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Steven Ellingson

Dec 22, 2009 Jun 02, 2012 18 1584

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Quite a bit different than TT's list. Mostly because rotten tomatoes is just counting down the best reviewed movies that happened to be about baseball. So something like "sugar" is above The Sandlot. Interesting list nonetheless.

about 1 year ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 4 comments

Good stuff here. Well reasoned, well written, and funny! If only Ruesse could learn a thing or two from his friend Poz.

about 1 year ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments 1 recs

Twinkie Town Liriano and inefficiency (part one)

There has been a lot of talk about Liriano being inefficient, and this is commonly cited as a reason why he isn't in the upper tier of starting pitchers.

The first problem with this argument, is that Liriano isn't really that inefficient.  He is solidly in the top half of the league when it comes to pitches per inning.  I posted this on a thread, but here is a list (not a complete list) of pitchers who are less inefficient than Liriano.  

 

John Danks
Rick Porcello
Dan Haren
Matt Garza
Edwin Jackson
David Price
Gavin Floyd
Jon Lester
Cole Hamels
Tommy Hanson
Tim Lincecum
Ubaldo Jiminez
Josh Johnson
Justin Verlander
John Lackey
Gio Gonzalez
Phil Hughes

That's a pretty good list of pitchers.  Noone would dare say that Tim Lincecum, Ubaldo Jiminez, and Josh Johnson aren't "aces" because of their inefficiency, would they?

The only reason why he has the label of a guy who doesn't pitch into games, is because Gardy is very strict with pitch counts.  This SHOULD NOT be held against Liriano.  This is the same for all pitchers on the staff.

Even when we take into account his innings pitched, he is still really close to many of the "aces" of the league.  Sometimes when we look at innings pitched, we forget that the difference between 6.3 IP and 6.7 IP is just one out.  So I converted all qualified pitcher's IP/GS to number of outs.  Liriano, on average got 19 outs per start.  

Here is a list of qualified pitchers averaged 19 outs per start: (this, unlike the first list, IS complete)

Francisco Liriano
Chad Billingsley
C.J. Wilson
Clay Buchholz
Jason Vargas
Joe Blanton
Colby Lewis
Shaun Marcum
Max Scherzer
Cole Hamels
Hiroki Kuroda
Ryan Dempster
Randy Wolf
Mark Buehrle
Fausto Carmona
Matt Garza
Clayton Kershaw
Livan Hernandez
Dallas Braden
Tim Lincecum
Ted Lilly

Only one guy that most would call an "ace," but some very good pitchers on that list.  What about the guys who got one more out than Liriano?

Jon Lester
John Lackey
Bronson Arroyo
Edwin Jackson
Jeremy Guthrie
Trevor Cahill
Josh Johnson
Ricky Romero
Roy Oswalt
Jered Weaver
John Danks
R.A. Dickey
Zack Greinke
David Price
Ubaldo Jimenez
Tim Hudson
Dan Haren
Chris Carpenter
Ervin Santana
Matt Cain
Brett Myers
Justin Verlander

Hard to argue with that list.  Some of the very best pitchers in the league, Cy Young winners, staff aces.  Also, R.A. Dickey!  

So is that what's keeping Liriano from "ace" status?  One out?  

Poll
If Liriano would have gotten one more out per game last year, would he have been an ace?
Yes, because he was anyway.
78 votes
Yes, that one out would have shown that he was a workhorse, and wasn't such a selfish jerk.
11 votes
No, because true aces throw at least 7 innings per start. Note: By selecting this answer, you are saying that the list of "aces" is a list of 3.
8 votes
No, because I watch the games, and Liriano just doesn't look like an ace. I have also watched 10+ starts of the pitchers that I would rank ahead of him, to make sure they don't also have these undesirable qualities.
13 votes

110 votes | Poll has closed

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Canis Hoopus The Wolves and Preseason: A Statistician's perspective

 

There has been a lot of talk about the Wolves’ hot start, and how much we should buy into it.  I have seen a few studies done on the subject, but none quite as thorough as I’d like.  You could certainly go FURTHER than I have here, but I think this is about as far as you need to go on a subject like this.  The first thing you should know, before you read any further, is that I am a statistician, not a writer.  I’m not going to trick you into thinking I’m referring to Mike Beasley, when I’m talking about Carmello Anthony like Oceanary.  I’m not going to compare the preseason to Bob Dylan albums, like SnP.  I’m going to go through my process, and state my conclusions at the bottom.  For those of you who hate numbers (I’m looking at you, TimAllen), I’d skip the meat of this, and go right to the conclusions.  Even if you are mathematically inclined, you still might want to skip to the end, because, as I said, my skill does not lie in writing entertaining pieces.  (As if a piece on multivariable regression could EVER be entertaining!)

Goals

To explore how well preseason record predicts season record, after taking account last season’s record, and last season’s preseason record.

To use this to predict the Wolves’ season record, and give a prediction interval  (similar to a confidence interval) for this record.

Poll
Approximately what percentage of this post did you read before scrolling to the bottom?
100% (You and I should be friends)
94 votes
75% (Good effort. I'm not sure I would have read this much)
47 votes
50% (I'm sure you got the general idea)
44 votes
25%
63 votes
0% (I know I'm not as entertaining as Ming, but C'mon. You didn't even read the intro? )
26 votes
This is the worst poll in the history of Canis Hoopus
19 votes

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Canis Hoopus Johnson vs Turner

Well, the Johnson vs. Cousins thing sure has been beat to death.  And really, how much can you talk about Character issues, team fit, etc. before your head explodes? 

