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Johnson, Mays and Foschi Highlight Chiefs/Bengals Connections

Chris Thorman — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:39:36 -0000

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24 days ago: Cincinnati Bengals running back Larry Johnson (27) breaks through the line during the first half of their NFL football game against the Cleveland Browns in Cincinnati, Sunday, Nov. 29, 2009. (AP Photo/Tony Tribble)

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Larry Johnson highlights the Chiefs and Bengals connections this week. Remember what LJ said on his Facebook page a while back about playing the Chiefs. Apparently it's supposed to rain in Cincy this weekend. Lotsa mud talk:

"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks"

Nice guy that LJ. Only in Cincinnati is he not the biggest loser on the team. East Kansas community colleges in the house, again as well. What's in the water down there in eastern Kansas? You know, besides lead and pesticide runoff....

Chiefs defensive line coach Tim Krumrie was a 10th-round draft pick of the Bengals in '83. A two-time Pro Bowler, he played in 193 regular season games (166 starts) for the Bengals and was a member of Cincinnati's Super Bowl XXIII squad. He later served as an assistant coach for the team ('95-02).
Kansas City LB Corey Mays played with Cincinnati (2007-08).
Cincinnati head coach Marvin Lewis served an NFL Minority Coaching Fellowship with Kansas City in '91.
Bengals TEs coach Jonathan Hayes ('85-93), RB Larry Johnson (2003-09) and TE J.P. Foschi (2008) all played with Kansas City.
Kansas City G/T Ikechuku Ndukwe is the brother of Bengals S Chinedum Ndukwe.
Kansas City TE Jake O'Connell played collegiately at Miami (OH).
Cincinnati offensive coordinator Bob Bratowski ('78-80) and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer ('79-80) each coached at Missouri.
Bengals WRs coach Mike Sheppard ('83) and associate strength and conditioning coach Ray Oliver ('83-84) coached at Kansas ('83).
Cincinnati special teams coach Darrin Simmons played at Dodge City (KS) CC and also played ('93-95) and coached ('96) at Kansas.
Bengals T Anthony Collins played collegiately at Kansas (2004-07).
Cincinnati CB Johnathan Joseph played at Coffeyville (KS) CC.

Anyone we missed?

Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 12/23

Chris Thorman — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:25:29 -0000

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Happy Christmas Eve Eve, Kansas City Chiefs fans. I hope you've gotten all of your shopping done. I know I...haven't even started. Well I have, sort of. Still need to get the Mrs. something in addition to the new puppy we're getting on Christmas Day. I would love any new puppy advice you guys have to give.

Let us know in the poll if you're one of the responsible ones who already has their shopping done for the season.

Here are your links for the morning:

Stop The Run To Win … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs | Chiefs Football at BobGretz.com
One thing never changes about football, no matter the era. A team that wants to win must be able to defense the running game. Against Cleveland last Sunday, the Chiefs dropped passes and allowed a pair of kickoff returns for touchdowns. But more importantly, they were gashed for 351 rushing yards, more than any opponent has managed in a single game against the franchise through 50 seasons.

Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs Blog
Amidst all the pain it is important for us, as fans, to remember the joy our favorite football team can give us. As the season approaches I feel quite similar to how I did as a child, on Christmas Eve. Well Christmas Eve is just a couple days away and in the spirit of the holiday season I wanted to share something with my fellow Addicts.

Classic Patrick Allen over at AA.

Chiefs receiving corps isn’t catching on - KansasCity.com
So by Haley’s count, his wideouts aren’t doing their jobs very well this season. The Chiefs have dropped 49 passes in 13 games, and that leads the NFL.

