Vortex7
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Not terribly concerned that he'll end up getting the job (I think it's a safe bet that both he and McCoy will be returning - though when the team starts playing well, coordinators will receive this kind of attention). What does concern me is a Thursday meeting when there's a game Saturday night. Supposedly McCoy will be interview with Jacksonville later this week. I don't think it's fair to either man in either of their roles. Both are under a lot of pressure Saturday. Both are now being asked to properly prepare for their next step.
Roth at LE?
Supposedly, he wants to continue playing in a 3-4 defense, which makes New England and Arizona the favorites. However, Warren was thought to prefer a 3-4 team himself, and he came over based on meeting Fox. Could Roth be similarly persuaded? A good, starting-caliber player for a minimal investment and nobody is making a move.
We Just Acquired a DT So Time to Have Fun
I'm not all about the Cutler bashing of the past two years, but I think this is pretty funny no matter who you root for.
Is Sessions the Future?
For the past few weeks, I have been hoping for a point guard like Reggie Jackson or Josh Selby at #17. My point of view being, Chauncey Billups is not the future, but is a willing teacher and it may be advantageous to get him to train the PG of the future in 2011-2012. However, Sessions is a name that has come up in previous years and with Irving likely Cleveland-bound, they don't need 3 point guards on the roster. What do you think it'd take to get him here?
Hopefully this a trend our guys follow
Say what you want about Finnegan - yes, he is a chippy player - but this is the definition of leadership. Hopefully one of our captains - guys like Champ, DJ, Kuper, or Orton follow suit. This is the kind of leadership Champ just got a 4 year commitment for and it'd be nice to see Orton fight back.
Rush(ed) Post
Earlier today, I created a fanpost that suggested that the newly freed-up Hunter Hillenmeyer may well be a strong short-term solution at the Sam due to his experience and aptitude in coverage in a zone scheme. That's neither here nor there. In typical fashion, I misinterpreted a response from a fellow MHRer (we were both talking about the benefit of going after James Anderson, but for different reasons). In any case, it led me to check out Pro-Football Reference and see where the sacks came from in Carolina (2002-2010) and New Orleans 2009-2010.
Poster's Note: These totals aren't the respective teams' entire sack totals. They simply reflect where the sacks are coming from among starters and doesn't take into account back-ups, spot-starts, and players rotating positions. Not ideal, but I still think it gives a very strong indication where the pass-rush is coming from and frankly, I have no idea how to track who played where on every snap for the 2005 Carolina Panthers.
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One team's trash...
Harris will surely be the headline here, and he may well draw interest, but Hillenmeyer is who interests me. Not a great talent, but a veteran who is very experienced in coverage - something very valuable in what should be a zone-heavy scheme. Sam is the line backing position with the least clear answer for the Broncos and Hillenmeyer could serve as a decent stop gap there while a younger player develops.
The Defense: Where We Are, Where We're Going: Philosophy 101
Greetings, fellow fans. It's that time of year again. The time where all of us look into the draft and free agency and think to ourselves "If only the Broncos brass does this, this, and that - we could be on our way to a quick rebuilding effort in the vain of this year's Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs." We all do it - with various mock drafts or free agency previews. Where We Are, Where We're Going will start up again - and all of this is all well and good.
For me, personally, I think that it's important to first understand the scheme (or at least the philosophies of the guys creating the schemes) before we come to any conclusions of who would benefit the Denver Broncos in 2011 and beyond. Obviously, the players drafted during the Shanahan era wouldn't have necessarily been the kind of guys drafted in the McDaniels era who wouldn't have necessarily been brought in now that we're in the Fox era. Philosophies change.
So I started doing research on what the heck kind of defenses Fox was running in his 9 seasons in Carolina and - to be honest - the most composed, comprehensive analysis I found was from the great Ted Bartlett. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, that page is no longer available. Luckily, I pored over Mr. Bartlett's words several times while the page was up and, with some additional research, feel as though I'm at last marginally qualified to speak about what we might expect in the coming years on that side of the ball.
