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McCovey Chronicles BBS III - The Reckoning. Taking on the Community Prospect List.

In this final edition of The Blind Baseball Scout we’ll compare P-Sabr’s 2011 rankings with Baseball America’s, discuss the rankings of all Giants hitters in 2011, and take a close look at some trends in prospecting.

Baseball America and P-Sabr agree on the Arizona League top prospect Yoan Alcantara, who received the second highest P-Sabr score (77) of 2011, though it should be noted that the Arizona League had the highest of all P-Sabr scores in 3 of the 6 years that all 5 leagues were run, suggesting that further downward weight due to league level and duration could be added to the system. 5 of the top 15 BBA hitters make up the top 6 P-Sabr ranked players (Alcantara, D’Andre Toney, Marco Hernandez, Alberth Martinez and Gioskar Amaya) though there’s no overlap in the rest of list. Historically less than 10% of all the position players in the league will make it to the majors, so either list will do well to pick 5 players. Giants who made the top 15 include league MVP and relative old man, Jose Cuevas who has an outside chance to become a poor-mans Matt Downs, whatever that means. Cuevas ranked 7th by P-Sabr standards and his teammate Kelby Tomlinson ranked 8th in the league.

In the Northwest League BBA and P-Sabr agreed on the top 2 position players being Joe Panik and Cory Spangenberg, though they diverged on their order with BBA ranking Spangenberg ahead of Panik. Of the 11 position players who were ranked by BBA, 7 of them made the top 11 of P-Sabr’s rankings (Panik, Spangenberg, Pin-Chieh Chen, Zeke DeVoss, Jesus Galindo, Donavan Tate, Rougned Odor). Joining Galindo and Panik in the P-Sabr top 10 was teammate Mike Murray, so here’s to hoping he can find a position.

No obsessed Giants fan and prospect hound was surprised to find zero Giants on BBA’s top ranked Sally League position players. P-Sabr didn’t find any either. Five players who made BBA’s top 15 position players also made P-Sabr’s list (Jurickson Profar, Christian Yelich, Brandon Jacobs, Marcell Ozuna and Jacob Realmuto). This did not include BBA’s top two prospects, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, who did not have enough At Bats to qualify for P-Sabr, though their third ranked prospect Jurickson Profar scored the highest P-Sabr score (83) of 2011.

Once again the top of both P-Sabr and BBA are similar, with both systems agreeing that Jedd Gyorko and Gary Brown were the number one and two position players in the league. Of the 15 position players ranked by BBA, 5 also made the P-Sabr top 15, Brown, Gyorko, Nolan Arenado, Michael Choice and Tommy Joseph. P-Sabr favored high contact hitters like Henry Roriguez (#3, P-Sabr score of 44) and Vincent Catricala (#5, P-S score of 41) to player like Chris Dominguez (#78, P-S score –77) who ranked as the 13th best position player in BBA’s rankings.

The Eastern league saw 1 Giant position player make the BBA top 12 position players (Francisco Peguero), but no Giant ranked above the Median in P-Sabr. The 2 systems agreed on 2 of the top three players in the league Anthony Gose and Travis D’Arnaud. Bryce Harper, who did not qualify for P-Sabr was replaced by Sterling Marte as the top player in the league.

Since this writing coincides with the McCoven Group community prospects list, I’ll post the P-Sabr top 35 hitters. This is a league-adjusted list, there’s nothing too scientific with this adjustment, so feel free to call B.S. I don’t care. The “adjustment” is I’ve given a bonus or penalty to the players league, and then another bonus or penalty depending on their quartile ranking in their overall league. All the information is there, and you’ve read this far in the third installment of this system, so you must be a geek…you figure it out.

League Rank

Player

P-Sabr Score

League

Adj. Score

2

Gary Brown

46

CAL

51

1

Joe Panik

68

NW

43

13

Tommy Joseph

16

CAL

21

7

Jose Cuevas

46

AZL

11

18

Adam Duvall

8

Sally

3

8

Kelby Tomlinson

34

AZL

-1

6

Jesus Galindo

23

NW

-2

51

Charlie Culberson

-40

EL

-5

51

Francisco Peguero

-40

EL

-5

26

Ehire Adrianza

-3

CAL

-8

10

Mike Murray

15

NW

-10

58

Roger Kieschnick

-46

EL

-11

18

Eric Sim

21

AZL

-16

15

Shawn Payne

5

NW

-20

14

Brett Krill

6

NW

-21

67

Juan Perez

-55

EL

-21

67

Johnny Monell

-55

EL

-21

23

Ben Thomas*

9

AZL

-24

40

Ryan Cavan

-22

CAL

-27

20

Joseph Staley

-6

NW

-31

39

Ryan Lollis*

-22

Sally

-37

46

Jarrett Parker*

-36

CAL

-41

91

Nick Noonan

-85

EL

-55

58

Carlos Willoughby

-41

Sally

-56

61

Josh Mazzola

-48

Sally

-63

93

Chris Dominguez

-93

EL

-63

68

Luke Anders*

-59

CAL

-64

50

Charles Jones

-43

NW

-68

48

Kaohi Downing

-41

NW

-76

74

Rafael Rodriguez

-62

Sally

-77

72

Nick Liles

-72

CAL

-77

56

Elliott Blair

-35

AZL

-80

81

Chris Dominguez

-77

CAL

-87

81

Chris Lofton

-69

Sally

-89

89

Devin Harris

-78

Sally

-98

Obviously the presence of Jose Cuevas at number four is a big “whaaaaaaa…?”, so there’s some work that needs to be done on grading the lower levels. But, aside from that, not so bad.

