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Daily Norseman Bryant McKinnie

I heard Qadry Ismail talking to Soren Petro (a really good local sports broadcaster) about the Ravens on Friday. When asked about the impact of adding McKinnie to the team, the Missile had nothing but praise. Not only had McKinnie protected Flacco well this year, he had allowed the team to move Michael Oher to RT where he was more effective. He also pointed out that McKinnie had been a major part of their offensive plan starting with the first offensive play of the year--a run to the left tackle for a big gain (Q knew the yardage, but I've since forgotten it).

The Vikings clearly underestimated how much McKinnie had left in him, just like the Chiefs did with Jared Gaither (who went on to play well for the division rival Chargers after the Chiefs cut him). That begs a poll question:

Poll
Given how well he performed in Baltimore this year, how could Bryant McKinnie have helped the Vikings?
Not at all because Ponder is terrible.
6 votes
Not at all because Musgrave is terrible.
4 votes
Not at all because the team was a trainwreck waiting to happen anyway.
46 votes
The offense would have been better, but not enough to matter with such a poor defense.
88 votes
With a considerably better offense and the defense on the field less often, it could have been enough to win 8-9 games.
39 votes

183 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman Interesting article about QBs from NFL.com


I thought that  this article by Michael Lombardi was a great read, so I thought I'd share.

A few things that impressed me:

1. He says that a QB's throwing motion is no big deal.  Every QB has a different one, and only the results matter.  That's exactly the opposite viewpoint as guys like Brad Childress.

2. He says that only a few people are really qualified to evaluate QBs, so the larger the draft committee, the greater the odds of making a really bad mistake.  For the Vikings, I think this means that Bill Musgrave is possibly the only one who can evaluate the position well enough, and I hope that he was the driving force behind drafting Ponder rather than Frazier or someone else.

3. This is only tangentially related to the article, but I've seen Brian Billick spouting off about QB evaluations.  I suppose that he may have learned from his mistakes, but he failed to coach a couple of hand-picked QBs well enough in his time.  He's no Dennis Green.

5. In a roundabout way, Lombardi says that arm strength is important, but accuracy is critical.  Thankfully, the Vikings drafted a guy wiho is supposedly accurate despite lacking ideal arm strength.  I don't love this pick, but at least the potential seems to be there, along with a scary injury history.  And there were definitely impact players still on the board, 2-3 of whom had been ranked in the top five by one or more scouting services.

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Daily Norseman Demystifying playoff records of NFL QBs


Thanks to this article from pro-football-reference.com, we can all learn a few things about how quarterbacks have performed in NFL playoff games.  Based on degrees of standard deviation (of rushing, OL and defensive support), some circumstances were Impossible for any QB (Dan Marino won the most nearly impossible game in which the opposing team had gained more than 150 yards more than the Dolphins did on the ground).  Some were Gimmes that any QB could have celebrated a win with his teammates.  The rest were Difficult (in which QBs won 9% of such games), Neutral (50%) or Easy (92%).  In case you haven't read the article linked in the first sentence of this paragraph, go ahead and read it now.

Taking those ideas one step further, I wondered how the lot would stack up based on actual win% - expected w%:

