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Mountain West Connection It's My Alliance

The merger as it exists today is 8 CUSA - 8 MWC (7 football):

Marshall Tulane New Mexico Nevada
East Carolina Rice Colorado State UNLV
UAB Tulsa Wyoming Fresno State
Southern Miss UTEP Air Force Hawaii

We have to assume Big XII will add Louisville & BYU (or Cincy). When they do, AF will move to BEast. If the Mormons still refuse to play nice, Temple will replace Cincy in BEast.

I believe the Alliance wants 20 teams - 4 divisions of 5, 2 'conferences' of 10. 9 games against your half so everyone plays everyone. Semifinals = East #1 plays West #2 & East #2 plays West #1. Winners meet in your Alliance Championship Game.

So we need to add 5 full members with football & a non-football school to balance out Hawaii. I believe the Alliance should go after big markets to help tv contract $$$ (the only thing that can keep a conference this big together).

Philadelphia - Temple from MAC.Miami - FIU from SUN. San Antonio - UTSA from FCS/WAC. Salt Lake City - Utah State from WAC. Bay Area - SJSU from WAC. San Diego - SDSU (no-football) from Big West/MWC.

Atlantic Central Mountain Pacific
Temple Southern Miss UTEP Nevada
Marshall Tulane New Mexico UNLV
East Carolina Rice Colorado State San Jose State
UAB UTSA Wyoming Fresno State
Florida International Tulsa Utah State Hawaii & SDSU

Move SoMiss over to Central & UTEP to Mountain to keep it more regional.

The Alliance doesn't have to take the best football programs based on RPI's now that there's no automatic BCS bid at stake. Outside of middle-of-nowhere West Virginia, Mississippi & Wyoming - all these schools are in metro areas.

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Mountain West Connection WAC That Should've Happened

With the Big East sucking up MWC teams to stay relevant & schools abandoning tradition for $$$, I started thinking what could have been. Only NM, Co St, Wyoming & UNLV will be left from the original '99 MWC.

I was wondering if there's room for a BCS conference between the PAC & the Big XII but 2 things ruined the WAC/MWC. Karl Benson adding 6 teams in '96 after 2 yrs on the job & Craig Thompson not getting on ESPN. MWC was a good idea after Benson threw away tradition for San Jose St & small private school in Texas. But I don't understand why they left UTEP, Fresno St & Hawaii out. The MWC 8 + those 3 schools & TCU could have been playing a championship game since '96 when TCU & UNLV were added. Obviously TCU & Utah were offered bids into PAC & Big XII so they would have left regardless of how strong this hypothetical WAC was but Boise St & Nevada could step in as replacements in 2011..

Western Athletic Conference
Mountain West
School 1st Yr Last Yr # of Yrs New Conf School 1st Yr Last Yr # of Yrs New Conf
UTEP 1967 2004 38 CUSA Boise State 2011 2012 2 BEast
New Mexico 1962 53 Nevada 2012 3
Air Force 1980 2014 35 BEast UNLV 1996 19
Colorado State 1967 48 Fresno State 1992 1998 7 WAC
Wyoming 1962 53 San Diego State 1978 2012 35 BEast
Brigham Young 1962 2010 49 IND Hawaii 1979 1998 20 WAC

I counted the years the traditional rivals were in the same WAC/MWC conference through 2014 when Air Force leaves to join Navy in BEast.

So could this 12-team conference from 96-'10 w/ Utah & TCU earned an automatic BCS bid? Could it keep it w/ replacements Boise St & Nevada from 2011 on?

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Team Speed Kills A Fair Way to Determine the National Champion

Bumped from FanPosts -- ed.

Reorganize the out-of-control conference expansion into 7 BCS conferences based on region of the country. 10 teams each. 9-game conference schedule (everyone plays everyone). 1 out-of-conference BCS game (permanent rivals like FSU-Florida, GA Tech-UGA, Clemson-Sakerlina). 1 non-AQ game vs WAC, CUSA, etc. 1 FCS game against an in-state opponent. 12 regular season games.

No. 1 & No. 2 in each BCS conference play each other again in the Conference Championship game. 7 Champions enter an 8-team playoff with 1 at-large team. Takes 16 games to win the National Championship. 16 teams get a crack at it. 6 playoff games to be played at Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Orange, & a new bowl in the new Indianapolis Colts domed stadium. Game No. 7 the National Championship rotates between the bowl sites like it does now.

So this year, LSU goes 12-0 (9-0), Bama goes 11-1 (8-1) & they play each other again in the SEC Championship Game in Atlanta. 1 team wins & is the No. 1 seed. If Bama loses they're at-large team, maybe No. 6 seed. LSU loses & is No. 2 seed.

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Big East Coast Bias A Fair Way to Determine a National Champion

Reorganize the out-of-control conference expansion into 7 BCS conferences based on region of the country. 10 teams each. 9-game conference schedule (everyone plays everyone). 1 out-of-conference BCS game (permanent rival like FSU-Florida or rotate opponents). 1 non-AQ game vs WAC, CUSA, etc. 1 FCS game against an in-state opponent. 12 regular season games.

#1 & #2 in each BCS conference play each other again in the Conference Championship game. 7 Champions enter an 8-team playoff with 1 at-large team. Takes 16 games to win the National Championship. 16 teams get a crack at it. 6 playoff games to be played at Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Orange, & a new bowl in the new Indianapolis Colts domed stadium. Game #7 the National Championship rotates between the bowl sites like it does now.

Big East Atlantic Coast Southeastern Southwest
Boston College Maryland Florida Louisiana State
Syracuse Virginia Georgia Memphis
Connecticut Virginia Tech South Carolina Arkansas
Rutgers North Carolina Wake Forest Oklahoma
Penn State North Carolina State Tennessee Oklahoma State
Pittsburgh Duke Vanderbilt Texas
West Virginia Clemson Alabama Texas A&M
Cincinnati Georgia Tech Auburn Texas Tech
Kentucky Florida State Mississippi Texas Christian
Louisville Miami Mississippi State Baylor
  • Finally a real eastern conference w/ Penn St as the anchor
  • ACC classic w/ instate rivals Va Tech & Miami added in
  • SEC loses the geographic outliers Arkansas, LSU, Kentucky & picks up NC w/ Wake
  • Old SWC & Big 12 South

Big Ten Great Midwest Pacific Ind.
Ohio State Kansas California Army
Michigan Kansas State Stanford Navy
Michigan State Missouri UCLA Air Force
Notre Dame Iowa USC
Indiana Iowa State Arizona
Purdue Nebraska Arizona State
Illinois Colorado Oregon
Northwestern Utah Oregon State
Wisconsin Brigham Young Washington
Minnesota Boise State Washington State

  • B1G classic w/ an Iowa for ND trade
  • a new conference is born, the GMC stretches from Illinois to Oregon
  • PAC-10 classic
  • military schools are Ind by themselves
  • conferences designed to promote what makes college football fun - rivalry games

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Mountain West Connection US Senate's Take on Conference Realignment

7 BCS conferences. 10 teams. 8 team-playoff. 7 BCS conference champions & 1 at-large. 9-game conference schedule. 1 out-of-conference BCS game. 1 non-AQ game. 1 FCS game. 12 regular season games. Up to 15 games to win the National Championship.Conferences based on geography. Teams promoted into BCS are in italics.