Ohio.com - Injured Quinn is done for year
As the Browns began pre-practice drills in their indoor facility, Brady Quinn sat and watched forlornly, his left foot in a boot and a pair of crutches by his side. For the second consecutive year, Quinn will finish the season on injured reserve, placed there Tuesday with a foot problem suffered on a 24-yard, fourth-quarter bootleg run in the 41-34 victory last Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Scout.com: Black Sunday Passes In Kansas City
The game was a fitting end to a 156-game sell-out streak, and the curtain call of the prolonged “20 Year Plan” of Carl Peterson. We saw shades of the highflying offense from the Dick Vermeil era, an

DMN: Browns need a fresh start | National Football Post
So I can easily see Weis being involved with the coaching staff. But will Mangini want this? And will Weis want to work for Mangini, knowing it might be just a one-year job? But from my sources in the league, I hear that Weis will be given a chance to work in Cleveland. Whether he takes the job is another story.

Kansas City Chiefs - Insider Blog: Cottam's Inspiring Finish
His season wasn’t supposed to end this way. Not the way he had been progressing. Chiefs TE Brad Cottam’s season defined individual progress in 2009. He was a calendar boy for fighting adversity by responding to coaching. Cottam failed before he began to succeed. His rise over the past two weeks had many wanting to believe that the untapped potential had finally been tapped. Maybe we were seeing just the tip of the iceberg.

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Are you done with all of your shopping?

Caption This

Chris Thorman — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:55:53 -0000

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4 months ago: Cincinnati Bengals defensive tackle Tank Johnson has his contact lens checked by trainer Paul Sparling during their first practice at NFL football training camp , Friday, July 31, 2009, in Georgetown, Ky. (AP Photo/Al Behrman)

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One of the more interesting Caption This posts...That's for sure....

Chiefs Cut WR Mark Bradley; Sign WR Quinten Lawrence

Chris Thorman — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:26:11 -0000

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2 months ago: Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Mark Bradley (83) is tackled by Dallas Cowboys cornerback Mike Jenkins (21) and safety Ken Hamlin (26) during the second half of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 11, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. (AP Photo/Ed Zurga)

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More roster moves from the Kansas City Chiefs:

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Tuesday that the club has signed WR Quinten Lawrence to the 53-man roster.

Lawrence (6-0, 184) was a sixth-round pick (175th overall) of the Chiefs in the 2009 NFL Draft. He has played in four games for Kansas City in 2009 and has been on the practice squad for three games. He has 12 kickoff returns for 237 yards, one carry for 16 yards and a nine-yard reception. The Carencro, Louisiana native played in 37 games (32 starts) at McNeese State, catching 99 passes for 1,905 yards (19.2 avg.) with 15 TDs. He also returned 22 kickoffs for 419 yards (18.9 avg.) and registered a 70-yard punt return TD.

The Chiefs released WR Mark Bradley on Tuesday. Bradley played in 13 games (six starts) for the Chiefs in 2009, catching 24 passes for 320 yards with two TDs. He also had two carries for 20 yards and seven kickoff returns for 123 yards. He joined the Chiefs as a free agent in 2008.

We'll have more on this later. H/T to ICTChief for the heads up.

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Do you agree with cutting Mark Bradley?

The Kansas City Chiefs Still Can't Get It Right on Defense

Chris Thorman — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:05:50 -0000

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17 days ago: Denver Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno (27) slips past Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Demorrio Williams (53) as he goes in for a 18-yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Dec. 6, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. The Broncos won 44-13. (AP Photo/Ed Zurga)

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If you can recall last season (or if you actually want to), you'll remember that the Kansas City Chiefs defense was plain terrible, giving up nearly 400 yards of offense to opposing teams each week. The Chiefs took it on the chin in the running game as well, ending up ranked 30th in the NFL against the run.

Unfortunately, this year isn't turning out to be much different. New coaching staff and scheme aside, these Chiefs are producing the same results on defense. I can't believe I'm typing that this year's team is worse against the run. That is just ridiculous.

In fact, Mrs. Arrowhead Pride has taken to watching the Chiefs game each week just to hear the inevitable, "The Chiefs gave up a record...." And when that happens, she laughs uncontrollably while I sulk.

To try and figure out if this Chiefs' D is worse than last year's, we're talking ranks and improvement (or lack thereof), after the jump.

Last March, I looked at the two worst defenses in each year during the last decade and compared them to where they ended up ranked (in yards per game) the next year.

I wanted to see what we could expect a reasonable improvement to be for the Chiefs' D.