QB  Games Exp. W%  W% W% - Exp. W% Imp W  Imp L  Diff W  Diff L  Neu W  Neu L  Easy W  Easy L  Gimme W  Gimme L
Billy Wade  1 48.4% 100.0% 51.6% 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Bobby Layne  4 36.3% 75.0% 38.7% 0 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0
Frank Reich  2 70.0% 100.0% 30.0% 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0
Drew Brees  6 41.0% 66.7% 25.7% 0 1 1 0 2 1 1 0 0 0
Kurt Warner  13 45.6% 69.2% 23.6% 0 1 2 1 4 2 3 0 0 0
Tobin Rote  4 51.5% 75.0% 23.5% 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 0
Ben Roethlisberger  10 57.4% 80.0% 22.6% 0 0 0 1 5 1 3 0 0 0
Norm Van Brocklin  4 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Aaron Brooks  2 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Chris Miller  2 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
David Garrard  2 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Rodney Peete  2 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Tommy Maddox  2 28.8% 50.0% 21.2% 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Tom Brady  18 58.9% 77.8% 18.9% 0 1 1 0 7 3 4 0 2 0
Johnny Unitas  8 56.4% 75.0% 18.6% 0 0 0 1 4 1 0 0 2 0
John Elway  21 49.0% 66.7% 17.7% 0 4 0 2 9 0 2 1 3 0
Marc Bulger  3 16.1% 33.3% 17.2% 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Mark Sanchez  3 49.7% 66.7% 17.0% 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
Dan Marino  18 30.0% 44.4% 14.4% 0 8 1 0 5 2 1 0 1 0
Daunte Culpepper  4 36.3% 50.0% 13.7% 0 1 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0
Bart Starr  10 76.4% 90.0% 13.6% 0 0 1 0 2 0 4 1 2 0
George Blanda  4 37.3% 50.0% 12.7% 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
Earl Morrall  5 67.4% 80.0% 12.6% 0 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 1 0
Jeff Hostetler  5 67.4% 80.0% 12.6% 0 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 1 0
Jay Schroeder  5 47.4% 60.0% 12.6% 0 1 0 0 2 1 1 0 0 0
Joe Montana  23 57.1% 69.6% 12.5% 0 2 1 2 6 3 6 0 3 0
Ken Stabler  12 46.0% 58.3% 12.3% 0 2 2 0 2 3 1 0 2 0
Troy Aikman  15 61.0% 73.3% 12.3% 0 0 0 2 5 2 5 0 1 0
Vinny Testaverde  5 28.0% 40.0% 12.0% 0 3 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0
Wade Wilson  5 29.0% 40.0% 11.0% 0 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0
Peyton Manning  18 39.8% 50.0% 10.2% 0 2 1 4 5 3 2 0 1 0
Eli Manning  7 47.6% 57.1% 9.5% 0 1 0 0 3 2 1 0 0 0
Vince Ferragamo  6 40.8% 50.0% 9.2% 0 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 1 0
Stan Humphries  6 41.5% 50.0% 8.5% 0 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0
Tommy Kramer  4 41.7% 50.0% 8.3% 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0
Gifford Nielsen  1 91.7% 100.0% 8.3% 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Mark Rypien  7 63.7% 71.4% 7.7% 0 0 0 1 2 1 1 0 2 0
John Brodie  5 32.7% 40.0% 7.3% 0 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 0
Jake Delhomme  8 55.2% 62.5% 7.3% 0 1 0 2 1 0 3 0 1 0
Dan Fouts  7 35.8% 42.9% 7.1% 0 1 0 1 3 2 0 0 0 0
Rich Gannon  7 50.1% 57.1% 7.0% 0 0 0 1 3 2 0 0 1 0
Jake Plummer  6 26.4% 33.3% 6.9% 0 2 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 0
Ken Anderson  6 26.4% 33.3% 6.9% 0 2 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 0
Fran Tarkenton  11 49.7% 54.5% 4.8% 0 2 0 2 2 1 2 0 2 0
Steve Young  14 52.5% 57.1% 4.6% 0 2 0 2 3 2 3 0 2 0
Jeff Garcia  6 28.8% 33.3% 4.5% 0 0 1 2 1 2 0 0 0 0
Babe Parilli  2 45.9% 50.0% 4.1% 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Mark Malone  2 45.9% 50.0% 4.1% 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Chris Chandler  3 62.8% 66.7% 3.9% 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0
Joe Namath  3 62.8% 66.7% 3.9% 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0
Terry Bradshaw  19 64.6% 68.4% 3.8% 0 1 0 2 3 2 4 0 6 0
Donovan McNabb  16 52.6% 56.3% 3.7% 0 1 0 3 4 3 3 0 2 0
David Woodley  5 56.7% 60.0% 3.3% 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0
Dan Pastorini  5 56.9% 60.0% 3.1% 0 1 0 1 0 0 3 0 0 0
Jim Kelly  17 50.2% 52.9% 2.7% 0 3 0 3 3 2 2 0 4 0
Jeff George  3 30.6% 33.3% 2.7% 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Brett Favre  24 51.8% 54.2% 2.4% 0 2 0 6 4 3 6 0 3 0
Tony Eason  5 57.7% 60.0% 2.3% 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0
Bill Nelsen  5 37.7% 40.0% 2.3% 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0
Bob Waterfield  2 48.4% 50.0% 1.6% 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Bubby Brister  2 48.4% 50.0% 1.6% 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Lynn Dickey  2 48.4% 50.0% 1.6% 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Steve Beuerlein  2 48.4% 50.0% 1.6% 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Steve Fuller  2 48.4% 50.0% 1.6% 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Joe Theismann  8 73.6% 75.0% 1.4% 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 4 0
Warren Moon  10 29.2% 30.0% 0.8% 0 0 0 6 2 1 1 0 0 0
Phil Simms  10 59.4% 60.0% 0.6% 0 1 0 1 2 2 1 0 3 0
Jim Plunkett  10 79.5% 80.0% 0.5% 0 0 0 0 1 2 6 0 1 0
Pete Beathard  2 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Aaron Rodgers  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bob Avellini  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cody Carlson  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jack Trudeau  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kelly Holcomb  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Tommy O'Connell  1 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mike Tomczak  5 60.2% 60.0% -0.2% 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 2 0
Jay Fiedler  3 33.6% 33.3% -0.3% 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
Steve Walsh  3 33.6% 33.3% -0.3% 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
Danny White  10 50.3% 50.0% -0.3% 0 1 0 2 2 2 1 0 2 0
Scott Brunner  2 50.4% 50.0% -0.4% 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
Dave Krieg  9 34.1% 33.3% -0.8% 0 3 0 2 1 1 1 0 1 0
Craig Morton  10 50.8% 50.0% -0.8% 0 0 0 2 3 3 0 0 2 0
Len Dawson  8 63.4% 62.5% -0.9% 0 2 0 0 0 1 5 0 0 0
Joe Kapp  4 51.5% 50.0% -1.5% 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
Rex Grossman  4 51.5% 50.0% -1.5% 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
Richard Todd  4 51.5% 50.0% -1.5% 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
Steve DeBerg  4 26.5% 25.0% -1.5% 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Bob Lee  3 35.3% 33.3% -2.0% 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Shaun King  3 35.3% 33.3% -2.0% 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Ron Jaworski  8 52.0% 50.0% -2.0% 0 0 0 3 1 1 1 0 2 0
Frank Ryan  3 36.4% 33.3% -3.1% 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Otto Graham  7 60.7% 57.1% -3.6% 0 0 0 0 2 3 2 0 0 0
Doug Williams  7 61.2% 57.1% -4.1% 0 1 0 0 1 2 2 0 1 0
Chad Pennington  6 37.4% 33.3% -4.1% 0 0 0 3 1 1 0 0 1 0
Bob Griese  11 58.7% 54.5% -4.2% 0 2 1 0 0 3 1 0 4 0
Roger Staubach  17 69.1% 64.7% -4.4% 0 0 0 0 4 6 1 0 6 0
Gus Frerotte  2 4.6% 0.0% -4.6% 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jim Hart  2 4.6% 0.0% -4.6% 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mark Brunell  10 54.7% 50.0% -4.7% 0 1 0 2 1 2 2 0 2 0
Philip Rivers  7 47.6% 42.9% -4.7% 0 1 0 0 2 3 1 0 0 0
Randall Cunningham  9 38.5% 33.3% -5.2% 0 2 0 2 1 2 2 0 0 0
Trent Dilfer  6 88.6% 83.3% -5.3% 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 3 0
Bernie Kosar  7 48.2% 42.9% -5.3% 0 1 0 1 2 1 1 1 0 0
Neil O'Donnell  7 50.1% 42.9% -7.2% 0 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 1 0
Jim Everett  5 47.4% 40.0% -7.4% 0 1 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 0
Jim Harbaugh  5 47.4% 40.0% -7.4% 0 1 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 0
Joe Flacco  5 69.0% 60.0% -9.0% 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 2 0
Cliff Stoudt  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Don Strock  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Eric Hipple  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Matt Ryan  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Milt Plum  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Neil Lomax  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Paul McDonald  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Quincy Carter  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Scott Zolak  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sean Salisbury  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Todd Blackledge  1 9.2% 0.0% -9.2% 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Boomer Esiason  5 69.8% 60.0% -9.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 2 0
Joe Ferguson  4 36.3% 25.0% -11.3% 0 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0
Brad Johnson  7 69.2% 57.1% -12.1% 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 1 2 0
Steve Bartkowski  4 38.6% 25.0% -13.6% 0 0 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0
Kerry Collins  7 56.8% 42.9% -13.9% 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 2 0
Matt Hasselbeck  9 58.4% 44.4% -14.0% 0 1 0 0 1 4 2 0 1 0
Michael Vick  4 64.4% 50.0% -14.4% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 0
Drew Bledsoe  6 64.7% 50.0% -14.7% 0 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 0
Bert Jones  3 16.1% 0.0% -16.1% 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Steve Grogan  3 16.1% 0.0% -16.1% 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Steve McNair  10 66.1% 50.0% -16.1% 0 0 0 1 1 3 4 1 0 0
Don Heinrich  3 82.8% 66.7% -16.1% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 0
James Harris  3 49.5% 33.3% -16.2% 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Daryle Lamonica  9 60.8% 44.4% -16.4% 0 0 0 2 0 3 2 0 2 0
Jim McMahon  6 67.6% 50.0% -17.6% 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 3 0
Pat Haden  5 58.7% 40.0% -18.7% 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 1 0
Jack Kemp  6 52.5% 33.3% -19.2% 0 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 2 0
Elvis Grbac  3 52.5% 33.3% -19.2% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0
Bobby Hebert  3 19.2% 0.0% -19.2% 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Kordell Stewart  4 74.2% 50.0% -24.2% 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0
Dieter Brock  2 74.2% 50.0% -24.2% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Pat Ryan  2 74.2% 50.0% -24.2% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0
Scott Mitchell  2 24.2% 0.0% -24.2% 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Tony Romo  4 49.4% 25.0% -24.4% 0 0 0 1 0 2 1 0 0 0
Billy Kilmer  7 55.0% 28.6% -26.4% 0 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 1 0
Y.A. Tittle  4 26.5% 0.0% -26.5% 0 1 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0
Carson Palmer  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Doug Flutie  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
John Hadl  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Ken O'Brien  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Mike Phipps  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Roman Gabriel  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Trent Green  2 28.8% 0.0% -28.8% 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Erik Kramer  3 64.2% 33.3% -30.9% 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0
Don Meredith  4 59.2% 25.0% -34.2% 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0
Charlie Conerly  2 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
Anthony Wright  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Byron Leftwich  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Chris Simms  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Danny Kanell  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Gary Danielson  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Greg Landry  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Jeff Kemp  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Jim Miller  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Jon Kitna  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Marc Wilson  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Rob Johnson  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Scott Hunter  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Steve Bono  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Tarvaris Jackson  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Todd Collins  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Ty Detmer  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Vince Young  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Virgil Carter  1 48.4% 0.0% -48.4% 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Brian Sipe  1 91.7% 0.0% -91.7% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Gary Cuozzo  1 91.7% 0.0% -91.7% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Johnny Lujack  1 91.7% 0.0% -91.7% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Todd Marinovich  1 91.7% 0.0% -91.7% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Tom Matte  1 91.7% 0.0% -91.7% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Poll
How well does a QB's winning% reflect his abilities and value to his team?
It's the only thing that matters because it's all about him.
4 votes
Not much. Teams win games.
11 votes
I used to think that a QB's record mattered, but now I understand that the QB only has a little bit of an impact on whether a team wins or not.
2 votes