Big East Atlantic Coast Southeastern Southwest
Boston College Maryland Florida Louisiana State
Syracuse Virginia Georgia Memphis
Connecticut Virginia Tech South Carolina Arkansas
Rutgers North Carolina Wake Forest Oklahoma
Penn State North Carolina State Tennessee Oklahoma State
Pittsburgh Duke Vanderbilt Texas
West Virginia Clemson Alabama Texas A&M
Cincinnati Georgia Tech Auburn Texas Tech
Kentucky Florida State Mississippi Texas Christian
Louisville Miami Mississippi State Baylor
  • Penn St gets their East Coast Conference from the late 80's put together
  • Classic ACC + Miami & Va Tech
  • SEC expands into that desirable Winston-Salem tv market
  • Big 12 South picks up LSU, Arkansas, TCU & Memphis

Big Ten Great Midwest Pacific Ind.
Ohio State Kansas California Army
Michigan Kansas State Stanford Navy
Michigan State Missouri UCLA Air Force
Notre Dame Iowa USC
Indiana Iowa State Arizona
Purdue Nebraska Arizona State
Illinois Colorado Oregon
Northwestern Utah Oregon State
Wisconsin Brigham Young Washington
Minnesota Boise State Washington State

  • close to the original B1G w/ a Iowa for ND trade
  • a new conference is born, the GMC stretches from Illinois to Oregon
  • classic PAC-10
  • military schools are Ind by themselves & play mostly BCS schools

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Shakin The Southland PLAYOFFS!?!?!?

copy the NFL conference way, top 6 are in, top 2 get byes, reward the 5 BCS conf champs (sorry Big East) & give it to 1 wildcard/at-large team. rotate the games through the 4 BCS games & promote the Cotton. try to make the game site more convenient for the higher seeded team.

PLAYOFFS! Sat. Dec. 17th @ 4 & 8

#3 Oklahoma State (11-1, Big 12 Champ) vs. #6 Clemson (10-3, ACC Champ) @ Cotton Bowl

#4 Oregon (11-2, PAC Champ) vs #4 Wisconsin (11-2, B1G Champ) @ Rose Bowl

SEMIFINALS! Mon. Dec 2nd (New Year's Day) @ 4 & 8

#1 LSU (13-0, SEC Champ) vs Oregon/Wisconsin winner @ Sugar Bowl

#2 Alabama (11-1, at-large) vs OSU/Clemson winner @ Orange Bowl

CHAMPIONSHIP! Mon. Dec 9th @ 8

#1 vs #2 @ Fiesta Bowl

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Shakin The Southland Realignment, I would rather watch this

Not gonna happen... Start from scratch. Divide the country into 5 regions: Atlantic, South, Midwest, Southwest & Pacific. Use geography. Put the best 14 schools in each conference. 2-7 team divisions. 9 conference games. Conferences can decide if they need cross-division rivalries or all the Cal schools need to play each other or not. Out of conference, game 10 is against another BCS conference, 11 is FBC, 12 is FCS.

ACC
North South
Boston College Maryland
Syracuse Virginia
Connecticut Virginia Tech
Rutgers North Carolina
Penn State North Carolina State
Pittsburgh Duke
West Virginia Wake Forest

 

9 states in the East along the Atlantic anchored by 4 NC schools & Buffalo, Boston, NYC, Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore, Charlotte markets. 10 acc schools, 3 big east, 1 big ten.

 

SEC
East West
South Carolina Tennessee
Clemson Vanderbilt
Georgia Alabama
Georgia Tech Auburn
Florida Mississippi
Florida State Mississippi State
Miami South Florida

 

6 states in the South anchored by 4 FL schools & Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Nashville markets. 9 sec schools, 4 acc, 1 big east.

 

Big 14
South North
Texas Oklahoma
Texas A&M Oklahoma State
Texas Christian Kansas
Texas Tech Kansas State
Baylor Missouri
Arkansas Nebraska
Louisiana State Colorado

 

8 states in the southwest anchored by 5 TX schools & New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, St. Louis, Denver markets. Comprised of 6 SWC teams in South & 7/8 Big 8 teams. 10 big 12 schools, 3 sec, 1 pac-12.

 

Big Ten
South North
Ohio State Michigan
Cincinnati Michigan State
Kentucky Northwestern
Louisville Wisconsin
Indiana Minnesota
Purdue Iowa
Illinois Iowa State

 

8 states in the midwest anchored by Mi-Oh & Cleveland, Cincinnati, Louisville, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis markets. 11 big ten schools, 2 big east, 1 sec.

 

Pac-14
North South
California UCLA
Stanford USC
Oregon Arizona
Oregon State Arizona State
Washington Utah
Washington State BYU
Boise State UNLV

 

7 states closest to the Pacific anchored by 4 CA schools & Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego, LA, Bay Area markets. 11 pac-12 schools, 2 mwc, 1 ind.  Boise St & UNLV fill in the ID & NV footprint & are only 2 non-FBS teams to be promoted. Central Florida, Houston, ECU are the next 3 that missed out on the BCS party.

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Mountain West Connection Realignment, I would rather watch this

Start from scratch. Divide the country into 5 regions: Atlantic, South, Midwest, Southwest & Pacific. Use geography. Put the best 14 schools in each conference. 2-7 team divisions. 9 conference games. Conferences can decide if they need cross-division rivalries or all the Cal schools need to play each other or not. Out of conference, game 10 is against another BCS conference, 11 is FBC, 12 is FCS.

ACC
North South
Boston College Maryland
Syracuse Virginia
Connecticut Virginia Tech
Rutgers North Carolina
Penn State North Carolina State
Pittsburgh Duke
West Virginia Wake Forest

 

9 states in the East along the Atlantic anchored by 4 NC schools & Buffalo, Boston, NYC, Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore, Charlotte markets. 10 acc schools, 3 big east, 1 big ten.

 

SEC
East West
South Carolina Tennessee
Clemson Vanderbilt
Georgia Alabama
Georgia Tech Auburn
Florida Mississippi
Florida State Mississippi State
Miami South Florida

 

6 states in the South anchored by 4 FL schools & Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Nashville markets. 9 sec schools, 4 acc, 1 big east.

 

Big 14
South North
Texas Oklahoma
Texas A&M Oklahoma State
Texas Christian Kansas
Texas Tech Kansas State
Baylor Missouri
Arkansas Nebraska
Louisiana State Colorado

 

8 states in the southwest anchored by 5 TX schools & New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, St. Louis, Denver markets. Comprised of 6 SWC teams in South & 7/8 Big 8 teams. 10 big 12 schools, 3 sec, 1 pac-12.

 

Big Ten
South North
Ohio State Michigan
Cincinnati Michigan State
Kentucky Northwestern
Louisville Wisconsin
Indiana Minnesota
Purdue Iowa
Illinois Iowa State

 

8 states in the midwest anchored by Mi-Oh & Cleveland, Cincinnati, Louisville, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis markets. 11 big ten schools, 2 big east, 1 sec.

 

Pac-14
North South
California UCLA
Stanford USC
Oregon Arizona
Oregon State Arizona State
Washington Utah
Washington State BYU
Boise State UNLV

 

7 states closest to the Pacific anchored by 4 CA schools & Salt Lake City, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego, LA, Bay Area markets. 11 pac-12 schools, 2 mwc, 1 ind.  Boise St & UNLV fill in the ID & NV footprint & are only 2 non-FBS teams to be promoted. Central Florida, Houston, ECU are the next 3 that missed out on the BCS party.

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Mountain West Connection Big East football is dead, long live Big East basketball



Updated as of 10:52 est Thursday, September 29, 2011.

 

 

Last year the Pac-10 realized it needed a championship game so it promoted Utah & stole Colorado from the Big XII.  Big Ten also stole Nebraska.

Pac-12
California UCLA
Stanford USC
Oregon Arizona
Oregon State Arizona State
Washington Utah
Washington State Colorado

 

The ACC afraid the SEC would poach its' members for Team 14 fills in the holes between Maryland & Boston College by again raiding the Big East - for Pittsburgh & Syracuse. Then raises the buyout to $20 million.

 

ACC
Florida State Miami
Clemson Georgia Tech
North Carolina State North Carolina
Maryland Virginia
Boston College Virginia Tech
Syracuse Pittsburgh
Wake Forest Duke

SEC wanted to be as selective for Team 14 as they were with Texas A&M so they rejected West Virginia & were rejected by Missouri. While they waited Texas & Oklahoma decided to rebuild their conference by raiding the Big East for Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia & TCU. Plus they already knew their Team 14 - BYU (gets to keep BYU-tv 3rd tier rights like Long Horn Network).

 

Big 14
Texas Oklahoma
Texas Tech Oklahoma State
Baylor Kansas
Texas Christian Kansas State
Louisville Missouri
Cincinnati Iowa State
West Virginia Brigham Young

Big Ten penetrate the New York City market with BTN by adding Rutgers & Connecticut. The ACC passes on UConn in case Notre Dame & Penn State had wanted to join.

