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Cincinnati Bengals announce the 2009 Practice Squad; welcome back Chris Pressley

Kirkendall — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:28:28 -0000

On Sunday afternoon, the Cincinnati Bengals announced the team's practice squad, Tweets Joe Reedy. One of those players is beloved fullback Chris Pressley, who impressed the hell out of fans and coaches for his physicality during Hard Knocks and the preseason. Jason Shirley also returns with the Cincinnati Bengals, who is learning how to play guard and likely Marvin Lewis' newest pet project. After playing sparingly in 2008 as a rookie, Corey Lynch joins the practice squad.

Other practice squad signees are Tight End Darius Hill, Running back James Johnson, Defensive Tackle Clinton McDonald and Linebacker Dan Skuta. Here's the complete list:

FB	Chris Pressley
WR	Maurice Purify
OG	Jason Shirley
TE	Darius Hill
S	Corey Lynch
RB	James Johnson
DT	Clinton McDonald
LB	Dan Skuta

Predicting the Cincinnati Bengals' 53-man roster. A look into the minds of CincyJungle writers

Kirkendall — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:05:53 -0000

On Friday, Josh (Kirkendall), Craig (A Pragmatic Bengals Fan), Chris (IFChris) and Jake (jsl413) sat in a room and decided to take on the task filling out the 53-man roster. While initially our intended goal was based on prediction, we also set the roster with players that we think makes the team stronger. For example, our more radical idea that might not be on the mind of the Bengals brass, is to take four running backs, two fullbacks and only two tight ends. We thought that keeping four good running backs and two good full backs would make the team far more stronger than simply adding a third tight end that's currently on the roster; or some tight end that another team released. Even if Dorsey is the fourth running back, he's a strong contributor on special teams. So he makes the team stronger, in our minds. Anyway.

Let's get right to it. Here's our 53-man roster.

Quarterback (3)	Carson Palmer	Defensive End (4)	Antwan Odom
	J.T. O'Sullivan		Robert Geathers
	Jordan Palmer		Michael Johnson
			Jonathan Fanene
Running back (4)	Cedric Benson
	Bernard Scott	Defensive Tackle (4)	Pat Sims
	Brian Leonard		Domata Peko
	DeDe Dorsey		Tank Johnson
			Langston Moore
Fullbacks (2)	Jeremi Johnson
	Fui Vakapuna	Linebackers (7)	Keith Rivers
			Dhani Jones
Tight Ends (2)	Daniel Coats		Rey Maualuga
	Chase Coffman		Rashad Jeanty
			Brandon Johnson
Wide Receiver (6)	Chad Ochocinco		Abdul Hodge
	Laveranues Coles		Darryl Blackstock
	Chris Henry
	Andre Caldwell	Secondary (9)	Johnathan Joseph
	Jerome Simpson		Leon Hall
	Quan Cosby		Chris Crocker
			Chinedum Ndukwe
Offensive Line (9)	Andrew Whitworth		Roy Williams
	Bobbie Williams		Kyries Hebert
	Nate Livings		Tom Nelson
	Kyle Cook		Morgan Trent
	Anthony Collins		David Jones
	Andre Smith
	Scott Kooistra	Special Teams (3)	Shayne Graham
	Jonathan Luigs		Kevin Huber
	Dennis Roland		Brad St. Louis

There's several notable players missing. For example, after some debate, we elected to keep Jason Shirley off the roster, thinking he could be a Marvin Lewis project; which could force him on the practice squad if he clears waivers. In our minds, he's just not ready yet. Marvin White missed the cut; not because of anything he did, but we felt others were surpassing him. However, we shouldn't be surprised if he makes the team. Antonio Chatman's history is too much for a roster spot and a debate broke out between keeping Cosby and Maurice Purify. And we all loved Dan Stuka.

Stay with us all day as we analyze the team's roster cuts as they come through.

Here's a transcript of our entire conversation, or round table, that shows how we came to the conclusion on our 53-man roster.

TRANSCRIPT

Josh Kirkendall: We have 75 players and 53 spots. So by the end of the day, we'll be eliminating 22 players. I know you guys agree that quarterback is relatively easy enough. So let's get to the meat and potatoes of the topic. Running back.
Craig: Wow, diving right in.
Jake: Well running back, to me, is going to be Cedric Benson, Brian Leonard, and Bernard Scott. Just a question of if they keep four. They will want to protect Scott, and they went out and traded for Leonard, so they must see something in him
Craig: I agree with Jake, but not on the order. I think it'll be Benson, Scott, and Leonard. If they keep 4, obviously DeDe Dorsey will stick. Odd man out is James Johnson.
Jake: I honestly think we'll see Scott/Leonard split 2nd string duties. They're both pretty good.
Josh: I agree. I think Cedric and Scott are locks. And Scott and Dorsey have the same skillset. So if the team goes with three running backs, then Dorsey is the odd man out. However, if they go four, then do the Bengals only keep Jeremi Johnson at full back? Many, including the coaches, have high praise with Chris Pressley.
Jake: I don't think they'll risk just keeping Johnson at FB. If they do, they'll definitely put Pressley on the practice squad.
Josh: Last year, the Bengals took three running backs and 2 fullbacks.
Craig: As much as I like Vakapuna's ceiling, you can't let go of a guy who bent a friggin' facemask. Pressley has to stay if at all possible.
Josh: Do you think there's a chance that they keep Johnson and Vakapuna, but put Pressley on the practice squad. In terms of exposure, or notoriety, more people recognize Vakapuna's name more than Pressley's.
Craig: I think Hard Knocks may make it tough to sneak Pressley through to the PS, honestly.
Josh: Good point.

(Chris wakes from his slumber)

Chris: So is Kenny Watson done?
Jake: He was cut a while ago.
Chris: (sigh)
Josh: If the Bengals go four running backs, then who is the fullback?
Chris: Fui
Craig: I think, unfortunate as it is, that JJ is the first FB on the roster. Redeemer and all.
Jake: I think Jeremi Johnson is completely capable as long as he keeps in shape. He had a couple of excellent seasons, remember.
Josh: I agree there. JJ makes the squad as the starting fullback.
Chris: From the limited stuff I've seen, I like what Fui brings.
Josh: Now, if the Bengals take three running backs, who is your backup fullback?
Craig: At this point, I think that Pressley is the second man on the roster. The coaches in the meetings said, point blank, that Pressley is the best blocker.
Josh: You've seen on Hard Knocks how much the coaches play his tough style. Didn't Mike Brown ask what a fullback does?
Chris: Wow
Jake: They love physicality. They want to compete with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
Craig: That's why I hate Johnson being around. There's no reason to not keep Fui and Pressley around. Jake hits it on the head. Pressley gives them the best chance at pancaking the linebacking corps of the AFC North.
Chris: So who's the starter?
Craig: Johnson.
Chris: Gotcha
Josh: An interesting thought is keeping Johnson and Vakapuna and sneak Pressley through Waivers for the practice squad. How many squads are looking for a FB anyway? He might not be that well known. Though I think Craig is right about Hard Knocks documenting him so much. Damned Hard Knocks.

Josh: I had an interesting thought. What if the Bengals go with four running backs, two fullbacks and only two tight ends? And you know that Coats and Chase make the squad. It's a weakened position anyway and I don't expect signing someone that make us instantly better. Plus the offense has never really utilized the TE position.
Jake: When was the last time they carried only 2 tight ends?
Josh: Actually, they only kept two last year and in 2006.
Craig: That's actually a good though, Josh. I like that.
Jake: Interesting. Well, given how shallow it is, I guess two isn't a bad idea. They can use Andre Smith at a TE in goalline packages.
Craig: They can toss that around, if he ever gets in shape.
Chris: I was going more for fullback for Andre
Jake: No way a 350 pounder can play anywhere but on the line of scrimmage.
Craig: Again...did you see the fat guy waddle he was rocking in last week's Hard Knocks? Dude looked terrrrrible.
Josh: The thought is that you keep the running back and fullback position strong, while keeping TE status quo. The question at this point is who will be available after cut down day that the team could sign that would make the tight ends better. And does Foschi really make your squad better than, say, Dorsey and/or Pressley?
Craig: Absolutely not would be the answer to your question, Josh.
Jake: Does Pressley have the ability to learn TE?
Josh: Like a hybrid?
Jake: Yeah, like Coats. Except better.
Josh: I will make another prediction that Foschi makes the practice squad. Of the things he's shown, he's not bad. Needs some refinement; could he could be a decent third TE in this league.
Chris: I like the two tight ends and it keeps a space in off chance Utecht ever gets healthy. Which is doubtful
Josh: Utecht is out for the year. On IR.
Craig: I doubt we see him ever again.
Chris: Me too
Josh: That could depend on Coats.
Craig: I don't mind Coats, but I don't think anyone sees him as a long term answer to anything? Pressley wouldn't be a bad option as a RB/FB hybrid. How are his hands?
Josh: To be honest, I'm not sure. He didn't have a catch this preseason.
Chris: Coffman is obviously being groomed here.
Chris: Keep in mind, Kelly might be healthy next season too
Josh: I'm not sure he'll be back either. He's UFA after this year
Craig: I look for big things from Coffman, just not this year. Not early, anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing Kelly come back as a coach in some capacity.
Josh: Yea, he's a strong lockerroom presence. The team respects him alot.
Chris: If he still wants to play, I'd sign to a one-year at least
Craig: Absolutely.
Chris: Make him Chase's personal coach
Jake: Chase isn't going be anything like Kelly was though. He's not the blocking type. Although if he developed strength, that's something he could work on this year, that would be a bonus.
Josh: There's a lot of interesting thoughts here. But the question is, what do we do? Do we keep 3RB/2FB/3TE or 4 RB/1FB/3TB or 4RB/2FB/2TE? I like the latter. The 4RB/2FB/2TE.
Chris: The latter
Craig: I say 4/2/2. I think that's the best way to keep the most talent on the squad.
Jake: I'd say 4 2 2
Josh: Sweet.