17 votes | Poll has closed

7 comments  | 

Daily Norseman Musgrave a possibility for OC (now with poll!)


Former NFL QB Bill Musgrave has interviewed for the Browns' and Vikings' offensive coordinator positions.

Full uncut text:

The Minnesota Vikings, St. Louis Rams, Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns are among the teams still looking for an offensive coordinator after the Miami Dolphins agreed to terms with Brian Daboll and the Carolina Panthers hired Rob Chudzinski for those positions, league sources said Tuesday.

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Current offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell hasn't been let go, but the Vikings already have interviewed Josh McDaniels for the position. Atlanta Falcons quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave will arrive in Minnesota tonight to interview, according to a league source. Musgrave will arrive in Minnesota from Cleveland, where he is interviewing for their coordinator job, the source said.

McDaniels was the first candidate interviewed by the Rams for their opening, but those talks have hit a snag, and the Rams could end up talking to Musgrave and former Vikings coach Brad Childress for their opening. League sources said it isn't out of the question that McDaniels will and with the Rams, but there are some hurdles to overcome for that to happen.

Baltimore Ravens consultant Al Saunders is a candidate to handle the Raiders' coordinating duties, with Hue Jackson now promoted to head coach. Ravens officials expect that move to happen.

NFL Network insider Michael Lombardi reported Monday that Daboll, who was Eric Mangini's offensive coordinator with the Browns, is headed to the Dolphins.

The Panthers hired Chudzinski, also a former Browns offensive coordinator. Chudzinski spent this past season as tight ends coach/assistant head coach in San Diego, where he worked with new Panthers coach Ron Rivera, who was the Chargers' defensive coordinator.

Poll
Who would you like to see as the Vikings' OC next year?
Bill Musgrave
50 votes
Josh McDaniels
46 votes
Darrell Bevell
7 votes
Other (please specify in comments)
7 votes

110 votes | Poll has closed

35 comments  | 

Daily Norseman Frazier: "We've got to find a quarterback."


Uncut from NFL.com:

Vikings coach Leslie Frazier is determined to find Minnesota's franchise quarterback of the future this offseason, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune on Monday.

With Brett Favre out of the picture, Frazier sees the Vikings' NFC North rivals set at quarterback, with Matthew Stafford in Detroit, and Jay Cutler's Chicago Bears set to host Aaron Rodgers' Green Bay Packers in this Sunday's NFC Championship Game.

"We've got to find a quarterback," Frazier told the newspaper. "You look at the playoff teams and none of them really have an issue at quarterback, they have their starting quarterback and most likely for years to come. We've got to find us a quarterback that we can build our franchise around, and if we do, it's going to stabilize a lot of things for our team and our organization."

Frazier sees the Bears-Packers game as indication that "we've got a lot of work ahead of us to get back to being NFC North champs. That would be two years in a row you'd have someone from the NFC North playing in the championship game."

Frazier told the Star Tribune that he has nearly finalized his coaching staff.

"We're getting close to getting some things done," he said. "I feel real good about the direction where we are and hope to have an announcement here really soon.

"We have a number of guys on our staff that are going to be with us next season that have been with us in the past, but we are going to add a few new faces at certain places. I think it'll be good for our team."

Jason La Canfora reported Sunday that former San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Singletary is expected to reach a deal to become the Vikings' linebackers coach, according to a source who says the likelihood of Singletary joining Minnesota's staff "looks good."

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The argument could also be made that the Vikings need a strong pass defense to play against the other QBs in the NFC North.  That would seem like the logical thing for a former DB as head coach to do since he has no expertise in bringing along a young QB.

Poll
Will the Vikings successfully acquire and develop a quarterback of the future under Leslie Frazier?
No, because the only quality QBotF prospects won't be there at #12.
49 votes
No, because Frazier and Bevell couldn't develop a QBotF anyway.
6 votes
No, because the franchise is cursed.
43 votes
Yes, because the Vikes will hire a QB guru as OC.
64 votes
Yes, because Bevell can handle QB development on his own.
7 votes
Yes, because the Vikes are about to luck out and get a great bargain at #12 who will develop regardless of the coaching.
55 votes

224 votes | Poll has closed

69 comments  | 

Daily Norseman Singletary receiving consideration for the Vikes' LB coach


NFL.com is reporting that former 49ers head coach Mike Singletary is being considered for the Vikings' linebackers coach.

Uncut text of the article:

Linebackers coach Richard Smith is following former Panthers coach John Fox to Denver, a league source said Sunday.

 

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Former San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Singletary could land a job with the Carolina Panthers or Minnesota Vikings. (Jeff Roberson/Associated Press)

 

In the mix to replace Smith in Carolina is Mike Singletary, another source indicated, although the Minnesota Vikings also are targeting the former 49ers head coach for their linebackers coach vacancy.