1998: Indianapolis Colts (29th to 15th), Carolina Panthers (30th to 26th)
1999: Washington Redskins (30th to 4th), Cleveland Browns (31st to 26th)
2000: Arizona Cardinals (31st to 28th), Seattle Seahawks (32nd to 20th)
2001: Atlanta Falcons (30th to 19th), Carolina Panthers (31st to 2nd)
2002: Detroit Lions (31st to 24th), Kansas City Chiefs (32nd to 29th)
2003: Houston Texans (31st to 23rd), Atlanta Falcons (32nd to 14th)
2004: Kansas City Chiefs (31st to 25th), New Orleans Saints (32nd to 14th)
2005: Houston Texans (31st to 24th), San Francisco 49ers (32nd to 26th)
2006: Washington Redskins (31st to 8th), Tennessee Titans (32nd to 5th)
2007: Buffalo Bills (31st to 14th), Detroit Lions (32nd to 32nd)
2008: Kansas City Chiefs (31st to ???), Detroit Lions (32nd to ???)

I averaged out the improvement in rankings and the average improvement was an increase of 11 spots in the rankings after being the worst or second worst defense.

With the exception of the 2001 Cardinals, the 2002 Chiefs and the 2007 Detroit Lions, every team improved their defensive rank by at least five spots.

Unfortunately, the Chiefs look like they're going to be one of those exceptions again this season. I've compared the 2008 Chiefs defensive ranks with the 2009 ranks:

	2008	2009	Difference
Yards/Game	31	30	+1
Rushing yards	30	31	-1
Passing yards	28	19	+9
Sacks	32	31	+1
1st downs/game	31	21t	+10
Points/game	29	31	-2

Pretty sad, huh?

There are some improvements but I don't think any one here will argue those are because of talent or coaching. It's relatively easy to be a low ranked run defense and have a relatively high pass defense when you're going by yards per game.

The Chiefs are almost assured of being another one of the exceptions I mentioned above, where their defensive rank doesn't improve by more than five spots from year to year.

To get us going this morning, is this year's D worse than last year's?

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Is the 2009 version of the Chiefs defense worse than 2008's?

Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 12/22

Chris Thorman — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:10:31 -0000

Good morning Chiefs fans! This morning we're leading off with last weekend's halftime show. It's apparently a Michael Jackson tribute halftime show, with a little kid breaking down Michael's dance moves. I think they did it because little kids dancing like Michael Jackson is hilarious....

Here are your Chiefs links this morning. Enjoy.

Chiefs News Chiefs Update | Chiefs Football at BobGretz.com
Nothing boils Haley’s blood more than the dropped passes. We’ve covered the subject several times in the last few months because it has been such a big issue for the ‘09 Chiefs. It became even bigger against the Browns, when the head coach said after the game that his team had dropped nine passes. That number grew to 10 after he had a chance to watch the tape.

Chiefs’ rushing defense has been run ragged - KansasCity.com
The Chiefs dropped to 31st in the league in rushing yardage allowed at 162.6 per game, ahead of only Buffalo. The gap between the teams, once considerable, has narrowed to 3 yards per game.

Continuity at coach, QB is key to building a winning in the NFL | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News
The Kansas City Chiefs hired Todd Haley as their fourth head coach of the decade in 2009. The Chiefs have undertaken a complete makeover with a new general manager (Scott Pioli), coaching staff and philosophy. Half the 53-man roster that finished the 2008 season is already gone. Identity? What identity? The 2009 Chiefs have no idea who they are or what they want to be.

'09 review: New Chiefs, same stench | CJOnline.com
After winning only six games in the previous two seasons — the last of which saw a franchise-record 14 losses — 2009 was a time for sweeping changes at One Arrowhead Drive. Sadly, the adage about how the more things change, the more they stay the same often holds true for a sports franchise desperate to claw its way up from rock bottom.