Josh: So who is the second fullback? I favor Pressley. Though I believe the team will go with Vakapuna.
Craig: I really think its Pressley, which means we'll lose Fui.
Chris: If the staff says Pressley is the better blocker...
Craig: Although, check that; Mike Brown is in the equation. The coaches want Pressley, but I bet dollars to doughnuts that Mike goes with the draft pick.
Josh: I wouldn't doubt that.
Craig: So are we agreed on Vakapuna then, even reluctantly?
Chris: I want the best blocker
Josh: I'm honestly not sure.
Jake: I'd assume we keep the draft pick. Pressley to the practice squad.
Chris: Then yeah, the draft pick
Craig: If he makes it there
Josh: I think I favor Pressley, but I see the team taking Fui.
Chris: Fui is supposed to be a good pass-catcher

(Josh departs momentarily)

Craig: What are your guys' plans for the holiday weekend?
Chris: I cannot wait for tomorrow. College football overdose.
Jake: Party?
Craig: I know! I have a wedding to attend tomorrow, then I'll be at the Canfield Fair all day on Sunday. Performing in a big show Sunday night.
Chris: Yes, absolutely a party
Jake: All my friends are away.
Craig: It's all right, you'll have several college athletes to keep you company!
Chris: Beer and college football. That'll be all the friends we need.

Josh: I believe the top four wide receivers are set: Chad Ochocinco, Laveranues Coles, Chris Henry, and Andre Caldwell. I think the team keeps Jerome Simpson simply because he was the team's second round pick last year. There are four wide receivers competing for that last spot. Now, do you guys believe Simpson makes the squad? If so, then who will be the sixth? I believe Quan Cosby makes it.
Jake: I think Simpson definitely makes it. He's flashed some skills.
Craig: It's down to Purify or Cosby for me if Simpson stays; which I think he does also.
Jake: I didn't see enough of the game last night to make the call if Cosby makes it
Craig: Cosby didn't do much if anything last night, but neither did Purify; if I recall correctly, anyway. Again, I missed the first half.
Chris: Simpson stays.
Josh: What about Antonio Chatman? He could be a Marvin Lewis favorite, making the squad by default. Purify's only advantage is that he has more receptions than Cosby. Cosby has none on offense, by the way.
Jake: How could Chatman possibly make it at this point?
Craig: Man. Forgot about Chatman, completely.
Josh: I don't see it either.
Craig: I think I agree. Chatman has to be out.
Jake: I mean, I guess I see that he's Marvin’s boy, but man, please, no.
Josh: Then you have Freddie Brown.
Chris: He can't stay over Cosby or Purify? Or won't I guess
Craig: Ocho, Coles, Henry, Caldwell, Simpson, Purify for Craig. Tom Nelson makes Cosby expendable/PS candidate.
Josh: They could justify that Chatman, when healthy, is the better receiver on offense. And to be honest, I would agree. However, the durability issue makes it impossible for me to keep.
Craig: I don't see Chatman outplaying Purify at this point. Not even close. Although, when healthy, yeah. I suppose.
Chris: Ocho, Coles, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Chatman
Josh: Wow. We're totally split on this one. I predict Cosby, only because of his punt return potential. Chris has Chatman, Craig has Purify and Jake just hates Chatman.
Chris: I have Chatman because he's Marvin's boy and has experience with the team.
Jake: I don't like any of the options at number six.
Josh: I honestly can see that, Chris.
Craig: I'd like to see Cosby stick, I really would. Maybe they practice squad Purify again if Chatman doesn't stick.
Jake: He hasn't played or practiced. No way Chatman makes it
Chris: Yeah, that's true too. If not Chatman, Cosby. But Purify is damn physical for his size.
Jake: Cosby has some good special teams utility, but I don't think he has enough to stick. Bernard Scott looked great in that kick return.
Craig: I just hate to see them maybe lose Purify. The guy's a beast physically.
Chris: That's true. More so than Cosby
Josh: So it's between Cosby and Purify. Let's take a vote.
Chris: I'm changing my vote again
Craig: He made Roy Williams look like a fool in the Oklahoma.
Chris: Damn persuasive up in here
Josh: That was embarrassing as hell for Roy.
Craig: That said, first punt return for touchdown in, what, five years?
Josh: Who was also trying to cop out of the drills with Coles.
Jake: Purify is my vote.
Chris: I voted for Cosby for punt return. But the Scott point made perfect sense.
Craig: I'm so glad I'm not making this decision for the team! Don't forget Tom Nelson's 44-yard return last week either.
Josh: Alright, Purify?
Craig: The more they're going to want to use Scott in the offense the less they're going to use him in the return game, remember.
Josh: Good point, Craig.
Chris: I hate that concept
Josh: I think Scott would be kickoff return anyway, not punt return.
Jake: If they keep four running backs, Scott won't get much playing time. We think they keep 4 RB, so Scott can return kicks and play on some third downs.
Josh: Dorsey could too.
Craig: Ah! Okay. Ocho. Coles. Henry. Caldwell. Simpson. Cosby. That's my final answer.
Josh: But the issue is punt return; Scott hasn't returned a punt yet. Cosby, in the preseason, returned seven punts and Nelson got six.
Craig: Purify to the practice squad for the second year running.
Chris: I’m back on Cosby again
Josh: OK, time for final vote.
Chris: Cosby
Craig: Cosby
Jake: I think Cosby will make it. Sorry. I want Purify.
Josh: I can see why. You're right. He is a beast.
Craig: I'd be okay with Cosby, really. We have enough talent on offense that I think the 6th WR has to contribute in other ways anyway, so Cosby is the better call the more I think about it.
Josh: I just think that Cosby brings more immediate contributions. Purify isn't a returner and I highly doubt he gets any playing time with Chad, Coles, Henry and Caldwell in front.

Josh: In 2006 and 2008, the Bengals took nine offensive linemen. In 2007, they kept eight. We can assume they're keeping Andre Whitworth, Bobbie Williams, Kyle Cook, Nate Livings, Anthony Collins, Andre Smith, Jonathan Luigs and Scott Kooistra. So we're left with one spot left.
Jake: Jason Shirley
Josh: OK, there's two thoughts here. We could go with eight and be done.
Craig: Well, if we do keep nine including Shirley or someone else, which position is left to suffer?
Josh: The issue with a ninth is that we could be cutting into the defensive roster -- which might not be a bad idea because they seem like the stronger of the two units.
Chris: Or keep eight and keep Purify. But yeah, I see the point about not hurting the defense as bad
Josh: And I disagree with Shirley. While he's literally throwing guys when blocking, I just don't think he's ready to make the roster. He's the typical Marvin Lewis project guy. I think he's still eligible for the practice squad. I think Dennis Roland has a better shot.
Chris: "literally throwing guys when blocking" Is a hard talent to ignore, even if he is a little raw.
Craig: Shirley should be eligible for the practice squad, but I'd bet good money that we'd lose him in the process, especially with him being such a mauler at guard.
Josh: I agree, Chris. That's why I think they'll hope he clears waivers. It wasn't so long ago that Marvin Lewis said flatly on Hard Knocks that Shirley's last chance to make the squad at all was to convert to the offense. In reality, the question is do you want to keep a fourth guard, or a fourth tackle.
Craig: Fourth tackle, for my money. How are we looking at Andre Smith in this equation? Are we actually talking about a fifth tackle?
Josh: That's why I think Roland's the better choice right now. Think of it this way. If Smith doesn't return soon, and god forbid, Whitworth or Collins goes down, we're out of tackles.
Chris: I need a beer
Josh: Sure, Kooistra can play the position, but he's been working mostly guard too.
Craig: I agree with you, Josh. Roland is the smart choice here.
Josh: For now at least. If Shirley passes waivers and I believe he will, and then he's signed to the practice squad, that would be the best scenario for him.
Craig: I'm cool with that. I might be overestimating, but I do worry that he won't clear waivers.
Josh: We also have Evan Mathis and Andrew Crummey. Think those two have a shot?
Craig: I'd say Mathis more than Crummey.
Josh: Alright, full vote. Between Roland and Shirley.
Chris: Roland
Craig: 2. Reluctantly.
Jake: Humph. Roland, I guess. I'd like Shirley.
Josh: I think we all would, to be honest.
Chris: Yep. Tackle will win out, however
Josh: Alright. The offense is set. SWEET!