TRENDS

Now let’s take a look at some of P-Sabr’s historic trends and in prospecting trends in general.

First let’s look at top prospect Gary Brown. In the last 7 (2003-2010) years there have been 7 players that have had a P-Sabr score of 46 or more. 15 of those players have gone on to play in the majors, the best (by O-WAR) being Howie Kendrick, Pablo Sandoval, Erik Aybar and Billy Butler. So, the unscientific conclusion is that he’s got a 75% shot at being a major leaguer and a 20% shot at being a really good one – OK, I’ll take it.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

Score

Year/League

O-WAR

1

Josh Barfield

60

CAL 2003

1.3

2

Jason Bourgeois

54

CAL 2003

0.7

3

Josh Kroeger*

50

CAL 2003

-0.6

4

Jeff Mathis

47

CAL 2003

-1.9

1

Erick Aybar

67

CAL 2004

9.2

2

Jeff Salazar*

47

CAL 2004

-0.2

1

Billy Butler

61

CAL 2005

8.5

2

Howie Kendrick

61

CAL 2005

12.1

3

Eddy Martinez-Esteve

50

CAL 2005

1

Reid Brignac

57

CAL 2006

-0.3

1

Chris Nelson

50

CAL 2007

-0.6

2

Bubba Bell

49

CAL 2007

1

Pablo Sandoval

54

CAL 2008

11.6

2

Carlos Santana

47

CAL 2008

6.4

1

Alex Liddi

74

CAL 2009

0.4

2

Thomas Neal

70

CAL 2009

3

Tyson Gillies

66

CAL 2009

4

Trayvon Robinson

50

CAL 2009

-0.2

1

Kyle Seager

70

CAL 2010

0.8

2

Stephen Parker

57

CAL 2010

Now let’s take a look at some outliers, and their value as predictive measures.

The basic theory of P-Sabr is that what is good or acceptable in the sabermetric measurement of player value at the major league level, is not necessarily a good predictor at the minor league level. P-Sabr gives a bonus to age and penalizes low contact indicators like high K-rates an low BA. Here we’ll look at the outliers in K-rates and BB rates over three leagues, the AZL, the California and Eastern.

Here are the players with the outlying best BB% in the AZL (2003-2008) who have gone on to see ML action. That’s the top five ranked each year from 100 qualifying players.

P-Sabr Rank

Name

BB%

League

Year

2

Antoan Richardson

0.17460317

AZL

2005

Of the 35 outliers over a 5 year period only Richardson has seen Major League time. Since close to 10% of AZL hitters go on to see some ML time, this seems like a very small number and suggests that it is not valuable as a predictor of future value, though it is small sample size, so let’s just say that further investigation is warranted.

How about the other side of the BB% spectrum? Here are the future ML players who fell in the bottom (worst BB%) of the outlying spectrum.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

BB% (worst)

League

Year

3

Carlos Corporan

0.02380952

AZL

2003

3

Pablo Sandoval

0.02617801

AZL

2004

Not much better really, but the addition of Sandoval makes this list look a lot better in terms of value.

Now let’s look at K-Rates. Here are all the outliers of the players with the lowest K-Rates who have gone on to see ML time.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

K%

League

Year

1

Shane Costa

0.07954545

AZL

2003

1

Alexi Casilla

0.06134969

AZL

2004

3

Pablo Sandoval

0.0960452

AZL

2004

1

Michael Brantley*

0.07514451

AZL

2005

1

Matt Downs

0.05357143

AZL

2006

3

Alexi Amarista

0.0990099

AZL

2007

This is much more like it! 6 players of 35 who have gone on to see ML action, in a league where less than 10% of the hitters make it to the show, that’s a nice number. It looks as if at least at this lower level, the ability to make contact is a premium predictor. SSS of course, further investigation is required.

There have been zero players who have fallen in the bottom of the K% outliers who have gone on to see ML action, implying that the P-Sabr theory that high K-Rates (along with advanced age) are the biggest negative predictors in prospecting.

In the Cal league, where close to 30% of all the P-Sabr qualified players will go on to see Major League time the lists look a little fuller. Here are the outlying best BB-rates from 2003-2008.

Column1

Column2

BB%

Column4

Column5

1

Fred Lewis

0.15526802

CAL

2004

2

Mike Napoli

0.15068493

CAL

2004

2

Daric Barton

0.17174515

CAL

2005

4

Kila Ka'aihue

0.16033058

CAL

2005

2

Taylor Teagarden

0.17857143

CAL

2007

1

Carlos Santana

0.15898618

CAL

2008

The 2009 and 2010 season have seen four outliers thus far who have seen ML time, including Brandon Belt.

How about the bottom side of BB%?

P-Sabr Rank

Player

BB% (worst)

League

Year

5

Pablo Sandoval

0.03782506

CAL

2007

3

Carlos Peguero*

0.02597403

CAL

2008

4

Pedro Ciriaco

0.03202847

CAL

2008

5

Peter Bourjos

0.03486239

CAL

2008

I would expect as the sample grows larger to see more players on the higher end of the BB% spectrum to see ML time, but still this percentage does not imply that this outlier has great value in finding future major leaguers.