Cincinnati Bengals Big Favorites Over Kansas City Chiefs
The Bengals are 13 1/2-point favorites in the 2009 NFL Week 16 Betting Odds, according to BetUS, with a 40-point total. The loss to the Chargers set the Bengals back a bit in playoff positioning by dropping them into a tie with the also 9-5 New England Patriots for the third seed. It also put their entire postseason prospects into jeopardy because the second place team in their division, Baltimore, has won two-in-a-row and is only a game out with two left to play.

Nothing really going on in Twitter world. Check back soon for more news and analysis.

I prefer "Haley's Comet." Write it down Arrowhead Pride.

Chris Thorman — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:08:10 -0000

I prefer "Haley's Comet." Write it down Arrowhead Pride.

Jamaal Charles' new nickname? Cheesy yes but also kind of cool. From commenter Nick Britt.

Five Good Stats from the Chiefs' Loss to the Browns

Chris Thorman — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:03:26 -0000

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3 days ago: Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Cribbs (16) leaps over Kansas City Chiefs safety Mike Brown (30) while running for a short gain during the third quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Dec. 20, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. The Browns won 41-34. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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Even though the Kansas City Chiefs lost yesterday in stomach turning fashion, they did put up 34 points and 491 yards. When that happens, you're going to have some good stats to talk about.

And not surprisingly, none of those good stats come from the Chiefs defense.

The Chiefs' defense was so surprisingly bad in the absence of DL Glenn Dorsey that it really shocks you to the core. I didn't think we had that many issues on defense...

Demorrio Williams was a active defensive player, making 13 tackles. His name was close to being on this list. He's by far the team's tackle leader by the way. The dynamic duo of Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers each had picks, which was made even more amazing by the fact that the Browns only made 17 pass attempts for 66 yards. It was tempting to put that stat on the list - 66 yards passing - but the Browns were so clearly uninterested in passing the ball that it would be irrelevant to include that total.

On a sleepy Monday morning, here are my five things to make you feel better about the Chiefs game yesterday. We're talking about:

Check 'em out, after the jump.

The Now Weekly Jamaal Charles Appearance

No matter what, Jamaal Charles is going to end up as the Chiefs offensive MVP, if not team MVP of the 2009 season. He rushed 25 times for 154 yards yesterday. He included a 47-yard rushing TD and two catches for 16 yards.

For a relatively talented NFL team, a guy like Jamaal Charles can win you football games. For the Chiefs, it's Charles that's making the Chiefs games even watchable nowadays. He's had all of the Chiefs' rushing touchdowns this season plus the only kick return for a touchdown the team has had.

The only thing holding Charles back, in my opinion, from becoming a long time, full time running back is his tendency to fumble. On the final kickoff of the game, Charles took the ball back near the 30-yard line and fumbled it out of bounds right at the sideline. The Chiefs got the ball back but I think we all flinched a little when it happened. And we weren't too surprised it did.

491 Total Yards, 34 points

The Chiefs racked up major yards against one of the league's worst defenses. 491 total offensive yards and 34 points were both season highs. Here's how the big stat contributors break down:

QB Matt Cassel, 331 yards passing
RB Jamaal Charles, 170 total yards
WR Chris Chambers, 114 yards receiving
TE Brad Cottam, 62 yards recieving
WR Dwayne Bowe, 56 yards receiving

The Chiefs didn't have a lot of long drives to contribute to that 491 total. Out of thirteen drives, the Chiefs only had three, three and outs. The Chiefs consistently moved the ball, albeit against a poor defense.

It was the best offensive performance of the season for KC. The Chiefs ran the ball well; made some big plays; and converted on 2/4 red zone attempts.

Matt Cassel's Best Game of the Season

Cassel bounced back from three straight sub par games to put together a gutsy performance, performing his best in the fourth quarter as usual.

The Chiefs QB passed for 331 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. Although, there was one pass near the goal line that really should have been intercepted if the Browns defender wasn't a total klutz. He ended up with a QB rating of 99.1 on 22/40 attempts. Include a reported nine WR drops in those numbers, and you can see Cassel had a great game. 331 yards passing was by far Cassel's best of the season - by 69 yards in fact.