Craig: Sidebar: Any kind of wishing we could keep Swank?
Josh: He proved that franchising Graham was kind of redonkulous. I love that word.
Jake: Swank hasn't been that impressive. But he made what Josh said true
Craig: Makes me think of Koothrapali in Big Bang Theory.

Josh: Now, historically, the Bengals have taken eight defensive linemen. Mostly it's four defensive ends and four defensive tackles. Here's what I think are locks; Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Michael Johnson, Pat Sims, Tank Johnson and Domata Peko. That leaves two guys.
Craig: Rucker should be in the equation probably.
Josh: Well, you got Fanene and Rucker at defensive end. Harrington too.
Craig: Right, Fanene and Harrington the tight end.
Josh: Then you have Clinton McDonald, Langston Moore and Vernell Jenkins at DT.
Chris: I'm voting Jenkins. And you all already know that
Josh: A little UK love?
Jake: Moore's gotta make it.
Craig: Moore is a good pick too.
Chris: Absolutely
Craig: So we really need one end and one tackle. Rucker and Moore?
Josh: I think Moore is the more likely pick. Does that leave McDonald on the practice squad? As for Rucker, I think Fanene beats him out. And the only reason I say that is Rucker's durability. He has none.
Chris: True
Craig: Yeah, you're right. For some reason I always forget about Fanene.
Jake: Might be hard to deny Rucker a spot though, he has quite a bit of talent and has played well.
Craig: He's one of those guys that's just solid and makes plays.
Josh: In three seasons, Rucker has only played 16 games.
Chris: Sterling
Craig: Ouch.
Josh: I like Rucker too. I mean, the dude will catch on with easily another team.
Chris: And be healthy
Craig: And be a perennial All-Pro and eventual HoF inductee.
Chris: You got it
Josh: Cincinnati karma.
Jake: Fanene has been pretty solid though when he gets playing time.
Craig: I like Fanene for his DE/DT versatility. Similar to Bryan Robinson in that regard.
Josh: Fanene has only missed two games in the past two seasons, though he hasn't been flashy. I like his versatility too.
Craig: I think this team is at the point where they need to (at least on the defensive side of the ball) put guys in place who make plays, not guys who might make plays. This defensive unit is CLOSE.
So for his solid play and durability/versatility, my vote goes to Fanene I think.
Josh: I agree. And if Rucker stays healthy, he fits that bill. But you have to depend on the guy too.
Craig: Right. That was my primary point.
Josh: On the other hand, Harrington has two sacks this preseason.
Craig: Yeah. Crap.
Chris: That's big
Josh: Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Craig: What string was he playing against?
Josh: Not much against the first team. Not really sure if he had many first half snaps.
Craig: So that's in the equation too, kind of, sorta.
Josh: Agreed. So the question between Rucker and Fanene is health. Harrington, if he passes waivers, can be ~~the team's starting tight end and~~ join the practice squad.
Craig: So Rucker=out. Another third round pick down the tubes (3rd?). Guys? Fanene or Harrington? All considered I think it has to be Fanene.
Josh : I'm picking Fanene, only because of the question about Rucker's health.
Chris: Didn't we establish Mike Brown likes draft picks?
Craig: lol @ the TE comment. That'll never get old.
Josh: I've cried every night in my sleep after that.
Craig: So we agree that WE want Fanene. Thoughts on what will actually happen?
Josh: I actually think it'll be Fanene. He's on his second contract right now anyway. So you know the team likes him, and Jake is right, Fanene is solid.
Craig: I'm good with that, Josh.
Jake: I think Fanene will stick.
Josh : So we went with Langston Moore and Jonathan Fanene.

Josh: In respect to linebackers, the Bengals took eight in 2006, seven in 2007, and six in 2008. The locks, I think, are Keith Rivers, Dhani Jones, Rey Maualuga, Rashad Jeanty and Brandon Johnson.
Craig: Yep.
Josh: I really liked Hodge during preseason and he's a special teams contributor. I think he backs up Dhani.
Jake: Hodge absolutely sticks. Simmons will be sure of it.
Craig: Right.
Chris: That's six.
Craig: So. Maxwell? In or out?
Jake: I dunno about Maxwell.
Josh: I think Blackstock makes it, if for any reason, he can play defensive end also.
Craig: I was going to say I think Blackstock sticks. His career-ending hit on Utecht has to count for something other than wasting another of my Bengals jerseys.
Josh: Then you have Dan Stuka.
Chris: I vote for him on name alone. That's just a badass name
Craig: We need to bring back Bjork.
Jake: Reminds me too much of Ditka
Josh: There's another issue we need to consider. Do we just keep six backers and 10 in the secondary? Or seven backers and 9 in the secondary.
Craig: Got to be 7 and 9, I think.
Chris: "What's your name, punk?" "Dan STUKA." "Oh, damn. Don't mess w/that guy." "Damn right.
Chris: I'm sorry
Josh: It's a sweet football name. Then the seventh linebacker has to be Blackstock.
Craig: Absolutely. Blackstock at #7 backer.
Chris: Yes, Blackstock
Josh: Alright, we'll go with Blackstock.

