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He makes some good points here, but he also makes some points that I thought were pretty asinine, which I pointed out in the comments on that page... curious to see what BaBers think.

about 1 month ago Tiny Calogero 12 comments 1 recs

"Indeed, Johnson has been touted as being able to play both small and power forward, though Del Negro mostly has limited him to the former. In talking to Johnson, it sounds as if he'd be happy playing designated rebounder at practice."

2 months ago Tiny Calogero 8 comments 0 recs

A piece I wrote over at my blog about team building, the Hornets, and a road I hope the Bulls don't go down

3 months ago Tiny Calogero 3 comments 1 recs

What if 2010 FA's say  no?



 I got the idea for this fanpost reading this article from Doug last week: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/08/what-if-lebron-wade-and-bosh-say-no.html
 
The quote in it that really got me thinking was this one

If all of the above fails we're looking at Luis Scola, keeping Tyrus Thomas, solving our needs through the draft and saving our money for another day.  That might actually end up being the most prudent path, but it will be tough to convince Bulls fans of that after throwing out the 2010 cap space plan as a reason for not coming to terms with Ben Gordon.

 

Now I have long been skeptical of this supposed 2010 "plan," especially considering that as currently constituted, if Salmons opts in and we renounce Tyrus (or vice versa-- if Salmons opts out but we don't renounce Tyrus) then we will probably only be about $13 million under the cap and won't be able to offer a max contract.  Even for arguments sake, if you want to assume that we get far enough under the cap to offer a max deal (moving Kirk, Salmons opting out along with renouncing Tyrus), it has been well documented that superstars rarely change teams in free agency under the current CBA, as the benefits to staying put often outweigh the benefits of relocating. 

This is where the "prudence" argument comes in-- under the current CBA, usually the players that relocate get "overpaid" and are often second tier stars.  Players like Joe Johnson (from Phoenix to Atl), Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turokoglu (this year), Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon, and Steve Nash (who wasn't a star when he went from Dal to Phx) are probably the biggest names to switch places via free agency under the current CBA, and almost all of them were considered overpaid at the time their deals were made.  This is why, as currently constituted, I don't think the Bulls can afford to be "prudent" next summer and avoid overpaying someone like Joe Johnson or Amare (provided his eye injury doesn't appear to be a problem this season) if/when Wade/LeBron/Bosh turn us down. 

As I see it, there are really two good ways to build a team-- there's the Portland/OKC model (which actually Paxson first used) which is burning everything down and rebuilding by getting under the cap and a plethora of high lottery picks.  We've already done that route and are likely no longer going to be bad enough in the near future to get a high lotto pick-- not to mention considering we have 1 whole playoff series victory in the post-Jordan era, so it's high time we start going for titles here and not tear it all down again.  The other model is kind of what I'll call the Orlando model, which is you get your young talent (they did it with Howard and Nelson-- our parallels to that I guess would be Rose, Noah, and hopefully Deng), and then fill in with free agents, even if you-- heaven forbid-- overpay for them, like Orlando did filling in with Turkoglu, Lewis, Pietrus, and now Bass, Carter, and Barnes as well.  As kind of an offshoot to that model is the Lakers/Celtics model, which is to get some good players and hope like hell someone is willing to dump a great player on you for very little. 

A lot of NBA experts like to rip on teams for "overpaying" players, but the fact of the matter is just because you are over the cap doesn't mean you are done making moves.  You can fill in around the edges with role players on MLE type deals, make trades with teams looking to dump money, etc.  For us, prudence should go out the window next summer.  I'm not the biggest Joe Johnson fan in the world, and I know that he'll be 30 by the time his next contract starts, but it's probably going to take something like 5 years 70 million to sign him away from Atlanta.  Is that overpaying for him?  Sure.  Is giving Amare the max overpaying?  Quite possibly, considering his poor defense and injury history.  However, we are not going to be able to contend if we are not willing to pay the tax; it is extremely difficult to contend without paying the tax-- the past 2 champions have been well over the tax threshold, and the final 4 teams left this year were all over the tax.  Giving big money to an Amare or Joe Johnson next summer should not be seen as the final move in contention, but just another move on the way to improvement, and there is little doubt that an overpaid Amare or an overpaid Joe Johnson will provide an improvement on the court.   After signing one of them, use the MLE or split it up on a couple other decent players.  Use next year's draft pick to add another useful piece.  If teams are looking to dump players, be in position to offer something useful in return for them.  Building a contender does not have to be an all or nothing proposition-- it can happen piece by piece, move by move, even if we are over the cap and over the tax with overpaid players.  Productivity and victories are the ultimate measures of success, not financial prudence, and after the shenanigans of this summer, the prudence needs to stop for the foreseeable future next summer.