The Chiefs' official wide receiver drop number is around 30 I believe. Todd Haley says it's more like fifty but we'll take thirty for now. If we add just that low estimate of thirty onto Cassel's season completions, his completion percentage jumps from 54% to 61.5%. That's a big jump and hitting that 60% number is really nice to see in a QB's stats.

Dustin Colquitt > Josh Cribbs

Josh Cribbs tore up the Chiefs special teams unit on kickoff returns, when he had the extra space the get a running start. On kickoff returns, Cribbs averaged nearly 40 yards on kickoff returns but only averaged 8 yards on punt returns. He was essentially neutralized on punt returns by Colquitt and the special teams unit.

We Could Be Talking about Chambers being the #1 WR

Chris Chambers had another great game for the Chiefs, catching five passes for 114 yards and a TD. He and Bowe are tied for the team lead in receiving TDs and Chambers is only 28 yards receiving yards behind Bowe for the season. Bowe has only played in one more game for the Chiefs than Chambers has.

Chambers has the Chiefs' best two receiving games this year, yesterday and against Pittsburgh. Him and Matt Cassel are building a repoire as well, which is something we haven't really seen around KC in a few seasons. Right now, Chambers is the biggest threat in the WR corp.

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Give us your thoughts on these stats in the comments. It's not all bad, right?

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Which one of these is the best stat?

Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 12/21

Chris Thorman — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:52 -0000

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3 days ago: Cleveland Browns running back Jerome Harrison (35) is chased into the end zone by Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson (56) while scoring the winning touchdown during the fourth quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Dec. 20, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. The Browns won 41-34. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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It is the first day of winter and it certainly feels like it in Kansas City after the Chiefs' loss to the Cleveland Browns yesterday.

Here are your links for the morning. NJ Chiefs Fan is off this week. I'm taking over because I'm working through Christmas Eve.

Chiefs News Chiefs Update | Chiefs Football at BobGretz.com
It’s ironic that the last time a Chiefs regular season game was not broadcast locally was on December 16, 1990, when Houston QB Warren Moon threw for 527 yards, the second biggest passing day in league history. Some 19 years and four days later, with local TVs dark again, Cribbs and Harrison turn in historic performances.

Chiefs v. Browns Photo Gallery

Chiefs buzz | Grigsby exits Chiefs broadcast booth for final time - KansasCity.com

Longtime broadcaster Bill Grigsby, a Kansas City icon for six decades, completed his final contribution to the Chiefs broadcast on Sunday. He said he’s retiring after watching all but a handful of Chiefs games in the franchise’s history. “Times change, you know?” Grigsby, 87, said before Kansas City’s home finale Sunday.

Scout.com: Pull The Plug On Pendergast

The list goes on – Drew Brees, Shannon Sharpe, Matt Hasselbeck, Shaun Alexander – they all enjoyed career games against the Chiefs that season, and Kansas City had the worst defense in the NFL. Dead last. It prevented the league’s top-ranked offense from advancing to the playoffs, and one thing was abundantly clear – Greg Robinson, KC’s defensive coordinator, had to be fired.

Ohio.com - Record-setting win for Browns

''For the past two, three weeks, me and Josh have had a personal vendetta against each other, like who's going to outperform each other,'' Harrison said. ''He set the tempo. He set it very high. At halftime I said, 'I'm going to come and get you' and he just laughed. So I thought, 'I've got my work cut out trying to catch him.' '' Getting a career-high 34 carries, Harrison scored on dashes of 71, 8 and 28 yards, running parallel to the goal line to kill time on the last one with 44 seconds remaining.

Cribbs, Harrison run wild for Browns - KansasCity.com

Harrison rushed for 286 yards, the third-highest single-game total in NFL history. Cribbs, the outstanding do-everything player, returned two kickoffs for touchdowns. After his day in Kansas City, where above-average players become superstars, Cribbs became the most prolific return man in NFL history with eight career touchdowns on kick returns. “That’s amazing,” he said. “The NFL has been around for a long time. I feel real good about our kickoff-return units. To see all of our units play well today, I was like, ‘Goodness, where were we at all year?’ ”

Chiefs tough to watch in a 41-34 loss to Browns - KansasCity.com

There wasn’t much of an ending, though. An announced crowd of 53,315 saw it and groaned. If you stayed home to darn a new pair of sweatpants or study the mysteries of the yak, know that you’ve seen Arrowhead Stadium’s production before. The Chiefs lost in dramatic, pitiful and historically bad fashion — and again challenged the boundaries of hitting bottom.