With all of Johnson's red flags, I thought it would be interesting to compare him to someone who is thought of much more highly - Evan Turner.  Now, I think that Turner is the better prospect, and would have taken him if I got the choice.  But I don't think the difference is as pronounced as some are making it seem.

We know what Johnson's red flags are - age, lack of ballhandling ability, only good, not great production in college.  But I feel that Turner has some pretty large ones also, that seem to be glossed over quite frequently.  Here they are:

 

1. Athleticism.  This has been talked about a lot, but then someone mentions Brandon Roy, and it gets forgotten.  The problem with this is two-fold: players like Brandon Roy and Paul Pierce are the exception, not the rule.  We constantly see this when white players come up - as so many unathletic white college stars have failed in the NBA - but it tends to be glossed over with unathletic black players.  Also, Brandon Roy's combine numbers were very good.  He had 6 inches on Turner in both no-step and max vertical.  It isn't a good sign when a player who is thought of as unathletic by NBA standards has 6 inches in vertical on you.

2.  Outside shot.  Of the unathletic players that have made it in the NBA, they tend to have one thing in common - ability to stretch the defense with their outside shot.  Now, Turner appears to have good form, and as a hard worker, I think most expect him to be at least a proficient 3-point shooter, but at the moment, he isn't.  Below average athleticism AND a below average outside shot is a combination few have overcome to become impact players.

3. Position.  This isn't a big deal, but I thought I'd mention it.  He basically played point all year for Ohio State.  Most assume he'll transition smoothly to moving over to shooting guard, but it doesn't always happen like that.  He might not mesh will with Ball-dominant point guards, as we've never really seen what he can do without the ball in his hands.

4. Fit.  I know. I know.  I know.  BPA!  BPA!  BPA!  But still, like it or not, Kahn is building this team around Rubio, and is surrounding him with guys who will thrive in transition and can knock down outside shots when they get them.  Now, Turner would probably be fine in a transition-based offense, with his court vision and passing ability, but he does look like he's more suited for a half-court set.   He would look really good next to Flynn, as he could make up for some of Flynn's deficiencies, but the fit next to Rubio, and in a run and gun offense, is less clear. 

5.  Age.  For all the talk about Johnson's age, he is just one year older than Turner.  A year is a year, but it's not like Turner is a 19 year old or anything. 

 

So, there you have it.  As I said at the top, I still think that Turner is the better prospect, as his combination of talents are extremely unique, and a lot of the good things that are said about Johnson also hold true for him: nice guy, hard worker, etc.  But it isn't like we went from Shaquille O'Neal to Christian Laettner when we dropped from 2 to 4.  Both guys are very good prospects, but both have some major flaws that need to be addressed if they're ever going to be stars in this league.  And, the guy we got does fit in better with what our organization is trying to do, whether or not you agree that what they are trying to do is actually what they SHOULD be doing. 

 

So, that was all a long way of saying that I've decided to be a member of the Wesley Snipes fanclub.  Who's with me?


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Catcher defensive metrics are still in the dark ages, but it's nice to see the current Twins catcher on the first list, and an infamous former Twins catcher (who could that be?!) on the second list. Basically - Stuff we all ready knew....

about 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments

This mainly affects Red Sox players, but Cuddyer also gets a boost. I don't remember what his defensive numbers were before, but I think he got about 6 runs boost for last years' defense.

Also you can see that the +/- system likes Cuddy and Delmon more than UZR. It looks like we might have a "bad" defensive outfield, instead of a "horrible" one.

Cuddyer's Fangraphs Page

Delmon's Fangraphs Page

about 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 1 comment

White Sox fans get really mad when you tell them Peavy is their fourth-best pitcher, for whatever reason. If you are brothers with one, like I am, I recommend reminding them of this fact often.

about 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments 1 recs

Beyond the Box Score Spring Training Statistics?

Hey,

 

I was going to do a project for a class on spring training, and was looking for some data.  Does anyone know where I can get stats for the past few spring training seasons?  I'm looking for individual player stats, for both hitters and pitchers.  Nothing too extravagant, just the basic stats will be sufficient.  Downloadable in any format would be nice.   Thanks!

l l l l l l l l l l

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Apparantly the stat guys like Ben Revere a lot. Here's how our guys rank:
#26 Hicks
#35 Sano
#46 Revere
#65 Ramos
#71 Gibson

about 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 1 comment

He has our Twins winning the Central by 5 games, though with only an 87-75 record. A couple of things to note: he explicitly says that he is just basing this on the talent of the starters. I think he also only included a few relievers. He did this so he wouldn't create bias because he doesn't know the bench rotations as well for some teams as others. Because we have both a masher and an elite defender on the bench, as well as a very deep bull pen and rotation, I think we can safely bump ourselves up a win or two.

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 8 comments

From an NL executive, "Our scouts said he was as good as he was in 2006 when we all thought that he was the heir to Johan." I've been trying to temper my excitement about Liriano, but it's getting tough.

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 13 comments

When Dave Cameron is praising the Twins offseason, you know it's been a good winter. Bill Smith, I think you've officially redeemed yourself!

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments

I was pretty pessimistic about this from the beginning, but it's starting to look more realistic. My guess - they offer about 4 mil, and say take it or leave it.

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments

Keppel on his way to Japan. This looks like the "big news" we've been waiting for since Keppel's release.

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 20 comments

"Clearly, wins is a flawed stat, and I think observers of baseball are beginning to realize that. After all, this year’s Cy Young winners were Zack Greinke (16 wins) and Tim Lincecum (15). Both are great pitchers and deserving of the award, but neither led their league in wins."

Never thought I'd hear (read) words like that from Bert, even in a piece talking about himself.

over 2 years ago Tiny Steven Ellingson 0 comments