
ClipperChuck
Jul 01, 2008 Apr 14, 2012 122 14968
Clipper Fanatic. Larry Brown may be a crotchety old man but he is the best basketball coach the world has ever seen. Yes he's won a NCAA and NBA title but his most impressive accomplishment was leading the Clippers to back to back playoff appearances. The Clippers have been to the playoffs 3 times in their existence and Brown led them to 2 out of those 3 and they were in consecutive seasons to boot!
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Hollinger's trade idea for the Clippers
This is a confusing one, I was under the impression we couldn't trade Billups. The entire articles requires Insider but I'll post the Clipper-centric content below.
Ray Allen and Trevor Ariza to the Clippers; Chris Kaman and Eric Bledsoe to Boston; Chris Wilcox, Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes, Chauncey Billups, and Brian Cook to New Orleans
View this deal in ESPN.com's NBA Trade Machine Here
Billups
Kaman
Allen
While we're breaking up the Celtics, here's another good one to ponder -- either in conjunction with the deal above or on its own. The Clippers certainly become rather potent in the wake of this trade; by agreeing to swallow Ariza's contract from the Hornets and part with the promising Bledsoe, they get a deadly wing shooter in Allen to replace the injured Billups. Additionally, Ariza gives them the wing defender they've sorely needed all season.
For New Orleans, this is a straight salary dump of Ariza, with Kaman the lure. The Hornets would have to pay Gomes one more year, but otherwise get four expiring contracts. New Orleans also would have to waive Solomon Jones and Lance Thomas to make this deal work; let's just say I don't see that as a show-stopper.
As for the Celtics, they get a promising guard in Bledsoe and the Bird rights to a big low-post center, Kaman. That actually has value for the C's, who unlike New Orleans actually have a prayer of re-signing Kaman. They do take on $2.6 million in luxury tax in this deal, but if they don't do the one above, they can eliminate that expense by sending O'Neal to the Hornets instead of Wilcox.
2nd Half Story - 5 out of 5 pick Clippers to win Pacific
2. Clippers or Lakers: Who wins the Pacific Division?
Adande: Clippers. They have the more difficult road itinerary left, but the Lakers face tougher opponents, including three games vs. the Spurs in the final seven. Plus, the Clippers have a better team.
Foster: I'll take the Clippers winning the Pacific Division by the narrowest of margins, but the Lakers as the team with the better playoff outlook. The Clippers' offense is spectacular and Chris Paul will win close games, but teams that rank 22nd in defensive efficiency historically don't make deep playoff runs.
Mason: Clippers. Paul and the Clips already own a three-game head start over the Lakers in the loss column and also boast a clearer sense of their team's identity. More troubling than the Lakers' 6-12 road record is that even with Gasol, Bryant and Bynum playing well, they have yet to sustain an offensive rhythm for more than a few quarters.
Peterson: Clippers. If the Lakers were still running the triangle, I'd pick the Lakers because of their depth and, ahem, experience. But the NBA belongs to point guards, and when it comes to comparing Derek Fisher, a fine player representative, versus Chris Paul, the finest player at his position, it's no contest. Paul will be the difference between the Clippers finishing first and the Lakers finishing second.
Sherwood Strauss: Clippers. When in doubt, choose the team that isn't dangling a star over the fishing pier. Also: World Peace, Derek Fisher, Troy Murphy and Steve Blake.
Western Conference Potential Trade Partners
Yesterday we looked at the non-playoff teams out East. Today we will head back to the Western Conference teams that look like they are out of the running already.
Currently the Denver Nuggets and Houston Rockets are tied for the 7th and 8th playoffs spots. Hovering around .500 are the Portland Trailblazers, Utah Jazz and Minnesota Timberwolves. We have to assume these teams will looking to add a piece or two to improve their playoff odds but things can change before the deadline (a Mo Williams and other pieces for Gerald Wallace could make sense for instance).