Singletary, a Hall of Fame linebacker, played with Vikings coach Leslie Frazier and Panthers coach Ron Rivera, and both first-time NFL coaches would like their former Chicago Bears teammate to join their staffs.

Singletary coached inside linebackers for the Baltimore Ravens in 2003 and 2004 before going to the San Francisco 49ers as an assistant coach. He became the 49ers' interim coach in 2008 after Mike Nolan was fired, then he received the full-time job after a 5-4 finish to the season.

Singletary's 49ers went 8-8 in 2009, then slumped to 5-10 this past season before the coach was fired.

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(Sorry for mislabeling it the first time.  It seems like quite a step down from HC to a positional coaching job.)

Poll
How do you feel about Mike Singletary becoming the new Viking defensive coordinator?
Great!
35 votes
Good, but perhaps there is a better candidate.
8 votes
Lukewarm (you could take him or leave him).
9 votes
Bad (there aren't many worse options, in your opinion).
0 votes
Awful (possibly the very worst choice for the job).
0 votes

52 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman What the top 120 QB performances of the past 10 years tell us about the Vikings' QB situation

Based on the top 120 single season performances by passer rating index (a.k.a. RATE+), the Vikings should not worry too much about drafting a quarterback in the first round.

Here are the top 120 seasons by NFL quarterbacks in terms of passer rating index (120 = 20% better than the average QB's passer rating that year; 115 = 15% better than the average QB's passer rating that year, and so on) from 2000 to 2009:

Rk 5 Player Year Age Draft How acq Tm GS Rate+ Sack%+
1 Peyton Manning 2004 28 1-Jan D IND 16 151 128
2 Tom Brady 2007 30 6-199 D NWE 16 148 117
3 Daunte Culpepper 2004 27 11-Jan D MIN 16 138 92
4 Chad Pennington 2002 26 18-Jan D NYJ 12 138 108
5 Brian Griese 2000 25 Mar-91 D DEN 10 135 113
6 Drew Brees 2009 30 Feb-32 FA NOR 15 132 117
7 Kurt Warner 2001 30   FA STL 16 132 101
8 Drew Brees 2004 25 Feb-32 D SDG 15 131 116
9 Donovan McNabb 2004 28 2-Jan D PHI 15 131 101
10 Ben Roethlisberger 2007 25 11-Jan D PIT 15 130 73
11 Brett Favre 2009 40 Feb-33 FA MIN 16 129 100
12 Peyton Manning 2005 29 1-Jan D IND 16 129 120
13 Daunte Culpepper 2000 23 11-Jan D MIN 16 128 102
14 Rich Gannon 2002 37 Apr-98 FA OAK 16 128 107
15 David Garrard 2007 29 4-108 D JAX 12 128 101
16 Kurt Warner 2000 29   FA STL 11 128 109
17 Jeff Garcia 2000 30   FA SFO 16 127 118
18 Philip Rivers 2008 27 4-Jan T SDG 16 127 107
19 Peyton Manning 2006 30 1-Jan D IND 16 126 125
20 Steve McNair 2003 30 3-Jan D TEN 14 126 113
21 Carson Palmer 2005 26 1-Jan D CIN 16 125 120
22 Philip Rivers 2009 28 4-Jan T SDG 16 125 108
23 Rich Gannon 2001 36 Apr-98 FA OAK 16 124 112
24 Peyton Manning 2003 27 1-Jan D IND 16 124 122
25 Aaron Rodgers 2009 26 24-Jan D GNB 16 124 81
26 Jeff Garcia 2001 31   FA SFO 16 123 111
27 Peyton Manning 2000 24 1-Jan D IND 16 123 122
28 Brett Favre 2001 32 Feb-33 T GNB 16 122 116
29 Matt Hasselbeck 2005 30 6-187 T SEA 16 122 110
30 Peyton Manning 2007 31 1-Jan D IND 16 122 114
31 Ben Roethlisberger 2004 22 11-Jan D PIT 13 122 81
32 Ben Roethlisberger 2005 23 11-Jan D PIT 12 122 92
33 Brian Griese 2004 29 Mar-91 FA TAM 10 121 96
34 Brad Johnson 2002 34 9-227 FA TAM 13 121 114
35 Ben Roethlisberger 2009 27 11-Jan D PIT 15 121 77
36 Tony Romo 2007 27   FA DAL 16 121 111
37 Drew Brees 2006 27 Feb-32 FA NOR 16 120 121
38 Daunte Culpepper 2003 26 11-Jan D MIN 14 120 93
39 Rich Gannon 2000 35 Apr-98 FA OAK 16 120 108
40 Trent Green 2002 32 8-222 T KAN 16 120 108
41 Peyton Manning 2009 33 1-Jan D IND 16 120 133
42 Brett Favre 2007 38 Feb-33 T GNB 16 119 122
43 Trent Green 2004 34 8-222 T KAN 16 119 108
44 Donovan McNabb 2006 30 2-Jan D PHI 10 119 101
45 Tony Romo 2006 26   FA DAL 10 119 104
46 Matt Schaub 2009 28 Mar-90 T HOU 16 118 114
47 Marc Bulger 2004 27 6-168 D STL 14 117 91
48 Jeff Garcia 2007 37   FA TAM 13 117 104
49 Elvis Grbac 2000 30 8-219 T KAN 15 117 112
50 Carson Palmer 2006 27 1-Jan D CIN 16 117 100
51 Chad Pennington 2008 32 18-Jan FA MIA 16 117 108
52 Tony Romo 2009 29   FA DAL 16 117 101
53 Kurt Warner 2008 37   FA ARI 16 117 113
54 Drew Brees 2008 29 Feb-32 FA NOR 16 116 128
55 Marc Bulger 2006 29 6-168 D STL 16 116 92
56 Steve McNair 2001 28 3-Jan D TEN 15 116 93
57 Tom Brady 2009 32 6-199 D NWE 16 115 125
58 Tom Brady 2004 27 6-199 D NWE 16 115 110
59 Brett Favre 2004 35 Feb-33 T GNB 16 115 131
60 Trent Green 2003 33 8-222 T KAN 16 115 118
61 Peyton Manning 2002 26 1-Jan D IND 16 115 119
62 Philip Rivers 2006 25 4-Jan T SDG 16 115 106
63 Tom Brady 2005 28 6-199 D NWE 16 114 113
64 Peyton Manning 2008 32 1-Jan D IND 16 114 125
65 Jake Plummer 2003 29 Feb-42 FA DEN 11 114 113
66 Brett Favre 2003 34 Feb-33 T GNB 16 113 117
67 Matt Hasselbeck 2007 32 6-187 T SEA 16 113 104
68 Matt Hasselbeck 2002 27 6-187 T SEA 10 113 104
69 Chad Pennington 2004 28 18-Jan D NYJ 13 113 114
70 Aaron Rodgers 2008 25 24-Jan D GNB 16 113 100
71 Eli Manning 2009 28 1-Jan T NYG 16 112 103
72 Jake Plummer 2005 31 Feb-42 FA DEN 16 112 113
73 Matt Schaub 2008 27 Mar-90 T HOU 11 112 102
74 Kurt Warner 2009 38   FA ARI 15 112 112
75 Tom Brady 2001 24 6-199 D NWE 14 111 86
76 Aaron Brooks 2003 27 4-131 D NOR 16 111 102
77 Trent Green 2005 35 8-222 T KAN 16 111 105
78 Matt Hasselbeck 2003 28 6-187 T SEA 16 111 92
79 Donovan McNabb 2007 31 2-Jan D PHI 14 111 85
80 Donovan McNabb 2009 33 2-Jan D PHI 14 111 90
81 Kurt Warner 2007 36   FA ARI 11 111 112
82 Drew Bledsoe 2002 30 1-Jan FA BUF 16 110 89
83 Tom Brady 2002 25 6-199 D NWE 16 110 111
84 Drew Brees 2007 28 Feb-32 FA NOR 16 110 124
85 Drew Brees 2005 26 Feb-32 D SDG 16 110 110
86 Mark Brunell 2002 32 5-118 T JAX 15 110 92
87 Brett Favre 2002 33 Feb-33 T GNB 16 110 113
88 Jeff Garcia 2002 32   FA SFO 16 110 123
89 Brian Griese 2002 27 Mar-91 D DEN 13 110 95
90 Byron Leftwich 2005 25 7-Jan D JAX 11 110 98
91 Donovan McNabb 2002 26 2-Jan D PHI 10 110 95
92 Tony Romo 2008 28   FA DAL 13 110 112
93 Tom Brady 2006 29 6-199 D NWE 16 109 110
94 Kerry Collins 2002 30 5-Jan FA NYG 16 109 115
95 Jake Delhomme 2004 29   FA CAR 16 109 105
96 Jake Delhomme 2005 30   FA CAR 16 109 104
97 Jay Fiedler 2002 31   FA MIA 10 109 115
98 Jeff Garcia 2008 38   FA TAM 11 109 102
99 Jon Kitna 2003 31   FA CIN 16 109 99
100 Tommy Maddox 2002 31 25-Jan FA PIT 11 109 100
101 Mark Brunell 2000 30 5-118 T JAX 16 108 84
102 Matt Cassel 2008 26 7-230 D NWE 15 108 83
103 Jay Cutler 2007 24 11-Jan D DEN 16 108 104
104 Donovan McNabb 2001 25 2-Jan D PHI 16 108 96
105 Jeff Blake 2000 30 6-166 FA NOR 11 107 97
106 Tom Brady 2003 26 6-199 D NWE 16 107 105
107 Mark Brunell 2001 31 5-118 T JAX 15 107 75
108 Chris Chandler 2001 36 Mar-76 FA ATL 14 107 79
109 Kerry Collins 2000 28 5-Jan FA NYG 16 107 112
110 Peyton Manning 2001 25 1-Jan D IND 16 107 110
111 Steve McNair 2000 27 3-Jan D TEN 15 107 108
112 Steve McNair 2002 29 3-Jan D TEN 16 107 116
113 Matt Schaub 2007 26 Mar-90 T HOU 11 107 106
114 Mark Brunell 2005 35 5-118 FA WAS 15 106 107
115 Daunte Culpepper 2001 24 11-Jan D MIN 11 106 91
116 Joe Flacco 2009 24 18-Jan D BAL 16 106 94
117 Rob Johnson 2000 27 Apr-99 FA BUF 11 106 57
118 Carson Palmer 2007 28 1-Jan D CIN 16 106 121
119 Matt Ryan 2008 23 3-Jan D ATL 16 106 116
120 Kurt Warner 2005 34   FA ARI 10 106 106