Now let’s look K-Rates.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

K%

League

Year

1

Jesus Feliciano*

0.07968127

CAL

2004

2

Jeff Salazar*

0.10509554

CAL

2004

3

Joaquin Arias

0.106

CAL

2004

4

Luis Cruz

0.109375

CAL

2004

1

Kevin Frandsen

0.07560137

CAL

2005

3

Blake DeWitt

0.12389381

CAL

2007

5

Pablo Sandoval

0.12967581

CAL

2007

4

Julio Borbon*

0.10309278

CAL

2008

5

Eric Sogard

0.11567164

CAL

2008

This percentage (26%) is much closer to a number that would indicate a positive predictive value, though outside of DeWitt and Sandoval, player value is thin at best. Nick Liles was 5th among outliers in 2011, while Gary Brown just missed the list at 6th.

Here’s the bottom of K-Rate outliers.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

K% (worst)

League

Year

3

Mike Napoli

0.34439834

CAL

2004

3

Chris Carter

0.3083004

CAL

2008

So, it appears that high K-Rates even in high A are very difficult to overcome as one moves up through the ranks, though here Napoli clearly benefits from being a BB% outlier as well.

In the Eastern League approximately 45% of the P-Sabr qualified players will go on to see ML action, though for most it will only be a cup of coffee. Here are the BB% rate outliers.

Rank

Name

BB%

League

Year

1

Kevin Youkilis

0.20623501

EL

2003

2

Anderson Machado

0.19963031

EL

2003

4

Gabe Gross

0.14016173

EL

2003

1

Craig Wilson

0.16666667

EL

2004

3

Justin Huber

0.1559322

EL

2004

4

Curtis Granderson

0.14466546

EL

2004

2

Kevin Thompson

0.14058355

EL

2005

3

Ryan Roberts

0.13784461

EL

2005

3

Curtis Thigpen

0.13941019

EL

2006

4

Kory Casto

0.13728814

EL

2006

3

Jed Lowrie

0.15931373

EL

2007

4

Jeff Larish

0.15647482

EL

2007

1

Lou Marson

0.1721519

EL

2008

Here 37% of our outliers went on to see action in the show, with Youkilis and Granderson being legitimate stars. How about negative walk rates?

P-Sabr Rank

Player

BB% (worst)

League

Year

3

Eider Torres

0.03180915

EL

2005

4

Jesus Feliciano*

0.04034582

EL

2005

4

Argenis Reyes

0.04572565

EL

2007

5

Luis Hernandez

0.04580153

EL

2007

Finally, we see as we graduate to higher levels a more traditional Sabermetric valuation play out as predictive measure.

Let’s look at K-Rates. Here we see that even at the higher levels, low K-rates seem to be a consistent predictor in finding future major leaguers.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

K%

League

Year

2

Andy Cannizaro

0.06504065

EL

2003

4

Chris Heintz

0.08856089

EL

2003

5

Joe Mauer

0.09057971

EL

2003

1

Jeff Keppinger

0.05135135

EL

2004

4

Andy Cannizaro

0.0945122

EL

2004

5

Joe Inglett

0.10526316

EL

2004

2

Dustin Pedroia

0.1015625

EL

2005

3

Jesus Feliciano*

0.10869565

EL

2005

4

Melvin Dorta

0.1127451

EL

2005

5

Don Kelly

0.13069909

EL

2005

2

Melvin Dorta

0.08415842

EL

2006

1

Robinzon Diaz

0.05315615

EL

2007

3

Luis Cruz

0.09066667

EL

2008

As with the positive BB-rates, there were 13 players and 2 legitimate stars in this list, Mauer and Pedroia.

Surprisingly (to me) the outliers of negative K-Rates also produced 13 Major Leaguers, though realistically they amount to Ryan Howard and 12 cups of coffee.

P-Sabr Rank

Player

K% (worst)

League

Year

4

Anderson Machado

0.28368794

EL

2003

5

Mitch Jones

0.28293737

EL

2003

1

Ryan Howard*

0.34491979

EL

2004

3

Mitch Jones

0.30645161

EL

2004

4

Walter Young

0.29835391

EL

2004

1

Jonathan Van Every*

0.39845758

EL

2005

3

Brad Snyder*

0.30921053

EL

2005

3

Brent Clevlen

0.34936709

EL

2006

3

Matthew Cepicky

0.30939227

EL

2007

2

Dusty Ryan

0.32094595

EL

2008

3

Travis Snider*

0.32044199

EL

2008

4

Wilkin Ramirez

0.3187067

EL

2008

5

Brad Harman

0.31151242

EL

2008

Well that’s it. Thanks for humoring me. If I can get it together, next I'll do a pitching system.


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McCovey Chronicles The Blind Baseball Scout II

In Part 2 of The Blind Baseball scout, we’ll look at how Giants prospects from 2009 & 2010 have stacked up according to P-Sabr with some league wide and BBA (Baseball America) comparisons. We’ll take a look at three leagues, The Sally, California and Eastern Leagues.

First the Sally League in 2009. Early returns are not good on the hitting prospects here, the league has produced only 7 Major League hitters (of those qualified for P-Sabr) and only one of those has a positive O-WAR (Ryan Lavarnway - #23 in P-Sabr rankings) as of yet. It’s far too early too pass judgment, but the eye test doesn’t seem to offer much hope either. Both P-Sabr and BBA agreed that the recently traded Derrick Norris was the best hitting prospect in the league, which even Billy Beane would probably admit has some major question marks. Two of P-Sabr’s top ten hitters have made it to the show (Jordan Pacheco and Steve Lombardozzi), while Tim Federowicz from BBA’s top list (DNQ in P-Sabr) has made it.

