SB Nation User Blog: Dustin SLO,CA

Comparing Matt Cassel VS Tyler Thigpen

Dustin SLO,CA — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:51:30 -0000

Let me start be saying I'm really happy that we got Cassel in the fashion that we did. I think it was GREAT for us to bring him in and do it w/ a 2nd rounder and also getting Vrable. I found out when my brother (raider fan) text me "cassel huh?" I replied w/ some profanity. But when he told me we got him AND Vrable with only a 2nd round pick.... I was ecstatic.

But, I'm not sold on Cassel being given QB1 or him (necessarily) being a franchise QB over Tyler Thigpen. Though I hope he (or Thigpen for that matter) proves to be both of those.

I know that an argument against Cassel is that he is a product of the New England system.

I know that an argument against Thigpen is that he only has 1 win.

My intent with this post is to compare Tyler Thigpen & Matt Cassel as STARTERS in 2008.

Matt Cassel

via weblogs.newsday.com

Number of Pro-Bowlers that played a minimum of 10 games:

9- Welker, Vrabel, O'Neill, Moss, Hanson, Ghostkowski, Wilfork, Seymour, Bruchi (Thomas & Izzo played 9 games)

New England's NFL Rankings:

Offense- 5th Passing- 12th Rushing- 6th DEFENSE- 10th

Stats as Starter:

Games- 15 Completions- 314 Attempts- 498 %- 63.1 Yards- 3,541 YPA- 7.11 YPG- 236.1 TD- 20 Int- 11 Rating- 88.4 [Att/G- 33.2 (3.2 more/G) Comp/G- 20.9 (3.4more/G)]

Rushing: 69 Carries 257 Yards 3.7 Avg 2 TD 7 Fumbles 4 Lost

Touchdowns/Game= 1.47 Int+Fum/Game= 1.2

Recievers:

1. W. Welker (9th).......111 Rec.....1165 Yds....3 TD

2. R. Moss (21st)..........69..............1088..........11

3. K. Faulk ......................58................486............3

4. J. Gaffney....................38................468............2

Tyler Thipgen

via cache.daylife.com

Pro-Bowler that played a minimum 10 games:

3. Gonzo, LJ, Waters

NFL Rankings:

Offense- 24th Pass- 20th Rush- 16th DEFENSE- 31st

Stats as the Starter:

Games- 11 Comp- 192 Attempts- 330 %- 58.3 Yards- 2,216 YPA- 6.72 YPG- 201.5 TD- 16 INT- 8 Rating- 84.6 [Att/G- 30 Comp/G- 17.5]

Rush: 54 Carries 343 Yards 6.4 Avg 2 TD 4 Fumbles 2 Lost

TD/Game- 1.64 Int&Fum/Game- 1.1

Recievers:

1. T. Gonzalez (12th).....96 Rec......1058 Yards.....10 TD

2. D. Bowe (18th)...........86..............1022.................7

3. M. Bradley...................30...............380...................3

4. J. Charles...................27...............272...................1

I am definitely more impressed by Tyler Thigpen's performance than I am by Cassel's. The results are consistently close but Thigpen had MUCH less help around him. Although if Cassel EARNS the starting position and winds up being the franchise QB we desperately need, that's awesome.

I don't like using the win column when comparing these 2 QBs, espescially based on 1 season. As I said before (sorry NE Silver), Cassel took over a team that went undefeated until the Super Bowl. How many records did they break? Thigpen took over a team that won 4 Games the entire previous season. He wasn't even the #2 guy on the depth chart.

2004 By PacChief's theory

Dustin SLO,CA — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:32:10 -0000

Since i was told a couple times (in very nice ways) to do the research, I felt compelled to do so (my girlfriend was stoked...). I picked 2004 randomly and also because it gives some time for devolopment. Let me just say that I don't/didn't want PacChief's theory to pass nor fail. I was completely indifferent. I just wanted all the information first.

(Though, I wish I would have chosen a year w/ more Juniors. But I didn't know until I already did the legwork)

2004 NFL Quarterback Draft Class:

Seniors with at least 3 Years Starting:

(In Draft Order)

% Yds TD INT

Eli Manning- Mississippi- 1 ProBowl, 1 Superbowl

48.5 170 0 1

63.5 2948 31 9

58 3401 21 15

62.4 3600 29 10

Phillip Rivers- NC State 1 ProBowl

53.7 3054 25 10

65 2586 16 7

62.7 3353 20 10

72 4491 34 7

JP Losman- Tulane (9 Games freshman yr, split time)

50.4 722 4 2

63.3 487 4 1

57.4 2468 19 10

59.5 3077 33 14

Matt Shaub- Virginia

87.5 50 0 1

58.3 1524 10 8

68.9 2976 28 7

69.7 2952 18 10

Luke McCown- Louisiana T

66.1 2544 21 15

58.9 3337 28 14

58.6 3539 19 19

56.9 3246 19 14

Jeff Smoker- Mich State Started 3 years but can’t find each year's stats

2003 61.9 3395 21 14

carreer @ michigan

59.6 8932 61 39

John Navarre- Michigan

51.9 583 8 1

53.8 2195 17 12

55.4 2905 21 7

59.2 3331 24 10

Cody Pickett- Washington

50 12 0 0

56.1 2403 10 14

59.6 4458 28 14

56.6 3043 15 13

Casey Bramlet- Wyoming

started @ least 3 seasons, but again can't find the info

School Record comp-767 (also Yds and TD's)

? 9684 56 ?