 

41 different quarterbacks produced these 120 single seasons.  41 single seasons were at least 20% better than the average passer rating in those respective years, and the other 79 were 6-19% better than average.

Overall:
41 QBs produced these 120 seasons.
56 were by QBs drafted by that team; 40 were by free agents; 24 were by trade acquisitions.
51 were at least 30 years old; 51 were 26-29 years old; only 18 were 25 or younger.
48 were first round picks, a minority.
30 played on teams that allowed more sacks than the average team (sack% index < 100).

Of the top 41:
21 QBs produced these top 41 seasons.
21 were by first round picks; 15 were by later picks; 5 were by undrafted free agents.
17 were at least 30 years old; 17 were 26-29; 7 were by QBs 25 and under.
8 played on teams that allowed more sacks than the average team.

Of the lower 79 (42nd-120th):
27 were by first round picks.
34 were at least 30 years old; 34 were 26-29; 11 were by QBs 25 and younger.
22 played on teams that had a below average sack index.

By these numbers (and not even exploring the bust rate of first round QBs), it is clear that the safer way to solve the Vikings' QB void is to acquire an existing NFL QB, either by free agency or via trade.  A majority (53%) of the top 120 were produced by a free agent or trade acquisition.  First round picks produced a minority of the top 120 QB seasons in the past 10 years.  Most telling, the veteran age groups produced the most, not some tenderfoot rookie.  The actual performance of the QB matters more than how the QB is acquired or hyped by the media, and good to excellent QBs are more likely to be found via trade and/or free agency.  Of course, we can also look at this list with some sadness as Vikings fans and see that we did have a very remarkable franchise QB not too long ago who might still be dominating today had he gotten some protection from his line and no championship or SB appearance to show for it.

Of course, there is no reason not to sign or trade for a veteran and also draft another QB.  That makes the most sense of all.

I know some are going to wonder about Super Bowl championships.  A good quarterback is only part of a Super Bowl championship.  Few would argue that Ben Roethlisberger is a franchise QB, but one of the Steelers' championships actually happened during his worst year so far.  Eli Manning has one season in the top 120, but it is not from his SB championship year.  Kurt Warner's championship was in 1999, just before the cutoff, and Favre's was in 1997, or else they would make the short list also.  Compared to an all things being equal scenario in the NFL (1 would win out of 32 exactly equal teams, or about 3%, or about a 6% chance of competing in a SB), having a QB performing at these levels greatly increases the odds of getting there to at least 10%.

May this Christmas day post bring you wisdom and peace, especially about the Vikings' QB quandary.

Poll
What will Santa bring the Vikings in the offseason?
A well-hyped franchise QB
19 votes
A pair of sensible veteran QBs
3 votes
Trade winds for more wins
1 votes
A vet and a later round bet
14 votes
A lump of coal
16 votes

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Daily Norseman Which NFL QB would you like to see wearing Viking purple in 2011?

Although the Vikes may have a top ten draft pick in the offseason, it will not necessarily be high enough to draft a franchise QB.  Assuming that nobody falls to them and no teams are offering a trade up, which of these QBs would you like to see in Minnesota in 2011?  Unlike a draftee, these guys could start in 2011.