P-SABR

P-SABR Score

1

Derek Norris

42

2

Travis d'Arnaud

29

3

Anthony Gose*

29

4

Corban Joseph

28

5

Jordan Pacheco

27

6

Steve Lombardozzi

27

7

Scott Robinson

20

8

Jose Pirela

16

9

Jay Austin*

14

It wasn’t a pretty year for Giants hitters either. Only one current Giants prospect (Ehire Adrianza) had a P-Sabr score (-4) above the mean of –31.38. His score was good, for an overall ranking of #21. Other current prospects Charlie Culberson (P-Sabr score –38, ranking #60) and Wendell Fairley (-78, #88) placed below the mean.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

Sally-2009

Charlie Culberson

-38

Sally-2009

Ehire Adrianza

-4

Sally-2009

Wendell Fairley

-78

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In the Sally League 2010 rankings, there is a consensus on 2 of the top three prospects in P-Sabr and BBA rankings. They both agreed that Jonathan Singleton and Nolan Arenado were among the three best hitting prospects in the league, but P-Sabr pulled off a short-term coup finding Jose Altuve (one of only three eligible players to make the show thus far) as the second best prospect in the league. Altuve missed BBA’s rankings altogether. This top ten represents the only players with positive P-Sabr Scores in the league.

P-SABR

P-Sabr Score

1

Jonathan Singleton*

68

2

Jose Altuve

51

3

Nolan Arenado

47

4

J.P. Ramirez*

32

5

J.D. Martinez

32

6

Jake Goebbert*

13

7

Cesar Puello

13

8

Chris McGuiness*

13

9

Eury Perez

9

10

Jefry Marte

5

As for Giants prospects, all four relevant players scored above the P-Sabr mean score of –36.19. Of note, Ryan Cavan just missed out on the top ten, tied for eleventh in the rankings, and the only player to make BBA’s top list had the worst P-Sabr score of all Giants, Chris Dominguez. Liles ranked #20, Joseph #43 and Dominguez #45.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

Sally 2010

Ryan Cavan

0

Sally 2010

Nick Liles

-12

Sally 2010

Tommy Joseph

-24

Sally 2010

Chris Dominguez

-25

Now for a look at the Cal league 2009. 20 of all qualified players have gone to play MLB, 8 of those players were members of BBA’s top 12 Cal League hitting prospects, and 6 of those made the P-Sabr top 13. BBA liked the Giants prospects this year who placed four players in the BBA top list, while P-Sabr only had 2. This is also the year that Buster Posey ranked at the top of BBA’s chart, and to this point he’s clearly the best player to come out of the league in 2009. In this instance showed P-Sabr once again showed its weakness in projecting catchers and ranked Buster as only the 6th best prospect in the league.

P-SABR

P-Sabr score

1

Alex Liddi

74

2

Thomas Neal

70

3

Tyson Gillies

66

4

Trayvon Robinson

50

5

Koby Clemens

35

6

Buster Posey

31

7

Matthew Sweeney

27

8

Logan Forsythe

20

9

James Darnell

12

10

Grant Desme

12

11

Scott Van Slyke

11

12

James McOwen

10

13

Jason Castro

10

Of the 8 Giants ranked, 6 ranked above the P-Sabr mean of -41.94. I’ve included Brian Bocock, because hey – He’s Brian Bocock! He’s the man with the 94th worst offensive performance in the Cal League 2009 according to P-Sabr.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

Cal 2009

Thomas Neal

70

Cal 2009

Buster Posey

31

Cal 2009

Conor Gillaspie

6

Cal 2009

Nick Noonan

-6

Cal 2009

Roger Kieschnick

-11

Cal 2009

Darren Ford

-11

Cal 2009

Angel Villalona

-42

Cal 2009

Brian Bocock

-110

From the 2010 Cal league, 8 qualifying players have made the show thus far, but this does not include Mike Trout, who BBA considered the best prospect in the league as well as all of baseball. Three of BBA’s top hitters, including Trout have made the Majors as have three of P-Sabr’s. On both lists are Paul Goldschmidt and Brandon Belt, but P-Sabr concluded that the best prospect was Kyle Seager, who didn’t appear in BBA’s rankings.

Rank

P-SABR

P-Sabr Score

1

Kyle Seager

70

2

Stephen Parker

57

3

Johermyn Chavez

42

4

Brandon Belt*

42

5

Grant Green

41

6

Daniel Robertson

38

7

Cole Figueroa

31

8

Charlie Culberson

28

9

Vincent Belnome

25

10

Paul Goldschmidt

25

11

Rich Poythress

25

12

Marc Krauss

19

13

Cody Decker

17

14

Davis Stoneburner

17

15

Juan Perez

16

It was a good year for the San Jose Giants in 2010 and 6 of the 8 players who qualified finished with a P-Sabr score above the Mean of -39.71.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

Cal 2010

Brandon Belt*

42

Cal 2010

Charlie Culberson

28

Cal 2010

Juan Perez

16

Cal 2010

Francisco Peguero

2

Cal 2010

Johnny Monell

-6

Cal 2010

Jose Flores

-20

Cal 2010

Ehire Adrianza

-42

Cal 2010

Wendell Fairley

-65

The Eastern League of 2009 has produced 30 players who have gone on to play in the majors. This does not include 8 of the 12 players in BBA’s top rankings who did not qualify for the P-Sabr system. This included some very good young players including Pedro Alvarez, Jesus Montero, Dominic Brown, Wilson Ramos, Ike Davis, Jose Tabata, Scott Sizemore, and Brandon Snyder. Nevertheless, the top 6 players found by P-Sabr have gone on to see time in the majors.