Craig: So we're on to the secondary then?
Josh : Now this will be the toughest one of the night -- and the last.
Craig: Josh, locks?
Chris: (whispers) Dan Stuka will be watching us. Remember that.
Josh: I got Johnathan Joseph, Leon Hall, Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe and Roy Williams. Now, I think Tom Nelson is a close lock -- like most everyone else, I loved his play.
Craig: Hall, Joseph, Jones, Crocker, Ndukwe, Williams, Nelson would be my locks. Personally.
Josh: I agree, so Nelson makes the team?
Chris: Who's that kid that made that huge sack against the Pats?
Craig: I don't see how he can't make the team. The guy's a beast.
Josh: Chris likes Nelson too.
Chris: Yeah, him
Craig: Nelson brings versatility as I think he could be a nickel corner also.
Chris: He's certainly got the speed for nickel
Josh: I question David Jones. Is the talent in the secondary deep enough? Is Jones worth keeping, though he didn't make any preseason games?
Craig: It depends on how confident they are with either trying Nelson there or Geoff Pope.
Josh: No thanks on Pope.
Craig: Just sayin'.
Josh: Kyries Hebert is another I like that doesn't much notice, because his strength is his special teams play.
Craig: I'm glad Fletcher is already gone so we don't have to factor him in.
Josh: No doubt
Craig: Yeah, Hebert's got to stay. Led in teams tackles last year, didn't he?
Josh: Yea. We're up to seven. What about Morgan Trent? We need to start looking at cornerbacks. We've listed five safeties already.
Craig: Okay. I think Trent sticks.
Josh: Trent makes the team. You agree?
Chris: Absolutely. Haven't seen much, but what I've read.
Josh : He hasn't been bad.
Craig: So one more. Lynch? That's another safety so maybe Lynch goes.
Josh: I don't know. This is where I think David Jones squeezes in.
Craig: Yeah, more than likely.
Josh: You could also go Pope or Rico Murray.
Craig: Jones improved over last season. No. Jones is better than either of them. Practice squad Pope again, he may be ready next year.
Josh: Jones was placed on the depth chart as the third CB at the start of training camp. Do we reluctantly agree with Jones, or do you guys think we should go with six safeties and keep Lynch?
Craig: That probably depends on Nelson's cover skills.
Chris: Three cornerbacks?
Craig: I wouldn't mind keeping Lynch around, but we definitely need another corner.
Josh: What about Marvin White. We're completely excluding him.
Craig: I'm getting a headache.
Josh: We could swap out Hebert for White.
Craig: Crap, I didn't even realize that White wasn't on our list. I think that says enough about him, though. I think White goes.
Josh: Axe White?
Craig: How do you keep him over your number one special teams guy?
Josh: I'm just not sure where he'd fit in. It would be a numbers game. On the other hand, would the Bengals elect to keep White over Nelson?
Craig: A couple of years ago our special teams squad was decimated and it took over a year to shore it back up. I don't want to see that happen again.
Chris: Better not
Craig: White/Nelson. That's actually probably the best battle happening right now on defense.
Josh: Or, we could dump a running back for another guy in the secondary.
Craig: Dump Dorsey if we want to go that route.
Josh: Dump the oft-injured Dorsey for White. Now we're getting interesting.
Craig: For me? No question. None at all.
Chris: See ya
Craig: What will Mike Brown do, though?
Josh: Exactly.
Chris: Suck. That's what he'll do
Josh: I can see that.
Craig: Son of a gun. I'm stressing about this like we have any say in the matter right now, rubbing my temples and such.
Josh: LOL. We're on the last roster spot. Here's something else to consider. Dating back to 2006, the Bengals have always taken ten or more defensive backs.
Chris: STUKA. Sorry
Craig: So we're short unless we knock off Dorsey, which throws us back into the Dorsey/Leonard discussion. I really wish he hadn't have blocked/returned that punt.
Josh: In regards to Dorsey, I'm not sure if we should use a spot on him for blocking a punt. While it's nice, it's never a certainty. And with Dorsey's skillset, we have Scott.
Craig: I know that. You know that. Bratkowski talked on this week's Hard Knocks about him blocking the field goal two years ago.
Josh: Yea, it just goes to show how fickle the coaches are on the competition.
Craig: Right. I mean, I like a punt block and touchdown as much as the next guy, but...
Josh: On another note, think about it this time last year. You know who we were discussing? Perry, Watson, Dorsey. So you're starting to favor cutting Dorsey for a 10th defensive back?
Craig: Wow. What a difference a year makes. Yes. Yes, I am. Dorsey goes, White stays for me.
Chris: I don't see them dumping a four-year player for a 10th defensive back. Just sayin'
Josh: I think it's a valid point. Do you get rid of Dorsey, who played redonkulous this preseason, for sheer numbers in the secondary? Instead of White, we could keep Lynch. Or we could keep Pope However, here's another point. How much playing time do we really expect Dorsey to get with Cedric, Scott and Leonard in front of him.
Chris: What if Cedric goes back to sucking?
Craig: Dorsey is just going to get hurt. Again.
Chris: Maybe more than it would first seem.
Craig: Chris, that's when Scott takes over.
Chris: Every down?
Craig: Leonard will share. I'm not worried about Cedric, though.
Chris: I am.
Josh: Honestly, if Benson goes down, then I think Leonard becomes the feature back and then Dorsey would be the team's third-down back. And if Benson sucks, then Palmer throws for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns. No problem.
Chris: Over Scott? Leonard.
Josh: I think Leonard has the build and style to be a feature back. Scott needs to be that change of pace guy. I would be surprised if he ever gets 15 carries this year.
Craig: LT, Josh?
Josh: You're comparing Scott to LT?
Craig: No. Just sayin'.
Chris: He's got mad skill
Josh: Hey, who knows what happens. I just don't think takes over a feature back role this year.
Craig: Okay. Does DeDe stay or go?
Chris: Stay.

Josh: Here's where we are. We have 52 players set now. We have only 9 defensive backs. The Bengals have historically taken 10 or more. We're thinking of freeing up a spot to give us a 10th, and we instinctively went right to DeDe.
Jake: I have company.
Craig: Nice.
Chris: Pics?
Josh: iPhone?

Josh: We're so close! One more... we... can... do... it... We just need to make a decision. Do we take someone out in favor of a 10th defensive back?
Craig: Okay. DeDe is long past practice squad-eligible, right? Not that it would matter, someone would snatch him up like the Colts did anyway.
Josh: You guys know that the Bengals coaches are right now talking about this.
Chris: I'm keeping Dorsey.

Should we take anything from the team's rushing offense against the Colts; great foundation for rebuilt rushing offense?

Kirkendall — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:00:12 -0000

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2 months ago: Cincinnati Bengals running back Cedric Benson (32) is tackled by Indianapolis Colts safety Jamie Silva (40) in the first half of a preseason NFL football game, Thursday, Sept. 3, 2009, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/David Kohl)

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On the stat sheet, it was impressive. On 43 attempts the Bengals offense recorded 296 yards rushing -- a staggering 6.9 yards-per-rush team average. Three different running backs recorded 50 yards or more and all five finished with an average of five yards per rush. Leonard, Scott and Benson recorded at least 23 yards on a single rush attempt. Impressive that might seem, is it wise to adjust and finalize the roster based on this performance? Were any questions answered or were they prolonged? The Colts started two regular starters; so the first team Bengals offense was already playing a backup defense. On the other hand, the Bengals offense started swapping in backup players by the next offensive possession against a defense that averaged 124 yards rushing allowed per game heading into the preseason finale.

As for the season, the Bengals rushed for more than four-yards per attempt through their last three games, recording seven first downs or more on the ground. Here's the game-by-game breakdown.

	@ NO	@ NE	STL	INDY
Yards Rushing	90	173	141	296
Attempts	27	35	32	43
Yards/Att	3.3	4.9	4.4	6.9
First Downs	3	7	9	16
Touchdowns	0	0	1	1

There were periods that the rushing offense struggled early; for the most part, they played well, thanks to a rebuilt offensive line. To further breakdown the performance, the following shows how the Bengals rushing offense did in the first half, when the starters played (though not the entire half in most instances) of each preseason game.

	@ NO	@ NE	STL	INDY
Yards Rushing	61	49	54	168
Attempts	16	17	14	17
Yards/Att	3.8	2.9	3.9	9.9
First Downs	2	3	5	10
Touchdowns	0	0	1	1

The secondary question, after examining the team's effort rushing the ball, is the makeup of the personnel. If the battle is between Bernard Scott and DeDe Dorsey, two backs with similar running styles, then I would guess it would be Scott's. Leonard and Dorsey, it gets muddy. However, I would image in the Bengals would elect a tougher runner between the tackles in the AFC North. Then there's always the prevailing, "what if" the Bengals take four running backs. If that's the case, discussion is over. They take four. Nothing left to talk about.

	@ NO	@ NE	STL	INDY
Cedric Benson	8-28	10-28	5-17	2-35
Bernard Scott	6-20	5-6	8-54	5-43
Brian Leonard	6-10	7-34	4-6-1	9-64-1
DeDe Dorsey	3-5	4-60	4-22	13-68
James Johnson	--	4-22	8-25	11-55

The first number is rushing attempts. The second is yards rushing and the third is touchdowns scored.

Along with an offensive line that could struggle early with so many new pieces from this time a year ago, I believe the Bengals have a good building block for their entire rushing offense. However, I'm not sure if the Bengals should really use the game against Indianapolis as a means to finalize the roster. If questions remained about the position heading into the game, then those questions likely remain. It seemed to me anyone could have rushed well Thursday night. And it's not like anyone struggled. But like I said, while the choice will be difficult for the coaches, I believe we should be encouraged by the foundation this team is setting for the rushing offense.

Bengals Back-up Running Back Competition Heating Up

Jay McDonnell — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:45:10 -0000

I wrote an article a few weeks ago concerning the running back competition stating that the top two, Cedric Benson and Kenny Watson were set unless something unexpected happen. Well it did with the surprising release of Watson earlier this preseason leaving the backup spot wide open to the survivors. With one preseason game left, that spot does not look too be settled with 4 players looking to fill two to three spots.

The current depth chart shows Brian Leonard in the second spot with DeDe Dorsey third behind Benson. James Johnson and Bernard Scott are currently looking to knock both out of those spots. Currently, Scott has had a better preseason then everyone leading the team in rushing at 90 yards on 19 attempts averaging 4.7 yards per carry. Scott also has one catch for 12 yards. He has shown good speed to the outside and not afraid to stick his nose into the line. Dorsey, however, is just 3 yards behind Scott with 87 yards rushing on only 11 attempts but carries a whopping 7.9 yards per carry average including a 45 yard run. He has breakaway speed to the outside which should be a good compliment to Benson's inside running ability. His current yards per carry average are in line with his career average of 8.7 yards per carry.

Leonard, listed second on the depth chart, has a total of 50 yards rushing on 17 carries equaling a 2.9 yard average, lowest on the team. But unlike the other running backs, he has a touchdown. Leonard is known more for being able to catch the ball coming out of the back field for which he has 2 this preseason for 35 yards, equating to a 17.5 yard average per catch. However, one of his catches went for 25 yards which maybe inflating this stat. Johnson has not been fairing much better as he has 47 rushing yards on 12 attempts for a 3.9 yard average.

