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Blog a Bull Collins came oh-so-close to getting the job last spring.

M_3574b6ad23cb87ac0b725de10136f8d6_tiny by TyrusThomas on on Blog a Bull

''The 48 hours ended. The matter had gone public and started to get [strung] out. In his voice, I could hear that feeling that he didn't want to lose a friend. Finally, he basically said that -- 'I love you like a son, and I could never fire you again.' So I said, 'Jerry, let's just keep it like it is.'''

wow the dorf musta had an emotional breakdown during the deng negotiations too

 

link to the whole article

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1551265,CST-SPT-doug30.article

 

the chronical of how vinny got the job

he used interview lines and tips collins taught him from his interviews with pheonix, amazing i wonder what that was

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Blog a Bull philly just stole homecourt from orlando

M_3574b6ad23cb87ac0b725de10136f8d6_tiny by TyrusThomas on on Blog a Bull

:-) i hate philly but im rooting for them

because if we get past boston i think we can take philly

conf finals in rose's first playoff run would be a nice confidence builder for him and the rest of the team, and maybe get the dorf to open the big ass wallet a little bit to keep this thing together

 

who knows maybe sheed gets pissed in game 4 of the sweep and breaks lebrons legs lol hey anything can happen

 

what do you guys think?

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Blog a Bull An interesting view of our players

M_3574b6ad23cb87ac0b725de10136f8d6_tiny by TyrusThomas on on Blog a Bull

i was just bored browsing at nba.com and figured i would share some of my findings about our team's best players regular season ranks , some are interesting

 

loul deng

has been out too many games to be listed in any season ranks this year

not good for the 70 mil dollar man

 

ben gordon

  •  
    • Ranks #48 in the NBA in Assists(240.0)
    • Ranks #10 in the NBA in Points(1393.0)
    • Ranks #31 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(9.5)
    • Ranks #25 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(20.89)
    • Ranks #44 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(5.39)
    • Ranks #25 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(2.83)
    • Ranks #26 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(27.2)
    • Ranks #21 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(173.0)
    • Ranks #41 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1145.0)
    • Ranks #23 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(2.54)
    • Ranks #40 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(3.38)

    • when you consider there are 30 teams in the nba and he is in the top sixty of all of these catagories it makes me think of him a little differently

    as of right now we are going to let a man walk who is 10th in the league in points scored? thats pretty elite company, and he isnt just chucking to get it

    there are 20 teams in the league who dont even have a guy who has scored as many points!

    looking at the nba as a whole is changing my standing on how i feel about him

kirk hinrich

 

thats the only catagorie he is ranked in, and im not surprised since he has been out so much this season

brad miller

  • Ranks #46 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(3.4)
  • Ranks #22 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.3)
  • Ranks #29 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(12.6)
  • Ranks #37 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(27.21)

not tooo shabby, is a starting center caliber player at least, even though alot of his season was not spent with us

joakim noah

  • Ranks #14 in the NBA in Blocks(91.0)
  • Ranks #2 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(6.3)
  • Ranks #24 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.0)
  • Ranks #10 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(15.3)
  • Ranks #11 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(2.87)
  • Ranks #42 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(26.53)


as i look at these im proud, then i cringe at the visual picture of his shot and realize he will always just be a defensive specialist/ hustle player in this league. but if we can keep him cheap he is obviously worth having around as bench big

derrick rose

for as much crap as some people like to give him about being tired, not being the same player that he came in as, you need to look at this, he is tenth in the nba at minutes played!! he hit his rookie wall and burst through some minute walls that most players will never see in their whole careers
also he is 12th in total assists, not too shabby for the way we played early in the season, he could have easily of been in the top ten if we coulda hit a few jumpers before the allstar break i still cant believe what some of us expect from this kid, "why is vinny sitting rose","rose looks like he isnt interested at the ends of games" maybe its because he played 50 minutes that night in miami lol geeze let him take a breather