Rank

P-SABR

P-Sabr Score

1

Michael Taylor

55

2

Carlos Santana

44

3

Eduardo Nunez

40

4

Ruben Tejada

38

5

Josh Thole

38

6

Ryan Kalish*

32

7

Reegie Corona

25

8

Nick Weglarz*

24

9

Rene Tosoni

20

10

Alex Avila

19

11

Josh Reddick

18

12

David Cooper*

15

13

Ryan Strieby

12

14

Brock Bond

7

15

Brett Pill

3

It was a good year for Major league prospects, but not necessarily Giants prospects. Of the 5 relevant Giants, three had a P-Sabr score above the League mean of –40.9, but the shine is all but gone on all save 2 of them.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

EL 2009

Brock Bond

7

EL 2009

Brett Pill

3

EL 2009

Mike McBryde

-11

EL 2009

Eddy Martinez-Esteve

-15

EL 2009

Brandon Crawford

-50

The Eastern League of 2010 thus far has seen an incredible 35 P-Sabr qualified players who have gone on to see Major League time. That says something of the depth of the league, but the jury is still out on the top tier talent. Nine of the top ten players ranked by BBA have gone on to see Major League time, most notably Brandon Belt, who did not qualify for P-Sabr and Dominic Brown was ranked number 1 by both systems. Eight of the top Eleven P-Sabr ranked players have seen action in the show and at this point the best player found by P-Sabr not ranked by BBA seems to be Ben Revere.

Rank

P-SABR

P-Sabr Score

1

Domonic Brown*

58

2

Brandon Laird

33

3

Chris Marrero

31

4

Thomas Neal

29

5

Che-Hsuan Lin

26

6

Lonnie Chisenhall

26

7

Anthony Rizzo*

25

8

Yamaico Navarro

25

9

Kirk Nieuwenhuis

20

10

Ben Revere

20

11

Jason Kipnis

19

12

Matt Rizzotti*

19

Only two Giants ranked above the league mean P-Sabr score of –40.94, and the best rated Giant is now an Indian.

Lg/Year

Giants

P-Sabr Score

EL 2010

Thomas Neal

29

EL 2010

Conor Gillaspie

-6

EL 2010

Darren Ford

-57

EL 2010

Brandon Crawford

-60

EL 2010

Nick Noonan

-73

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McCovey Chronicles The Blind Baseball Scout

One of my favorite topics on the McCovey Chronicles is Minorlines and the debate on the potential of Giants prospects, but since I live on the east coast and nowhere near Richmond or Augusta I’m limited in my ability to assess prospects via the old-fashioned eye test. Aside from a few college At-Bats and the scouting videos on the internet, I suspect I’m like most of us, I get my information from the typical sources, Baseball America, John Sickels et. al. I’ve often thought it would be cool to have a sabermetric system of grading prospects, so I finally got off my butt and did what any industrious McCoven would do an made one.

So, here’s The Blind Baseball Scout, which we’ll refer to as P-SABR (if you can think of something better, please let me know). Today we’ll look at some historical comparisons of P-SABR versus Baseball America’s top hitters (there’s no P-SABR for Pitchers yet) by league (AZ, NW, SALLY, CAL and EL) from 2003 to 2008.

I should note that P-SABR is meant to be a quick and dirty analysis tool, and has some obvious drawbacks. It’s compiled using players with the top 100 plate appearances in the league, so some “hot” prospects who are promoted mid-season don’t qualify for P-SABR due to its sample size constraints. An example of this in 2011 would be Bryce Harper, who made two lists for Baseball America, but did not qualify for P-SABR due to too few plate appearances in both the Sally and Eastern League.

Here are some significant players selected by Baseball America between 2003-2008 who did not qualify for P-SABR due to too few plate appearances.

Non-Qualified players found by BBA

Year

League

Asdrubal Cabrera

2005

Cal

Chris Coughlin

2007

Sally

David Wright

2004

EL

Ian Desmond

2005

Sally

Jacoby Ellsbury

2006

EL

Jarrod Saltalamacchia

2004

Sally

Jason Kubel

2004

EL

Justin Upton

2007

Cal

Matt Wieters

2008

EL

Nate Schierholtz

2004

Sally

Nick Markakis

2005

EL

Nick Swisher

2003

Cal

Nolan Reimold

2007

EL

Pablo Sandoval

2008

EL

Ryan Braun

2005

Sally

Ryan Zimmerman

2005

EL

Stephen Drew

2005

Cal

Yunel Escobar

2005

Sally

While this sample size demand appears to be a considerable limitation, P-SABR seems to be adept at finding players that Baseball America overlooks as well. Here are some players that appear on P-SABR’s rankings, but did not make Baseball America’s top lists (by league).

Players found by P-Sabr, Not BBA

Year

League

Carlos Gomez

2005

Sally

Dan Uggla

2003

Cal

David Murphy*

2005

EL

Kevin Kouzmanoff

2004

Sally

Logan Morrison*

2007

Sally

Martin Prado

2004

Sally

Matt Downs

2007

NWL

Matt Kemp

2004

Sally

Melky Cabrera*

2005

EL

Michael Brantley

2006

Sally

Michael Brantley*

2005

AZL

Mike Fontenot

2003

EL

Nate McLouth

2004

EL

Nick Markakis

2004

Sally

Ryan Raburn

2004

EL

There are also players that P-SABR just did not rate high enough to make its list. The first thing you’ll notice about these eleven players is that 5 of them are (or in the case of Pablo, were) catchers, others like Span, Bourne and Bourjos owe a good to significant proportion of their value to their defensive skills, which represent two areas of potential improvement to the P-SABR system, Positional and defensive valuations. As it stands now, P-SABR has no way of accounting for a prospect potential value based on position or defensive skill.