So where does this leave the Bengals running back situation? Thursday is the day that will determine who will be left standing. I am sure all will see a good amount of playing time as the coaches try to determine who will follow Benson. A dropped pass here, or a fumble there could spell the end of someone's career with the Bengals. So here is how I see it playing out.

If the Bengals decide to carry 3 running backs the ones who should, and I said should, be left standing are DeDe Dorsey and Bernard Scott. Both have shown speed that could lead to potential problems for defenses whether coming out of the back field to catch a pass or running the sweep. Now if the Bengals are solely looking to keep someone who can catch the ball out of the backfield and block, then expect to see Leonard take Dorsey's spot as Scott is younger and probably a little cheaper, which I feel would be a mistake since Leonard doesn't appear to have the speed necessary for additional yardage when taking the hand off. If the Bengals decide to carry 4 running backs, I would fully expect them to keep Leonard. Unfortunately, Johnson is the odd man out in both scenarios.

As you may see, the game against the Indianapolis Colts tomorrow will have big implications on the running back position. No one really knows what the coaching staff is thinking concerning roster spots and how many they may carry for the season at that position. If any of those vying for a spot as a running back think they have solidified their spot, Saturday will be the day to verify that feeling.

Game Rewind: How much was the Bengals offensive line to blame for the six sacks allowed against the Rams?

Kirkendall — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:40:46 -0000

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2 months ago: St. Louis Rams running back Steven Jackson (39) is tackled by Cincinnati Bengals defensive tackle Domata Peko (94) and Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Rashad Jeanty (53) in the first half of an NFL preseason football game, Thursday, Aug. 27, 2009, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/Ed Reinke)

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Anytime you watch a football game the second time around, you notice more things; not unlike watching a movie. In a lot of ways, when you watch the game live, objectivism is thrown out for raw emotion, or the peak of wondering what the hell is going on. In truth, we only care about winning. How we get there doesn't matter. A different justification comes with losing. When we lose, we point out failures and flaws. Obviously something wrong happened. We have to explain it; blame a player, a play or a coach (and in 2006, an NFL referee). It's not a fault of ours. It's human nature. The desire for explanation of things we can't necessarily explain initially. That's just the the way it is. You're worried about the moment. When one player makes a mistake, that mistake weighs heavier on people's impressions of that player for that game. For example, recently a lot of disapproval has been thrown around about Tight End Daniel Coats. After watching the game the second time, only once did I notice a truly awful play he made. It was an attempted block on a guy that tackled Cedric Benson four yards behind the line of scrimmage. Aside from that, he made his routine blocks and caught two passes for 18 yards -- including a first down reception during the team's second touchdown drive. Was he awful? Aside from that play, he was average. However, that awful play is far more remembered because of the detailed visual of Coats on his knees, watching the guy he blocked totally destroy a running play.

I'm going to take the same approach with the Bengals offensive line. Were they truly awful? Most of you will say yes, and when we woke up Friday morning I agreed. But the Bengals offensive line was the reason the Bengals rushing offense recorded 141 yards rushing and 4.4 yards-per-rush. If the Bengals maintain that average, there's every reason to believe the rushing offense will be very good. However, it's the six sacks allowed that we'll remember. But how much was the offensive line to blame for those sacks?

We take a look during this week's game rewind.

Sack #1. The situation is first-and-ten at the Bengals 30-yard line. It was their first possession in a game that already saw an exchange of touchdowns. The Bengals lined up four wide, two receivers flanking each side of the offensive line. The Rams blitzed three, causing a problem with protection because the offense didn't have enough players to protect against the pass rush. The defensive end and defensive tackle were neutralized by Andrew Whitworth and Nate Livings and Cedric Benson took out the blitzing outside linebacker. As a result, #37-Butler sprinted through the line unblocked. Was it the play of the offensive line that caused the sack? Or was it a combination of a good defensive call against a bad protection scheme?

Sack #2. The situation is first-and-ten at the Cincinnati 44-yard line with 2:46 left in the first quarter. The Bengals lined up off-set I formation, strong side to the right against a base 4-3 Rams defense. At the snap, the defense brought six -- which includes an outside and middle linebacker blitzing. Kyle Cook picked up the blitzing middle linebacker, while Bobbie Williams, Anthony Collins and Daniel Coats protected the right side of the line. Andrew Whitworth kicked out the defensive end and Nate Livings picked up the defensive tackle. In other words, the Bengals offensive line picked up everyone. Except for one -- #51-Witherspoon, who stunted around the blitzing #55-Laurinaitis finding a gap on the offensive line between Livings and Whitworth. J.T. O'Sullivan sidestepped #51-Witherspoon's attempted sack and moved up in the pocket. A quick observation here. If O'Sullivan stops at this point, he has time to look downfield and get rid of the ball. However, hindsight is 20/20 (would you do better?). O'Sullivan keeps his head down, tries to look for a running lane and finds #58-Vobora instead.

Through the first two sacks, you have to note that the Rams found gaps by stunting and overloading one side during a blitz. Is this an example of giving the offensive line a pass, or an excuse? One could argue that it is. However, the fact is the Bengals offense, not just the offensive line but the coaches and play-calling included, didn't adjust to the blitzes. Furthermore, few observations are made at the line of scrimmage that changes the play into a quick pass or the quarterback hitting hot reads. Everyone is at fault, including the offensive line -- but NOT only the offensive line.

Sack #3. Now, I'm not excusing the offensive line either. With 12:53 left in the third quarter, J.T. O'Sullivan sits in shotgun on third-and-eight at the Cincinnati 41-yard line. At the snap, Kyle Cook is completely overpowered, pushed back into the quarterback. O'Sullivan has to move out of the way, shifting to the left, finding #43-Dahl. However, I'm not so sure that if Cook actually blocked his man and held his ground, that O'Sullivan wouldn't have been sacked anyway. Like several situations in the game, the Bengals lined up with four wide receivers on third down. The Rams, in response to the formation, bring anywhere from six to seven pass rushers. On this sack, the Bengals had trips to the right and a lone wide receiver on the left. The Rams brought four guys on the right, where only two Cincinnati blockers stood their ground.

Sack #4. Sometimes you can defer blame from the offensive line to the quarterback, or just great defensive play. With 3:36 left in the third quarter, the Bengals have third-and-six at the Cincinnati 37-yard line. The Rams brought five, all on the right side of the Bengals line -- the right defensive end went into zone coverage in the flats and the weakside outside linebacker covered the middle. Even though the Rams had the numbers -- more rushers than the Bengals had blockers -- the protection held. Jordan Palmer scanned the field, scanned some more, decided that he should take longer to look and was eventually sacked by #94-Adeyanju. I counted over five seconds before the pass rush got to Palmer. Sometimes you have to give credit to the defense, and label plays like this as a coverage sack.

Sack #5. And we'll call it a coverage sack here. With 12:44 left in the fourth quarter, the Bengals have first-and-20 at the Cincinnati five-yard line. Palmer drops back, waits, watches, drinks tea, calls his girlfriend, waves to his older brother and then fumbles when #98 Ah You hits him from the front. Center Jonathan Luigs recovers the fumble and events go into motion several minutes later that would see Cincinnati make an impressive drive down the field -- going 96 yards in three plays for a touchdown to close the deficit to three.

Sack #6. Then there's the obvious. If you wanted evidence that ~~Randy Jackson~~ Augustus Parrish was only house-sitting for Andre Smiths' arrival with no possible shot at making the squad, here's the play. With seconds before the Two Minute Warning, Jordan Palmer rushes the offense to the line to get one more play off before the timeout after a five-yard gain by James Johnson. The Bengals are down by three points, with plenty of time left on the 29-yard line. There's no reason to rush to the line. When the ball was snapped, the game was over. Defensive end #92-Moore sprinted by Parrish, who looked very slow, leaving no doubt that he was giving up the game's sixth sack. It was one of those plays that you said uh-oh less than a second after the snap. The defensive end turned past Parrish and knocked the football out of Palmer's hand essentially giving the Rams the win.

The point we made earlier, that the six sacks allowed by the offensive line, was in fact, a team effort and not solely to blame on our big uglies, stands. By my count, twice the Rams called a defensive play that exposed problems on the protection scheme. Twice the quarterback held onto the football far too long because wide receivers couldn't get open; which we call coverage sacks. And twice an offensive lineman was simply beaten.

Is this the year that Geathers returns (aka, returns the investment the team made in him)? I believe Robert Geathers has all the potential to be the team's best defensive lineman. Aside from his 10.5 sacks in 2006, that potential hasn't translated into overwhelming success on the field. One observation many are making this year is that Geathers is performing; meaning he's making plays, but he's looking really good on plays he's not technically involved in (aka, not making the tackle). Against the Rams, he was everywhere. On the first play of the game, Geathers contained the edge, ran up-field and took out Steven Jackson for a one-yard loss. One first and ten with 12:01 left in the first quarter, Geathers (at LDE) slanted to the right, holding up the offensive guard, hitting Jackson for another one-yard loss. Along with a quarterback hit which came within a millisecond from being a sack, Geathers finished the game with four tackles and was around the football on nearly every run between the tackles. He's by far the team's best overall defensive end, strong against the run and pass.