WARNING: While Mr. Bartlett's expertise is in fact - mine is in speculation. I apologize in advance if I muck this one up.
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Defensive Staff Complete
Former Bronco assistants Richard Smith and Ron Milus are returning to Denver as Linebackers Coach and Secondary Coach respectively
Smith coached the Broncos' linebackers from 1993-1996. Milus started his professional career in Denver - coaching the team's defensive backs from 2000-2001 and nickelbacks in 2002.
Goodbye Wink?
I, like many of you, was hoping for the Broncos to keep player-favorite Don Martindale to some capacity (preferably as Linebackers Coach). With the hiring of Dennis Allen and, more importantly, the move of the well-respected assistant Reggie Herring moving from Linebackers Coach of the Cowboys to Linebackers Coach of the Texans - I couldn't blame Wink for reuniting with his old friend (and Coordiantor for 5 seasons in Oakland) Rob Ryan.
Mora Leaves Denver Unsigned
Per Lindsay Jones, Mora spent the day in Denver but left unsigned. Mora could be looking at other opportunities - Philadelphia is reportedly interested in him and he had a good enough relationship with Holmgren in Seattle to be named Head Coach in Waiting. It could just not be a very good fit. Personally, I'm hoping this opens the door for Mike Trgovac to sign in after this weekend.
Great Article by Lombardi
Lombardi has proven time and time again that he is the best in the business and so I really think he's coming from a strong place here. We interviewed 5 candidates in 4 days - and that is including an off day on Monday. The Panthers, pardon me if I'm wrong, interviewed 4 candidates (Rivera, Ryan, Fewell, and Manusky) and it took them more than twice as long. There is something very strange about that. In my post regarding Dennison - that came out hours before Fox was hired - I said there's no reason to leave the party early if we got there late. Taking our time with our first set of interviews may have allowed Mularkey or Capers to interview and would have certainly led to a second round of interviews with Fox, Dennison, and Koetter. Did the Broncos look around - see the Panthers and Browns fill their positions and get trigger happy? I think so. Which is disturbing.
That being said, as Lombardi points out - Fox was a smart hire for any number of reasons - not the least of which being:
1. Experience as a coordinator and head coach - making up for the novices in our front office.
2. An old-fashioned run and stop the run, defensive mentality.
3. A belief in Tim Tebow and an interest in keeping Mike McCoy.
For those reasons Fox was a smart hire and certainly a safer hire than Dennison, Koetter, Fewell, Studesville or - my personal pick - Mularkey. Early and from afar - Elway and Xanders guessed right - but the thought that it could have been a guess is concerning.
Quick Fox Post
So John Fox is the man for the job. Personally, I was pulling for Mularkey or Dennison, but I can see the value in hiring a tough, energetic defensive mind who has been the victim of a stingy owner and lame duck status over the past few seasons.
A few quick idea about coordinators:
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The Staff: Where Have you Gone, Josh McD: Rick Dennison Part 1
I've never been to Mile High. Never been to Colorado. I actually grew up a mile from Giants Stadium - so close I could see the scoreboard from my kitchen window. I never fell for the Giants though and never for the Jets. In the summer of 1995, I received a Vortex (hence the name) football for my birthday and wanted to root for whatever team the guy on the box played for. About a year and a half later, I got sick to my stomach watching the heavily favored Broncos get dropped by the newbie Jaguars. The next two seasons obviously ended much better.
Age and geography may make me less familiar with the Broncos of old than some of you elders, but there are certain parts of my Broncos, the Broncos of my youth (all the way back to 10-15 years ago) that I do miss.
1. The Mile High Salute. Dirty Bird? Lambeau Leap? You can keep them. By far the most distinguished, composed celebration of a generation obsessed with personal accolades.
2. Watching the Broncos on their first offensive possession on Monday Night Football and hearing
"Jake Plummer - Arizona State"
"Mike Anderson - Utah"
"Kyle Johnson - Syracuse"
"Rod Smith - Missouri Southern"
"Ashley Lelie - Hawaii"
"Shannon Sharpe - Savannah State"
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It was perfect. It was unique. It was bad ass. Andthe guys in the locker room at the good humor to have some fun with it as well. I think we can all agree that the Broncos of the past 3 or 4 years could have done with some vows of silence from their players - offensive linemen and otherwise.
3. Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Selvin Young, and the list goes on and on. What's been most frustrating about watching the Broncos running struggles over the past few seasons is the fact that that was our entire identity for 10-12 years. We know Knowshon Moreno is talented. We know Correll Buckhalter is talented. It's confusing to see them not be able to accomplish what guys, seemingly taken off the street, were able to do just a few year ago.
I appreciate those memories, but am not necessarily in a hurry to go back to them. As I've said in previous posts - going back, in many ways, is not a good idea. I was very against any interest in Gary Kubiak. Any interest or alleged interest in Troy Calhoun struck me as a terrible idea. There's a reason why the Broncos have won 1 play-off game in the past decade and repeating that formula seems more than ill-advised.
If you've read past posts, Istill very much respect what they're doing in New England - we just did a poor job of emulating that success (we are not the firsts to do this). There are also organizations like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis - all well-built teams that are constantly competitive and in the title hunt. I came into this coaching hunt believing that Mike Mularkey is our guy. Listening to Elway, in his press conference, use words like "innovative" andlooking for a guy with a set plan - it made it seem like Mularkey would have been a very competitive choice. Alas, that interview was cancelled or postponed depending on who you talk to.
That doesn't mean that I think he shouldn't interview. Same too with Dom Capers - though it has been recently said that he does not factor in Denver's plans. A lot of the complaining that I've heard on the boards is the relative unimpressive coaching candidates list that has been put together. Outside of Perry Fewell and, maybe, John Fox - none of our candidates are of any interest to other teams. The Cowboys, 49ers, Panthers, and Vikings have already taken care of their vacancies. The Raiders seem set to promote Offensive Coordinator Hue Jackson (which means they won't). In Cleveland, Rams Offensive Coordinator Pat Shurmur has emerged as a front runner. My point is - take your time! What's the difference if you hire a Head Coach next week or in two weeks? If Mularkey'sFalcons were to lose this weekend (which they very well might), are you telling me he shouldn't be interviewed if interested? He's the guy who's been linked to this job the longest and you'd go through the interview process not talking to him? I'm not saying he's definitely the right hire - and maybe his interview would be a waste of an afternoon. But my point is - Elway and Co. were already late to the party in terms of interviewing candidates - why leave before they have to? There's no risk of losing candidates - go through a second wave of interviews - drag this out because every interview you conduct makes the leading candidate more clear. This is a decision too large to rush.
When describing the interview process, Elway repeatedly said that he will ask the potential hires what they think of the Bronco organization. Now, personally, I think that's a bit of an odd way to go about things. It's like taking an Art History mid-term (which are terrible) and the only question being "What did you think of this class?" It may not be the sharpest way to go about things - but it seems as if that's the plan and if that's the underlying question andif they want somebody who appreciates the history of the Denver Broncos - well - there's really only one candidate worth noting.
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From the FanPosts: The Staff: Where Have You Gone, Josh McD?: Part 2 - Mike Mularkey
Hello, again, from cyber-space.
Since beginning my last post (unfortunately it does take a bit of time to jot a post down) there have been several developments in Broncoland that I would like to get out of the way real quick.
1. The assertion that the head coaching search somehow bodes well for Brian Xanders: I fight the urge to dismiss this as ridiculous because its plausibility actually frightens me. Anyone who has read my last post - or several prior - know that I am not a fan of Brian Xanders as a personnel man. Xanders may very well be a good front office executive in terms of dealing with contracts and managing the cap - but he was McDaniels's Yes Man and if we all agree that a lack of talent is one of Denver's big problems, if Xanders wasn't part of the solution he was part of the problem. My belief is that we still need somebody like Eric DeCosta or Jason Licht heading talent evaluation and both the college and professional level. I don't care what title you give him, if you want to keep Xanders as GM and just make him a more administrative executive and let somebody else run personnel - the options are literally endless. I do not believe that you need to necessarily give somebody like DeCosta a specific title - and I don't think that that's what he'd be looking for either. Young, talented personnel executives need only the ability to cut their teeth with a new team, away from their superior (in this case Ozzie Newsome) to show they can do it on their own. NFL front offices aren't dumb (in this sense). If DeCosta were given a role like "Director of Football Operations" everyone would know whose fingerprints were on the team. That's why somebody like Doug Whaley took the assistant job in Buffalo and why Kevin Colbert remains in Pittsburgh despite the lack of a "General Manager" title. And this is assuming that Xanders will remain GM.