Arrowhead Addict | A Kansas City Chiefs Blog

It was one of the lowest attended games I have seen in the past two years, despite the blackout. It almost seems the blackout rule has the opposite effect. As far as our sell out streak ending, I didn’t hear one person mention it. It seemed almost as if nobody cared. Booming bass from the stereos was noticeably absent from the parking lot. The usual festive Arrowhead atmosphere didn’t crawl out of bed today.

NFL Game Center: Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs - 2009 Week 15
All week the Browns heard how Mike Holmgren coming to Cleveland might mean the end of coach Eric Mangini's short, drama-filled stint with the team. Jerome Harrison and Joshua Cribbs may have saved their coach's job, at least for now, trying to outdo each other with record-setting games.

Dropped passes continue to plague KC receivers - KansasCity.com
Matt Cassel’s first 300-yard game for the Chiefs could have been his first 400-yard game. Eight dropped passes made sure his total stayed at 331. Those dropped throws also might have cost the Chiefs a victory Sunday. They instead lost to the Cleveland Browns 41-34 at Arrowhead Stadium.

Let's Address the 275 Pound Elephant In The Room: Congratulations to JaMarcus Russell, Now Get Back To Work! - Silver And Black Pride
I was on my knees and praying when there were 40 seconds left on the clock. I was praying that the Oakland Raiders, despite their limitations would be able to pull out a win today! I was praying that JaMarcus Russell would find someone open and win the ball game for us, and he did. Finding Chaz Schillens on a crossing route and hitting him in perfect stride for 6. By listening to the player interviews afterward and also taking into account what I saw today, JaMarcus is still 3rd String, behing Gradkowski and Frye, BUT, today he earned the game ball and he should be proud of his teammates for helping him out on the last drive and also proud of himself.

Potent Quotables - Raiders 20 - Broncos 19 - Mile High Report
"I give the Raiders credit. We knew coming in, it would be a good, tough-fought hard division game, similar to the first one. They certainly did more than we did at the line of scrimmage. They took advantage of the opportunities down low in the red zone, we struggled to do that. Any time you have to kick field goals in a game it's going to be close, it's going to be costly in the end. They made a few more plays than we did and I give the coach credit. And their staff, they did a nice job and had a good game plan and I give them credit, we have to go back to work."

Bolts & Dolts: Bengals at Chargers - Bolts From The Blue

First, the game. This game ranks up there with the Giants game for me. It's an opponent of equal talent, and a lot of times in the past the Chargers have lost to teams that are just as good as them by not doing the little things. This season, through plenty of adversity (namely, injuries), the team has continued to do the little things that keep you in the game and give you a chance to win the game at the end. Because of that, today's first Bolt might be the most well-deserved one ever.

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im ready for a change

Steven Carpenter (ThatStevenC) on Twitter

still somewhat shocked my KC chiefs lost 2 cleveland browns.no offense2 Ohio friends but my lord I didn't think we were as bad as the browns

Shane F. Wray (ShaneFWray_CA) on Twitter

#KCChiefs special teams & defense looked totally gassed against #Cleveland. Haley's General Patton style has this team closing with no fuel.

Michael Ericksen (mromasanta) on Twitter

How could the Chiefs lose to the poor ol' Browns in Arrowhead...

Randy Wilder (InstantRandy) on Twitter

Hey ESPN i dont want to hear anymore about the Browns historic day. Im a Chiefs fan for crying out loud

Cleveland Browns vs Kansas City Chiefs Game Coverage

Chris Thorman — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:46:39 -0000

Cleveland Browns vs Kansas City Chiefs Game Coverage

All of our game coverage is at this link, in case you need to catch up.