Don't write off Jeanty just yet. Even though Rey Maualuga is getting all of the publicity (and being totally bad ass in the process), Rashad Jeanty isn't just keeping the position warm for the rookie. In fact, if it wasn't for Maualuga, there would be no competition. Jeanty starts. On first-and-ten at the Cincinnati 20-yard line (the play after the botched snap between Kyle Cook and O'Sullivan), Jeanty found the point of attack behind the left guard, took out the fullback and brought down Gado for a no-gain. Even though he only made three tackles for the game (his playing time reduced because of Maualuga), Jeanty is far superior than his competition on pass coverage. He knocked away one pass to a tight end, and sat in the hip pocket of a wide receiver. The receiver made the catch anyway only because Kyle Boller made a nice throw to #14-Burton, who extended out to make the catch. But a linebacker should never be in the hip pocket of a wide receiver.

A quick look at the newest veteran safety. Roy Williams might be a liability against the deep pass, but the boy can hit. On second-and-ten with :56 left in the first, #25-Pittman ran off the left edge. Chinedum Ndukwe flew into the running back first, wrapping his legs. Williams came in from behind and destroyed Pittman, causing the crowd to express themselves as only crowds do when seeing a big hit.

Then again, Williams made noticeable mistakes. On third-and-eight at the Bengals 44-yard line with 10:20 left in the first, Boller hit #89-Curry, running a crossing pattern from right to left. With Williams trailing a good 3-4 yards behind the receiver, the safety still had a shot to make the tackle and force the punt. Instead, Williams overshot the receiver, who cut up-field and picked up the first down.

Sometimes when the offense makes a good play, the defense plays disastrously. On the Rams' long touchdown drive, when #38-Gado ran up the middle for a 16-yard touchdown, Roy Williams took a bad angle and couldn't cut off Gado from reaching the end-zone. This isn't totally Williams' fault however. Rey Maualuga overshot the point of attack, Domata Peko (who is the team's defensive lineman that gets the most double teams) couldn't break the block (but did get an arm on him), Morgan Trent slid off the running back like Gado was covered in butter, and Ndukwe was blocked downfield by a wide receiver. It looked too easy.

If it wasn't for Tank Johnson, then it would be for Pat Sims. I think Tank Johnson, for the most part, has contributed. Has he made plays that stand out? No. That's typically not what good defensive tackles do. Unless your name is Pat Sims. With 2:59 left in the first half, the Rams drove to the Bengals 40-yard line. If the Rams pick up the first down on third-and-one, there's a high likelihood they kill the clock and convert a field goal, giving them a ten-point lead heading into Half Time. Strong with the force, Pat Sims fired off the line of scrimmage just as the ball is snapped. It was almost simultaneous -- like if the count was on two, Sims would have been called off-sides (however, when we make Star Wars references, it makes our day even brighter). The center had to block down on Sims because the left guard pulled to the right. Sims, already in the backfield when the center whiffed on the block, dropped Pittman for a four-yard loss, and five yards from the first down. Rams punt. Sims, for the second week in a row, makes a case that he, not Tank Johnson, should start for the 2009 Cincinnati Bengals.

Flags. Even though the Bengals committed eight penalties for 50 yards lost, the starting offensive line was responsible for only one. And it was ticky-tac at best. With 2:13 left in the first quarter, the Bengals lined up second-and-14 at their own 40-yard line. Cedric Benson gets the handoff and picks up 16 yards up the middle. The blocking itself was phenomenal. Everyone had their guy and buried them. Even Kyle Cook, who was called for offensive holding. In truth, this was one of those penalties that color commentators can't quite justify but refuse to make comments on questionable calls, simply saying, "but they'll call it every time." Cook fired out of his stance and took on the middle linebacker. As the two met, the linebacker shifted to his left with Cook's arm wrapping around the linebacker's chest. It didn't appear that Cook's phantom hold caused any noticeable advantage against the linebacker's progress and Cook removed his arm as quickly as it started wrapping around him. However, from the way it looked, the referees call this every time.

Other observations re-watching the Bengals game against the Rams.

Abdul Hodge has played excellent when given playing time. He's big and quickly reads against the rush. There's no doubt in my mind he's the team's backup middle linebacker and overall special teams guy.
The Bengals were far better tackling than they were against the Patriots. Everyone improved -- except for Michael Johnson, whose missed tackles that led to first downs.
Jonathan Fanene had a really good game, overpowering the left tackle nearly sacking the quarterback. On the Rams' first possession in the second half, Fanene held his ground against a Tight End. With the point of attack coming right at Fanene, he easily discarded the Tight End and dropped Darby.
On second-and-13 with 12:58 left in the second quarter, Cedric Benson picked up 12 yards. Daniel Coats, motioning to the right and becoming Benson's lead blocker, made the critical block that freed Benson up for the big gain.
Jeremi Johnson got the handoff on the next play, falling forward for three yards, converting on third-and-one. More of that please.
J.P. Foschi made several good run blocks.
I lost count how many times running back Bernard Scott made tacklers miss. Scott was the team's leading rusher, picking up 54 yards on eight carries, including a 22-yard run on third-and-21, forcing two missed tackles and a burst of speed that will never cease to be impressive.
On Brian Leonard's one-yard touchdown run, the Bengals lined up BIG, moving Andrew Whitworth to tight end on the right and Scott Kooistra at right tackle. Both buried their guys. Daniel Coats took out James Laurinaitis and Jeremi Johnson took out #37-Butler, who was sprinting up-field for the tackle.
On Jordan Palmer's interception, Chris Henry was running a seam down the right sidelines. Palmer just underthrew the pass and #36-Butler, trailing Henry by a step, made the lone interception in the game.

Is DeDe Dorsey edging closer towards a roster spot?

Kirkendall — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:31:23 -0000

The team's backup running back competition has been somewhat interesting, if not encouraging (go back to the start of 2008 to know my definition of discouraging). First, a quick statistical rundown.

	ATT.	Yards	Y/A	TDs	Long
Cedric Benson	18	56	3.1	0	11
Brian Leonard	13	44	3.4	0	9
Bernard Scott	11	36	3.3	0	14
DeDe Dorsey	7	65	9.3	0	45
James Johnson	4	22	5.5	0	13

There's two questions that could be asked. Which three running backs do you think the Bengals will take? Which three running backs should the Bengals take? Are both lists the same? I've long held the belief that the Bengals will take Benson (duh), Leonard and Scott. However, you have to wonder, is Dorsey upsetting that balance?

Scouts writes that Dorsey's performance against the New England Patriots could have given him an upper-hand as the team's third-string running back. Let's look at Dorsey's performance last week. Bengals have third-and-four at their own 18 yard line in the third quarter. Dorsey picks up eight yards on a sweep to the left and a first down. Two Brian Leonard rushes and eight yards later, Dorsey picks up 45 yards. That's two rushes for 53 yards. He finishes the night with rushes of six yards and one yard, all to the left. Not bad. However, all four carries took place in the third and fourth quarters. The soonest Dorsey got the call all preseason (read, two preseason games) was with 9:58 left in the third quarter last week against the Patriots.

Scott had a much rougher night, rushing five times for six yards; all in the second quarter. I disagree with Scouts assessment until the team gives Dorsey earlier looks against stronger defenses. I don't think that the Bengals will put so much weight on one preseason game. Now if the Bengals take four running backs, then that's a different story. But you have to remember that Scott looked very impressive against the Saints, averaging 5.0 yards on six attempts. And if you saw the game, you know the kid has potential.

There's also the special teams angle that could edge Dorsey closer to making the team. With two kickoff returns for 44 yards total, Dorsey has also recorded two special teams tackles (which is actually only one more than Scott). Is special teams play enough to give Dorsey an edge?

Depth of the 2009 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offense

jsl413 — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:36:51 -0000

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These guys are backups. One of them is really good, the other is not Carson Palmer. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

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Last night, we learned that the Bengals have excellent depth at the placekicking position in the form of Chad (Ochocinco) Johnson. Reviews from the media and around the league (except Skip Bayless) seem to approve of Johnson's kick. Jets Kicker Jay Feely gave Chad a 80/85 grade for his extra point from a technical point of view, saying "the only thing form wrong that he did technically is that he followed through too much, and his hips opened up... but, I mean, he got good elevation... and I was just as impressed with his kickoff! I think Skip as mad though because I think he kicked better than Skip could kick."