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[From the FanShots. It's a good idea to rent Boozer for a season, especially since it's looking dimmer by the day that Tyrus Thomas will ever get a contract extension from the Bulls. Though it would've been a better idea to do this and keep Ben Gordon too, and really try and win something -ed.]

From Techn9ne:

"Look for the Chicago Bulls to make a strong push for Carlos Boozer. Reports have indicated the Bulls are interested in trading for the Utah Jazz power forward and there is a lot of truth to it. General Manager Gar Forman has already had discussions with the Jazz about sending Boozer to Chicago and talks could heat up even more in the coming weeks. The Bulls are looking to send Tyrus Thomas and most likely Jerome James to the Jazz for Boozer, the problem is the Jazz are talking to several other teams and may wait to find a better deal. Either way, the Bulls will at least make a strong effort at trying to get Boozer in Chicago."

5 months ago Tiny Calogero 342 comments 0 recs

Game #26 preview - Chicago Bulls at Boston Celtics

[Thanks to Calogero for today's game preview. I recommend taping the game and then consulting this website before watching it. -ed.]

This one could get ugly.  The last time we played Boston it sure did, as the Bulls not only lost 96-80 (in a game that was never close), but BaB favorite Tyrus Thomas clanged jumpers all night to the tune of 2-17.  As a matter of fact, the new and improved Celtics have smacked us around quite a bit, going 5-0 against us in the past two seasons with an average margin of victory of 17.8 points, and no loss of ours has even been by single digits.  Tonight doesn't figure to be much better, as the Celtics are a ridiculous 24-2 and have only won their past 16 games.  As a means of contrast, our Bulls haven't even won 3 straight since the 2006-2007 campaign, and we are coming off consecutive overtime games against two of the worst teams in the league, Charlotte and the Clippers.  At least tonight's inevitable shellacking won't be on national TV like our last game vs. Boston.  Anyway, enough of the doom and gloom, and onto a few things to watch for tonight:

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Game #4 Preview: Chicago Bulls @ Orlando Magic

[This is the first of our BaB community game previews, which hopefully will both help my laziness as well as get some different voices in on each upcoming game. These will be up the afternoon of the game, and then the official gamethread will be posted right at gametime. Thanks to Calogero for today's preview -ed.]

As Matt alluded to earlier, there isn't a whole lot we can take from the 3 games we've seen so far, although it is nice to not look completely inept out of the gate like the Bulls did last season.  Chicago looked pretty good in wins over Memphis and Milwaukee-- although those slow first halves are a tad disconcerting-- and got waxed by the Celtics in a situation where the Bulls legitimately didn't have much of a chance (young team, first road game, new offense, playing the reigning NBA champions and a great defensive team, etc.).  On the Chicago side, the storylines tonight are nothing new or exciting; how will the minutes be handled, will Derrick Rose walk on water, will Drew Gooden take a shot from inside 20 feet, and will BaB's prodigal son Tyrus Thomas break his cover-your-eyes bad 2 for 22 shooting slump? 

On the bright side tonight, the Magic have been less than impressive so far this season, going 1-2 against a schedule that isn't exactly intimidating.  They were thumped 99-85 on opening night at home to Atlanta, and fell on the road 86-84 to Memphis before finally getting an 18 point home win over the lowly Kings.  Also, to say that the Bulls hold a considerable talent advantage on the bench redefines the word "understatement."  A quick glance at Orlando's roster reveals that after the starters of Nelson/Pietrus/R. Lewis/Hedo/Howard, that leaves a bench of Anthony Johnson, J.J. Redick, Keith Bogans, Marcin Gortat, Brian Cook, Adonal Foyle, and Courtney Lee.  Yikes.

However, unlike Chicago, Orlando actually insists upon starting their best players, and with it appearing that the Bulls should be able to make up some ground against Orlando's second unit, the big question remaining is how will they handle the Magic's starters, especially Dwight Howard?  Likely nobody in the frontcourt can handle him themselves, and doubling him will create open looks for their myriad of three point shooters.  With Chicago holding an advantage in depth, the keys to this game will be the Bulls holding their own against Orlando's first team and getting out and running whenever possible. 

The tip is at 6 central on Comcast Sports Chicago (or Sun Sports for any Floridians in the house), and for all other out of market fans, my sources tell me that the League Pass free preview continues tonight (and that this will be the last Bulls game we can catch on it without shelling out 170 bucks).  For anything else Magic-related, head on over to Third Quarter Collapse, and may all their threes resemble Larry Hughes' tonight. 

 

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Not much here, but they do talk about Tyrus a lot.

about 1 year ago Tiny Calogero 1 comment 1 recs