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From The FanPosts: The Staff: Where Have You Gone, Josh McD?: Part 1
Midway through writing what would have easily been the longest post in MHR history (be grateful - though this one may beat it) something shocking happened. Josh McDaniels was fired. Now excuse me if portions of this post seem as if they were written by a McDaniels apologist - that is not my intention. Spending the last week or so piecing together McDaniels's coaching history with the Jeff Davidsons and Pepper Johnsons and Pete Mangurains of the world ...ugh...I almost felt like Pat Bowlen did a few weeks ago. Just a piece or two away from mappng a path to winning. The fruition to the promise that was Josh McDaniels almost complete...
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Would You Do It?
Personally, I think I would - and this has less to do with Brown than it does with Ibanez. While finding help in the back-end of the rotation/bullpen should be the priority - if you can improve upon a corner outfielder rotation of Ibanez/Brown/Francisco, I think you have to do it. Not necessarily a consistent power threat, but the guy gets on base and puts the ball in play - which would be a welcomed change in the 5-hole to the momentum killing back to back strike outs Howard and Werth would come up with. Aside, from brokering a deal for Willingham - I think Ordonez is our best option if we look for a more experienced replacement for Werth.
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The Staff: Where We Are, Where We're Going Part 1: The Preview
On November 29th, at 9:25 PM Eastern Time, Thomas George of FanHouse relayed an interview with Pat Bowlen, one of the most respected men in the NFL and owner of our Denver Broncos (though technically, they are his Denver Broncos - we forget that at times.) Amid the dismal 3-8 record, taping scandal, and firing of more established head coaches, Wade Phillips and Brad Childress, Bowlen was asked a logical question. Will Josh McDaniels make it out through this season? He responded:
"I am not interested in making a change."
Asked to further comment on McDaniels job security through this offseason and whether he'll be back for the 2011 season Bowlen responded:
"Yes he will. I am not interested in making a coaching change." He then added, among other things - "I'm very happy with Josh. Josh is doing a good job."
Two hours later, via a Gary Miller tweet (what has this world come to?) Bowlen supposedly took a step back from that stance. Most pundits believe this was done to appease an angered fanbase that did not want Bowlen to throw McDaniels a life preserver so soon (if at all).
Of course, that's exactly why he did it. In those two hours in between Broncos blogs (like this one), message boards, comment sections in local and national publications must have exploded. Sports writers, already questioning Bowlen's state of mind, went hog-wild. Bowlen had to save face. He had to open the door to a potential firing and he had to put the players on notice that they are still very much playing for their (reportedly) beloved coach's job over the next 5 weeks. Bowlen had to step back because 5-11 or 6-10 is a lot better than 3-13.
But it's common knowledge among most fans, bloggers, and sports writers that, while coaches have been fired for less than what McDaniels has done, it is more than likely that McDaniels will be the Broncos' coach in 2011 and a win or two down the stretch will only hammer this probability into a definite. There are a number of reasons Bowlen will keep him.
1. Money.
2. The uncertainty within the CBA - making it possible that a new head coach will not have access to his team far into the summer. This also involves money.
3. By firing McDaniels and cutting his vision before completion you admit that this team is rebuilding. That isn't to say that Bowlen, McDaniels, most of the players, you, or I didn't already know this. It's just seldom been spoken of. Tearing this plan down before completion all but guarantees several more 3-8s in our future.