(Drumroll please...the list of QBs and a poll after the jump)

Poll
Which QB would you prefer to see in a Vikings uniform in 2011?
Vince Young
26 votes
Chad Pennington
18 votes
Kyle Orton
40 votes
Troy Smith
32 votes
Trent Edwards
9 votes

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Daily Norseman A few thoughts on recently fired coaches

With the firing of Josh McDaniels and Brad Childress behind us, I wondered if they were similar situations.  In some ways, they were not.  Brad Childress was in his 5th year while McDaniels was only in his 2nd year.  The Vikings had won a playoff game (and lost two others) during his tenure while McDaniels had not coached a playoff game in Denver (but perhaps he could have given 4+ years to do so).  Childress brought in more yes men than McDaniels, and Childress had more premium free agents and better defensive players on the roster.

Poll
What do you think about the firings of Josh McDaniels and Brad Childress?
Both should have been fired earlier.
27 votes
Neither deserved to be fired.
0 votes
McDaniels deserved more time, but Childress had to go.
35 votes
Childress should not have been fired, but McDaniels had to go.
0 votes
Both were fired at the right time.
9 votes

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Daily Norseman Still on the Ship, Part II

Without a doubt, the outlook is bleak.  Favre is literally limping through his last season in the NFL.  Tarvaris Jackson didn't even appear to target Randy Moss in a 2-minute drill, slid rather than run out of bounds and seemed to believe that a dump-off pass to Toby Gerhart was going to result in a touchdown with enough time left to go for an onside kick and field goal.  I guess we should be happy that he was able to identify the open guys even though they were intentionally left open because it benefitted the Patriots to do so.  The team is 2-5 and must proceed without either a star WR or a terrible coach (which may result in more power to another ineffective coach on the staff).

But there is still hope.  Learn why after the jump:

Poll
Could the Vikings win the NFC North this year?
Absolutely!
17 votes
Perhaps.
39 votes
No way.
55 votes

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I can't be the only one who thought that Childress tried to downplay Moss's ability, aside from being a good decoy.

over 1 year ago Dauntebhead_tiny KC Viking 2 comments

Former Viking Demetrius Underwood is mentioned.

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Daily Norseman Still on the ship

With all of the (righfully) negative talk about the past two games and the outlook from an 0-2 start, now seems like a good time to explain how I feel about it all in the long-term since others have tried to speak for me and anyone else who might be dissatisfied and uninspired by the team's recent performance.

Poll
Can you imagine a losing season being a good thing in the long run?
Yes!
21 votes
No.
37 votes

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Daily Norseman How to build a championship team in today's NFL

How should a personnel dept. and coaching staff build a perennial playoff team in the current era?  Is it better to be run-oriented or pass happy?  Is it better to stop the run, stop the pass, or be balanced on defense?  Let's look at some data from the past 5 years of conference championship games and Super Bowls after the jump.

Poll
How do you grade Leslie Frazier's performance in the past 3+ years?
A: The defense is amazing, top to bottom, including the best safeties in the NFL!!111!!1!!!
6 votes
B: I'm delusional enough to think that the Vikes could face all run-oriented teams in the playoffs this year.
9 votes
C: Who cares? (I'll be apathetic about the L.A. Vikings, too.)
5 votes
D: Just stopping the run doesn't get it done.
27 votes
F: Look at all of that talent! Why has nobody gotten better during his tenure?
11 votes

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Daily Norseman The Coaches Must Be Crazy


If I had to narrow down my biggest complaint vs. Childress and Bevell (and Frazier to a slightly lesser extent), it would be that the Vikings' coaches seem to live in a time capsule and strategize as though the NFL were a run-heavy league.  It is not a run-heavy league.  It is a pass-heavy league, mostly due to rule changes in the past 6-10 years.  In 2009, the 2 most dominant teams were the Saints and Colts, and both were pass-happy teams.  8 of the teams with the 12 best pass defenses by passer rating allowed were playoff teams, and 2 of the top 3 advanced as far as the conference championship games.  Conversely, only 6 of the top 12 rushing teams from 2009 played in the postseason.  The Vikings were 13th in rushing yards and 8th in passing yards in 2009--a possible sign that the coaches had finally learned something--and with so many clear signs in front of them that a run-heavy offense and a run-stopping defense was not likely to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL, I had high hopes for this season.

The Saints' first play was a pass from the shotgun formation, a crystal clear sign that they understand that the NFL is a pass-heavy league.  4 plays later (including only 1 incomplete pass and 1 rushing play), the Saints were in the end zone.  I told myself that there was plenty of time left, as many other fans did.

"Surely the Vikings will pass at least once on this series, " I said to my brother.  Nope: Run RT for 3; Run RT for 5; Run LG for -1 when it was 3rd and 2.  That script must have been borrowed from 2006 when the Vikings must have had some of the worst playcalling in the history of the NFL.

Here are some relevant stats:
+ In 2009, the Vikings produced 5 more runs of 10+ yards than they did runs of 0 or negative yards.
- Last night, the Vikings produced only 2 runs of 10+ yards and 5 runs of 0 or negative yards, or -8 worse than 2009.
- Last year, the Vikings "only" allowed a passer rating of 92.5 (good for 27th).
- Last night, the Vikings allowed a passer rating of 101.3 (would have ranked 31st).
- The Vikings ran the ball about as often as the Saints, who were protecting a lead most of the game.

Kevin Siefert cited several more key stats in today's article.  To sum them up:
+ The Saints had never scored so few points under Sean Payton (although the Saints had nearly scored 6-17 more points and intercepted Favre more than once).
- The Vikings went 3-and-out (or 3 plays and an INT) on 5 of their 10 possessions (3 of the 3-and-outs were in the 5 2nd half possessions).
- Favre's passer rating was twice as bad as it had been in last year's NFCCG.
- Peterson produced what he did vs. favorable defensive fronts.
- The Saints made an adjustment that limited Shank to only 2 passes his way and no catches in the 2nd half (not to mention holding the Vikings scoreless in the 2nd half).
- The Vikings do not have the cupcake schedule that they had last season.

Sure, the Vikings may have merely been rusty in a few spots, but the coaches appeared to have learned nothing.  They will still be in charge after the rust falls off.

Poll
Did the loss to the Saints lower your expectations for the 2010 season?
Yes, and by a lot.
12 votes
Yes, but only a little.
19 votes
Maybe/not sure.
13 votes
Not at all.
38 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman Pros and cons of signing Matt Leinart

The Arizona Cardinals cut Matt Leinart today in the wake of Leinart's public frustration about being a backup again, especially to Derek Anderson.  While it's true that Leinart's career passer rating is better than Derek Anderson's, Leinart has done little else to suggest he's a starter...unless he were to sign with Minnesota, learn this year, and replace Favre next year.

Why Minnesota?

