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Where/Who Did We Miss
Now that our draft has settled a little i thought it would be fun to take a look to see where we might have went wrong. I am not trying to be negative. I personally am a big fan of what we did. Even more so with the stradegy of McD and Xanders. I like that they have specific types of players for each position. Then on draft day target players that fit that specific role. Being realisitic, most likely one or more of our five picks in the first two rounds won't pan out, or reach the level we all hope they will now. So my question to all of you is which pick is it. Who did we miss out on?
Scheme or Grab Bag?
There has been many insightful articles on our possible schemes lately. They have made our busy offseason, and this future season a lot clearer. They all make very plausable arguments. So much so that I wonder if they all represent a small piece of what we will do. Mcdanials and Nolan are both known for their scheme diversity, and are known to mix it up.. All of this combined with a roster that may not be deep in stars, at least not on defense, but is very deep in role players leads me to think we will have a true scheme on offense or defense next year. I invision a team that you truly can't game plan against. A team that one week will bring a single backfield three WR set on first down one week. Then another week we line up two to three TEs, Hillis and Moreno. On defense one week we might line up in a 3-4 on first down. This might, I hope, look like this. With Fields, Peterson, and sombody who turns out really good holding down the front. Then Ayers, Doom, DJ, and Davis at LB. Then the nest we bring a 4-3 that looks entierly different. Maybe Ayers and Reid at DE. With Thomas and Fields in the Middle. We could scoot Ayers and Reid inside on passing downs then bring in Doom and Moss/Crowder to come of the edge.
This kinda of versatility, and depth is spread throughout the entire roster. I'm very anxious to see how it all comes together. I truly believe that we'll be a very different team from week to week, and hopefully for a change, from half to half. It is impossible right now to know how it will work out. It surely will be a bumpy road, but i think it could be a steep fast climb to the top.
I know a lot of this is not anything original, but i was curious how many of you thought we would line up consistantly from week to week. Or if you thought we would play more simular to what I have decribed. Or maybe you think we will end up some where inbetween. Also in what time frame you think we might have success. Will we struggle out the gate? Then finish strong, maybe just missing the playoffs. Maybe we will start strong and remain competetive throughout the season. Or do you think we will strugle all the way to watching the Seahawks drafting in the top ten nest year. Anyways thanks for your time, and for helping me waste mine,
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Our New Direction
I have been thinking a lot about what the Broncos will look like next year. I truly belive regardless of our record we will take a huge step towards the SB this year. We are actually building a team for the first time since Plumber was playing the AFC championship game. After that season we brought in JIm Bates, and cut many of our productive defensive lineman. The ones who had the longest streakwithout allowing a TD in history. It was the best our defense looked in years, and we scrapped it and started over. This is just one sample of the philosophy Shannahan had on defense. Then i wonder if you we added Trevor Pryce and Bertrand Berry, or Reggie Hayward to that defense if we would have another trophy in our case. Then if you look to our secondary, and since the Lynch left and Ferguson's play droped off we have done absolutly nothing to adress that position. We brought in Bly to supposedly pari with Champ to make a untopable
secondary. Yet he wasn't that good and thhey forgot it took 4,5,somtimes 6 players to make a unstopable secondary. At linebacker we lost Wilson and it has never been the same. It is'nt a coninidence though. We also have neglected this position. Niko was suppose to start for us at MLB he ended up behind a player who we aquired midseason and a 5th round rookie. Not to mention Nate freaking Webster.
Looking at the D now it seems much more complete. I can't deny that it would be nice to have a more proven players on our Dline. But I just don't think we had many chances improve. Ronald Fields also has some upside and has experience with nolan and at the nose. It frustrates me that we are expected to get a star at every single postion on D before we can get any credit for improveing. We spent 3 picks in the first 2 rounds on defense. In the first round we adressed what i think is the most important postion. Raji can't get 15-20 sacks, but Ware, Porter, Merrimen, not to mention the steelers twosome. The in the second we got two players in the secondary where we havn't had a first day pick since Darrent. Ringht now i think we are a couple of Dlinemen away from having a shot at beinga elite defense. The last 2 years it was more like we were a couple of Dlmen,DBs,and LBs away.