I'll list their salary for this season so we can see if the Clips have the contracts to match up in a trade scenario. In the comments you can discuss the pros and cons of each available player, what offer to make and other factors. I took out some players that aren't available due to free agency rules or players with great contracts that simply won't be moved for what the Clips can offer.
Keep in mind the Clippers only tangible trade pieces will still be Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes, Eric Bledsoe, Brian Cook, Trey Thompkins andTravis Leslie. Alternatively they have a 3.8 million trade exception they can use. We will work with the assumption that Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Caron Butler, Kenyon Martin, Reggie Evans and Mo Williams are not being traded. Chauncey Billups isn't eligible for trade either as an amnestied player.
Portland Trailblazers
Potential Wingmen - Gerald Wallace (10.6 million), Wesley Mathews (6.1 million), Jamal Crawford (5 million)
Utah Jazz
Potential Wingmen - Raja Bell (3.24 million), CJ Miles (3.7 million)
Minnesota Timberwolves
Potential Wingmen - Martell Webster (5.2 million), Wayne Ellington (1.2 million)
Potential Wingmen - Dorell Wright (3.8 million), Brandon Rush (2.9 million)
Potential Wingmen - Jared Dudley (4.25 million), Josh Childress (6 million), Grant Hill (6.5 million)
Potential Wingmen - Marcus Thornton (7.1 million), Francisco Garcia (6.1 million)
Potential Wingmen - Trevor Ariza (6.8 million), Marco Belinelli (3.4 million)
Discuss!
Potential Eastern Conference Trade Partners
Well now that the Clippers lost the J.R. Smith lottery its obvious what the team's chief objective is from now until the trade deadline/buyout dead line.
Today we will look at the Eastern Conference non-playoff teams (based on today's record, so we will look at the 12-18 Bucks, currently 9th in the East and any team below them in the standings) since they are the most likely to be cost-cutting mode thus there will be potential bargains available and frankly the playoff teams in the East seem determined already. I'll list their salary for this season so we can see if the Clips have the contracts to match up in a trade scenario. In the comments you can discuss the pros and cons of each available player, what offer to make and other factors (i.e. I will list Mike Dunleavy Jr. but there are non-basketball reasons why this won't happen). I took out some players that aren't available (Tayshaun or Marshon Brooks) due to free agency rules or players with great contracts that simply won't be moved for what the Clips can offer.
Keep in mind the Clippers only tangible trade pieces will be Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes, Eric Bledsoe, Brian Cook, Trey Thompkins and Travis Leslie. Alternatively they have a 3.8 million trade exception they can use. We will work with the assumption that Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Caron Butler, Kenyon Martin, Reggie Evans and Mo Williams are not being traded. Chauncey Billups isn't eligible for trade either as an amnestied player.
Potential Wingmen - Stephen Jackson (9.2 million), Mike Dunleavy (3.75 million), Carlos Delfino (3.5 million)
Potential Wingmen - Omri Casspi (1.3 million), Anthony Parker (2.25 million), Alonzo Gee (885k)
Potential Wingmen - Jonas Jerebko (4.5 million)
Potential Wingmen - Leandro Barbosa (7.6 million), Linas Kleiza (4.6 million)
Potential Wingmen - Anthony Morrow (4 million)
Washington Wizard
Potential Wingmen - Nick Young (3.7 million)
Potential Wingmen - Reggie Williams (2.5 million), Corey Maggette (10.2 million), Gerald Henderson (2.25 million)
Discuss!
Loss of Chauncey Billups leaves Clippers with no margin for error
Pretty sure no one posted this. Here's the most important snippet.
Billups’ injury breaks up the single most effective five-man lineup that has logged at least 100 minutes so far this season, according to Basketball Value. In 255 minutes together — more time than all but five units league-wide — the Clippers’ starting lineup has outscored opponents by nearly 18 points per 100 possessions. It has provided consistently great defense for a team that has done poorly on that end. Substitute Williams for Billups, and that number drops to about 4.5 points per 100 possessions. As John Schuhmann pointed out at NBA.com, the drop-off has come on defense, where Williams, at 6-1, just cannot defend shooting guards, even though he’s in the best shape of his career and generally working his tail off.