Bradlee Van Pelt- Colorado St

48.5 1247 8 10

52.3 2073 10 7

60.6 2845 19 13

Seniors w/ at Least 2 Years:

Craig Krenzel- Ohio State

50 41 0 0

53.7 282 1 3

59.4 2110 12 7

55 2040 15 10

Jim Sorgi- Wisconsin 8 Games FR & SO Years (16G)

48.5 1096 9 8

54.3 536 1 2

56.5 2251 17 9

BJ Symons- Texas Tech

65.4 5833 52 22

Seniors:

Andy Hall- Delaware/Georgia T

25 37 0 0

55.6 262 1 2

Josh Harris- Bowling Green

60.9 1022 9 3

Juniors w/ at Least 3 Years Exp:

Ben Rothlisberger- Miami OH 1 ProBowl, 2 SuperBowls

63.3 3105 25 13

63.3 3238 22 11

69.1 4486 37 10

Juniors:

Matt Mauck- LSU

43.9 224 0 2

48.5 782 9 2

64 2825 28 14

Actual Draft Order:

Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger, Losman, Schaub, McCown, Krenzel, Hall, Harris, Sorgi, Smoker, Navarre, Pickett, Bramlet, Mauck, Symons, Van Pelt.

Now Listed in order by the tested Criteria (or so I believe):

For clarification that criteria is 3 years Starting Experience and entered the draft as a Senior (or Junior...). Senior over Junior when both have the same experience. (most basic and original form)

(The number is their actual selection number)

P. Rivers 4

E. Manning 1

J. Smoker 201

L. McCown 106

J. Navarre 202

M. Shaub 90

J. Lossman 22

C. Pickett 217

C. Bramlet 218

B. Van Pelt 250

B. Rothlisberer 11

B. Symons 148

C. Krenzel 148

J. Sorgi 193

M. Mauck 225

A. Hall 185

J. Harris 187

*To rank players with similar criteria I used PacChiefs reasoning of improvment with each year.

I know Roethlisberger was projected 1st round and ranked #2 but that doesn't fit the criteria. There were 10 Senior QB's with 3 years of experience vs a Junior with 3yrs.

Busts w/ the experience:

(Maybe too soon but seem to be busts) Trent Edwards, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye,

Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Chris Simms, Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi, Tim Couch (2.5), Andrew Walter, Trent Dilfer(?), Cade McNown, Kordell Stewart, Charlie Batch (6yrs!), I think that's enough for now.

Gems w/ out the experience:

David Gerrard, Tom Brady, Joe Montana (22 starts), Drew Bledsoe (Jr. & 28 starts), Trent Green (5,400 yards with 23 touchdowns and 32 interceptions), Mark Brunell,...

I'm Done. It's 2 in the morning and tired. Make your own judments, I just wanted to show some info. Experience makes the difference, no doubt, but it's not hte end-all-be-all by any means. Plenty of early draft picks w/ plenty of experience who wound up busts.

(udated) My opinion: I can buy the idea of Juniors drafted high while having minimal playing experience have a VERY high bust rate (I don’t think that’s a new notion, but a very common critique). Never questioned that. But as far as Seniors having 3years of experience not being busts I don’t believe, I easily found 16 guys that prove that.

$25 Jerseys

Dustin SLO,CA — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:45:05 -0000

KC Proshop is selling ALL jersey's for $24.99 right now if anyone was interested. Even the Reebok Replithentic Throwbacks are $100 off (24.99), but they only have N. Smith and Joe Delaney. And the Replica's only have LJ, Croyle, Huard and Surtain. And hats are 7bucks but the selection sucks.

Just thought someone might be interested.

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Some Thigpen Variables

Dustin SLO,CA — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:13:49 -0000

I know it's been brought up before, but Thigpen DID come into the season just trying to make it as QB3. He had no chance at being the starting guy. Brody had this job handed to him and it was only his to lose. I feel that the we should only truly judge Thigpen's performance based on the games that he had an entire week (Plenty of time right?) to prepare as QB1 of the Kansas City Chiefs. Keep in mind that when we were asked what Thigpen needs to do to keep the job (week 8) until week 17, most of us just said, "DON'T TURN IT OVER!"