 

Big Ten
Ohio State Michigan
Penn State Nebraska
Purdue Iowa
Wisconsin Minnesota
Indiana Michigan State
Illinois Northwestern
Connecticut Rutgers

SEC still needs a Team 14 & the only BCS team left & only Big East team left is South Florida.  Realizing Tampa is a large enough tv market & Florida is a huge place, the rest of the SEC adds a 2nd there despite Florida's 'Gentleman's Agreement' to keep a monopoly.

 

SEC
Florida Louisiana State
South Carolina Arkansas
Georgia Auburn
Tennessee Alabama
Vanderbilt Mississippi
Kentucky Mississippi State
South Florida Texas A&M

 

With the Big East dead there is a 6th automatic bid available, the Mountain West & C-USA merge to get it for football-only. The MWC needs 2 more teams - Utah State to get back to Salt Lake City. LA Tech gets promoted from WAC & maybe trades places with UTEP.

Play a 5 game schedule against their division, 2 out-of-division, 1 each against each division from other conference. Division winners play in a conference semi-final then a championship game for the BCS bid.

 

Conference USA Mountain West
Central Florida Louisiana Tech UTEP Boise State
East Carolina Tulane New Mexico Nevada
Marshall Houston Air Force UNLV
UAB Rice Colorado State Fresno State
Southern Miss Southern Methodist Wyoming San Diego State
Memphis Tulsa Utah State Hawaii

 

With Big East football dead, everyone finally gets what they want.  The football schools got to play real football & the Catholics get to have a super 16 basketball league.  The 8 leftover Catholic basketball schools join with the 8 Catholic Atlantic 10 schools.

 

Big East
Georgetown Dayton
Providence Duquesne 
St. John's Fordham
Seton Hall La Salle
Villanova St. Bonaventure 
Notre Dame Saint Joseph's
DePaul St. Louis
Marquette Xavier

All the major markets are covered with 3 teams in New York CIty, 3 in Philadelphia, Providence, Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Dayton, Cincinnati, South Bend, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis.

Finally you have the Sun Belt adopt 3 WAC teams - Texas State, UTSA & New Mexico State. They need a Team 14 - Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens are 1 of the best FCS teams.

 

Sun Belt
Florida Atlantic LA-Lafayette
Florida International LA-Monroe
Delaware Arkansas State
South Alabama North Texas
Troy Texas State
Middle Tennessee UTSA
Western Kentucky New Mexico State

And the MAC adds UMass & Temple as full members now that the Atlantic-10 has lost 8 teams.

 

MAC
Massachusetts Toledo
Temple Bowling Green
Buffalo Eastern Michigan
Kent State Central Michigan
Akron Western Michigan
Ohio Ball State
Miami Northern Illinois

The End?

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Mountain West Connection Pac-16, SEC-14, Big East-12, MWC-12

Bumped to the front page, because who doesn't like checking out what future conferences may look like.

With the rumors of Texas A&M to SEC, Oklahoma looks around at a depleted Big 12 & wants to call the shots instead of Texas so they lead Oklahoma State, Texas Tech & Texas to the new Pac-16.

Pac-16
Central West
Texas California
Texas Tech Stanford
Oklahoma UCLA
Oklahoma State USC
Colorado Oregon
Utah Oregon State
Arizona Washington
Arizona State Washington State

 

Texas A&M & SEC quit flirting & make it official. Texas government insists Baylor is named Team 14. Auburn moves to East division to make room for them. They keep the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry & the Iron Bowl as annual games but Alabama-Tennessee won't be able to play every year. Vanderbilt & Baylor become a new inter-division rivalry of the 2 private schools.  Tennessee gets Texas A&M to replace Alabama on the schedule. Georgia gets Ole Miss since they got to keep their rivalry with Auburn.

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Mountain West Connection BCS Playoffs

I formed up 5 16-team BCS conferences to participate in the BCS Playoffs. 80 teams arranged in new 4 team divisions based on location & hopefully preserved historic rivalries. The other 46 teams are placed in 3 non-BCS conferences or Independent. They could hope to get an at-large spot with a perfect record.

11 regular season games:

  • 1 out of conference game vs non-BCS
  • 1 out of conference game vs BCS
  • 3 annual conference games vs division (column A,B,C,D)
  • 3 annual conference games vs out of division rivals (row 1,2,3,4)
  • 3 conference games in rotation - if team is A1 - (B2,C3,D4 yr 1), (C2,D3,B4 yr 2), (D2,B3,C4 yr 3)
  • Game 12 - Conference Semifinals (A winner vs B, C winner vs D) @ best record's home stadium
  • Game 13 - Conference Championship in neutral NFL stadium
  • Game 14 - BCS Quarterfinals Elite Eight (5 Conference Champions & 3 at-large, could be 13-0 non-BCS team, seeded 1-8)
  • Game 15 - BCS Semifinals Final Four (1/8 vs 4/5, 2/7 vs 3/6)
  • Game 16 - BCS Championship
  1. The Quarterfinals & Semifinals will rotate between the 6 BCS bowls - Rose, Fiesta, Cotton (new), Sugar, Citrus (new/Capital One), Orange - so each hosts the Semi's 2x every 6 years. The Championship will be bidded for like the Super Bowl.
  • Bowl Game, Game 12-14 - teams with minimum 6-5 records from regular season & not in the BCS Playoffs can accept bids to bowl games.

 

2 examples of how scheduling will work:

Clemson would play it's division (in column C) - Georgia, South Carolina & Georgia Tech every year plus it's out of division rivals (in row 2) - Florida State, Auburn & Louisville for 6 annual conference games. Final 3 conference games will rotate: D1 Tennessee, A3 South Florida, B4 Mississippi State in year 1 & 4; A1 Florida, B3 Mississippi, D4 Cincinnati in year 2 & 5;  B1 Alabama, D3 Kentucky, A4 Central Florida in year 3 & 6.

Boise State - Utah, Colorado, BYU division. UNLV, Stanford, Washington State out of division rivals.  Rotate B1 Arizona, C2 UCLA, D3 Washington year 1; C1 USC, D2 Oregon State, B3 San Diego State year 2; D1 Oregon, B2 Arizona State, C3 California year 3.

Mock Championship season schedule for Utah:

1 Utah State W non-BCS
2 @ New Mexico W non-conference BCS
3 Washington State W D4
4 @ USC W row 1 rival
5 Boise State W column A division
6 @ California W C3
7 Oregon W row 1 rival
8 @ Colorado W column A division
9 Arizona State W B2
10 @ Arizona W row 1 rival
11 BYU W column A division
12 Arizona State W B group winner at home
13 Stanford W C/D group winner in San Diego
14 Rose Bowl W BCS Elite 8
15 Fiesta Bowl W BCS Final 4
16 NFL Rams Dome W BCS Championship
Poll
Would you like to see this in real life?
Hell Yes
7 votes
No Way
6 votes
Unsure
6 votes

19 votes | Poll has closed

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Mountain West Connection Big 12 Expansion Candidates

I think the Big 12 has 4 options if they choose to expand:

BYU & Boise State

A North division of BYU, Boise State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri & Iowa State would be too weak compared to the Texas/Oklahoma division.  They'd have to create an East/West alignment or pair the schools together & zipper down the middle.

Cincinnati & Louisville

Same situation as BYU/Boise State but on the Eastern half of the US. Much less travel than the other options.

San Diego State & UNLV

Would be added to the south with the Texas schools - allowing the Oklahoma schools to rejoin their former Big 8 rivals in the North, Could add some exposure playing in large destination cities.

Memphis & New Mexico

Would be added to the south with the Texas schools - allowing the Oklahoma schools to rejoin their former Big 8 rivals in the North. Much less travel than the other options.

TCU & Houston

The conference is adament about not adding any more teams to saturate the Texas market.  As much as TCU & Houston would love to rejoin their former SWC rivals in an all-Texas division - it's not an option.