PROS: In this preseason, Leinart has completed 70% of his passes.  SEVENTY percent!  We've all heard Chilly talk about how high-percentage passes are the key to the much fabled KAO, and I presume that he meant something closer to 70% than 57%.  Some would say that Leinart is a proven winner who just needs a chance, so give that as much or little credit as you will.  Leinart is also a lefty, which means that he is supposedly tapping into the creative side of his brain more often than most.  It would mean that McKinnie and Hutchinson could continue to be the run side of the line while upgrading the RG to more of a pass pro position and hoping that Loadholt can stop of the premier pass rushers.

CONS: His preseason yards per attempt is about 4, often behind the line of scrimmage.  OK, the first part of that is a con, but the second half is a pro to Chilly and Bevell, who believe that the answer is always to throw short of the 1st down marker on 3rd downs at least 80% of the time.  And anyone who has failed to beat former Pro Bowler Derek Anderson for a starting job may be able to beat TJ, but do we really want that?

Poll
Should the Vikings sign Matt Leinart?
Absolutely!
23 votes
No way!
51 votes

74 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman Frazier: Vikings appear deep on defense


This originally appeared on the Vikings' official site (By Mike Wobschall, vikings.com Posted Aug 20, 2010):

Poll
Given the Vikings' strong depth, can Vikings fans expect an above average defense against the pass by passer rating allowed?
Yes, without a doubt.
48 votes
Probably.
52 votes
Maybe/not sure
23 votes
I doubt it.
18 votes
No way.
3 votes

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Daily Norseman Was Sidney Rice for real in 2009?



From the day that Sidney Rice was drafted with a second round pick to a team that badly needed help at wide receiver, expectations have been high.  He didn't get off to a great start, though.  In his first two seasons, he caught 46 passes for 537 yards.  Even Todd Pinkston surpassed those receptions or yardage totals in 4 consecutive individual seasons.  Worse yet, Rice's production had fallen off along a downward trend.

Then Brett Favre arrived in town.  Guns were slung, games were won and suddenly Sidney was skyrocketing into the top tier of NFL wide receivers.  Despite his relatively high average yards per reception, he rarely had much separation from the defender(s) on any of the 83 receptions.  

What will come of Sidney Rice after Favre retires?  Will he still be unsung and for real, or a one-and-done deal?

Poll
Was Sidney Rice for real in 2009? Will he ever be that good again?
Yes, he will produce many 1,000+ yd seasons and go to more Pro Bowls.
67 votes
Sort of, but he will be this good as long as he has a QB as good as Favre.
73 votes
No. He's a freaky one-year wonder, especially with Harvin emerging and stealing passes away from him soon.
4 votes
No. He'll probably spend most of his career being injured.
0 votes

144 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman Peter Schrager's Top 100 NFL Players vs. Approximate Value



Peter Schrager has posted a new feature on Fox Sports with his ranking of the top 100 players for 2010.  No Seahawks, Chiefs, Bills or Buccaneers made that list.

Pro-Football-Reference.com's ranking of the top 100 players in 2009 by Approximate Value can be viewed here for comparison. 

Schrager didn't list Vikings OT Bryant McKinnie in his top 100.  He was one of the honorable mentions.  McKinnie was 58th on the AV list, two spots behind Percy Harvin, who barely made Schrager's list.  A total of 8 Vikings made the AV list.

Poll
Which list is more accurate?
AV (Approximate Value) is more accurate.
4 votes
Peter Schrager got it right.
1 votes
It's a silly exercise either way.
19 votes

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Daily Norseman How Adrian L. Peterson compares to Darrelle Revis

How Adrian L. Peterson compares to Darrelle Revis

Poll
Should the Vikings make a move to acquire Darrelle Revis from the Jets?
Yes, even if it means giving up next year's 1st round pick!
62 votes
Yes, but Revis isn't worth a 1st round pick.
15 votes
No, the Vikings can get by with a below average pass defense.
6 votes
No, Chris Cook will be better than Darrelle Revis.
8 votes
No, Revis wouldn't be properly utilized in Minnesota anyway.
17 votes

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Daily Norseman More on QBs and AVs



In my last post, I examined second year quarterbacks' Approximate Values (and explained and linked to other sources about AV).  I had arbitrarily set a standard of 10 AV for a good season.  Was that standard too high?  This post will take a look at which QBs have had 4 or more 10 AV seasons and whether a rookie can do it.

Poll
Should the Vikings have drafted a QB in the most recent draft?
Absolutely!
10 votes
Maybe/don't care
5 votes
No, despite all the evidence to the contrary, I believe that Tarvaris Jackson should start the next 4-5 years after 2010.
9 votes
No, but they should definitely acquire one by trade or free agency soon.
11 votes

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Trade for him! Trade for him! Give up next year's first round pick if necessary, but bring him to Minnesota!

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Daily Norseman An Objective Historical and Statistical Look at Second Year QBs


2007 was a uniquely exciting time to be a fan of both the Minnesota Vikings (I'm a native Minnesotan) and the Kansas City Chiefs (where I've resided for the past decade plus).  Tarvaris Jackson, hailed as the next Donovan McNabb by Vikings coach Brad Childress, became the Vikings' starting QB while Brodie Croyle, the top-rated QB in the nation coming out of high school who had put together a fine senior season after finally staying healthy, was poised to take over the starting role for the Chiefs.  Of course, we all know how that worked out.  Jackson only started 12 games due to injury, and Croyle managed to start half as many games.  Both posted unspectacular passer ratings right around 70, and neither has started 10+ games in a season since.  Ever since that year, I have wondered how other second year starting quarterbacks had fared, what percent of second year quarterbacks went on to produce at least one good or better season as a starter and what percentage of second year starting QBs who produced later started off similarly or worse or better than Tarvaris Jackson.  The rest of this post will compare the Approximate Values of 114 second year starting QBs in three tiers, partly to see how closely AV correlates with quality and partly to gain some perspective into the question of whether Tarvaris Jackson is likely to become a quality starter and when, if so, based on similarities to his peers over the years.

Poll
Since this sort of post takes a fair amount of time, would you like to read similar follow-ups about performance in the first 3-5 years or rookie QB performances?
Absolutely!
22 votes
Maybe...I prefer shorter posts, though.
9 votes
[yawn]
12 votes

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Daily Norseman Statistical trends which probably weren't helped by trading up for a RB

I was pleased to see that the Vikings considered CB enough of an area of need to draft one with their first pick, but of course they let the guy with the best man-to-man skills go in the process.  In the meantime, teams with great pass defenses like the Jets had gobbled up the last really good CBs on the board.  I was sure that the Vikings were going to shore up the position with 2 CBs and the future with a QB like Tony Pike, but that didn't happen, either.