Adam Jones

2003

AZL

Brian McCann

2003

Sally

Chase Headley

2005

NWL

Chris Ianetta

2005

Cal

Denard Span

2005

EL

Michael Bourne

2005

EL

Miguel Montero

2005

Cal

Nick Hundley

2005

NWL

Pablo Sandoval

2004

AZL

Peter Bourjos

2008

Cal

Ryan Howard

2004

EL

Over the next couple of days we’ll look at comparisons of Giants prospects over the last few years, and then take a look at what P-SABR thinks of Giants prospects of 2011. But first here’s the statistical paper that analyzes P-SABR, complete with hypothesis testing and explanations of the grading system – so be warned –Geeks only!

The Blind Baseball Scout

Abstract

The Blind Baseball Scout (P-SABR) is a Sabermetric model that measures minor league production with the goal of predicting a players future value as, and likelihood to become a Major League Ballplayer. The P-SABR assigns points to players across 9 different statistical areas, the sum of which produces a total score for the entire season. The top players represent the players with the highest scores. In order to test this model the results have been compared against the top hitting prospects from Baseball America (BBA), the nations leading scouting publication, using the proportion of players who make the Major Leagues and the population of “top players” mean WAR value as measurements of value from both systems. P-SABR was run from 2003 to 2008 in five select leagues, the Arizona Rookie league, The Northwest Rookie League, The Sally League, The California League and the Eastern League and compared to BBA’s results. The results of both systems were analyzed statistically on the basis of proportion of players who made the major leagues. The populations of both methods were then tested based on their mean “WAR” value (based on WAR {Wins over replacement}, a Sabermetric valuation of individual players). Both comparisons were tested by the hypothesis that P-SABR would be equal to BBA in finding future major leaguers and forecasting the value of those players at a 98% confidence level, with the alternative hypothesis being that they will not be equal.

Introduction

The goal of this project is to determine a viable process in applying the use of sabermetric data in projecting the future performance and value of minor league prospects.

Sabermetrics is generally considered an effective and objective method in the valuation of Major League Baseball player performance, however because of a number of factors it is not nearly as reliable in predicting the future performance of Minor League players. This process will attempt to address the factors that make the application of sabermetrics to minor league performance ineffective by giving specific skills, flaws and factors greater weight in order to bring equilibrium to the players performance.

In order to measure the effectiveness of this system, I will test the hypothesis that this system is equal Baseball America, the nations leading scouting publication, by comparing their top hitting prospects from 2003 to 2008 in five select leagues, the Arizona Rookie league, The Northwest Rookie League, The Sally League, The California League and the Eastern League to this system. I will compare proportions of ranked players who go on to see Major League playing time in both systems, as a test of proportion. I will also compare the value of those players who made it to the major leagues based on their Offensive WAR (Wins Above Replacement) value as a test of means. In this later test, the mean (WAR value) of both systems will be taken for both systems.

The aforementioned variables that make Minor League predictions so difficult are age, where “very young players, as a whole, return 25 percent more value than expected by their draft slots” (Rany Jazayerli), Strike-out rates , where “it appears as though the success rates for prospect development drop sharply when strikeout rates hit about 22%.” (Minorleagueball.com). Then there are the more traditionally acknowledged variables like Walk Rates, Batting Average, Extra-Base Hit percentage, Home Run Percentage, On Base Percentage. There’s also my own metric Stolen Base Efficiency, which attempts to project the value of a hitters speed and running ability. The best performers in each category are assigned a score, which decreases towards zero incrementally as we reach the median, once the median is reached scores progress negatively incrementally towards the worst performers.

The data will be obtained from Baseball-reference minor league data sorted by Plate Appearances. The top 100 plates appearances will be each sample. This will be used to ensure the largest possible sample sizes. This has the advantage of eliminating top performers who do it over relatively short periods of time, the disadvantage is that sometimes really good prospects spend a short time in a given league because of good performance, are promoted to another league and (consequently) will be undefined under this system.

Notes on the data compilation

Page 1 is the source data compiled from Baseball-reference. Com

Page 2 is the age of the players. As mentioned above age is one of the two primary factors in this approach. Previous research from Bill James and Rany Jazayerli are central to the theory, which states, “The younger the player, the greater the slope of the curve—meaning the greater the rate at which he improves” (Javeri, Rani. taken from the web) It is for this reason that age is weighted so heavily in this model.

AGE

Score

17

40

18

35

19

30

20

20

21

-3

22

-15

23

-20

24

-30

25

-35

As you see here players that who are younger than the mean are given points strictly on the basis of the basis of their age. The farther below the mean the greater the positive score, and conversely the greater the age above the mean the greater the negative score.

Players who are at the mean are given a small negative score. This is primarily because they are often (in this league) college players who have experience that is potentially at or above the level of the league.

This weighting system based on age and the weighting system based on K% are the only pieces that will change from league to league. At the lower levels (NW league and AZ league) older players are given a greater disadvantage (negative score), this is based on the theory that their advanced age and experience is an even greater advantage when the competition is so young and inexperienced. Players with higher strike out rates at lower levels are also given a greater disadvantage (negative score) at the lower levels, based on the assumption that the inability to make contact will be a further hindrance at higher levels when the competition is stiffer.