john salmons

he is a little more turnover prone than id hoped, to tell the truth i really never watched the guy play other than when the kings played us, did not know much about the guy, but apperently those late game turnovers, arent just a bulls thing, and they are not going away if we keep putting the ball in his hands to create late in the games he is no gordon replacement, but as a deng replacement id love to keep him, he scores well enough to be the best weapon on a crappy team in the league and gets to the line pretty well, on a contender he would make a very good 3rd or 4th weapon

tyrus thomas

  • Ranks #41 in the NBA in Double-doubles(14.0)
  • Ranks #49 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(5.23)
  • Ranks #42 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(6.75)
  • Ranks #46 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(3.4)
  • Ranks #42 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(7.8)
  • Ranks #49 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(11.2)
  • Ranks #21 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.11)
  • Ranks #7 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(3.23)

im still not ready to give up on this kid yet, i remember hearing doug thonas talk about how tyrus wanted to work on his 3 pointer and thought that was what would make him a better player, and the funny thing is like a bonehead that is what he did, i can tell everytime he shoots that 18 footer and overthrows and clacks backrim, i used the have the same problem as a player i always practiced to far outside my range that i actualy was used at during games. also tyrus with a small sample size is shooting 33% from three this year,  i can recall he hit two in the final seconds of back to back games to keep out team in it to only watch us not win, wonder if we should let him shoot a couple and see what happens? who knews maybe he worked hard and found something and nobody will give him the shot to prove it other than that rant, tyrus is what tyrus is, a freak of nature, and could be a defensive stopper at the least, and hopefully someday turn into a 15ppg player, lets see what he does in the offseason this time 

 

well please start flaming me now most of all this is just speculation by me so what do you guys think?

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Blog a Bull Retina injury's

M_3574b6ad23cb87ac0b725de10136f8d6_tiny by TyrusThomas on on Blog a Bull

 

 

Amare StoudemirePoor Amare Stoudemire.

That's my main thought, after bringing together two ideas: A brief report on what he has been through, and extensive conversations with others who have been through similar things.

First of all, some background. On Suns.com the situation sounds like this:

Phoenix Suns forward Amar'e Stoudemire underwent successful surgery today to repair a partially detached retina in his right eye. The procedure was performed earlier this morning by Dr. Pravin Dugel at Spectra Eye Institute in Sun City, Arizona.

"We are very glad to hear that Amar'e should have a 100 percent recovery relative to his vision and his long-term prognosis is excellent," said Suns President of Basketball Operations and General Manager Steve Kerr. "Obviously, it is very disappointing to lose him at this time. We are all very excited about the progress the team is making, but Amar'e's health and the health of all our players is our number one concern."

Stoudemire's return to physical activity is estimated at eight weeks depending upon his healing process. Dr. Dugel stresses that recovery varies on a case-by-case basis.

There is a little bit of a backstory, too. Stoudemire was poked in the eye by Boris Diaw during training camp, and had been wearing goggles to prevent further injury. In mid-November, Jerry Brown of the East Valley Tribune wrote about Stoudemire's decision to ditch the goggles, which had been fogging up.

"I went with them for a while, but now I'm trying to get comfortable without them," Stoudemire said. "It's not a medical thing now that the (torn) iris is perfect, so then it came down to comfort and I was having problems with blurriness from sweat and getting a good fit. Enough was enough.

"The chance of another injury is there, but I'll be working off faith."

There's no telling if wearing goggles would have saved him from this injury -- it has been reported that it may not have helped at all. But that has to turn your stomach a bit, doesn't it?

Of course, with every injury, every case is different. Stoudemire is young and healthy, and it sounds like his surgery went very well.

With that in mind, here are three stories from people who play basketball, and have coped, in one way or another, with retina injuries. The good news it they all got back on the court. The bad news is that the process was a major challenge.