Poll
Who do you think the Big 12 should add?
BYU & Boise State
89 votes
UNLV & San Diego State
116 votes
Cincinnati & Louisville
7 votes
Memphis & New Mexico
24 votes
Texas Christian & Houston
28 votes

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Mountain West Connection Conferences Reimagined

Hypothetical conference setup based on location of schools & distinguishes between public/private schools:


Pac-10 is joined by Hawaii & UNLV.

WAC/MWC keeps Utah & BYU. Adds Colorado, Texas Tech & UTEP.

8 Big 12 schools keep Nebraska.  Add former Southwest Conference members Houston & Arkansas.  Add LSU.

A new conference is formed for private schools.  4 Texas privates are joined by Oklahoma & Air Force in the West.  Tulane, Vandy, Duke & Wake are joined by outliers Miami & Villanova in the East.

Original Big Ten's dream comes true with Notre Dame. Also Cincinnati.

MAC trades Buffalo for Marshall & places them in the non-Ohio division.

SEC fills out it's footprint with cities Memphis, Louisville & Orlando (UCF).

Sun Belt creates divisions - FCS USA to East, Texas St, UTSA to West with LA Tech.

ACC focuses on the south to replace it's 4 privates - Navy, ECU, South Florida & UAB.

The 5 Big East schools finally have a real conference with BC & Temple coming back & the additions of Army, Buffalo, Penn St, Maryland & FCS Delaware.

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Mountain West Connection Another expansion post - good ideas within?


The SEC was the 1st in 1992 - adding Arkansas & South Carolina to reach 12 teams, create East & West divisions & play a conference championship game in Atlanta.

In 2005, the ACC raided the Big East of Miami, Virginia Tech & Boston College to reach 12. The championship was in Jacksonville for 3 years, Tampa the past 2 years & Charlotte this year & next.

2010 was a big year because the Big Ten added Nebraska to reach 12 & the Pac-10 added Utah & Colorado to become the Pac-12. The Big Ten will play the championship game in Indianapolis & the Pac-10 decided to play it on the best team's home field.

The Big East has officially announced they'll expand to 10 teams.  The most likely additions are promoting Villanova from FCS & adding Central Florida from C-USA.  I don't see the point in topping there. Put Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Pitt, West VA & Nova in the North division.  Louisville, Cincinnati, USF & UCF need 2 more teams for the South division:

  1. Delaware - the flagship school of a small state in footprint. The Blue Hens are 1 of the most successful FCS teams is a rival of Villanova.  they announced expansion of the stadum from 22k to 30k.
  2. East Carolina - expanding stadium to 50k. is a college town with a passionate fan base. 
  3. To facilitate this - the football schools must band together to kick the 7 Catholic schools out. They can join with the 8 Atlantic-10 Catholic schools to create a new 16 team basketball conference.

The other BCS team without 12 schools is the Big XII.The midwest is slim pickings with all the good schools taken by the Big Ten.  To expand they must look west:

  1. Brigham Young - adds the Salt Lake City market. BYU is a BCS level school & needs someone to show them love.
  2. Colorado State - adds the Denver market & nice symmetry with the Pac-12 having Utah & Colorado. They can't be any worse than Iowa State so who's to say they don't deserve it.
  3. Split the divisions up East/West. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State & Texas Tech join BYU & Colorado State out west.  Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State are in the east. Protect rivalries with TX-OK, A&M-OK St, Baylor-TX Tech, KS-KS St, Missouri-BYU & CO St-Iowa St.

The Mountain West gets the 3rd turn to replace Colorado St & has a 12th spot.

  1. UTEP over Houston.
  2. Utah State to fill a hole in the footprint. They try hard & mean well - I'm sure they can grow into it.
  3. Gonzaga as the basketball & non-revenue sports replacement for Hawaii. 
  4. TCU-UTEP-NM-AF-UT St-WY in the Mountain & Boise St-NV-UNLV-Fresno St-San Diego St-Hawaii/Gonzaga in the West.

Then Conference USA needs to replace UCF, UTEP & ECU.

  1. Temple - needs a conference home.  too good for the mac. not good enough for the big east. stuck in no man's land - close enough to Marshall &...
  2. James Madison - a promotion for the FCS team that beat Virginia Tech this season.  They compete with Deleware & are also upgrading their stadium. After WV, UVA, VA Tech & Maryland - James Madison is the 5th best team in the area.
  3. Out West add Louisiana Tech.

Sun Belt makes a power play to jump over the WAC by stealing UTSA & Texas State for their West division. South Alabama joins the East for football to give them 12 teams.  I like the West with 3 TX, 2 LA & 1 AR school. Great footprint around the Gulf Coast.

Poor WAC only has 3 teams left. They need some major work by merging with the best conference at FCS - the Big Sky.

NORTH - Eastern Washington, Portland State, Idaho, Montana, Montana State, Weber State

SOUTH - San Jose State, Sacramento State, UC Davis, Cal Poly SLO, North Arizona, New Mexico State

Basketball  non-revenue could be a 16 team conference with Seattle & Portland in the North & Oakland & Denver in the South.

The MAC continues to be the MAC with 6 Ohio teams & 3 Michigan & no one caring.

FBS expands to 135 teams in 11 conferences + Notre Dame, Navy & Army.

BCS expands to 73.

"mid-major's" expands to 62.

Currently there are 35 bowl games for 70 teams.

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Mountain West Connection Blueprint for MWC Auto BCS Bid

Okay so create a 16 team super conference by telling Utah & BYU it's cool - you don't have to leave. Then you want to keep TCU happy by giving them regional rivalries & travel partners in UTEP, cross-town SMU & Houston.  Continue as planned with the 4 WAC additions.  Okay now you have 16 teams. Alright let's set them up in 4 Quadrants based on geography.

Stop me if you've heard this 1 before.  I kind of sound 14 years too late on this.

 

Pacific Division:

Hawaii (79-12 for MWC) for football & Gonzaga for non-revenue sports

Fresno St (92-12 for MWC)

San Diego St (78-99 for MWC)

UNLV (96-99 for MWC)

North Division:

Nevada (00-12 for MWC)

Boise St (01-11 for MWC)

Utah (62-99 for MWC)

BYU (62-99 for MWC)

Mountain Division:

Wyoming (62-99 for MWC)

Air Force (62-99 for MWC)

Colorado St (67-99 for MWC)

New Mexico (62-99 for MWC)

Texas Division:

UTEP (67-05 for CUSA)

TCU (96-01 for CUSA then MWC)

SMU (96-05 for CUSA)

Houston (never got to play in WAC)

 

San Jose St, Tulsa & Rice are left out.  Big Sky upstarts Idaho, Utah St, & New Mexico St never get a crack at FBS. LA Tech stays home. We can rename it the Western Athletic Conference if we want (but the acronym WAC is leads to easy jokes).

 

Only thing is we need to fix the awful television deal so we can make some ca&h!

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Mountain West Connection Boise State's Domination of the Decade

Boise State's head-to-head record the past 10 years against all of their opponents since joining the WAC in 2001:

