In case anyone missed this little gem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJIHW7IV53Q

but can anyone around these parts guess who was covering mssr. stokely?

should it come as a surprise to any dolphin fan that the former dolphin chris crocker #42 left stokely to help cover marshall on a pass to the 40 with 15 seconds left in the game... well the guy is two for two in losing opening games for his team...

yes roy williams did blow containment to take a wack at marshall two, but i thought it was pretty dang funny that crocker's guy goes to the house uncovered...

so all you i have 100% faith that sparano/ireland can do no wrong.... child please.

Not to turn this into a henne vs penne thread - but since the admin has stated that they need to get henne more work this year so that he's ready to take over BY game 1 2010.... I ask a serious question... down 19-0 with 7:30 minutes left in the 4th quarter, should sparano have put in Henne?

Couple of points. Henne needs the work, and real time experience with the actual first teamers.

Penne has a history of injuries and frailness. do you need to subject him to more punishment in a game that is esentially over.

or was it important enough to keep penne in there and hope to build some MO going into monday nights, now even more, important show down with the colts?

QB (3)

Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Pat White

RB/FB (4)

Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, FB Lousaka Polite

cut Lex Hilliard,

WR (5)

Ted Ginn Jr., Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo, Brian Hartline, Patrick Turner

cut Brandon London ,James Robinson

TE (4)

Anthony Fasano, David Martin, Joey Haynos, John Nalbone

OL (9)

Jake Long, Vernon Carey, Justin Smiley, Donald Thomas, Shawn Murphy, Jake Grove, Joe Berger
Andrew Gardner, Brandon Frye,

cut Nate Garner, Mark Lewis

DL (7)

Kendall Langford, Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel, Jason Ferguson, Phillip Merling, Paul Soliai, Lionel Dotson,

cut Rodrique Wright

ILB (3)

Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele, Reggie Torbor

cut William Kershaw, J.D. Folsom

OLB (5) + one Injury reserve

Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Quentin Moses
Matt Roth (PUP),
cut Erik Walden

CB (5)
Will Allen, Sean Smith, Vontae Davis, Nate Jones, Jason Allen
cut  Joey Thomas,  Will Billingsley

Safety (5)
Yeremiah Bell, Gibril Wilson, Tyrone Culver, Chris Clemons, Courtney Bryan
 
ST (3)
K
Dan Carpenter
P
Brandon Fields
Long Snapper
John Denney

Last 5 Off
William kershaw,  Erik  Walden, brandon london,  Lex Hilliard. Rpd Wright

Last 5 ON

John Nalbone, Courtney Bryan,  Joey Haynos, Brandon Frye, Charlie Anderson

Can't say i'm too happy with this list... since things are just a little out of wack... they'll need more than 7 D-line for practice

reps, especially when fergie doesn't practice every down..

I really do think kershaw made the team, but i have no idea where to cut... which is a good problem.

the O-line is TERRIBLE once you get past the first 6 maybe 7... there will have to be some roster chumming here or the need for a lot of prayer, because this is the spot of the largest drop off between the front liners and the back ups... there is once guy who really is a practice squader gardner, one guy who is lucky to be on the team frye, a career back up in berger and a 27 year old project in murphy.... i'm not sure one of them is ready to be a starter if called upon.

I hate cutting maybe the best special teams player in walden - when ST has been the bane of the preseason... if fields is going to revert back to low line drives (like on the NO TD) then they'll need ever ST there is... I went with bryan over him since bryan just (the offseason) signed the new contract.

I still think martin or haynos could go to say cincy if they get the right offer...

i'd love to ax denney if they had someone else who could long snap.

just as a side note: if smith settles in at the CB position - i wouldn't be shocked to see him in some goal line sets.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:1gqyUBF7cssJ:espn.go.com/blog/afceast+%22+32+years+later,+Jets+start+another+rookie+QB%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

On Tuesday, Manning spoke about the tough choice a team must make when choosing whether to send a rookie straight onto the field or let him spend time as an understudy before taking over as a more polished prospect, as his little brother did with the New York Giants.

"I can just speak for what I prefer," Manning said, "and Eli can give a different perspective. He sat for 10 games and started for the last six, and he said what he learned in the six that he played far outweighed what he learned in the 10 on the sideline. He said you just can't quite tell just how fast these defensive players are and just how confusing the blitzes are.

