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Ben Gordon game winners, windmill and 360 slam. In case anyone forgot about Ben Gordon and the type...

Blacknight23 — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:51:23 -0000

Ben Gordon game winners, windmill and 360 slam. In case anyone forgot about Ben Gordon and the type of player he is. Watching this video also makes me think maybe BG's ankle was hurt more than he let on.

NBA 2 Guards and thier market values

Blacknight23 — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:23:59 -0000

All this talk about overpaying Gordon got me interested in market value. Wen i came across this

Market value is often used interchangeably with open market value, fair value or fair market value, although these terms have distinct definitions in different standards, and may differ in some circumstances.

Reports are that he is asking for the moon LINK but when I compiled these numbers 11 or 12 milion doesn't seem unreasonable.

Considering that the Avg. Salary for starting two guards in the NBA is 10,129,916 what is Ben Gordon worth?

*Some Teams had multiple players capable of starting on that team i.e. Utah, Indy, Toronto, and OKC went with the best player.

*Also remember that Roy and Durant are still on rookie deals.

Atlanta-Joe johnson-$14,232,566

Boston-Ray Allen- $17,388,430

Charlotte-Jason Richardson-$12,222,222

Chicago-Larry Hughes-$12,827,676 Kirk Hinrich-$10,000,000

Cleveland-Wally Sczerbiak-$13,000,000

Dallas-Jason Terry-$9,075,000

Denver-Allen Iverson-$21,937,500

Detroit-Rip Hamilton-$10,562,500

Golden State-Monta Ellis-$11,000,000

Houston-Tracy McGrady-$21,126,874

Indiana-Mike Dunleavy Jr.-$9,000,000

LA Clippers-Cuttino Mobley-$9,100,000

La Lakers-Kobe Bryant-$21,262,500

Memphis-OJ Mayo-$3,875,040

Miami- Dwayne Wade-$14,410,581

Milwaukee-Michael Redd-$15,780,000

Minnesota-Mike Miller-$9,000,000

New Jersey-Vince Carter-$15,200,000

New Orleans-Morris Peterson-$5,784,480

New York-Jamal Crawford-$8,640,000

Orlando-Mickael Pietrus-$5,200,000

Philadelphia-Andre Iguadola-No contract Willie Green-3,388,000

Phoenix-Barbosa-$6,100,000

Portland-Brandon Roy-$3,084,240

Sacramento- Kevin martin-$9,260,335

SA Spurs-Manu Ginobli-$9,900,000

SEA/OKC Thunder-Kevin Durant-$4,484,040

Toronto Raptors-Anthony Parker-$4,550,000

Utah Jazz-Kyle Korver-$4,773,927

Washington Wizards-DeShawn Stevenson-$3,616,071

top draft picks and their extensions historically

Blacknight23 — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:26:59 -0000

There has been a lot of talk around the league about how much players are worth after there rookie contracts expire. What are you paying for production or potential? Before 1995 you could sign rookies to whatever type of contract you wanted. (length and value)

The rookie salary scale was implemented prior to the 1995 draft by the NBA and the National Basketball Player's Association, a year after overall No. 1 pick Glenn Robinson signed a 10-year, $68 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks out of college. CBA rules now force first-round picks to play at a predetermined pay structure for at least three years before becoming a free agent.

What some draft picks might make under the old system

NBA players generally want no less than the guys drafted after them. Gordon was drafted # 3 and Deng # 7 overall so I compiled a list of players drafted around those slots between 1999-2004 to what other players picked in the top 9 signed for. Because so many players were either Maxed out or given just below MAX iwhile GM's were still adjusting to the new rules (1996-1998) I left them out. Think Marbury, Allen, Bibby, Jamison, Hughes (ugh), Van Horn, Ron Mercer.

Included all the Bulls picks except Jwill and Brand. I also included Al Jefferson # 15 and Josh Smith #16 in 2004. Also excluded players who were huge busts and never signed extensions i.e. Dajuan Wagner, Nikoloz Tskitishvili .

The players are listed by their draft day position, height, weight, position, team that signed them (signed not drafted), years, value, best statistical season before extension.

1999

# 3 Baron Davis 6-2 190 PG So-New Orleans-6 yrs-MAX-18.1 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3rpg

# 4 Lamar Odom 6-10 220 SF Fr-Miami-6 yrs 65million-17.6 ppg, 7rpg, 5apg-MIA

# 5 Jonathan Bender 6-11 210 SF H.S.-IND-4 yrs 27 million-7.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg

# 6 Wally Szczerbiak 6-8 243 SF Sr.-Minn-6 yrs 67million-18.7ppg, 4.8 ppg

# 7 Richard Hamilton 6-6 185 SF Jr-Det.-7yrs 62 million-19.7ppg, 3.4rpg, 2.7apg

# 8 Andre Miller 6-2 204 PG Sr-Denver 6yrs 51 million-16.5ppg, 10apg

# 9 Shawn Marion 6-7 210 SF Jr-PHO-6yrs MAX-21 ppg, 9.5 rpg

2000

# 3 Darius Miles HS- SF 6-9 200 -Portland-6yrs 48 million-9.4 ppg 5.4 rpg

# 4 Marcus Fizer Jr. PF 6-8 240 -Milwaukee-1yr figures unrealeased-12.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg

#5 Mike Miller So. SF 6-8 218 -Memphis-6yrs 48 million-16.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg

# 8 Jamal Crawford Fr. PG/SG 6-6 195-NY-7yrs 55miliion-17.3 ppg 5.1 apg

2001

# 2 Tyson Chandler 7-0 220 SF/PF HS-CHI-6 yrs 64 million-8 ppg, 9.7rpg

# 3 Pau Gasol 7-1 220 SF (Spain)-MEM-6yrs MAX-19 ppg, 8 rpg

# 4 Eddy Curry 6-11 300 C HS- NY-6 yrs 56 million-16.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg

# 5 Jason Richardson 6-6 220 SG -So-GSW-6 yrs 71 million-21 ppg, 5rpg

# 6 Shane Battier -6-9 225 SF Sr.-MEM-6yrs 36 million-14.4 ppg 5.5 rpg

# 8 Joe Johnson -6-9 225 SF So-ATL-5yrs 70 million-17.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg

2002

# 3 Mike Dunleavy 6-9 220 SF Jr.-GSW-5 yrs 44 million-13.4 ppg 5.5 rpg

# 4 Drew Gooden 6-10 230 PF Jr.-CLE-3yrs 23 million 14.4 ppg, 9rpg

# 7 Maybyner "Nene" Hilario 6-10 253 PF/C (Brazil)-DEN-6 yrs 60 million-12.2 ppg, 7rpg

# 8 Chris Wilcox 6-10 218 PF So.-SEA-3 yrs 24 million-8.1 ppg 5.3 rpg

# 9 Amare Stoudemire 6-10 240 PF HS-PHO-5 yrs 73 mil-26 ppg, 8.9 rpg

2003

# 3 Carmelo Anthony 6-7 234 SF Fr-5 yrs 80 mil-28.9 ppg, 6rpg

# 4 Chris Bosh 6-11 210 PF Fr-TOR-3 yrs 43 mil-22.6 ppg 10.7 rpg

# 5 Dwyane Wade 6-5 212 SG Jr.-3 yrs MAX-27.2 ppg 6.7 apg

# 6 Chris Kaman 7-0 255 C Jr.-5 yrs 52.5-11.9 ppg 9.6 rpg

# 7 Kirk Hinrich 6-4 190 PG Sr- CHI-5yrs 47.5-16.6 ppg 6 apg

# 8 TJ Ford 6-0 162 PG So-TOR-4 yrs 33 mil-14 ppg, 7.9 apg

2004

# 2 Emeka Okafor 6-10 257 PF/C UConn Jr.-turned down $13 mil-14.4 ppg 11rpg 2.6 bpg

# 3 Ben Gordon 6-2 192 PG UConn Jr.-turned down $10 miliion-21.4 ppg 3.6 apg

# 5 Devin Harris 6-3 170 PG Jr.-5 yrs 42 mil-10.2 ppg 3.7 apg

# 6 Josh Childress 6-7 196 SG/SF Stanford Jr-13 ppg 6rpg

# 7 Luol Deng 6-8 220 SF Fr-turned down 11 mil-18.8 ppg 7 rpg

# 9 Andre Iguodala 6-7 217 SG/SF Ariz.-19.9 ppg 5.4 rpg 4.8apg

# 15 Al Jefferson 6-9 263 PF HSSr-5 yrs 65 million-16 ppg 11 rpg

# 16 Josh Smith 6-8 221 SF HS-17.2 ppg 8.2 rpg

A couple of things that came to mind while reviewing this list

Denver set the market for Chandler's contract with Nene's deal could Iggy's deal have the same effect on Deng this year?

Will Gordon come in closer to Hinrich (47 million) or Wally's world (67 million)

What would the Bulls have looked like with Pau and Tyson?

2000 has to be one of the worst drafts ever

What about McGrady?

Blacknight23 — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:10:19 -0000

Why hasn't there been any talk of acquiring Tracy Mcgrady? Has injury history but a definitive upgrade in the backcourt. Gives us another option at the end of games Youtube video and with the Bulls he wouldn't have to play 35 mpg. He comes off the books the same year as Hughes.

Scenario 1 Draft Rose Then Trade Hinrich + Hughes + future # 1 for Mcgrady and filler (Think Aaron Brooks) Link .

Lineup

PG Rose/Thabo

SG Mcgrady/Gordon

SF Deng/Thomas

PF Gooden/Thomas

C Noah/Gooden

Scenario # 2 Draft Beasley Then trade Hughes +TT + cash considerations/future # 1 works for McGrady Link

Lineup

PG Hinrich/Gordon

SG Mcgrady/Thabo

SF Deng/NOCE

PF Beasley/Gooden

C Noah/Gooden

Would you be for trading for McGrady and who would you draft to play wih him?

Real Problem with Bulls

Blacknight23 — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:36:50 -0000

WIth everyone up in arms about the Noah draft pick, nocioni resigning, and Joe smith getting the midlevel it got me thinking What about the backcourt. People talk about the height of our backcourt but Tony Parker, TJ FORD, Steve Nash, Mo Willaims, Mike Conley, Marbury etc. are 6 feet at best. Isn't the real problem that we have two combo guards Ben and Kirk. All this talk about Kirk being a top ten Pg. He is not a PG. Neither is a pure point and neither is adequate at the two. My question is can Kirk become an allstar level guard and/ or Can Ben Gordon develop into an effective lead guard this year?

Poll

First Baby Bull in the All-Star Game

Ben Gordon

10 votes

Luol Deng

106 votes

Tyrus Thomas

5 votes

Thabo Sefolosha

0 votes

Joakim Noah

1 votes

Kirk Hinrich

13 votes

135 votes | Poll has closed