Hawaii Warriors  (01-10, 12+) Nevada Wolfpack (01-10, 12+) Fresno State Bulldogs (01-10, 12+) Idaho Vandals (05-10)
2010 3 v W 42 7   2010 3@19 W       2010 3 v W 51 0   2010 4 @ W 52 14  
2009 5 @ W 54 9 6-7 2009 6 v W 44 33 8-5 2009 10 @ W 51 34 8-5 2009 6 v W 63 25 8-5
2008 16 v W 27 7 7-7 2008 9 @ W 41 34 7-6 2008 9 v W 61 10 7-6 2008 9 @ W 45 10 2-10
2007 17@13 L 27 39 12-1 2007 v W 69 67 6-7 2007 @ W 34 21 9-4 2007 15 v W 58 14 1-11
2006 25 v W 41 34 11-3 2006 12 @ W 38 7 8-5 2006 14 v W 45 21 4-8 2006 17 @ W 42 26 4-8
2005 @ W 44 41 5-7 2005 v W 49 14 9-3 2005 @ 20 L 7 27 8-5 2005 v W 70 35 2-9
2004 15 v W 69 3 8-5 2004 10 @ W 58 21 5-7 2004 16 v W 33 16 9-3 2004* v W 65 7 3-9
2003 17 @ W 45 28 9-5 2003 18 v W 56 3 6-6 2003 20 @ W 31 17 9-5 2003* @ W 24 10 3-9
2002 v W 58 31 10-4 2002 21 @ W 44 7 5-7 2002 v W 67 21 9-5 2002* v W 38 21 2-10
2001 @ W 28 21 9-3 2001 v W 49 7 3-8 2001 @ 8 W 35 30 11-3 2001* @ W 45 13 1-10
    9-1 44 22       10-0 50 21       9-1 42 20       10-0 50 18  
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs (01-10) San Jose State Spartans (01-10) Utah State Aggies (05-10) New Mexico State Aggies (05-10)
2010 2 v W 49 20   2010 3 @ W 48 0   2010 v W       2010 3 @ W 59 0  
2009 5 @ W 45 35 4-8 2009 5 v W 45 7 2-10 2009 6 @ W 52 21 4-8 2009 6 v W 42 7 3-10
2008 18 v W 38 3 8-5 2008 13 @ W 33 16 6-6 2008 10 v W 49 14 3-9 2008 11 @ W 49 0 3-9
2007 @ W 45 31 5-7 2007 22 v W 42 7 5-7 2007 19 @ W 52 0 2-10 2007 v W 58 0 4-9
2006 21 v W 55 14 3-10 2006 13 @ W 23 20 9-4 2006 13 v W 49 10 1-11 2006 19 @ W 40 28 4-8
2005 @ W 30 13 7-4 2005 v W 38 21 3-8 2005 @ W 45 21 3-8 2005 v W 56 6 0-12
2004 12 v W 55 14 6-6 2004 13 @ W 56 49 2-9 2002* v W 63 38 4-7     6-0 51 7  
2003 @ W 43 37 5-7 2003 v W 77 14 3-8     7-0 52 17   Bowling Green Falcons (MAC)
2002 23 v W 36 10 4-8 2002 @ W 45 8 6-7 Southern Miss Golden Eagles (CUSA) 2009* 8 @ W 49 14 7-6
2001 @ L 42 48 7-5 2001 v W 56 6 3-9 2008* 16 @ W 24 7 7-6 2008* v W 20 7 6-6
    9-1 44 23       10-0 46 15   2007* v W 38 16 7-6 2005* v W 48 20 6-5
    2-0 31 12       3-0 34 14  
Southern Methodist Mustangs (01-05) Rice Owls (01-05) Brigham Young Cougars (MWC) Oregon Ducks (Pac-10)
2004 21 v W 38 20 3-8 2002 v W 49 7 4-7 2004* 21 v W 28 27 5-6 2009* 16v14 W 19 8 10-3
2003 @ W 45 3 0-12 2001 @ L 14 45 8-4 2003* @ W 50 12 4-8 2008* @ 12 W 37 32 10-3
    2-0 42 12       2-0 32 26       2-0 39 20       2-0 28 20  
Tulsa Golden Hurricane (01-05) Texas El Paso Miners (01-05) Wyoming Cowboys (MWC, 11+) Oregon State Beavers (Pac-10)
2009* 6 @ W 28 21 5-7 2004 23 @ W 47 31 8-4 2010* 3 @ W 51 6   2010* 3 v W 37 24  
2004 18 @ W 45 42 4-8 2003 23 v W 50 21 2-11 2007* v W 24 14 5-7 2006* v W 42 14 10-4
2003 v W 27 20 8-5 2002 @ W 58 3 2-10 2006* @ W 17 10 6-6 2005* @ L 27 30 5-6
2002 @ W 52 24 1-11 2001 v W 42 17 2-9 2003* v W 33 17 4-8 2004* v W 53 34 7-5
2001 v W 41 10 1-10     4-0 49 18   2002* @ W 35 13 2-10 2003* @ L 24 26 8-5
    5-0 39 23       5-0 31 12       3-2 37 26  
2010 5 vs 6 W 33 30 Virginia Tech   ACC Washington 2010 4 vs W 57 14 Toledo   MAC Boise
2009 11 v W 48 0 Miami (OH) 1-11
2007 20 @ L 10 24 Washington 4-9 Pac-10 Seattle 2001 vs W 26 10 Central Michigan 3-8
2001 vs L 20 41 Washington St 10-2 Boise  
2009 5 v W 34 16 UC Davis 6-5 FCS Boise
2006 22 @ W 36 3 Utah 8-5 MWC Salt Lake City 2008 vs W 49 7 Idaho St 1-11 Big Sky Conf
2007 23 v W 56 7 Weber St 5-6
2005 19@13 L 13 48 Georgia 10-3 SEC Athens 2006 vs W 45 0 Sacramento St 4-7
2002 @ L 14 41 Arkansas 9-5 Fayetteville 2005 vs W 21 14 Portland St 6-5
2001 @ 21 L 13 32 South Carolina 9-3 Columbia 2003 vs W 62 0 Idaho St 9-4
Year Rank Record Finish Bowl Matchup Result $ Att Coach
2010 3 13-0 8-0 1 BCS Rose #3 vs #   W     18.00 94.0 Chris Peterson   62-4 (94%)     39-1 (98%) 37 game winning streak
2009 4 14-0 8-0 1 BCS Fiesta #6 vs #3  Texas Christian W 17 10 18.00 73.2 only 2x coach of year (06)
2008 11 12-1 8-0 1 Poinsettia #9 vs #11 Texas Christian L 16 17 0.50 34.6
2007 - 10-3 7-1 2 Hawaii #22 vs nr East Carolina L 38 41 0.75 30.5
2006 5 13-0 8-0 1 BCS Fiesta #8 vs #10 Oklahoma W 43 42 15.00 73.7 only undefeated team
2005 - 9-4 7-1 1 Humanitarian nr vs #19 Boston College L 21 27 0.75 33.5 Dan Hawkins   53-11 (83%) 37-3 (93%)
2004 12 11-1 8-0 1 Liberty #10 vs #8 Louisville L 40 44 0.75 58.4 1st time ranked in top 10
2003 16 13-1 8-0 1 Armed Forces #17 vs #19 Texas Christian W 34 31 0.75 44.0
2002 15 12-1 8-0 1 Humanitarian #15 vs nr Iowa State W 34 16 0.75 30.5 1st time ranked in top 25
2001 - 8-4 6-2 2 - - - - - - 1st season in WAC
  89% 115-15 76-4 95%       Winningest Team of the Decade 5-4 30 29 6.14 52.5    
2011 vs Georgia SEC Atlanta 2011 @ Toledo MAC
2014 vs Ole Miss 2012 vs Miami (OH)
2011 vs Tulsa CUSA
2012 @ Michigan State Big Ten $1.2 2012 vs Brigham Young Cougars Ind
2013 @
2016 vs Washington State Cougars Pac-10 2014 vs
2017 @ 2015 @
2011 Home 3 Nevada*, Air Force, New Mexico, San Diego St, Wyoming 2012 Home 4 Fresno St, Colorado St, TCU, UNLV, Hawaii
Away 4 Fresno St*, Colorado St, TCU, UNLV Away 4 Nevada, Air Force, New Mexico, San Diego St, Wyoming

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Mountain West Connection Expansion: How it Will Happen

Pac 12 added Colorado & Utah & Big Ten added Nebraska to join ACC, SEC, MAC & C-USA with 12 teams. The Big XII said they'll operate with 10 teams and round robin football Pac-10 style. The Big East is feeling left out with 8 teams.

Villanova will follow UConn & jump from a championship caliber 1-AA program to be the 9th team & allow the Big East to have a real 8 game conference schedule for the 1st time since Boston College left in 2005. Now it sounds like they won't stop there.

When conferences expand they want to add a great football program (i.e. ACC - Miami, Big Ten - Penn State & Nebraska, Mtn West - Boise State) not just filler schools.  There is 1 such program left out there for the Big East to get & that's Texas Christian in the Dallas-Fort Worth market.  TCU has been jumping conferences since the SWC got shut down for cheating - WAC, C-USA, Mtn West while they look for a permanent home.  TCU jumps at the chance to join a BCS conference but travel only makes sense if...