Page 3 is a simple effort to manage sample size. Sample size plays a very important role in this experiment, as it is the basis of the population selected (the top 100 players based on # of Plate Appearances) and it potentially a major weakness in the hypothesis. It is common for organizations to promote their players who are performing well to a higher league, which often mean that those players (good performers) won’t eligible for this method. We will see many players in Baseball America’s (BBA) top rankings who do not qualify for this method.

Mean PA

468.33

Plate App.

Score

x-525

7

524-475

3

474-425

0

424-375

-5

374-x

-10

A small positive is given for players who have the most PA’s and a small deduction is given to those who have the fewest. This theorizes that the more PA’s one has the better one’s performance will represent ones talent. The mean should fall somewhere in the middle and will be given no bonus or deduction.

Pages 4, 5 and 8 are measurements of one very important measure of value, the ability to not make an out. As Bill James said “the difference between winning teams….is the difference between ‘outs’ and ‘runners on base’ “(James, Bill, The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, 2001, The Free Press. Page 642), these three statistics attempt to measure this skill. First is Batting Average (BA).

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Mean BA *

=

Score

1.25

0.3297125

17

1.2

0.316524

13

1.175

0.30992975

10

1.15

0.3033355

7

1.1

0.290147

3

1

0.26377

0

0.95

0.2505815

-5

0.9

0.237393

-10

0.85

0.2242045

-15

0.8

0.211016

-20

0.75

0.1978275

-25

Averages that are at the mean are credited with 0 and are progressively (i.e. Mu + 10% =3) awarded point as players are above the mean.

The next measurement is on base percentage (OBP), where we see a similar grading system where the highest points are gained above Mu + 20%.

Mu ( x) + Mu

X

=

Score

0.2

0.3987

15

0.17

0.3887325

13

0.13

0.3754425

10

0.1

0.365475

7

0.07

0.3555075

5

0.03

0.3422175

3

Mu

0.332

0

-0.03

0.3222825

-5

-0.07

0.3089925

-10

-0.1

0.299025

-15

-0.13

0.2890575

-20

-0.17

0.2757675

-25

And lastly, there is BB%, which measures the percentage of walks a player takes per plate appearance. “1” represent Mu * 1.

Mu (x)

=

Score

1.65

0.13645191

10

1.4

0.11577738

7

1.25

0.10337266

5

1.1

0.09096794

3

1

0.08269813

0

0.9

0.07442832

-3

0.75

0.0620236

-5

0.6

0.04961888

-7

0.45

0.03721416

-10

0.25

0.02067453

-15

Next on page 6 and 7 we have two measurements of power hitting ability. Extra-base hit percentage (XBH%) and Home Run percentage (HR%).

XBH%

Mu (x) + Mu

X

=

Score

0.5

0.124798452

15

0.45

0.120638504

13

0.3

0.108158658

10

0.15

0.095678813

7

0.05

0.087358916

3

Mu

0.0832

0

-0.05

0.07903902

-3

-0.15

0.070719123

-7

-0.25

0.062399226

-10

-0.35

0.054079329

-15

-0.45

0.045759432

-20

-0.5

0.041599484

-25

HR%

X

Mu (x) =

Score

3.5

0.06884643

15

2.75

0.05409362

13

2

0.03934082

10

1.5

0.02950561

7

1.25

0.02458801

3

1

0.01967041

0

0.9

0.01770337

-3

0.75

0.01475281

-7

0.6

0.01180224

-10

0.5

0.0098352

-15

0

0

-20

On page nine we have Strike-out percentage (K%). Thanks to the work of RedSoxFaithful we have a sense that as K-rates in prospects increase, their chance for major leagues success goes down. ( Minorleagueball.com ) This is how we’ll weigh Strike Outs in our model in the higher leagues (Sally, Cal & Eastern).

X

Mu (x) =

Score

0.45

0.10074501

15

0.55

0.12313279

13

0.65

0.14552057

10

0.75

0.16790835

5

0.95

0.21268391

0

1

0.2238778

-3

1.1

0.24626558

-10

1.2

0.26865336

-20

1.35

0.30223503

-30

1.5

0.3358167

-35

On Page ten we have an attempt to measure speed as a tool for success. This is not really attempt to measure how well one can steal bases, it works on the theory that a player who has potentially valuable speed will be asked to steal often and will have some measured success (Stolen Bases), so this is not the percentage of successful stolen bases, this stolen bases divided by Plate Appearance. The negative grading is significantly less in this instance because, while speed can be a valuable tool, its absence is not necessarily equally a detriment.

X

Mu (x) =

Score

4

0.11559657

25

3.5

0.101147

20

2.75

0.07947264

10

1.75

0.0505735

7

1.35

0.03901384

3

1

0.02889914

0

0.9

0.02600923

-3

0.75

0.02167436

-5

0.5

0.01444957

-7

0.25

0.00650231

-10

You’ll notice that in virtually all of these points systems the distribution is weighted heavier on the negative side, or one gets penalized more performing below or at the mean than one gets rewarded for performing above the mean. This is meant to help create a negative linear (or logistical?) model which results in markedly fewer players having a positive rating than players with a negative rating, based on the simple fact that more players will fail to make to the next level than players who move on and eventually become major leaguers. This chart is exemplary of this principle.

(For some reason I am unable to insert my graph here- sorry!)