Here are some trends during the Childress era worth thinking about:

Passer rating allowed rank:
2006: 5th
2007: 23rd
2008: 16th
2009: 27th

Defensive turnovers rank:
2006: 3rd
2007: 9th
2008: 15th
2009: 23rd

Passing yards allowed:
2006: 31st
2007: 32nd
2008: 18th
2009: 19th

Playoff games:
2006: none
2007: none
2008: 0-1
2009: 1-1
total: 1-2 (roughly equivalent to 5-11)

The truth is that the team hasn’t had anything resembling an all-around good to great D since Mike Tomlin was employed (except for yards allowed, which we'll look at more closely soon).  A better D vs. the pass in the past 2 years could have meant a winning record in the playoffs, including a SB win.

How much do those trends matter?  How does passer rating allowed matter compared to defensive turnovers or passing yards?  Let's look at the last 2 years of playoff games.

Game Better PR More DTO More PY
09 SB 1 1 0
09 NFCCG 1 1 0
09 AFCCG 1 0 1
09 Div INDvsBAL 1 1 1
09 Div NYJvsSD 0 1 0
09 Div NOvsARI 1 1 1
09 Div MINvsDAL 1 1 1
09 WC BALvsNE 0 1 0
09 WC NYJvsCIN 1 1 1
09 WC DALvsPHI 1 1 1
09 WC ARIvsGB 1 1 0
09 RESULTS 81.82% 90.91% 54.55%
08 SB 0 1 0
08 AFCCG 1 1 1
08 NFCCG 1 1 0
08 Div ARIvsCAR 1 1 1
08 Div PHIvsNYG 1 1 1
08 Div PITvsSD 0 1 0
08 Div BALvsTEN 1 1 0
08 WC BALvsMIA 1 1 0
08 WC MINvsPHI 1 n 1
08 WC ARIvsATL 1 1 1
08 WC INDvsSD 0 0 0
08 RESULTS 72.73% 90.00% 45.45%
COMBINED 77.27% 90.45% 50.00%

In the last 22 playoff games, defensive turnovers were the best predictors of the victors while the better rated passer won a little more than 3/4 of the time.  The team with the most passing yards won only half the time which is to say that passing yardage is completely irrelevant.

Chris Cook had better be good.  Not just better than Cedric Griffin good, but really, really good.

Poll
Do you think that the Vikings significantly improved their pass defense enough in this recent draft?
What? The Vikings had a GREAT defense vs. the pass!
5 votes
Definitely.
16 votes
Probably, but I'm skeptical.
32 votes
Possibly, but not enough.
17 votes
Not nearly enough.
18 votes

88 votes | Poll has closed

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Daily Norseman Tomlinson leaves Vikings, headed to Jets


According to Yahoo, star RB LaDainian Tomlinson left the Vikings without a deal and will visit the Jets today.

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Daily Norseman Firings are in order


First of all, let me be clear that I don't hold this opinion because the Vikings lost in the NFC Championship game, but because of how and why they lost.  Truly great NFL coaches do not preside over games like this one.

Poll
If no coaches are fired, will the Vikings make it to the NFC Championship game or Super Bowl next season, or will they be worse?
Same or better.
54 votes
In the playoffs, but 1 and done.
36 votes
They won't even make it to the playoffs.
49 votes

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Daily Norseman ...and new coaches from a different tree.

 

This was the 2nd game out of the last 3 that the Vikings lost badly to teams who were in the playoffs last year.

What do the Minnesota Vikings need?  I don't know the entire answer, but it probably ends with something like this:

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5 golden linemen
4 defensive backs
3 field goals
2 quarterbacks
...and new coaches from a different tree.

But in all seriousness, when will this organization wake up and realize that their guys in the secondary can't cover anybody?  Does it get worse than Matt Moore torching the team to the tune of a 120+ rating with 3 TDs and 0 INTs (his INT% had been unbelievably high in his career before last night's game).

I know there are lots of Chilly lovers and Chilly apologists out there, but further denial about the state of the secondary will become a firable offense, and the inability to game plan against Matt Moore is already a big strike against him.  He couldn't take Favre out of the game after he had decided to do it, so who IS coaching this team?

Brad Childress is probably better as a stewardess than as a Santa because he gave Vikings fans a lump of coal for the week of Christmas.  Thankfully, there could be a win in January instead, but given how few games the Panthers had won this year and how little @ss The Great Matt Moore had kicked in his career until he met Childress's, Frazier's and Bevell's Vikings, I will mail in my interest in the team until the playoffs.  I can't say for certain whether the coaches are doing all-time worst jobs or if the players are apparently mailing in the end of the season, but nothing points to a competent coaching staff.  Most of their wins should have happened based on the crappiness of the competition with any somewhat competent coaching staff.  I can't really think of one great win which was won by a wiley move by the coaching staff, and I'd love to be wrong about that.

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Assuming that the players grade out equally overall, which position should the Vikings address in the first round of the April of 2010 draft?
Cornerback
6 votes
OL
14 votes
LB
2 votes
Safety
14 votes
QB
7 votes
Other (please specify in comments)
3 votes

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Daily Norseman I found this on a friend's blog


I'd sum it up for you, but you wouldn't believe me.

The Saints really made something out of less than nothing and came from behind this week, according to that graphic.

I'm a Vikings fan through and through, but I don't think that many Vikings teams could have pulled that off, although I faintly recall a game in which Sean Salisbury had seemingly done everything he could to score -1 points.  I think it was this one.  Losing to Tampa Bay was almost the same as playing a negative game back then.

Onto another subject...

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Who do you blame most for the loss to the Cardinals?
Brett Favre for throwing those picks.
1 votes
AP for not establishing an effective running game, probably because he had spent all of his angst and aggressiveness on endangering peoples' lives on the highway instead of on the field.
2 votes
The OL for getting hurt and not protecting Favre.
5 votes
The D line for being invisible most of the game (except when Pat Williams was in coverage, as if that could ever be a good idea).
12 votes
The defensive backfield for allowing 15 catches for 241 yards and 3 TDs to Fitzgerald and Boldin alone.
11 votes
Childress for being outcoached and for playing his starters late in the game.
12 votes
Leslie Frazier for failing to stop the run or cover the Cardinal receivers.
6 votes
Darrell Bevell for failing to take advantage of a porous Arizona D.
1 votes

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Daily Norseman Week 11 Spreadsheet Power Rankings


This time, I ranked and awarded points (like fantasy baseball standings) in these categories: W-L%, Point Differential, W% vs. teams that are .500 or better (quality opponents) so far, % of games vs. quality opponents, and then added the # of wins vs. quality opponents.  The results may surprise you.

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On a scale of 1 to 5, how accurate do you think these rankings are?
1. Easily the least accurate I've ever seen.
8 votes
2. Not the worst, but these are terrible.
13 votes
3. Not the worst and more interesting than most, but c'mon.
22 votes
4. Accurate for the most part, but who cares about ___ (specify in comments, please)?
1 votes
5. A power ranking system that actually cares about strength of schedule and quality wins? It's about time!
6 votes

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