Learning to Live with Blurry Vision
Dave Bing (who is a few days away from the primaries in his bid to become mayor of Detroit) played much of his NBA career with blurry vision. Recently, David Friedman of 20 Second Timeout told the story like this:

The Pistons seemed poised to have a good season in 1971-72: Bing was coming off another All-NBA First Team selection, second year center Bob Lanier was about to become one of the league's top players and the Pistons had narrowly missed the playoffs in 1970-71 despite posting a fine 45-37 record. These hopes came crashing down when Bing suffered a detached retina in his right eye during the preseason. "The team of doctors basically asked me not to think about playing again-but at the age of 27 and the top of my career, I never gave that a second thought and I was able to play another seven years," Bing says. "I wasn't the same player. I think that I became a better all-around player but never the prolific scorer that I was before that injury. I had to play the last seven years of my career with blurred vision, basically, in both eyes." He missed a total of 37 games and the Pistons' record plummeted to 26-56.

Bing found a silver lining in his plight: "I had to concentrate more on other phases of the game and I think that's what made me a better all-around player. I wasn't the scorer that I had been prior to the eye injury but I think that my assists went up, my free throw percentage went up and I became better defensively and I think that just because I couldn't see as well and shoot as well that I focused on other parts of the game." He shot over .800 from the free throw line for three straight years, a level of accuracy that he had never achieved prior to having the detached retina, and Bing had four of his five best apg averages after suffering that injury. How did he improve his free throw shooting despite his vision problems? Simple -- free throw shooting is different from field goal shooting because it involves a fixed target and there are no defenders, so just by improving one's concentration and mental focus one can shoot quite accurately from the free throw line even if the rim looks a little blurry.

Two Surgeries Down, Two More to Go
What started as a partially detached retina for ESPN.com NBA editor Chris Ramsay is, more than two years later, still full blindness in one eye.

"Woke up one morning," he explains, "just after Christmas 2006. Had half vision in my left eye. It was like garage door had been drawn halfway down. There was no trauma, that I know of. I had a partially detached retina."

He still can't see in his left eye. He's soon to undergo his third and fourth operations. He recalls that after the first surgery, he had a couple of tough problems.

The first was the doctor's instructions to essentially keep his head down "as in, literally having your forehead on the table, not moving." For a week.

Walking around normally is banned. Sitting up normally is banned. Even sleeping normally is banned. Instead, you sleep on your stomach, with your head off the edge of the bed, held in a special device not unlike what is attached to most massage tables.

The worry is that moving your head really at all can reduce the likelihood that the retina will reattach. So stay super still for days on end. No exercise, no sudden movements, no nothing.

Then reconcile that with this reality: "When you open the eye up to operate on it," he says, "it can really throw off your balance and your equilibrium. That really upsets a lot of things, including your stomach. A lot of people puke their guts out for a couple of days after the surgery."

Did Chris?

"Yes."

Brutal.

And through it all, there is never any way to know how well anything will be fixed. Some have excellent results. Many do not.

Ramsay explains: "Once the retina is reattached there are no guarantees that your vision will be 100 percent restored. After surgery, you might see some unusual things. Blind spots were very common. You might look for something that is right in front of you and not see it. I remember looking, looking, looking for my ball on the golf course ... and then finally spotting it ... three feet from where I was standing.

"There are other phenomena such as strobe lighting (like on a dance floor), flashing (like police cruisers), venetian blinds (looking through partially drawn shades) and the 'Predator' Effect. That's when you see objects or just clear outlines of those objects. It's like in the movie 'Predator,' when you can see a clear outline of the alien, but not the alien himself. Eventually the eye settles down and the brain adjusts."

Ramsay, son of Dr. Jack Ramsay, has been a basketball player all his life. Needless to say his retina adventures have not helped his game. "Naturally, you're more prone to miss an open teammate or not see a pick coming. This can lead to collisions and even more injuries," he says. "Can you say chipped teeth?"

