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McCovey Chronicles What if the Rays had drafted Posey?

This is a hypothetical scenario that I have been kicking around for the past year or so...

Let's go back to June of 2008, the Rays had the first pick in the draft, but they also had the best record in baseball at the time of the draft and it was beginning to look like their years of high draft picks and stockpiling prospects was about to produce a very good team (they, of course, would go on to win the AL pennant that year).  All of the pre-draft talk was that they were trying to decide between two players; a High School SS from Georgia Tim Beckham, and Buster Posey.  Tim Beckham was somewhat of a consensus top prospect among the various publications and experts (Keith Law and Baseball Prospectus ranked him #1, John Sickles #2, and Baseball America #3).  Those publications ranked Posey 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and 4th respectively.  It seemed that the Rays were leaning toward Tim Beckham all along and when Posey floated a $12 million signing bonus demand (which nobody took seriously) that might have sealed it.

When the Rays drafted Tim Beckham my reaction was that I gave them credit for sticking to the best player on their board.  With the team they had put together, I might have been inclined to take a player that was more of a "sure bet" to help right away, even if I had to sacrifice some upside to do it.  The Rays must wonder how Posey would have looked on some of their recent teams (especially last year's team that had the best record in the AL).

What if they had taken Posey?  The Pirates were said to like Pedro Alvarez better than any player in the draft, so their selection at #2 likely wouldn't have changed.  I think the same was true of the Royals and Eric Hosmer at #3 (although less certain about that one). The Orioles pick at #4 is where it gets interesting.  They might well have taken Tim Beckahm over Brian Matusz.  So that leaves the Giants

I think the Giants pick would have come down to Tim Beckham (provided the Orioles didn't take him of course), Justin Smoak, and Gordon Beckham.  I don't think they would have taken Kyle Skipworth, a High School catcher, that high (too much of a project) and I don't think they would have drafted a pitcher (I mean, I think they would have if one was clearly the best player on their board, but I don't think they would have in a draft so loaded with great position players).  I also don't think they would have taken Yonder Alonso or Jason Castro.  I think they would have preferred one of the Beckhams over Smoak, based largely on a lot of pre-draft talk about them wanting "an athlete" and "an up the middle player" (and yes I realize pre-draft talk is often hearsay, disinformation, or just plain bullshit).  Smoak was obviously the favorite of McCovey Chronicles, he wound up going 11th to the Rangers.

So what do you think would have happened, and where would that leave the Giants now?  My prediction is the Orioles would have taken Tim Beckham and the Giants would have taken Gordon Beckham.  I think the McCovey Chronicles reaction to a Gordon Beckham pick would have been similar to the reaction to the Posey, a very silly initial freakout followed by acceptance a bit later (he was the MVP of the Cape Cod and one of the best players in college baseball that year).  G. Beckham was rushed to the majors by the White Sox own admission, which I tend to believe he hasn't fully recovered from.  The Giants could have been more patient with his development and things might look different for him now, they also probably would have left him at SS where most thought he could play.  Meanwhile Justin Smoak (traded to the Mariners as the centerpiece of the Cliff Lee trade) got off to a tough start in MLB last year and wound up getting sent back to AAA, so far this year he has posted a very respectable .253/.360/.465 line and seems to be coming along quite nicely.  Tim Beckham has been developing steadily and is having his best season yet so far in AA at .291/.352/.423 as far as I know, most tend to think he can play SS in the majors.

I think the 2008 draft was good enough that any of those guys would have turned out to be good picks that we would have ultimately been happy with.  Certainly things could not have worked out any better for the Giants (and hey, if they draft a SS in the first round, they probably don't take Brandon Crawford in the 4th).  If you read this whole thing (I didn't intend it to be such a book) thanks for indulging my walk down memory lane.

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Baseball America posted their first mock draft today. No analysis, just a list (at least for non-subscribers). They have the Giants taking Robert Stephenson, a right handed pitcher from Alhambra High School, who threw back to back no hitters (and struck out 20 in the 2nd one) in March. Kolten Wong, who has become a favorite around here, goes 2 picks later to the Rays. Also interesting how far Matt Purke has fallen.

about 1 year ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 9 comments

When I saw the Angles DFAed Wood, a former top prospect, I immediately thought of this discussion on here a couple years ago in which many people, myself included, wanted to trade Jonathan Sanchez for him. One of many "let's trade for a bat!" ideas that were popular at the time. Thankfully the Giants were smarter than that.

about 1 year ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 18 comments

Giants stats vs. the Phillies big three this year

  1. Halladay: 1-0 7 IP 10 hits 5 earned runs
  2. Oswalt: 3-1 27 IP 25 hits 10 earned runs
  3. Hamels: 1-0 11 IP 16 hits 9 earned runs
  4. add it all up: 5-1 45 IP 51 hits 24 earned runs (4.80 ERA)

over 1 year ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 6 comments

I just got home from the greatest pitching performance I have ever witnessed and I thought it might be fun to mock this classic bit of knee jerk alarmist stupidity.