"That sort of reinforced what I thought: The best way to learn is to play. I remember how uncomfortable it was my third preseason game against the Chargers. I don't recall the stats, but I remember they weren't very pretty. I threw two to the Chargers.

"I think if you don't play, you're going to have that uncomfortable game, whenever it is you do. I think the sooner you do it, the better off you're going to be in the long run.

this was from ESPN's afc east blog http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:1gqyUBF7cssJ:espn.go.com/blog/afceast+%22+32+years+later,+Jets+start+another+rookie+QB%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

all of this kind of goes along with what troy Aikman was saying during the broadcast last night... to paraphrase... young QB's are going to take their lumps no matter when they first get into the game and no amount of sitting is going to get them ready for that.

QB (3)

Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Pat White

RB/FB (4)

Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, FB Lousaka Polite 

  cut  Lex Hilliard, FB Joe Kowalewski

WR (5)

Ted Ginn Jr., Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo, Brian Hartline, Patrick Turner             

 cut Brandon London,  Anthony Armstrong, James Robinson

TE (3)

Anthony Fasano, David Martin,Joey Haynos

cut John Nalbone

OL (9)

Jake Long, Vernon Carey, Justin Smiley, Donald Thomas, Jake Grove, Shawn Murphy, Joe Berger
Andrew Gardner, Brandon Frye                                                             

cut Nate Garner, Mark Lewis

DL (8)

Kendall Langford, Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel, Jason Ferguson, Phillip Merling, Paul Soliai, Lionel Dotson, Rodrique Wright                          

cut: Ryan Baker, Louis Ellis

ILB (3)

Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele,ReggieTorbor                                                                                                                  cut: William Kershaw, J.D. Folsom

OLB (5) + one Injury reserve

Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Quentin Moses
Matt Roth (PUP)                                                                                                                                                                                                                             cut: cut:  Erik Walden
CB (6)
Will Allen, Sean Smith, Vontae Davis, Nate Jones, Jason Allen, Joey Thomas
cut: Will Billingsley
Safety (4)
Yeremiah Bell, Gibril Wilson, Tyrone Culver,ChrisClemons                                                                                                   cut: Courtney Bryan
ST (3)
K   

DanCarpenter       

cut:Connor Barth
P
Brandon Fields
Long Snapper
John Denney

**** Side note - for the love of goodness i couldn't get the strike through to work but the 2nd line guys are the cuts ***

Last 5 Off
Courtney Bryan,  Joe Kowaleski,  John Nalbone,  JD Folsom,  Lex Hilliard

Last 5 ON

Rod Wright, Louis Polite, Brandon Frye, David Martin, Joey Thomas

Notes…

Once again I cheated by putting Roth on the PUP list to start the season… if he ends his contract hold out ever recovers from his mysterious groin injury then Rod Wright will likely be looking for a new home.

The trade of Allerman, and EK did little to change my projections as I had both off my roster in my last projections…

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/8/11/986054/my-crack-at-the-game-1-roster

With that in mind – I have David Martin on the same short list of Vets who likely will have a new home once September starts… My reasoning is that the team can not cut Haynos being the only above average run blocker(a point of emphasis for the team) at the position, and if the team feels that someone else will pick up Nalbone then they’ll move the most expendable TE who is at the end of their contract. Martin more likely to be moved than fassano.

Although Polite was a first down machine last year, the team is emphasizing run blocking this year (did I mention that already) and that isn’t his best attribute, so don’t be surprised if Kowaleski beats out polite for the position. (Remember kowaleski is a DC Coach P recruit at the cuse and TE Coach Deleon was his OC – so long term ties to the coaching staff seem to help or in this case equalize polite’s ties to the staff)

Although Joey Thomas is #5 on my last on list, I think he is a lock or close to it to make the team.

If Brandon Frye whiffs in game 3 and/or 4 a few more times that result in direct hits on mr Henne then add Nate Garner to the roster and bid adieux to mr frye.  Guys on the cut line getting the future of the franchise hammered don’t last on rosters long.

Finally – I think the last roster spot is going to come down to Courtney Bryan/Lex Hilliard/Rod Wright as all others on my list are direct position battles (kowalewski vs polite) that will not change the final count numbers. So I wouldn’t be shocked if ST ace Bryan beats out Rod Wrights D-line depth since there is so much versatility between the D-line and the OLB and the DEs.