A concern for the Clippers
You'll need Insider to read the whole thing but essentially Tom Haberstroh is breaking down the schedule and looking at how teams will handle the back to backs of this condensed season. He specifically discussed the Clippers.
But do familiar teams actually play better in a crunch? It sure seems that way. The following chart illustrates the relationship of continuity and performance in back-to-backs. If you're a coach, you want to see your team in the top right of the chart: good performance and familiar faces. The bottom left? Well, that's when you get some ugly play along with some new faces. Sorry, Clippers fans.
Evidently, continuity isn't just an empty load of coachspeak: We're seeing a pretty consistent relationship above (and a stronger relationship than what we see in regular games). Teams that play well on back-to-backs tend to have a lot of continuity on their roster. Other teams have struggled with their new teammates when they hit the grind.
You rarely see a team with low continuity and a good record or a bad record and a high retention rate (notice the empty pockets in the bottom right and top left corners). The Clippers, as good as they might be, have really struggled to maintain their performance when they play without any rest. So it's not just that bad teams play poorly; unfamiliar ones do, too.
CP3 doesn't have this kind of lift post-knee injury but this is a nice play to build up hype for tonight.
Martin will help, but is he worth it?
You'll need ESPN Insider to read the whole thing but here's an excerpt from the article.
This might be similar to the errors Miami made with its roster construction last season, when slow, over-the-hill big men led to a bunch of unused centers on the inactive list during the postseason. The Heat learned their lesson and added some young talent to the bench mix this season. The Clippers will use Martin, but signing him is not a very creative move for a team that has a shot at winning its conference. To be fair, Miami reportedly was one of the other contenders to land Martin, as were several other playoff-caliber teams. It seems the collective perception of Martin is askew with the reality.
But, who knows, maybe it'll work out. If it does, it'll be because Martin proves to be an upgrade to the defense. According to 82games.com, the Clippers are a whopping 18.5 points per 100 possessions worse defensively when Jordan is on the bench. They are 5.8 points worse when Griffin sits. It shouldn't be hard for Martin to close those gaps. For all his hard work, the Clippers get torched when Evans is in the game, and now his role should be reduced. Last season in Denver, the Nuggets were 3.7 points better defensively with Martin on the floor.
Miami Heat extend offers to Martin and Przybilla
Miami is going after 2 big guys the Clips could use as well. So it comes down to South Beach versus Los Angeles. Talk about 1st world problems.
Bill Simmons: What if the Clippers never traded Baron Davis?"
8. Where does "What if the Clippers never traded Baron Davis?" rank among the all-time NBA What Ifs?
Definitely top 50. And climbing. It was already one of the dumbest NBA trades6 of the past 10 years before the amnesty clause became part of the new labor agreement … at that point, it became one of the dumber trades in sports history. Should the Clippers be criticized for not guessing in January, with a labor stoppage looming, that the amnesty clause would potentially be in play? Yes and no — yes, they should have known, and no, they couldn't have known (because they're owned by a slum lord who has no idea what's going on).
There's more, check the link (number 8) for the full discussion.
Rasheed Wallace making a comeback?
Clips have to look into this. He's probably out of shape but he's still an upgrade over Cook and Jones. Chauncey needs to convince him to come out here for one final run.
Hot seat? Vinny Del Negro is cool with that
Surprisingly no one posted this... adding to the intrigue is the fact this was written a few days BEFORE the season started. Looking at the next 6 games, the next 3 are particularly important as the Clippers can't afford to dig themselves in a 2-6 start (road game vs Portland, Lakers and Heat at home).
ClipperChuck's Christmas Gift to the Clippers Front Office
Being a benevolent soul I decided to share a list of things the Clippers can feasibly do to make them Champions THIS year. As it stands the Clipper are looking like a good playoff team held back by a weak bench. They are lacking some size up front and lack a elite perimeter defender to guard the Durant's and Lebron's which keep them out of the title hunt. In a few simple moves they can quickly address their weaknesses and become legitimate title contenders (even favorites).