Houston joins the Big East to give TCU a rival & travel partner.  Houston has been fighting for inclusion to the BCS party since the SWC was shut down too.  They've been in the C-USA since 1995 with the rest of the SWC leftovers - SMU & Rice. But Houston is a big commuter school just like...

The largest student body in the nation Central Florida joins to give the Big East a 2nd team in Florida. They're a natural rival for South Florida being in Orlando & Tampa & were in the C-USA together before South Florida was chosen to replace Miami in 2005.

Now the Big East has 12 teams & creates divisions.  A traditional Big East called North division of Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia & newbie Villanova in 2013-14.  Then an ex-C-USA division called South division of TCU, Houston, South Florida, Central Florida, Louisville & Cincinnati.

What the newest 12 team conference lacks in tight geography it makes up for in large TV markets & ease of access. Rename it the Metro Conference if you want - there used to be a conference with that name.  UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse = NY/NJ/CT NYC market.  Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Dallas, Houston, Tampa, Orlando, Cincinnati & Louisville with a championship game in the new 1.8 billion Jets/Giants stadium in NYC.  That should get some ESPN tv money.

C-USA down 2 schools adds a revitalized Temple program after its MAC short term deal is over - giving them a permanent home.  Temple continues its season kick-off Battle for the Liberty Bell rivalry with cross town Villanova. They add Louisiana Tech as the 12th team and place them in the West division with Tulane.

Losing LA Tech leaves the WAC with 5 teams & kills their chances of continuing to exist.  Hawaii leaves the 4 other schools to become an Independent with help from BYU & the Pac-12.

Back to the Mountain West - Air Force decides to join Navy & Army as Independent because of the conference's instability.  With only 5 original MWC teams left, there's nothing the MWC can offer Air Force can't do on it's own as a federally funded military school. 

MWC sits at 5 original 1998 members - Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV & San Diego State & 3 new WAC members Boise State, Fresno State & Nevada for 8 teams total. The only thing to do is add the 4 remaining WAC teams Utah State,  San Jose State, New Mexico State & Idaho to become the 9th 12 team conference.

New Mexico State joins the 5 original MWC members in a Mountain (kind of south & east) Division. The other 3 WAC teams join the other 3 WAC teams in a West (north & west) Division.

Now this isn't the shit that Boise State signed up for to advance it's football program.  Now Utah, BYU, TCU or Air Force. They would obviously want to join the Big XII with BYU as their 11th & 12th teams but that could take Boise another decade.  10 years in Big West, 10 in WAC, 10 in MWC & if they're still winning 12-14 games every year, the Big XII would have to take them.

In which case the MWC will have to turn back to that far away island Hawaii as its' 12th team & premier football program.  Might as well change the name back to Western Athletic Conference while they're at it.

After the jump is every conference listed out after this scenario unfolds. 9 12 team conferences, 10 team Sun Belt & 6 Independents for 122 1-A teams. 71 BCS teams with only Boise & BYU left out of the party for now. I ranked the teams 1-122 based on winning percentage for 10 years between 2000 & 2009. Averaged wins are to the right of each team & rank is to the left.

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Mountain West Connection Winners & Losers

WINNERS

Boise State Broncos, Nevada Wolfpack & Fresno State Bulldogs - finally get to join their peers in the MWC.  They're good schools & football teams and it's win-win for them/the current MWC teams & the MWC.

Houston Cougars - get to go to a soon-to-be BCS conference.  They didn't fit in well with Rice, SMU, Tulsa & Tulane in C-USA West as the big public school & had to share the city with Rice.

San Diego State, UNLV, BYU, TCU - get natural rivals with the addition of the 3 WAC teams & Houston.

Mountain West escapes from expansion virtually unscathed. Losing Utah sucks but it's understandable. BYU is stuck with the MWC after the WAC raid.  The Pac-12 won't add anymore MWC schools.  Big IIX won't add any Texas schools so TCU & Houston are staying put. MWC can create 2 smart 6-team divisions with 2 CA, 2 NV, 1 ID, 1 UT schools in the West & 2 TX, 2 CO, 1 NM & 1 WY schools in the East/Mountain. Creates a Championship Game to be played in Las Vegas, San Diego, Salt Lake City, Houston, Dallas and/or Denver. Really carved out a niche as the in between Pac-12 & Big IIX conference.  Should become a BCS conference without the Super Mountain C-USA game. The only at-risk move would be Big IIX coming after New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force or BYU.

BYU - gets MWC closer to a BCS bid by instigating the expansion to 12 teams by plotting to put their other sports in the WAC forcing this whole thing. Now quit whining & prove it on the field if you think you're so much better than everyone else.

Nevada & Fresno State win double because there won't be any WAC to cut a $5 million check to.  They should call Benson up & say $20 mil would've been fine with them.

Louisiana Tech Bulldogs finally get to go back East by replacing Houston in the C-USA & aren't stuck going down with the rest of the WAC

 

LOSERS

BYU - Pac 10 didn't want you.  Big IIX doesn't want you.  Utah abandoned you.There's no WAC left.  You're non-revenue sports are too good for WCC & Big West.  Your Independent football dream is shot. I do agree your too good for Utah State though.

Unwanted Five:

Hawaii Warriors have been in the WAC since 1979 & have seen 16 schools leave it.  Unlike the rest of the 'Unwanted Five" they are a good football team - 8 wins/year in the 2000s & a BCS Sugar Bowl. Hawaii will go Independent in football & try to schedule home&home's with good teams. Hawaii has the most to lose because they're the only team that has ever won. Rest of its' sports join the non-football Big West's 9 California schools.

New Mexico State Aggies, Utah State Aggies & Idaho Vandals - Go back with their tails between their legs to football-only Sun Belt members after 6-7 failed WAC seasons.  Good riddens. Rest of sports join Hawaii in the Big West (where they belong).

San Jose State Spartans are completely left out in the cold.  There's not a geographic reason like in Hawaii's case why nobody wants them.  They're not as bad as the above 3 teams but they're not good either so unless the state of California cuts their football to save money they must be an Independent.  There's no safety Sun Belt to land in.  Other sports could join he now crowded 14 team Big West.

WAC - 1962 to 2012.  RIP.


Utah State loses twice because they were invited to fill the MWC's possible Utah void with BYU becoming Independent & they said no. Good luck now ever amounting to anything.

Big IIX - there are 8 12-team leagues with Championship games now.  Only you and the Big East can't get it together. The allowances you made Texas have destroyed your conference.

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Mountain West Connection NEW MWC

(Rank among 120 teams in 10 years since 2000 by winning percentage & average wins per year)

Mountain Division (2 TX, 2 CO, 1 WY, 1 NM)

West Division (2 CA, 2 NV, 1 UT, 1 ID)
7 Texas Christian  77% 9.5 1 Boise State   87% 11.2
46 Air Force  56% 6.8 23 Brigham Young  65% 8.1
63 Colorado State  50% 6.1 31 Fresno State  62% 8.1
70 Houston  48% 6.0 72 Nevada 48% 5.9
72 New Mexico  48% 5.9 103 UNLV 35% 4.1
99 Wyoming  36% 4.2 106 San Diego State  32% 3.8
59.5 Averages 52% 6.4 56.0 Averages 55% 6.9



I agree BYU is leveraging it's Independence to force MWC to deplete its' safety conference & expand to 12 teams. Houston is the obvious choice with UTEP getting some press & Tulsa being ignored.SMU & Rice are small private schools & MWC has enough private in BYU, Air Force & TCU.

Nevada & Fresno State joining MWC leaves only:

 

33 Hawaii  61% 8.0
85 Louisiana Tech  43% 5.2
94 San Jose State  39% 4.6
108 New Mexico State  31% 3.7
113 Utah State  27% 3.1
114 Idaho  26% 3.1

 

I think MWC teams biggest fear is sharing a conference with Division 1-AA upstarts like NM State, Utah State & Idaho.  The MWC has fought to build a BCS conference to let former Big West teams drag them back down. The biggest loser in this is Hawaii because their football team has won 8 games/year in the 2000s & 6.5/year since 1980. I believe they will become an Independent when the WAC falls apart (do it sooner except for the $5 million buyout)

Big West abandoned football in 2000.  LA Tech joined the WAC in 2001.  New Mexico State & Idaho joined Sun Belt in 2001 then WAC in 2005.  Utah State was so bad they became Independent in 2001, Sun Belt in 2003 & finally WAC in 2005.