Notes on the roster….

Depth on the defensive side of the ball is much better than on the offensive… the D-line is deep with a good mix of vets and youth, so don’t expect much change after roster cuts,  where as LB is pretty deep right now, yet there is a lack of youth, in particular up the middle,so I wouldn’t be shocked by some cut down chumming here… say Charlie Anderson or Lionel Dotson getting axed/moved for someone giving up on an early round pick…

The secondary is pretty deep right now and is scary young. I won’t be surprise by some big numbers being put against them early(say Indy & SD), but hopefully they will have short memories and by the end of the year will be a solid bunch… it’s going to be ugly back there for a little while folks.

Finally – there really isn’t any O-line depth… after the first team you have a couple of malingerers (berger, Frye) paired with some what really are practice squanders (garner, gardner)…. Expect some cut down chumming here, especially if they think they can sneak gardner onto the practice squad….

After that the rest of the Offense is pretty much set, other then STers kowalewski vs vets Polite and youth Nalbone vs vets martin …. Hilliard might sneak onto the roster at FB??? And Nalbone if they can’t deal martin and are afraid of some thievery could make the roster… but I don’t see it at this time.

ok - it really isn't very smart to cut guess the final cuts before they make their first hits but most people round here wouldn't say i'm very smart...

i do want to say i'm cheating a little by putting Roth on the PUP ... but i just get the feeling that he is sitting out for contract reasons.... which these guys won't give in to, or he is seriously hurt and they'll put him on the sideline for the first 6 games to get in game shape... with JT playing well...

the other issue i have right now, is with out seeing the new wedge rules in effect, i'm unsure how a sick body killer like e walden plays out on with the new rules... if the wedge really is gone and a guy like allen/london is really a better STer then walden doesn't make the team and they'll carry 10 o-liners....

and finally you know the staff wants to get rid of a long snapper who doesn't do anything else... just a dead roster spot...but i havne't heard of anyone other then JT doing any long snapping... am i missing something. so JD makes the team until i hear of someone else... btw: if it shows up the guys in blue i see as PSers.... (ps i was too lazy to look up which garner/gardner is going to make the team and which one is going to make the PS ... so if i cut the wrong one let me know and i'll change it in the next version.

OFFENSE

WR 19 Ted Ginn, 82 Brian Hartline, 11 Anthony Armstrong, 87 Chris Williams, 14 James Robinson

LT 77 Jake Long, 63 Andrew Gardner

LG 65 Justin Smiley, 76 Brandon Frye, 60 Mark Lewis

C 64 Jake Grove, 67 Joe Berger

RG 61 Shawn Murphy, 57 Andy Alleman, 66 Donald Thomas

RT 72 Vernon Carey, 68 Ike Ndukwe, 75 Nate Garner

TE 80 Anthony Fasano, 88 David Martin ,81 Joey Haynos, 86 John Nalbone, 18 Ernest Wilford

WR 15 Davone Bess, 83 Greg Camarillo, 17 Brandon London, 84 Patrick Turner

QB 10 Chad Pennington, 7 Chad Henne, 6 Pat White

FB 36 Lousaka Polite

RB 23 Ronnie Brown, 34 Ricky Williams, 38 Patrick Cobbs, 26 Lex Hilliard, 45 Anthony Kimble

DEFENSE

LE 70 Kendall Langford, 94 Randy Starks, 90 Rodrique Wright, 79 Ryan Baker

NT 95 Jason Ferguson, 96 Paul Soliai, 93 Louis Ellis, 62 Joe Cohen

RE 97 Phillip Merling, 78 Tony McDaniel, 71 Lionel Dotson

SLB 99 Jason Taylor ,74 Quentin Moses, 49 Tearrius George, 98 Matt Roth (PUP)