Step 1. First on the list, Neil Olshey needs to call up Andrei Kirilenko's agent, Mark Fleisher and find out if his client would be willing to take a 4 year 28 million (only the first three years guaranteed) starting at 6.5 million.
Here's how this conversation goes in my head.
Olshey: Hey Mark, I should be get pretty close to your asking price of 7.5 million a year, how does 4 years/28 million sound? I need to make some other moves to get there but there's a limited window to this offer.
Fleisher: I don't know, this is Andrei's last big contract...
Olshey: Well find out, remind him this is LA, his wife's career can be huge here and if they still have that "arrangement" he'll have a lot of fun out here.
30 minutes later
Kirilenko: Ok, I'm in.
Olshey: Ok, give me an hour, I'll find out if I can make this happen.
Step 2. Call up Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak.
Olshey: Hey Cupcake, let's talk some hoops.
Kupchak: Screw you guys, I can't believe Stern that $&^@#!
Olshey patiently lets Kupchak rage for 10 minutes
Olshey: Yea that's why I called, I feel bad about how things went down so I'm calling because I have a great solution to help make up for it.
Kupchak: Oh, what's that?
Olshey: I can give you Mo Williams for... wait for it... nothing
Kupchak: Oh and why would you do that?
Olshey: You know the Don, he doesn't like cutting checks. My loss your gain buddy. You can sell it to your fans that you traded "Non-All-Star" Lamar Odom for "All-Star" Mo Williams AND a first round pick
Kupchak: Well that makes sense.
Olshey: Yea, consider us even (evil grin)
3. Amnesty Ryan Gomes, thus creating the cap space needed to sign AK47
4. Sign Joel Przybilla with the 2.5 million exception
Olshey: Bro, you only need to play 10 minutes a night, why you can play 2-3 more years this way
Przybilla: I dunno, I don't want to move the kids again
Olshey: Don't worry man, Sterling will hook you up with some nice housing, you pass his eye test y'know.
5. Call up Orlando Magic GM Otis Smith
Olshey: What's up in O-town? Y'all rebuilding yet?
Smith: We're not sure yet.
Olshey: Well I got a deal that can do both for you. How about Randy Foye and Eric Bledsoe for JJ Redick. You get a cheap rookie PG that's the next Westbrook (try to not giggle, remember stay in character Olshey) and a expiring contract and SG just as good. Why this will save you over 10 million the next two year!
Smith: Well I do like trading for the sake of trading so let's do this.
So there you have it folks.
SG - Billups/Redick/Leslie
PG - Paul/
C - DJ/Przybilla/Cook
PF - Griffin/Evans/Thompkins
SF - Butler/Kirilenko
This is a roster that can win a championship.
ESPN 5 on 5 on the Clippers
Best Question and Answer....
5. Will a shortened season help or hurt the Clippers?
Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: With Paul and Billups running the show, I don't think the turnover in personnel matters much. And, besides, you can fit Del Negro's offensive playbook on the back of a take-out menu.
Chuck Hayes fails physical - Contract Voided
First off this is scary stuff as another young guy in their 20s has a heart problem.
Still maybe its possible the Clippers could get Hayes for the 2.5 million exception. He'd be a good backup big behind DJ and Griffin. He can even give DJ some tips on shooting free throws.
Wages of Win think this CP3 guy is pretty good
This analysis actually came before the trade so its safe to assume he approves of the deal now.
KAAAHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNN!
Did it again, he drafted a 26 year old towards the end of the draft. No real harm done but this could only happen to David Kahn right? Olshey supporters will no doubt rally behind this later on when they point out that the Clippers didn't draft a 26 year old guy so therefore it could be worse.
Chad Ford's Draft Grade
Requires Insider to see the entire draft. But here's the excerpt on the Clippers.
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS GRADE: C-
Round 1: None.