Tyler Thigpen as a Starter:

192 of 330 for 2,216 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT, 221.6 YPG (15th), COMP% 58.2 (27th) Record: 1-9 Injuries: 0

Brodie Croyle as Starter:

120 of 206 for 1,078 yards, 5 TD, 5 INT, 134.8 YPG, 58.3%, Record: 0-8 Injuries: 5?

Croyle was have been given an entire season to prove himself. I'm not saying (by any means) don't bring in some competition. But give him a chance and don't waste the #3 pick on a QB! Thigpen did a hell of a job turning Chicken Shit into...well... i guess a 99cent store chicken soup.

Peyton Manning first 10 games as Starter: (this is for you DJ :)

209 of 378 for 2,289 yards, 15 TD, 20 INT, 228.9 YPG, 55.3%, Rec: 2-8, Injuries: 0

'98 Colts Team points 1st 10 games: 166 pts

'08 Chiefs w/ Thigpen as Starter (10games): 216 pts

One thing that drives me crazy about ANY football analysts is that they ALL try to make predictions and they are never right. Yet, no one ever fesses up. They just do it again next time. Team records, player performances, Superbowl teams, playoff teams, whatever. No one can do it, but people make a lot of money trying year after year. Nobody knows what Thigpen is capable of but he has A LOT of potential. He deserves a shot, we just need a plan B (and C, and D).

Like Tony said, get us some help somewhere else.

PEPPERS WANTS OUT OF CAROLINA

Dustin SLO,CA — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:43:22 -0000

“The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month,” Peppers said in a statement e-mailed by his agent to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, and possibly others. “At this point in my NFL career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/17/peppers-wants-out-of-carolina/

Not that we would be a better situation or anything but I'd take him : )

Anyone else not able to view arrowhead addict?

Dustin SLO,CA — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:05:41 -0000

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It's been a couple months and I haven't been able to open up the AA site, or TLH or any of those. I thought it was down but I keep seeing that they have posts. Any one know what might be going on?

Everytime it just shows the Page Load Error. I even tried on IE. (I use firefox)

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Has anyone else noticed....?

Dustin SLO,CA — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:23:18 -0000

LJ is only 144 more rushing yards from a 1,000 yard season?

And everyone who has already passed that mark, has carried @ least 65 more times (which is about 3 games worth i'd guess). Besides Jacobs, w/ 36 more carries and Turner (leader), has 168 more carries...

(LJ's 25th in carries by the way) Oh shit! And he's actually #11 in yards per game!

I was just pleasantly surprised by this....

Kevin Faulk or Leon Washington????Help!

Dustin SLO,CA — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:10:13 -0000

Alright, playoff game (didn't win last week for the bye)

I can't decide if I should go w/ Faulk or Washington. I know faulk has been getting the "load" for the patriots lately so i'm leaning towards him (+ he is leading in points). They both have virtually identical matchups and are both great for PPR. Projections are even identical. But neither get a ton of touches.

I just know everyone on here is savvy, so i'm just looking for a little extra input. Last week I got some good help (even though it was the wrong decision, It was the safer choice). Lotta money on the line! ($100 buy in)

Thanks!

Dustin Keller or Leon Washington? HELP

Dustin SLO,CA — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:24:34 -0000

I got a BIG fantasy match-up this week! I don't know who I should start as a flex option. The broncos are shitty against the RB's and TE's. Should I start Dustin Keller or Leon Washington???? It's a points per reception league by the way...

I've actually been the league points leader the last 3 weeks and 5 weeks total (per week [we get 10 extra bucks each week for "pimp of the week") and lead in total points by quite a bit. But I'm playing my buddy who is the #2 scorer and in first (i'm in 2nd and would take the lead due to point total) but he's got some GREAT match-ups. All of this second paragraph was just filling in words...

Tyler Thigpen VS Manning, Brees and Brady

Dustin SLO,CA — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:39:09 -0000

I have been curious of how Tyler compares to some of the elite NFL QB's, so I looked up a few. These are just the first 3 (who I happen to think are the top 3 current NFL QB's):

Tom Brady, 2001 (2nd year):

95 rat 63/121 820yds 5TD 0INT VS Indx2 Mia, SD (first 2 games: 0 TD under 300yds combined)

Drew Brees, 2002 (2nd):

88.6 57/96 608 4 2 vs Cin, Hou, Ari, NWE

Peyton Manning, 1998 (Rookie):

78.6 96/154 1031 5 5 vs Chi, Min, Jac, Hou

Tyler Thigpen, 2008 (2nd):

83.1 80/138 838 7 3 vs ATL, NYJ, TAM, SD

I have them broken down per game also, but just showed the average over 4 for now...

I might compare more later for fun as well.