One of the things Ramsay says he has had the most trouble with is straight out of Amare Stoudemire's playbook: "Cleanly catching a hot pass while running at top speed on the fast break is a real challenge. There have been a lot of fumbled catches and jammed fingers from not being able to get hands up to catch in time. This can really deflate a player and lead to a loss of confidence. But, like with any injury you might have to change your game to keep playing. You develop new tools, sharpen some old ones and keep playing. Might be at a lower level, but you got to keep playing."

A Slow, but Full, Recovery
My friend Randy didn't detach his retina. Instead, in a basketball incident, he got some tears in his retina, which his doctors believed could become a partially detached retina.

"After the initial surgery," he explains, "not only could you not exercise or do anything active, but they didn't want me to do anything that would make my eye move too fast. Like reading! Apparently your eye across the page is very rapid movement. Reading with a bad retina is like running with a bad ankle. So the thing you can do is something I hate to do, which is watch TV. It's all you can do.

"I had that for six weeks. Then I had another series of surgeries, for more tears that developed somehow. Then six more weeks of watching the 'Gilmore Girls.'"

His mood, he says, was bad. "I'm not sure how it could have been worse. I'm very active and exercise a lot. I love to read. And I enjoy my work. I really couldn't do any those three things. I had to find other ways to work -- mostly by phone -- just to keep myself from feeling completely worthless. It was pretty distressing."

The good news is that Randy has had a near full recovery -- his only remaining symptom about a year later is the occasional "floater" obstructing his vision, but even those have dissipated. And now he plays basketball with goggles.

"I understand why Amare didn't like wearing goggles," he says. "I don't like goggles. They're hot. They hurt your peripheral vision. They fog up. All that. They're not great. But they're a must."

(Photo by Barry Gossage/NBAE via Getty Imag...

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Phoenix Suns, Amare Stoudemire

taken from truehoop @ http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-215/Three-Anecdotes-About-Retina-Injuries.html

 

 

i didnt realize these injurys were so serious, im so glad that trade didnt happen

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bullsbeat 100th episode

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Blog a Bull rose comparison

M_3574b6ad23cb87ac0b725de10136f8d6_tiny by TyrusThomas on on Blog a Bull

you always here people talking about rose and who he resembles, what features from what players he has, like he is a hybrid pg. but after a lot of thought it hit me, it has just been so long ago since I've thought of him but has anyone ever though about comparing rose to a young (uninjured) Tim hardaway? he had the speed the power, the insane mindset to drive to the iron and ability to finish at the rim.  if his knees would have held out he would have been one of the greatest pg's of all time

Tim hardaway before injury

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
 89-90 GSW 79 78 33.7 .471 .274 .764 .70 3.20 3.90 8.7 2.09 .15 3.29 2.90 14.7
 90-91 GSW 82 82 39.2 .476 .385 .803 1.10 3.00 4.00 9.7 2.61 .15 3.29 2.80 22.9
 91-92 GSW 81 81 41.1 .461 .338 .766 1.00 2.80 3.80 10.0 2.02 .16 3.30 2.60 23.4
 92-93 GSW 66 66 39.5 .447 .330 .744 .90 3.10 4.00 10.6 1.76 .18 3.33 2.30 21.5
 94-95 GSW 62 62 37.4 .427 .378 .760 .70 2.30 3.10 9.3 1.42 .19 3.45 2.50 20.1




Rose so far this season

Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
08-09 CHI 52 52 36.8 0.472 0.263 0.784 1.1 2.5 3.6 6.3 0.8 0.2 2.52 1.60 16.9


if rose can get his steals and assists average up (i know its mostly because of the bulls leading the league in shitty jump shooting) but the steals are what puzzles me, with roses court vision and athleticism he should be getting way more steals. maybe vinny just tells him to save his energy for the offense or something, or could be a lack of effort on roses part



all i can say is they are very similar styled players

and i will be a very happy bulls fan if rose can have the career hardaway should have had



lemme know what you think

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