4. The two of our most talented offensive players coming into the McDaniels era are gone and neither case is necessarily McDaniels's fault. Cutler was peeved because McDaniels, bringing in the mentality he was hired to bring in, refused to baby him. Marshall, according to some sources, may well have wanted to leave Denver before McDaniels even got there. He too wanted to be babied...and get paid 10M a year. We know in the case of the former, if not in both cases, it was Bowlen who pulled the trigger on that player's (Cutler) move away from the team.
5. Injuries. This is not an excuse that McDaniels is willing to use. It's not one we can to hear about unless we are defending the Broncos in front of our drunken buddies. But it's true. This roster was already in flux. Lacking talent and depth in a lot of areas. Losing our best defensive player prior to the season was a huge blow. Additional injuries to Goodman, McBath, Dawkins, Ayers, and Harris don't help. That isn't to mention players like Moreno and Clady missing significant time in the off season. Bowlen even mentioned this during his interview.
6. I legitimately think Bowlen was and is taken by McDaniels. His enthusiasm is contagious. He's arrogant and a Belichick wannabe - and that's going to rub a lot of people (reporters and analysts) the wrong way, but I think a lot of us - including Peter King of all people - see that he's a brilliant strategist who just may be a little over his head at this point. But, after his current issues subside, either in Denver or somewhere else, there is a very intelligent coach who engages his players. I think there's a bit of "I don't want to be Art Modell." in the back of Bowlen's mind.
7. Money.
Just yesterday, looking at all the mock drafts already popping up on MHR, a few things struck me.
1. Wow, this sucks. We haven't been out of the playoff hunt in November in over a decade.
2. It's way too early. We don't know how certain players will perform in bowl games, how seniors will perform in the Senior Bow/East-West Shrine Game, which underclassmen will declare for the draft, or how any of these players will perform at The Combine. Additionally, we have know idea if the Broncos record will be 3-13, 8-8 or anything in between.
Due to issues with the CBA it is very unlikely that there will be many firings come January. The Cowboys and Vikings were projected by many to be this year's participants in the NFC Championship Game. Their records and the attitudes of their players (indifference by the Cowboys, malice by the Vikings) led to their terminations. It is likely that Leslie Frazier, a hot coordinator to start the season, will stay on in Minnesota. It is less likely that Garrett stays on in Dallas (Jerry Jones fancies big names like Cowher and Gruden) but it's still more than possible he stays on. Both men would, assumably, keep the majority of their staffs intact. In addition to those two situations - the expiring contracts of Marvin Lewis in Cincinatti and John Fox in Carolina may be the only other coaching changes. Lewis's defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer, is the overwhelming favorite to replace him - maintaining continuity in an organization that was on the rise until this year. In the case of Fox and Carolina, there is no clear-cut replacement for Fox and there is a good chance it would be an outside hire - more on that later.
What I will preview below and go into more detail with in Part 2 is not a "mock off-season" or "mock coach search" for those of you who have ever read a "Where We Are, Where We're Going" aside from being long - this intro is already longer than most posts - I usually try to project what Denver will do. I will not do that here. Below are simply a list of names and musings that make a lot of sense to me and several scenarios - some making more sense than others. Adieu.
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What the Broncos Really Need
Again, this is just my opinion. I am one of the dozens and dozens of people who right on this site - believing if somehow my name were Brian Xanders or Josh McDaniels the Broncos would be 8-3 and not 3-8...
But I believe what the Broncos really need is for Pat Bowlen to come down from his perch in Dove Valley. He needs to call in anybody with a camera, tape recorder, or pen and pad willing to listen. He needs to acknowlege that this team is all but out of the race this season. He needs to apologize to the fans for a team that is delivering one of the most down-right disappointing seasons in memory. And he needs to admit what is, to me, one of the worst kept secrets in the league.
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Looking for Mr. Caramello
Poster's Note: Obviously, I know how to spell Carmelo - the title is just a play on "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" a pretty messed up movie from the 70's starring Diane Keaton and Richard Gere. Caramello, of course, is a rather delicious breakaway chocolate/caramel candy bar. If you're thinking to yourself right now - "But Vortex, if you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny." Well, you got me there. Sorry.