over 1 year ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 11 comments

score one for justice and all that is right

over 1 year ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 23 comments

Rob Dibble has made a career out of regularly saying idiotic things, but I'm not sure he has ever said anything stupider than this.

almost 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 33 comments

In all this nostalgia over the 1993 season I looked up John Patterson on wikipedia and was shocked to learn that he had a very extensive page that did not mention his huge 1993 homerun at all. So I had to create a wikipedia account and add that to his page. This is my first experience with editing on wikipedia so I am hoping somebody can help with things like referencing some of the things I wrote to the 3 links I added below.

almost 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 1 comment

all of this crap about "re-branding" the Pac-10 is really starting to piss me off, what was wrong with the Pac-10 before?

almost 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 23 comments

This is hilarious. Couldn't somebody go down to the clubhouse and nudge him and say "dude, wake up, we need you to pinch hit."

about 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 28 comments

Shocking. I was pretty sure he was going to take Pedroia's job.

about 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 41 comments

SoFaKingMike did a fanshot on this movie about a year ago, but I thought it might be relevant to bring up again since HBO (which, I presume, many of you subscribe to) started showing it yesterday. It is a fictional story of a Dominican pitcher trying to make it in America. I watched it last night and really enjoyed it, I recommend you check it out. Here is a list of several of the upcoming showings on HBO, set the DVR.

about 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 30 comments 1 recs

does this mean we no longer have to see any ridiculous discussion around here of Dallas McPherson actually having a future in the Giants organization?

over 2 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 25 comments

I just saw this on ESPN. No trade, just a waiver claim by the White Sox that allows the Blue Jays to get rid of his contract

almost 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 55 comments

Hey Kevin, you know what will make this better? whining about it

almost 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 71 comments 1 recs

McCovey Chronicles maybe the Giants just weren't that high on Alderson

I know there has been more than enough discussion on the trade, and this was mentioned already, but I thought this might be worthy of its own discussion (especially since the latest thread has gotten so cumbersome).  If not, feel free to delete it.

I think the key to the Giants thinking on this trade is found in this short quote from a Ken Rosenthal article:

One general manager, though, isn't impressed with Alderson, calling him "overrated" and saying, "They had a long list of untouchables, and he wasn't on it."

If it's true that they had a long list of untouchables that indicates to me that the Giants weren't desperate to make a trade to satisfy the fanbase and didn't have delusions of grandeur about the current team.  It seems that maybe they had a prudent approach to the trade deadline and just simply were not that high on Alderson.  Are they correct in their assessment of Alderson?  I guess time will tell.

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at least according to this source; Manny Acta (I find it kind of funny that he broke the story himself)

almost 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 4 comments

just saw this in the CBS headlines ad on the right of the screen.

pretty shocking, I was predicting many Oscars

almost 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 19 comments

This is obviously really bad news and awful timing for the kid. It will be interesting to see how far he falls in the draft (right now he's easily a top 10 pick and almost certainly top 5) and how it moves things around. It could hurt the Giants chances at getting Tyler Matzek.

almost 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 6 comments

rosterbation alert: the Nationals DFAed Daniel Cabrera today. What about picking him up and giving him a shot as a reliever? I know he has been nothing but horrendous his whole career (thus getting released by the pitching heavy Nats) and more than likely will continue to be, but the guy has a hell of a live of a live arm and for a free scrap heap pick up I think it's worth a shot.

I'll save everybody the trouble: 35 walks in 40 innings, he would fit right in

about 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 25 comments

Thursday the Grizzlies will be holding "mad tight 90s night" which will feature 90's album covers doctored to include player headshots (click the link to see Kevin Frandsen on the cover of Nirvana's Nevermind) and most "tight" of all, an appearance by Dennis Haskins, better known as Mr. Belding, who will throw out the first pitch.

about 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 9 comments

Apparently the authorities are sometimes inclined to take this kind of stuff way too seriously. This seems incredibly harmless to me.

about 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 15 comments

McCovey Chronicles another lineup shakeup

I guess today is as good a day as any for another lineup shakeup.  I haven't seen anything written on it yet, so who knows if it's a temporary thing or a big change:

Here it is according to Yahoo:

1: Lewis

2: Burriss

3: Winn

4: Molina

5: Rowand 

6: Sandoval

7: Ishikawa

8: Renteria

 

Interesting to at least see Fred Lewis and Aaron Rowand moving up in the order. 

Hey, you know what, that's still a terrible lineup.

 

 

 

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If this is true (and it's Steve Phillips reporting it, so God only knows) that ends another rosterbation debate.

about 3 years ago Ucla_tiny FluLikeSymptoms 12 comments