Round 2: Trey Thompkins (37, obtained from Detroit), Travis Leslie (47, obtained from Houston)
Analysis: If the Clippers had sat on their hands at the February trade deadline, we'd be talking about how Kyrie Irving was the final piece of the puzzle for a young Clippers team.
Instead, they traded their first-round pick to Cleveland, Mo Williams is their point guard and the Clippers have Thompkins and Leslie, teammates from Georgia who've underperformed for the past two years. Both have talent appropriate for the second round, but I still can't help but think that the Clippers would've been better off with Irving and Baron Davis in L.A. instead of Irving and Davis in Cleveland.
Draft Day Thread
Here's a thread for us to discuss the rumors, trades and picks of tonight's draft. Clips have the 37th and 47th pick in the 2nd round of the draft.
Here's a good twitter feed to follow (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) for all the latest developments in real time.
The NBA Draft starts at 4:30pm (PST) on ESPN. For those of you at work without television you can follow the picks on espn3.com
Fixing the Western Conference Lottery Teams
Requires ESPN Insider to read the entire article but here is the part about the Clips.
Los Angeles Clippers
Statistical weakness: Avoiding turnovers (30th)
Weakest positions: SF
The Clippers have young starters at shooting guard (Eric Gordon), power forward (Blake Griffin) and center (restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan). Point guard is covered for now by Mo Williams, with Eric Bledsoe as the heir apparent. That leaves small forward as the lone position in flux. Al-Farouq Aminu, last year's lottery pick, is the likely long-term solution. However, Aminu is years away from developing into a starter, if ever. After a brief run of fluky 3-point shooting early in the season came to an end, Aminu found it impossible to score efficiently in the NBA. He made just 43.7 percent of his 2-point attempts, a number that must improve at least to 50 percent.
Ideally, the Clippers would upgrade small forward with a player who is young enough to grow with the rest of their core. A rumored trade that would send Chris Kaman to Philadelphia in exchange for Andre Iguodala would be nearly perfect from L.A.'s perspective, giving the team an athletic stopper on the wing. Failing that, the Clippers should try to avoid taking on long contracts that would limit their flexibility. Offering salary-cap relief for a player with a couple of years left on his deal, like Atlanta's Josh Smith, would make sense.
Which FA SF should the Clippers pursue?
Since the draft lottery order was announced it became evident how important the cap space created from the Baron Davis-Mo Williams swap would be in determining the outcome of the trade. Assuming the Clippers decide to keep Chris Kaman the Clippers will need to solve their SF hole through free agency. So who exactly is available?
Hoopsworld has a list of free agents (http://www.hoopsworld.com/story.asp?story_id=18192) with their free agency status. The list is pretty comprehensive and you'll need to look at the SG and PF rankings as some players that can play SF may occupy those lists.
I've taken the liberty of listing the top 10 options from the list and unless otherwise noted they are unrestricted. I've also added their respective ages on the usual opening night (Oct. 30th) since that is important to consider for long term deals. Feel free to add to the comments if you think there is another FA SF not on the list.
According to the report, the Cavs would send their $14.5 million trade exception to the Pistons for the eighth pick and veteran shooting guard Richard Hamilton.
Another option to explore would be adding a starting center via a trade. In this scenario, a player like the Clippers' Chris Kaman would make plenty of sense. Kaman is in the last year of his contract, which pays him $12.2 million. Assuming the Clippers ink DeAndre Jordan to an new deal they may be willing to move Kaman, especially if it saves Donald Sterling (L.A.'s notoriously stingy owner) some money. What about something like this: JO, Avery Bradley and a future draft pick (and cash) to the Clippers for Kaman (and try to find a 3rd team to absorb the salary difference)?
Franchise Players
This is a interesting piece from ESPN on Franchise Players. It looks at the guys that play both offense and defense. One name on the list that has been bandied about around here shows up.