On the Offense we adressed I think our 2 biggest needs in the first 2 rounds also. Oviouly we didn't have anything close to Knowshon before. Not to take credit away from Hillis but there are opposites to me. While both are punishing runners Hillis is gonna go through you while Morene is gonna go around usually,somtimes through, and ones in while over the top. Moving on to Quinn I know it looked on the surface we were set at TE. We all know there isn't any thing for sure about Tony in the long run. Also Mcdanials appears to like having 2 TE that can block.
I know a lot of this has been said more than once around here, but I can't help but be frustrated by the continuous lack of respect form the MSM. I think we will have improvements in most areas this season. Leaving us in a very good postion to find a couple of players at the spots we came up short, and make a run at the SB for many years. I also feel a ton more confient at most positions if we do have injuries to a one or more of our stars. Knock on wood. I think many of the players we will have at back-up this year could have started last. Anyways had to get out kindof a final rant on all the BS that is being thrown out there, and I am now losing my mind at this point in the offseason. So thanks for listining and for being the greatest fans of the greatest team
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If only we traded cutler sooner intead of having faith.
Who know what our roster would look like if we could have had the opportunity to know Cutler had to go prior to the start of free agency. LIkely we would have Cassal starting at QB instead of Orton/Simm. We very well could have been more agressive at signing DLmen such as Canty. But this wasn't the hand McDanials was dealt, and i think this is being overlooked. I am more than willing to give him a full offseason, free agency and draft, to adjust his approach to building the new Cutlerless Broncos. I get frustrated by all of the comments about us Having to get a new franchis QB,or having to get D-linemen in the first rounds, which we did. I belive you never have to do anything if you don't get a player you are happy with, or that produces at a high level. Not just a height level than your other back-ups. Having better back-ups is nothing I am interested in. We need stars or atleast solid starters, and if we didn't have what the Broncos felt was a good opportunnity to get those players then so be it. I believe that we are in the right direction and that McDanial is also a victum in this not just us as fans or Bowlen. The media got ahold of information that they shouldn't have, and Cutler/Cook ran with the opportunity. Cutler was already disgruntled before McDanial was even hired. Also Bated was fired by Bowlen not McDanials. Would anybody expect an offensive coach to keep all the staff, specially if they don't fit his new system
Alls im trying to say is i think that people are getting a little ahead of themselves, and that in a little time if Mcdanials hasn't had success we won't have to argue anymore. I know all the fans on here want Broncos success, and if they don't get it they will raise hell, and i expect nothing less. Untill that day can we atleast admitt that good things are happening. While they might not be what we exactly would like I'd say it is nice we actually are addressing our defense and special teams. And even though our Offense was in good shape and that we lost cutler there is still alot of hope for our offense. Orton isn't what Jay Cutler was last year, but I believe the supporting cast is a bigger piece of the puzzle than given credit for. Name me one QB who has had great numbers without a good team around them.
So I say bye bye to cutler and while I'm a little sad I am overcompensated by getting McDanials and a new hope for a team that as a whole was only getting worse and worse the longer Shannahan was there. I love Shannahan but it is the truth he neglegted his duties. He was doing the job of an O cordinator. I will give him that he is probably one of the very best at it. As we have seen though it takes a lot more than an offense to win championships. Even beyond that it takes more than yards to score points. Even if in your mind McD screwed up a time or two already he can't be doing anyworse. I am excited in our new direction, and our new players, and I feel bad that for whatever various reasons lots of us here don't feel the same way.
Do we really need a linebacker?
With the reports coming from camp about Doom, Reid, Crowder, and Woodyard we might be sitting pretty good even if we dont take a LB with a early pivk. I personly am a big fan of Woodyard. When he was starting last year he to me was the best player on defence. Although DJ and Champ where hurt. This gives us Davis, DJ, and Woodyard in the middle, and Doom, Boss?, Crowder, Reid, and maybe Moss on the outside. To me this looks pretty good. I was pretty nervous but after getting good reports from camp about Crowder and Dooms ability to drop back I really am wondering if LB might be our best position on the Defense. That is if you take into consideration age, and depth.
What does everybody think about us with our first three picks doning somthing like this. Taking BJ or Tyson at 12, then either Jenkins or Butler at 18, and then going for Rashad or Chung at 48. This would adress everything but the LBs in the first 2 rounds. Leaving us rest of the draft including two 3rd rounders to find players such as Cody Brown or Jasper Brinkly. After all it looks like LB is one of the deeper positions in this draft. Anyways just my thoughts and wondering how you guys felt about skiping out on LB in the first couple rounds.