The only thing the WAC has going for it is a possible $10 million from Nevada & Fresno State. More likely than Montana & Montana State joining the WAC from 1-AA, LA Tech replaces Houston in C-USA West & New Mexico State, Idaho & Utah State join Sunbelt as football-only members again & the Big West for all other sports.  That would form a 12 team football league (South Alabama is starting a team next year so 13). San Jose State is stuck except to join Hawaii as an Ind.

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Mountain West Connection Mountain West Win% from 2000-2009

This is a breakdown of the Mountain West's winning percentage rank among 120 division 1A teams from 2000-2009 (10 years) with average wins & total wins.

D-1A Rank Team Win % Ave. Wins Total Wins
1 Boise State  87% 11.2 112
7 Texas Christian   77% 9.5 95
23 Brigham Young   65% 8.1 81
46 Air Force   56% 6.8 68
63 Colorado State   50% 6.1 61
72 New Mexico  48% 5.9 59
99 Wyoming   36% 4.2 42
103 UNLV 35% 4.1 41
106 San Diego State   32% 3.8 38
58 Conf. Averages 54% 6.6 66
 


 
D-1A Rank Losing to Pac-12 Win % Ave. Wins Total Wins
12 Utah   70% 8.6 86




D-1A Rank Expansion Candidates Win % Ave. Wins Total Wins
31 Fresno State   62% 8.1 81
33 Hawaii   61% 8.0 80
65 Tulsa   49% 6.2 62
70 Houston   48% 6.0 60
72 Nevada 48% 5.9 59
92 UTEP 40% 4.8 48
93 Rice   39% 4.6 46
94 San Jose State  39% 4.6 46
102 North Texas  35% 4.2 42
108 New Mexico State   31% 3.7 37
112 Southern Methodist   29% 3.4 34
113 Utah State  27% 3.1 31

114

Idaho  26% 3.1

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Mountain West Connection Mountain West in 2012

In 2011 Utah will join the Pac-12 with Colorado. In 2012, Brigham Young & Boise State could join the Big XII North because they want to expand the footprint instead of adding more Texas schools.  Also in 2012, Texas Christian & Houston could join the Big East (the only BCS conference without 12 schools) with Central Florida & Memphis. Big East forms South division of South Florida, Central Florida, Houston, TX, Texas Christian, Memphis, TN & Louisville, KY.

This scenario makes ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big XII, Pac-12 & SEC have 12 schools (72 total + Notre Dame) in the BCS.  The winners are the 6 teams joining Utah in the BCS & the losers are the non-BCS conferences - Mountain West, C-USA & WAC.

I propose the solution to this conference realignment is recreating the 16-team WAC from 1996 to 1998. The teams are the same except Nevada, Utah State & Idaho replace Utah, BYU & TCU.

Split the 16 school league into a Mountain division comprised of 3 Texas, 2 Colorado, 1 Oklahoma, 1 Wyoming & 1 New Mexico school and the West division is 3 California, 2 Nevada, 1 Hawaii, 1 Utah &1 Idaho school. Every state in the West with a viable school is represented. The losers are New Mexico State & Lousiness Tech - 2 WAC schools that will have to join the C-USA/Sunbelt merger. Besides them, every WAC school in its' history is either in a BCS conference or in the new WAC-16.

This graph shows the division split with year originally joined WAC, where the school is, rank last season in football, conference they're coming from, # of undergrads & size of football stadium.

Western Athletic Conference 2012
Joined Average Rank Last Year #81 Ex-Conf Undergrad Stadium
Mountain Air Force Falcons 1980 Colorado Springs, CO #45 MWC 5k 53k
Colorado State Rams 1967 Fort Collins, CO #104 MWC 26k 34k
New Mexico Lobos charter Albuquerque, NM #118 MWC 24k 40k
Rice Owls 1996 Houston, TX #113 C-USA 3k (p) 47k
Southern Methodist Mustangs 1996 Dallas, TX #49 C-USA 6k (p) 32k
Texas-El Paso Miners 1967 El Paso, TX #102 C-USA 17k 52k
Tulsa Golden Hurricane 1996 Tulsa, OK #81 C-USA 3k 30k
Wyoming Cowboys charter Laramie, WY #59 MWC 13k 31k
West Fresno State Bulldogs 1992 Fresno, CA #51 WAC 23k 41k
Hawaii Warriors 1979 Honolulu, HI #75 WAC 20k 50k
Idaho Vandals 2005 Moscow, ID #50 WAC 12k 16k
Nevada Wolf Pack 2000 Reno, NV #52 WAC 17k 30k
Nevada-Las Vegas Rebels 1996 Las Vegas, NV #86 MWC 31k 37k
San Diego State Aztecs 1978 San Diego, CA #97 MWC 35k 71k
San Jose State Spartans 1996 San Jose, CA #111 WAC 33k 31k
Utah State Aggies 2005 Salt Lake City, UT #101 WAC 24k 26k

 

Travel isn't too costly despite the conference reaching from Eastern Oklahoma to Hawaii.  Wyoming would play their 7 division opponents & play 2 games against the West division - 1 home/1 away.  In 4 years Wyoming would play all 8 teams in the West with only 1 road trip. 9 conference games should make scheduling easier with enough room for out of conference rivalry games & shots at BCS teams.

the WAC - Mountain vs West Conference Championship Game could be played in San Diego Chargers stadium and/or alternate with Jerry Dome in Dallas.

In basketball Wyoming would play the 15 teams once each & their designated rival (Colorado State or New Mexico) twice for 16 games.

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Mountain West Connection Big XVI: Mountain West vs Big East

The battle among conferences for survival has come down to a tug of war between the Mountain West & Big East for the heartland.  The winner follows the Pac-10's precedence as a 16-school super conference. The loser struggles to remain relevant.

The Big XII has lost Colorado & Nebraska & will lose Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma & Oklahoma State next week.  The remains have been nicknamed the 'Little Five' - Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State & Baylor.  After being rejected by the Big Ten & Pac-10, they held a conference call & resolved to band together. This doesn't sound like a big deal in itself but it could have big implications for the Mountain West & Big East.

The Little Five's options are: 1) merge with the Mountain West, 2) merge with the Big East & 3) absorb the C-USA.

Option 1 - The Mountain West now has 10 teams so the merger with Little 5 only requires 1 more team - obvious choice is Houston from the C-USA. Split divisions into East & West.  The other option is keep New Mexico with the other 7 original MWC teams over Boise State. MWC 16 would be a BCS conference is 2012 in it's first season.

(the #s next to each school is rank 1-120 from last season

 

Big XVI
Big 8 division Mtn West division
Baylor 79 Air Force 45
Houston 39 Boise State 2
Iowa State 57 BYU 10
Kansas 74 Colorado State 104
Kansas State 63 San Diego State 97
Missouri 46 UNLV 86
New Mexico 118 Utah 19
TCU 6 Wyoming 59

 

Option 2 -Look eastward and merge with the 8 Big East schools.  Add Houston again with Memphis & Central Florida.  Memphis has been pledged $10 million annually by the CEO of FedEx to get in a BCS conference.  UCF adds a 2nd school in Florida for symmetry  with the 2 Texas schools.

 

Big XVI
Big East division Big 8 division
UCF 61 Baylor 79
UConn 32 Cincinnati 7
Memphis 112 Houston 39
Pitt 15 Iowa State 57
Rutgers 28 Kansas 74
South Florida 44 Kansas State 63
Syracuse 91 Louisville 90
West Virginia 27 Missouri 46

 

This leaves the Mountain West stuck with adding Fresno State & Nevada-Reno or Texas El-Paso to reach 12 teams.

Option 3 - absorbing 7 teams from the C-USA. 4 from Texas, 1 from Oklahoma, 1 from Florida & 1 from Tennessee. I don't know if the BCS bid would be preserved with less than 6 teams from the Big XII.