Sample Size

As mentioned before, sample size weighs heavily in this system. Without the benefit eyes to see (a players movement, physicality and swing) and ears to hear (a coaches or scouts observations or fears) P-SABR is at significant disadvantage. Sample size represents a factor that we can attempt to account for. As an example, here are the top hitters from the Eastern League 2006 –

BBA Top Hitters

WAR

P-SABR

WAR

1

Adam Lind

4.7

Carlos Gomez

1.3

2

Jacoby Ellsbury

DNQ

12

Brandon Moss

-1.2

3

Carlos Gomez

1.3

Kevin Kouzmanoff

5.1

4

Trevor Crowe

DNQ

-1

Adam Lind*

4.7

5

Kevin Kouzmanoff

5.1

Gary Burnham*

0

6

Kory Casto

-1

Nate Schierholtz

1.7

7

Alexi Casilla

DNQ

2.6

Jeff Fiorentino

0.5

8

Kory Casto

-1.4

9

Luis Antonio Jimenez*

0

10

Chad Spann

0

In this example, only 7 hitters this year made BBA rankings for the top 20 players of the league and 3 of those players (Elsbury, Crowe and Casila) did not qualify for the P-SABR system due to an insufficient amount of Plate Appearances. There are two ways we can deal with this, one, remove the players who would not qualify for P-SABR and compare only those top players who qualify (4 players), or two, expand the P-SABR sample to account for this sample size factor. The later was chosen because it is potentially a better test of P-SABR’s value, where potentially P-Sabr can find a greater proportion of MLB players (n=10) or lesser proportion, as in this case, where BBA had all (7) of their selections make it to the major leagues and P-SABR had only 70%. It also expands the population in determining mean value (WAR), where in this case BBA selections have a mean value of 3.36 (WAR) and P-SABR a 1.07 (WAR) thus far in their respective careers.

Conclusion

After testing the data it’s evident that P-SABR has some real value in finding and projecting the value of minor league players. Two sample Hypothesis tests for proportion and mean were run on each league at a 95% confidence intervals, then run on all the data combined at a 98% confidence interval, where the final P values were .0004 for proportion (rejected proportion) and .0217 (failed to reject mean), suggesting that while BBA is better at finding players who will become MLB players, P-SABR finds enough players who have value as future MLB players to suggest that the system has potential.

The null hypothesis of proportional equality was rejected in 2 out of 5 leagues, the California League and the Northwest league as well as in the overall conclusion. Clearly, BBA has an advantage in selecting players who are most likely to become Major league ball players, finding 226 future major leaguers out of a sample of 351, while P-SABR found only 213 out of 412.

In the testing of mean, the null hypothesis of equality was rejected once in the Eastern league, but failed to reject overall. This suggests that P-SABR has some value in identifying players who may have been overlooked by BBA and their system. The Mean WAR for all players selected by BBA was 2.75, while it was 1.8 for P-SABR, suggesting that there’s also room for improvement in the system.

It is also clear that there are areas that P-SABR could be improved, most notably a positional ranking, as the players that were most likely overlooked by P-SABR had positional values (i.e. catcher or middle infielder) that should have raised their overall value when compared to their peers. The most illustrative example of this would be Brian McCann (Sally league 2003), who ranked 11th in P-SABR’s system and 8th in BBA’s, but has gone on to be a 21.7 WAR player thus far in his career.

Since P-SABR is limited to analyzing a players potential value as a hitter, the expansion to a more rounded approach is recommendable. One way to attempt to account for a players future defensive value is to include positional rankings, by providing a scale of value for a players defensive position, such as 20 points for a catcher, 10 points for a Shortstop and Center fielder, 5 points for a second baseman, 0 for a Third baseman, -5 Left and Right Fielders and –10 for First baseman.

References

1-James, Bill, The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, 2001, The Free Press. Page 642


2(http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/4/22/2123847/the-significance-of-minor-league-k-rates. By Redsoxfaithful


3- http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15295#commentMessage

by Rany Jazeyleri.


4- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2004, 2004, Simon & Schuster


5- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2005, 2005, Simon & Schuster


6- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2006, 2006, Simon & Schuster


7- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2007, 2007, Simon & Schuster


8- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2008, 2008, Simon & Schuster


9- Baseball America, The Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2009, 2009, Simon & Schuster

Hypothesis test of 2 means

Mu 1

Mu 2

P-SABR WAR

BBA WAR

Mu

1.79782082

2.75156695

StDev

5.0269922

6.11363269

Claim µ1 = µ2

Test Statistic, t: -2.3287

Critical t: ±2.33186

P-Value: 0.0202

Degrees of freedom: 677.7948

98% Confidence interval:

-1.90931 < µ1-µ2 < 0.0013097

Fail to Reject the Null Hypothesis

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Sample does not provide enough evidence to reject the claim


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McCovey Chronicles Brock Bond versus....

In honor of BA's Eastern league top twenty tomorrow....Let's play the prospect comparison game!

 

I suspect it's a long shot Brock Bond makes the list, but if he does it would be in the 15-20 range. I was looking for historic comps by age and league, here's one I found. He was 23 like Bond, but the numbers are over three different leagues, the highest level being 200 PA's in the Eastern league.

 

135 games/ 481 AB's/ 149 H's / 31 2B / 8 HR / 93 BB / 63 SO / .310/.436/.424

 

Here's a link to Brock Bond's numbers.

Brock Bond

 

 

Answer Friday.

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McCovey Chronicles SJ Giants Lineup is here.

http://www.sjgiants.com/playerlist.aspx?SecID=43

 

 

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McCovey Chronicles Merkin is Back

Rehab has begun. In the Dominican League.

http://www.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Merkin%20Valdez&pos=P&sid=l131&t=p_pbp&pid =429723

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