Feely also gave him an 85/85 for his kickoff. It's safe to say Feely is an Ochocinco fan. Speaking of Chad, Mark Schlereth just mentioned on SportsCenter's Fantasy Draft special that he thinks we'll see our star #1 WR recover to his previous form.

Moving on to the meat of this post, I contend that the Bengals are deeper across the board this year than we've seen in quite some time. Let's go position by position down the depth chart to determine how resilient our team will be as we sfight through inevitable NFL injuries this year.

Quarterback: Carson Palmer is obviously the key to making the Bengals go this year. Without Palmer, Cincinnati will not win that many games. But this year, I'm more comfortable with J.T. O'Sullivan than I was with he who must not be named from Harvard last year. So far this preseason, he's shown the ability to complete passes for more than 3 yards, as evidenced by beautiful throws last night to Chris Henry and Jerome Simpson (there was no pass interference) down the field. If Carson goes down, God forbid, we might not lose as much as we did last year.

Running Back: Running back this year is the first interesting position I'll touch on. Cedrick Benson comes into this season as the undisputed starter. But I don't think he'll get feature back carries, especially if he continues to rely on quickness and agility rather than downhill power running for which he is reputed. Given this trend, which was especially apparent last night, I think Brian Leonard is a definitive lock (he was anyway) to make the team and may steal some goal line carries.

Bengals.com lists DeDe Dorsey at #3, and he is no longer eligible for the practice squad. Dorsey is an injury liability, but has shown explosiveness nearly every time he's taken the field in orange and black.

That leaves Bernard Scott, James Johnson, and Marlon Lucky as the odd men out. Lucky is the first cut here, as far as I can tell. He's gotten only 2 touches this preseason, and must not be ready to go if he's getting that little playing time. In extremely limited time, James Johnson has looked decent, but I doubt he makes the team either.

If the Bengals carry 4 tailbacks, I'd assume they keep Scott since they burned a pick on him and his ceiling is so high. The biggest problem I've noticed with him is slow recognition and decision making this preseason. Last night, he missed a couple of holes as he stood around behind the line of scrimmage while he tried to figure out which way to go. When he does hit the hole though, Scott is quick and elusive, and is a big home run threat.

Really, though, no matter which backs the Bengals keep, this will be a deep position in 2009. There is talent all the way down the line. Of course, tailback success is largely dependant on the men pushing each other around in the trenches.

Fullback: On Hard Knocks, we saw running backs coach Jim Anderson reveal that, essentially, our fullback competition is tight this year. The Bengals.com depth chart lists Jeremy Johnson first, Fui Vakapuna second, and Chris Pressley third.

I have to imagine that Johnson makes the team if he continues to keep his work ethic up. He helped Rudi Johnson to a franchise record setting seasons in 2004 and 2005 and is a veteran of the system. But, the coaches have been really high on Vakapuna and Pressley.

I wouldn't be surprised if two of these guys make the team and the other is put on the practice squad. I'd almost expect the Bengals to try to maintain some sort of control over these guys this year as an insurance policy.

Tackle: The Bengals have at least insurance-level depth at both tackle positions this year, assuming Andre Smith at some point signs a contract. Dennis Roland has played well this preseason, indicating that he will be serviceable in an emergency substitution.

The front-runners, though, have looked pretty damn good for the most part. Andrew Whitworth and Anthony Collins have emerged as above-average offensive tackles. I doubt that either of them are Pro Bowl talents, however.

Andre Smith, if he signs, will get playing time this year. His talent indicates that he'll be a mainstay at tackle for years to come, but he is a rookie this year and I believe he would be only a marginal improvement over Collins, who has been present for camp. Regardless, we've got 3 starting quality tackles on this team right now as far as I am concerned.

Guard: The shallowest position on the offense, Bobbie Williams will have to stay healthy this year or the guards may be a sorry bunch. Nate Livings has played, for the most part, well so far in the preseason. But he will have his hands full with the Casey Hamptons of the AFCN. Scott Kooistra is not the worst back up the team could have, but there's a reason the now 7-year veteran is riding pine and Nate Livings, who was impressive at the end of last season let's not forget, is starting. The starters really need to stay healthy here.

Center: Bengals fans know the importance of quality center play in unifying and leading an offensive line. This year, the unit is slightly more veteran, despite some guys getting their first pro starts, these are men that have been in the league. The unit should benefit from the emergence of Kyle Cook, who looked great against the quality NT Vince Wilfork last night, winning the initial "push" battle about 3/4 of the time in the early going yesterday. The O-Line wasn't great at picking up blitzes consistently, but I expect that is something that will improve when Carson returns to the lineup.

The great thing this year is that we have a legitimate backup in center-of-the-future Jonathan Luigs. Luigs' college record at the center position is excellent. If Cook goes down, there just isn't a huge fall-off when we get to Luigs, whose skill set projects him to be a consistent but not quite dominant offensive centerpiece.

Wide Receiver: The deepest position on the offense is unquestionable the wide receiving corps this year. Antonio Chatman is currently listed as the 6th WR on the depth chart, and for a guy that was the #3 last year to be not making the team, that tells you something about the men that have stepped up and look great so far in preseason play.

Chad Johnson has, so far, looked like the Pro Bowl receiver we've been used to the past almost-decade. Chris Henry looks like he has accepted that wide receivers have to fight for some catches, and has looked good over the middle and over the top, too. You know what you get with Laveranues Coles, a solid guy who might get hurt but will be willing to go over the middle.

Young guys Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson are pretty good friends, and continue to develop in the wings. Chad won't last forever, and Coles is on the downside of his career at this point. Behind these "big 5", which I'd contend are one of the best 5-WR units in the league, Freddie Brown, Maurice Purify, and Quan Crosby should battle for a roster spot. Very deep position this year.

Tight End: This position looked a lot better when Reggie Kelly was healthy. But even without him, I think we're OK at TE. Ben Utecht and Chase Coffman both offer superb receiving potential for Carson Palmer this year, which we haven't had since he was drafted. Hopefully Daniel Coats steps into Kelly's shoes and has a good showing as the primary blocking Tight End this year.

What are your thoughts on the backups this year? Is there anyone I'm forgetting that has been impressive in the preseason?

Bengals Training Camp: Depth at Running Back is Open Competition

Kirkendall — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:57:25 -0000

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In his final three games last season, Cedric Benson recorded 462 yards total (rushing and receiving) on 89 touches -- 5.2 yards-per-touch. Against the Redskins, Browns and Chiefs, Benson recorded 355 yards rushing on 84 attempts (4.2 yards-per-rush). In his final two games, he recorded 282 yards against two of the league's worst rushing defenses -- Browns (28th) and Chiefs (30th). Even with Benson's closing performance at the end of the season, the Bengals rushing offense still only ranked 29th in the league, averaging 95 yards rushing per game.

Things have to change.

Throughout the offseason, we've heard head coach Marvin Lewis talk about remaking the playbook; eventually confirmed by Bob Bratkowski and quarterback Carson Palmer. The general theory is that in order for the Bengals succeed in this division, they must effectively rush the ball; which was proven during the 2005 playoff run where the Bengals rushed the ball effectively.

Is Cedric Benson the man to run the ball effectively against the league's better rush defenses? As it stands, likely solidified into the regular season, Benson will be the team's feature back. If the Bengals offense is to succeed, then so must Benson.

Competitively, it's an open season behind him. Who will be the team's backup running back. Who will be the team's third-down back? It's likely that Bernard Scott makes the team, at minimum, for special teams -- specifically, kickoff return. Brian Leonard is projected as the team's backup running back and, maybe, the third-down back. Where does that leave guys like Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey and James Johnson? Will Marlon Lucky, being a rookie, make the team's practice squad? Alternatively, will that go to Fui Vakapuna, provided Jeremi Johnson makes the squad in his you've got one chance left campaign. Will Chris Pressley have something to say about all of that?

Are those enough questions for you? Here's my opinion on how things shake out, without mentioning Benson who is obviously enjoying his place at the running back throne.

The Bengals take two more running backs and a fullback. Those running backs are Leonard and Scott. There's no reason to believe, based on historical trends, that Jeremi Johnson gets into playing shape after repeated frustrations of coming into camp overweight. Marvin Lewis recently said of Jeremi that he's "got a long way to go to make the team. We don't know how Jeremi will be." Vakapuna becomes the team's fullback and short-yardage back. It's possible that Scott goes to the practice squad while Kenny Watson plays the final year of his existing contract -- he's noted as a good blocking back on third down (though I think that gets overstated sometimes) and that could be enough to keep him on the squad. I don't think Dorsey and James Johnson make the squad and Marlon Lucky's best shot is to make the practice squad.