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Build the most dominant O-line in the NFL.
There has been a lot of hype on Moreno around here, and as a result I've been researching him. I can't deny he would make a big difference for our O. Yet i am still very fearfull of putting a first round pick on a Hb. Although it would take the right circumstances, I would love if we could trade back from either pick into the last third of the draft, and take our pick of the entire interior Ol in the draft. With the sucess of ol in recent drafts this also seems like a little safer bet. Not to mention it seems like a lot of hb although they don't bust end up hurt, and have short careers. On the other hand ol are more the opposite. I am generalizeing and ofcourse there are examples of players at each postion whos careers are contrary to my generalizations.
If we could pull it off and move that far back I think we could probably fetch a 2nd round pick. That would leave us with 2 pick in each the 1st 2nd and 3rd essentialy 2 whole drafts. That is not including the Tony shenanigens. What ever comes of that. I am a big fan of this sort of approach. We take the best defensive player at whichever 1st we would keep, and top interior ol prospect on our board with the other. In the 2nd and beyond I really belive we can afford to basically take best player available. More inportant to me than a player fiting a imediate need is for them to be a character player who has the talent and intelligence to contribute considerably as a rookie. Atleast in the first 2 rounds. I think this is a reasonable enough goal every year that it isn't worth taking project players in the first 2 rounds. Unless u have starters at most positions and are simply looking for heros to come in and take u to championchips. I think our situation is more the opossite. We need to build a core of young passionate players who can do there job.
Anyways i havn't really heard anybody bring up the idea of trading back to the backend of the first round with the idea of targeting an o-linemen. I was curious what everybodys take would be if Denver did somthing like this on draft day. I would personally love to be respected as the best al around o-lines in the league. Rather than being seen as more of a pass blocking finesse scheme, a very good one though. After all we do have a half dozen capable rbs as is so why not just pave the way for whoever ends up with the rock. Since as we have sadly learned you really cant depend on that being any particular player.
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What If
What if things don't work out. What if we don't get a qb in return. We would have to draft one early is the conclusion i come to. If the trigger got pulled my guess is we get at least 3 first day pick between this and next years draft,maybe 4. It could actually give us an opportunity to improve our team. Not denying that it might set us way back. Just saying that if we hit the jackpot on a qb and a couple of pick on D then we have a real hope. We saw teams last year, Atlanta, Balltimore, do just this, but we could have a lot more shots in the draft than either of them did.
We have one of if not the best supporting cast on O in place. Maybe the best line and best young pair of receivers. I great whatever he is in Hillis and a butt load of of average rbs. It is a big gamble hoping on a young qb to actually living up the their hype. If it were to happen though and we luck out we could have as many as 4 to 6 picks to find some stars for our D, and maybe a fat boy for our offence and a more gifted rb to help out our young, lucky to have us qb. The reson i am thinking we could possibly have so many picks is based on us also dealing Tony. Not saying we are just realizing its a possibility.
There are two options that come to mind for me come draft day assuming we do deal cutler. The first would come at our 12th pick, and in the form of Mark Sanchez. He seems like he has a lot of upside, and talent. He also seems like he isn't the most accurate qb. Taking him would be far from a sure thing. He could be a great qb, and seems like a reasonable option if he falls to us at 12. The next option to me is Josh Freeman. He seems like he is a potental freak far as a physical specimen. He also reportedly had accurcy issues. Anyways these are my thoughts and really just dont want to think about or read about JAY CUTLER . More than anything i was just curious to get all of your thoughts on these two qbs, and any others in the draft or in the nfl that u would like to see in dnver. That is if things can't be worked outand we can't mve on with Cutler. Which is what i actually prefer. And sorry for my poor english skills.
How about Malcolm Jenkins
I heard on nfl network today that we were bringing in Jenkins. I wanted to get some opionions from u guys on him, and us taking him at 12. I hear alot about him moving to safety cause his 40ty time. Then I'm looking through the top rakned corners in the draft and didn't see a single time signiffigantly faster. Other than Vontae Davis. Which makes me think his size alone is really getting this attention for me. If that is the case his strong size could actually cause him to slide. I would love to have another physical corner even if he is a step slower than a few.
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