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Not the best of news, but not the worst
Don't like the idea of a young player missing valuable reps - but at least he isn't lost for the long term.
Doesn't the system make the man?
Unrelated: I'm an enormous Denver Broncos fan. Enormous. Not that any of you should care, I'm just saying. Before last season my fellow fans were up in arms over the fact that a career back-up, Kyle Orton, would be our team's quarterback. I loved it. It fits him - I thought. He was a player who made a name for himself in college as a spread formation quarterback, struggled in Chicago's run/throw deep system, and now would be returning to his comfort zone. People were calling for his head before he stepped out onto the field for Week 1, but -while the team itself fell apart down the stretch - Orton, a career back up, served as a solid - if not a statistically slightly above average - starting quarterback.
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Why I'd (almost) rather wait.
First, I know I'm going to get lambasted for this - and I'll deserve it. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion and I'm sure most people will be glad that I'm not Allan Houston, Isaih Thomas, Chris Mullen or any of the other 2387 potential GMs of the future.
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Is Ian Scott worth bringing to camp?
My answer is, of course, yes. I highlighted Scott a bit when I was discussing defensive lineman in a post a few months back. I think he's worth a look. This is not a Logan Mankins situation (please, no) - this is a commitment-less venture. Scott has some experience as a spot starter for the Chargers and has the strength and bull rushing ability to be effective in spurts.
Not the most durable guy and the rise of Cam Thomas made him expendable, but considering we already have Williams, Baker, and Fields he wouldn't be asked to handle a huge load and perhaps reuniting with Wayne Nunnelly would do him some good.
The multiplying villanies of nature do swarm upon him
The above quote originally appears in Act 1 Scene 2 of William Shakespeare's Macbeth but for you non-English majors (I don't mean to patronize, you're probably making a lot more money than me right now) you may recognize it from the mediocre film V for Vendetta which is based on the far superior graphic novel of the same name - but there is no need fo non-Bronco related nerd battles here.
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Watch out for Kirlew
In a recent post, I stated my belief that 7th round pick, Jammie Kirlew, had a real shot of making our team and contributing early as a situational rusher. Here's a mind wiser than my own saying the same thing. "Draft experts" are a mixed bag but Bunting is better than most.
Tomorrow: Where we are. Where we're going.
I'm calm. I say that because I think it's important to be so at this time. I just put yellow tape around my caps lock key. I'm going to try and talk in loud room. I don't mean that as a "shot" at any post or poster here at MHR - I really like all of you guys (if that matters) and loudness and enthusiasm shows that all parties are interested - which is important. Arguing is good. Very good. Getting heated not so much. One on one vendettas are boring for the rest of us. This is a sports community blog for goodness sake. Duke it out elsewhere.
I will say this. It is our right as fans to disagree with the direction of our team. That's the nature of our country and the nature of professional sports. We buy the jerseys, the tickets, and we should expect something in return. That goes for every team and fan in professional sports. That being said - if for some reason the drafting of one player or the hiring of one head coach or a few mediocre seasons make you stop rooting for your team - please relieve yourself of the need to post here. I'm not calling for homers - I'm not a homer - homers tend to damage fan bases in their own way - but at least they share a common interest.
Those of you who read the WwaWwg posts this past winter know that - while not on the level of some other posters on MHR - I do fancy myself a guy who has watched an unusual amount of college football and has spent a large part of my days over the past few months reading, watching, and learning about draft picks. This, again, isn't rocket science. It requires little else than reading any scouting report you can find, watching some tape, and having an opinion. This, wrong or right, is how I see the guys we got this year.
Poster's Note: Why am I approaching a topic that's already been covered so many times on this site? I have a huge ego. Also - this breaks the MHR record for longest post - feel free not to read.
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And the picks (may) keep on coming
It was posted ealier today that Denver was encouraging Tony Scheffler to sign his tender. Now it's being reported that he will by day's end. My money is on waking up tomorrow to another member of the Class of '06 out the door.
Baller on a Budget
You're like me. You're a Baller on a Budget - a twenty-something in or just out of college - who, while without much cash, still desires life's little luxuries.
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