Cincy Jungle's Projected Depth Chart

1	Cedric Benson
2	Brian Leonard
3	Bernard Scott

Fullback	Fui Vakapuna
Practice S	Marlon Lucky

Is the running back depth already set; USC linebacker tandem; Walker's weekend observations

Kirkendall — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:51:56 -0000

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4 months ago: Cincinnati Bengals' Rey Maualuga takes a break during football practice in Cincinnati Friday June 19, 2009. (AP Photo/Tom Uhlman)

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Assuming that Cedric Benson enters the season as the team's running back, five running backs will compete for two spots. Even though the competition could be fierce, I strongly believe, barring injury, that the team's depth will look like Benson, Brian Leonard and Bernard Scott. Benson is obvious. Leonard can play fullback and is noted with good hands out of the backfield (versatility goes a long way on this team). Scott has the speed to turn corners and the talent for a change-of-pace back behind Benson. Players like DeDe Dorsey, James Johnson and Kenny Watson figure to be fighting hard for a job, which is a far cry from the Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry, Kenny Watson, DeDe Dorsey and James Johnson setup we had last season.

Keith Rivers and Rey Maualuga, USC linebacker tandem flanking Dhani Jones at Middle Linebacker, are both playing with something to prove. Rivers wants to rebound after an injury-shortened season. Maualuga wants to prove to be better than a second-round draft pick. They stuck around on Saturday to hang with fans.

Former USC teammates Keith Rivers and Rey Maualuga were the last players to leave the field. Both signed autographs for more than a half hour for fans who rimmed the front row near the tunnel that leads to the home locker room.

Peter Warrick, wide receiver for the Bloomington Extreme in the Indoor Football League, still has a desire to get back into the NFL.

Notes from James Walker's observations this weekend, who was in town observing the Bengals minicamp:

"...based on this minicamp it's safe to assume the early leaders in the race to be Cincinnati's No. 3 receiver are Chris Henry and Andre Caldwell."
"Ochocinco looked explosive and had few problems separating from defenders. He also caught a long touchdown pass from quarterback Carson Palmer in Saturday's practice and had some fun with the fans."
"I felt the offensive line was a little shaky early in camp and gradually improved."
"Fullback/tailback Brian Leonard, who was recently acquired in a trade with the St. Louis Rams, is getting a lot of carries at tailback..."
"Backups J.T. O'Sullivan and Jordan Palmer are making good throws here and there but probably not enough to play winning football."
"Caldwell looks more polished and confident in what he's doing in his second year during this minicamp, while Simpson still looks rough around the edges."

Day #3 Observations | Day #2 Observations | Day #1 Observations.

The Enquirer's Joe Reedy will be out for a couple of weeks, recharging the batteries for training camp. That just gives you more reason to come to Cincy Jungle for all of your Cincinnati Bengals needs.

Marvin Lewis is now old school:

"When you have a mental error, there are only two ways to handle it. Put another guy in his spot, or just a reminder. Those things will hurt us. That's the first step. The next step is stand beside me or you're on the street."

Hall of Famer Randy White was on the sidelines when Bernard Scott played in the Texas vs. The Nation game. White said that "he had not seen a running back do some of the things Scott did since Walter Payton".

Rating defenses on, what Pat Kirwin calls, "the money down".

The players garnering most of the headlines this offseason are receivers. We're surprised?

The Bengals have 7-8 running backs on roster; is baseball unfairly attacked on steroids?

Kirkendall — Fri, 08 May 2009 13:42:46 -0000

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6 months ago: FILE - In this Nov. 25, 2007 file photo, St. Louis Rams running back Brian Leonard is seen during an NFL football game in St. Louis. Looking to add depth at running back, the Cincinnati Bengals acquired Leonard in a trade with the St. Louis Rams on Thursday, May 7, 2009. The Rams got reserve defensive tackle Orien Harris in the deal. (AP Photo/Kyle Ericson, File)

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+ When Orien Harris signed an exclusive-rights contract this off-season, the Bengals had a defensive tackle lineup of Harris, Domata Peko, Pat Sims and Jason Shirley. John Thornton was on his way to free agency and Tank Johnson wasn't a glimmer in fans' eyes. They had to sign Harris as a contingency if free agency and the draft didn't acquire depth. On March 2, there was no else. Fast-forward two months and that list expanded with Tank and Pernell Phillips. Most likely Harris would have become the odd man out. Phillips, an undrafted rookie, is receiving $150,000 less than Harris, and there's few that think the former Hurricane would have unseated the top-four defensive tackles. He'll hit the free agency market after this season as a restricted free agent and the Bengals likely didn't foresee Harris in their long-term plans.

So they traded him. For running back Brian Leonard .

Leonard possesses the two qualities the Bengals demand from their running backs. The ability to run the football with good contact balance between the tackles, and the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.

Leonard already knows what's expected of him. "I know it's a great opportunity for me to come in there and be used as a third down back," Leonard said. "I think they want to use me as a running back, so I'm looking forward to that. I still have a lot of skills, catching the ball out of the backfield and running with it."

Depending on how he turns out, the Bengals will have Leonard under contract for two seasons, with $1.1 million remaining on his rookie contract, giving them seven running backs on roster (Note: the numbers simply represent the number of players at that position. By no means does it designate our impression of a positional depth chart)

Cedric Benson
Brian Leonard
Kenny Watson
Bernard Scott
DeDe Dorsey
James Johnson
Marlon Lucky

Add that to the four fullbacks they have on roster.

Jeremi Johnson
Fui Vakapuna
Chris Pressley
J.D. Runnels

Depending how they view Vakapuna, that could easily be eight running backs and three fullbacks. Either way, the key here is that the Bengals have historically broken camp with three running backs and one fullback.

What are some Rams fans at Turf Show Times saying about the Bengals newest running back?

"The Bengals love our third-stringers."
"I didn’t see much of a roll for Leonard this year."
"...just ask yourself, what has Leonard ever really done for the Rams? Remember he was there number 2 pick. Has he played like a number 2 pick?"
"I think whats really going on here is the Rams decided Brian Leonhard was a tweener with no role, not big enough for FB or not fast enough for RB."

+ My love for football is undeniable. If I'm not wearing Orange and Black, I'm wearing the pride of football on my sleeve. Be it NFL, college or high school, I genuinely believe that football is the greatest sport. But I like football too, and I believe that baseball is unfairly judged with constant steroid blabbering. That's not to downgrade the issue of fair competition and performance enhancing drugs. Nor does it excuse Manny Ramirez, Barry Bonds, and the players that were shoe-in hall of famers that are now at the mercy of a baseball writer's moral compass. However, there's additional weight placed on baseball players than football players. What will you remember most? Alex Rodriguez or Shawn Merriman. The three New Orleans Saint players that tested positive under the NFL steroid's policy was Deuce McAllister, Will Smith and...

I like baseball. I love watching the Reds. This year especially. I love football. But when the baseball world flips upside down after one steroid story breaks, it's crazy. Everything stops. ESPN.com has five different running perspectives from their primary beat writers. Their bottom line is a 15-minute scroll about Ramirez. If it happens in football, you get a quick story, and we move on.

I'm not saying football is saved by some blanket in which stories on steroids are buried. That's not my point at all. But if you take two stories about steroids, one in baseball and one in football, which sport do you think receives the most exposure? Even White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called it "a shame and a great embarrassment to MLB." See. Everything stops.

Links and Notes.

Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News identifies Keith Rivers as one of his second-year defenders to watch in 2009:

It's hard to forget how Rivers' rookie season came to an abrupt end — on a vicious blow from Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward in Week 7. On the play, Rivers suffered a broken jaw and was out for the season. Much like Porter was to New Orleans, Cincinnati thought it had the missing playmaker it desperately needed.

Rivers again will settle into the weak side, and the team drafted former Southern Cal hammer Rey Maualuga for middle linebacker. With inside starter Dhani Jones and Rashad Jeanty also in the mix, Marvin Lewis has a deep second-level corps. Rivers can be a disruptive force in Lewis' 4-3 scheme. The Bengals' defense snuck up to a respectable level last season, but if Cincinnati is to move up closer to the top dozen, it needs Rivers to break out.

Levi Jones was headed to Seattle for a visit. Now not so much. Wonder what happened. Is Buffalo calling?

Shutdown Corner on the Bengals trade for Brian Leonard. "Rare: A straight-up player for player trade. Even rarer: It includes a white running back."

John Clayton says that the Seahawks, Eagles, Giants, Patriots, Bears, Bills, Redskins, Jets, Lions and Chiefs have had a better offseason than the Bengals.

Just like CJ, the Chickster is getting tired of "character" BS.

Chris Crocker reminisces when he first came into the NFL.