unranked team…

by inquisitiveman on Nov 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That game was not anywhere near as close as the score

Cal scored two touchdowns in the fourth quarter after the game was effectively out of reach, and the second was with 14 seconds left. Stanford was trying to run out the clock with prevent defense, not to stop Cal at all costs.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Two best teams

Voters cannot be just fans. I understand that people want something different, but most of the voters have been around CFB long enough to recognize their ethical responsibility to players on all teams, not just the one that seems to be the interesting counterpart to LSU’s defense.

Those final ballots are published. They are not going against Alabama merely on style points. As for Stanford, they got drilled by Oregon, who got drilled by LSU and lost to USC. If people want to try equivalency arguments with Alabama, have fun with that.

I went to UNC. I’m just hoping to avoid massive penalties for my own school. But two best teams means two best teams. Every time the system does something funky to squeeze a B12 team into the championship game (three time in the last decade), the B12 team loses in a route.

Enough already.

by Bocktean on Nov 20, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

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