ILB 52 Channing Crowder, 53 Reggie Torbor, 48 Orion Martin

ILB 51 Akin Ayodele, 58 William Kershaw, 59 J.D. Folsom

WLB 55 Joey Porter, 56 Charlie Anderson, 50 Erik Walden, 91 Cameron Wake

LCB 25 Will Allen, 24 Vontae Davis, 32 Jason Allen, 22 Joey Thomas

RCB 21 Eric Green 31, Sean Smith 33, Nate Jones, 27 Will Billingsley

FS 28 Gibril Wilson, 29 Tyrone Culver

SS 37 Yeremiah Bell, 47 Courtney Bryan, 30 Chris Clemons

SPECIALISTS

P 2 Brandon Fields

K 5 Dan Carpenter

KO 5 Dan Carpenter, 3 Connor Barth

H 2 Brandon Fields

KOR 19 Ted Ginn, 87 Chris Williams

PR 15 Davone Bess, 87 Chris Williams

LS 92 John Denney

Last 5 on

London

J hayos

E Walden

J Allen

Q Moses/C Anderson

Last 5 OFF

A Alleman

Nalbone

Nduwke

Armstrong

Garner

Cheats – Roth starts the season on PUP…

Team will cut Denney if they can find anyone else who can double dip

and editorial comment.... wow they are old and thin at middle LB .... it brings into question the davis pick when ray ray and some others where on the board and once again with the white pick...  but then again ilb is likely and area that they can grab a vet after the league cut downs.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/1179599.html

the point not covered in this story was carpenter's crappy kick offs last year and his inability or the teams unwillingness to trust him from more than 50 yards.... so why do i bring this up .... well duh.... cause i have to write 75 words just to point out the the phins signed a kicker cause there isn't anyone else to sign and they have 4 open roster spots... so don't be surprised if they sign a punter to challenge the shanker in the next couple of days.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/08/of-the-reams-of-emails-i-get-about-the-dolphins-the-three-subjects-most-often-covered-in-those-cybernotes-are-on-the-dolphins.html

before we get to mondo dissing finsxfactor's main crush aka the original maimi ducker, mr check down, ms butterfinger, and current cammeo love crush, john beck...

mondo points out a couple overlooked facts... that although the coaching staff mentioned that henne needs to get work this year in order to be ready to take over in 2011... he is only getting 5% of the first team snaps.

a(lthough it's not in this article but others also is pointing out that the lame ducker isn't very sharp right now and a theme from last year continues ... struggles in the red zone.. )

Mando also points out that henne is unlikely to pass the lame ducker (well isn't that a surpise when the deck is stacked against) because although henne is more gifted the lame ducker has more experience and uses it to his advantage......

but this is the part where the fighting words begin....

Secondly, there has been much criticism of White this offseason and again early in camp because he obviously does not have the strongest arm or most impressive build in the world. The Dolphins talk of changing the bodies of players. They need to change White's body because he resembles my 12-year-old nephew, all scrawny and wiry and looking like a 220-pound safety could tackle him into next week if given the chance.

Having said all that, White, I believe he is already better than John Beck.

Let me repeat that. White is already better than John Beck.

He has better control of the huddle. He is more mobile than Beck. And, seemingly, more courageous than Beck in that he attacks the defense rather than letting the defense attack him. White is more apt to throw down the field than Beck, who became frustratingly timid with checkdown passes.

Yes, Beck has a better arm and probably always will. But what good is a strong arm if you only use it for 5-yard dump passes? Yes, Beck is built bigger and stronger than White. But what good is a bigger body, if Beck rarely put that body in motion by leaving the pocket.?

I would say there is a 60-40 chance White earns playing time in some Pat Package this year. And I'd say he will be more effective in that package than Beck ever was in his rookie year. That package will include passes but also be a lot about running the football, and if you don't believe that check out the video

yup that is some serious Beck dissage and i'm not sure anyone other than Cam, finsxfactor, or a 40 year old byu cougar playing for bmore would challenge.

The ESPN football podcast is taking applications for each teams 'SUPERFAN' to occasionally appear on the show and comment on current issues and make assinine informed predictions/statements about their team.... last year the dolphin fan had 2 appearances and was mostly worthless his first time but did a good job the second time....

All that said we need our own matty to represent this mob of idiots  on-line community in a national quasi media format.

So Matty take the banner and send in your application.... I think the info is on pod vader's (the show's producer) facebook page.

I know there were some fins fans around these parts a couple of years ago, who strongly believed that Cleo Lemon was the QB of the future. Well, per PFT the Jags released him today.... I'd like to wish him well on his future endeavors, and I hope he catches on someplace soon.

I know the Jets need a starter and the bills and patsies need a number 2, and seeing Cleo play for the Jets would make me feel good that a guy that good is playing for a team that deserves him.