 

North South
Iowa State 57 Baylor 79
Kansas 74 UCF 61
Kansas State 63 Houston 39
Missouri 46 Rice 113
Memphis 112 SMU 49
Tulsa 81 UTEP 102

 

But this option also leaves Mountain West's options limited to expand to 12.

Scheduling would require a 9th conference game.  7 against your division & 2 against the other division.  Colorado State could play K-State in 2012 at home then visit Manhattan, KS in 2016.  The division winners would play a 10th conference game to determine a champion & who receives the automatic BCS bid. State breakdown:

1 California, 1 Nevada, 2 Utah, 1 Idaho, 1 Wyoming, 2 Colorado, 1 New Mexico, 3 Texas, 2 Kansas, 1 Missouri, 1 Iowa

0 Washington, 0 Oregon, 0 Arizona, 0 Dakotas, 0 Montana, 0 Nebraska, 0 Oklahoma

Iowa State might not love flying to San Diego State or Boise State to Houston but with 8 teams in each division - long flights should be minimized.

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Mountain West Connection Pac-16, Big Sixteen & Mountain West 16


Big XII's ultimatum to Nebraska & Missouri fails as neither school can commit to staying.  This causes Big XII South to accept the Pac-10's invitation.  Texas legislature demands Baylor's inclusion & Colorado is left out.  They join the Arizona schools in a new division & the Pac-8 keeps its' traditional games.

Pacific Coastal
Arizona California
Arizona State UCLA
Baylor USC
Oklahoma Oregon
Oklahoma State Oregon State
Texas Stanford
Texas A&M Washington
Texas Tech

Washington State

 

The Big Ten decides to follow the Pac-16's lead & welcomes Nebraska & Missouri.  Next they expand east to the New York TV market by adding Syracuse & Rutgers from the Big East.  This causes a chain reaction to breakup the Big East & forces Notre Dame's hand.

East West
Michigan Illinois
Michigan State Indiana
Notre Dame Iowa
Ohio State Minnesota
Penn State Missouri
Purdue Nebraska
Rutgers Northwestern
Syracuse

Wisconsin

 

SEC has to keep up & expands to new markets with Houston from the C-USA, NC State & Virginia Tech from the ACC & West Virginia from the Big East.

 

East West
Florida Alabama
Georgia Arkansas
NC State Auburn
South Carolina Houston
Tennessee Kentucky
Vanderbilt LSU
Virginia Tech Ole Miss
West Virginia Mississippi State

 

ACC absorbs the 5 leftover Big East teams & has their pick of 1 C-USA team.

 

Atlantic Coastal
Boston College Cincinnati
Clemson Georgia Tech
Connecticut Memphis
Duke Miami
Florida State North Carolina
Louisville Pittsburgh
Maryland South Florida
Wake Forest Virginia

 

The Big XII's demise leaves Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State & Iowa State out in the cold but the Mountain West is on the cusp of becoming a BCS conference, especially now with the Big XII & Big East folding.  MW adds 3 out of 4 Big XII teams and adds the other traditional WAC teams - UTEP, Hawaii, Fresno State & a new one - Boise State.  Meanwhile, Iowa State is stuck becoming the 14th team in the MAC.

West Mountain
BYU Air Force
Boise State Colorado
Fresno State Colorado State
Hawaii Kansas
UNLV Kansas State
San Diego State New Mexico
Utah TCU

Wyoming

UTEP

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Mountain West Connection Expansion to 9 12-team Conferences

This is my plan for conference expansion.  When it's all over, 16 teams will have changed conference. 7 teams will be promoted from non-BCS to BCS conferences.  The Mountain West's 'Big 3', 3 CUSA East teams & Temple.  The 6 12-team league BCS conference winners & 2 at-large teams will play in a 8 team playoff.  The quarterfinals will be played at the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta & Rose bowls.  Winners will advance to the semifinals & then the NCAA College Football Championship.  Other teams will continue to play in the existing bowl games like the Cotton & Papajohns.com.

 

Current TV deals for each conference & payout:

* Big Ten: $242 million ($22 mil each)
* SEC: $205 million ($17.08 mill each)
* ACC: $155 million ($12.9 mil each) (new deal)
* Big 12: $78 million ($6.5 mil each)
* Pac-10: $58 million ($5.8 mil each)
* Big East: $2.8 million per football school

(the numbers after each school are its ranking 1-120 after last season)


Big Ten decides to add a 12th team to play a conference championship game.  After being rejected by Notre Dame again, they add Missouri for the St. Louis & Kansas City TV markets. Conference is divided into East & West.

East West
Indiana 83 Illinois 99
Michigan 80 Iowa 8
Michigan State 62 Minnesota 70
Ohio State 5 Missouri 46
Penn State 9 Northwestern 40
Purdue 72 Wisconsin 14

Now the only major conference besides the Big East without a championship game, the Pac-10 decides to expand to 12.  They add Colorado & Utah for the Denver & Salt Lake City TV markets. Division follows the ACC model instead of North & South - separating teams from their natural rival.

 

Pacific Coastal
Arizona 35 Arizona State 77
California 41 Oregon State 36
UCLA 58 USC 21
Colorado 96 Stanford 29
Oregon 12 Utah 19
Washington 76 Washington State 115

The Big 12 must replace the 2 North division teams it lost so it adds Texas Christian & Brigham Young. Oklahoma agrees to move to the North divisions for more balance in the conference.

 

North South
BYU 10 Baylor 79
Iowa State 57 Oklahoma State 33
Kansas 74 Texas 4
Kansas State 63 Texas A&M 64
Nebraska 16 Texas Christian 6
Oklahoma 26 Texas Tech 22

The SEC & ACC sit out this round of conference expansion but the Big East must add 4 teams to stay relevant.  They promoted Cincinnati, Louisville & South Florida from Conference USA in 2005 and continue now by adding Central Florida, East Carolina & Memphis. The 12th team is Temple, a Big East football-only member from 1991-2004.  The 6 former C-USA schools form the South division & the older Big East teams form the North.

 

North South
UConn 32 UCF 61
Pitt 15 Cincinnati 7
Rutgers 28 East Carolina 38
Syracuse 91 Memphis 112
Temple 60 Louisville 90
West Virginia 27 South Florida 44

The Big East spins off its' 8 non-football schools (including Notre Dame) into a different non-affiliated league.

The Mountain West was raid of its' 'Big 3' by the Big 12 & Pac-10, leaving the conference with 6 teams. There were plans to add Boise State as the 10th team & possible expansion to 12 for a championship game.  MWC agrees to merge back with the Western Athletic Conference to form a 12 team league. 

The WAC kicks out it's 3 newest teams from 2005 - Idaho, New Mexico State & Utah State. Louisiana Tech leaves to join a conference back East & is replaced by Texas El-Paso, a former member from 1967-2005. The reunited conference is split into the Mountain West teams' division & the newer WAC teams.

 

Mountain West Western Athletic
Air Force 45 Boise State 2
Colorado State 104 Fresno State 51
UNLV 86 Hawaii 75
New Mexico 118 Nevada 52
San Diego State 97 San Jose State 111
Wyoming 59 UTEP 102

 

There are 8 conference games, copying the ACC's model: 5 division games, 1 permanent out of division rival, & rotate the other 2 out of division games.

Air Force & Hawaii - Air Force has the jets to fly this far every other year

Colorado State & UTEP - both joined the WAC in 1967

UNLV & Nevada - The Battle for Nevada & the Fremont Cannon

New Mexico & San Jose State - Spanish sounding places

San Diego State & Fresno State - student bodies hate each other

Wyoming & Boise State - closet in geography


C-USA is left scrambling after losing another 3 teams so it welcomes Louisiana Tech from the WAC as its' 10th team. Then promotes Middle Tennessee State & North Texas from the Sunbelt.

 

East West
UAB 88 Houston 39
Florida Atlantic 95 North Texas 116
Louisiana Tech 98 Rice 113
Marshall 65 SMU 49
MTSU 37 Tulane 109
Southern Miss 68

Tulsa 81

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