"Andre Iguodala -- Offense 65, Defense 95
LeBron will tell you that only two players have averaged 14 points, five rebounds and six assists this season: himself and Iguodala. It's fitting the two have gone head to head in the opening round of the Eastern Conference playoffs, because in many ways Iguodala is LeBron Lite, a wing player who impacts the game in so many ways on both ends of the floor.
Iguodala's reputation has swung like a pendulum over the past few seasons, from underappreciated to overpaid to underappreciated again. Sure, he's been hobbled this season, but the 27-year-old still ranks as one of the best defenders in the league. According to 82games, his opponent PER is a league-best 8.8, which means he basically reduces his counterpart to Travis Outlaw-esque production. That's value. Iguodala's ability to guard multiple positions has also helped the Sixers play four points better per 100 possessions with the 6-foot-6 freak athlete on the floor. He may not be a go-to scorer, but he doesn't need to be to have a major positive impact on the game."
Tom Thibodeau wins coach of year
Clips obviously hired the wrong guy.
"[I'm] very happy for him," Noah said Sunday. "Very well deserving. Coach is one of the hardest workers I've ever been around. He stays in late. He's the first one here. He was here for me all summer, working me out, and I feel like I really improved as a player because of him in just one year. Very tough coach. And I'm happy for him."
Five lottery-to-playoffs teams
You need Insider to read the entire article but here is the part that pertains to the Clippers. Interesting (worrisome?) that Pelton thinks the Clippers are going to preserve cap space next year (so I guess no SF?) to be a big player in 2012 (the Decision Part Deux?)
5. Los Angeles Clippers
Why they'll make the playoffs: Two words: Blake Griffin.
Why they'll stay in the lottery: The Clippers face an even bigger deficit to overcome than the Nets, having finished 14 games out of the playoffs and 11 behind the Rockets.
Certainly, the Clippers are a long shot, but there is too much talent on hand to entirely rule out the possibility that they develop ahead of schedule. Between their 1-13 start and Eric Gordon suffering a bone fracture in the wrist of his shooting arm, the Clippers were better than .500 (16-13). Meanwhile, Mo Williams is a more reliable option at the point than Baron Davis. The downside is the Clippers are unlikely to add much to their lineup this offseason. They dealt their first-round pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers in the Davis-Williams trade and will probably forego free agency in order to keep their salary cap clean for the summer of 2012, when they could be substantially below the salary cap.
Bigger jump in 2012: Nets or Clippers?
Buchar and Broussard debate on which team will improve more (in terms of win improvement over this year) next year.
Broussard picks the Nets to improve their record more the addition of Deron Williams while Buchar picks the Clips because of Blake Griffin.
Lottery wish lists: Western Conference
You'll need Insider to see the entire article. Here is the Clipper relevant part.
Los Angeles Clippers
Record: 32-50
2011-12 $M: -$8.7
The Clippers stand on a rock-solid foundation. Now it's time to build around it.
Where should they begin? The small forward position needs a filling like an ill tooth. For all the promise in Al-Farouq Aminu, a big hole exists between Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin in the lineup. It would make a ton of sense for the Clippers to try to engage the Nuggets in a deal for Danilo Gallinari, but it may prove difficult to make a deal work unless they part with Gordon. A package including Eric Bledsoe, Aminu, Chris Kaman's expiring deal and a future first-rounder may be a good start.
Aside from the small forward position, the Clips need their point guard position to clean up a bit. With Bledsoe coughing it up seemingly every other possession, it's no wonder the Clippers rank at the bottom of the league in turnover rate. Mo Williams certainly isn't helping matters there, either.
Arbitration begins Monday for Mike Dunleavy and Clippers
Looks like this will finally be resolved in a couple of months. Just another black eye for the franchise.
2011 Free Agents: Position by Position
Good list (although they did a poor job of ranking the players) of upcoming free agents, their current salaries and their pending free agency status (unrestricted versus restricted).
Obviously the SF is the biggest area of need for the Clips (be sure to check the SG list as well as some SFs are on that list) but also check out the C list since Kaman is one of the more valuable trade assets the Clippers have.
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