Wake Forest's opponents hate Jim Grobe for beating them with less.

Florida State fans hate Jimbo Fisher for losing to Wake Forest with more.

Instead they’ll finish ninth if N.C. State wins at Virginia Tech tomorrow and 10th if the Hokies prevail. They’ve taken a step, but it’s a halting step by a short baby.

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"There are no rules here. He's going to have an opportunity," coach Mark Jackson said. "He can get anywhere he wants on the floor, and he can pass the ball. I think he attacks and is very aggressive defensively.

"If he comes here and does that, he'll have a chance. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out."

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"To me that was a no-brainer,’’ Grobe said. "He was out of bounds and came back in and caught the ball.

"But the problem that we’ve got is we have a term `indisputatable’ for replays. Well ask any lawyer, and everything’s disputable. So what I’d like to see them do is change the rule book and say `If you used a litlte common sense, do you think this should be changed?’ Put it that way and it would be a little more obvious. But when you say `indisputable,’ anything can be disputed.

"They reviewed it and said it was too close to call, that you couldn’t say he was out and came back in. Of course the problem with that is, it doesn’t mean that on third down they wouldn’t have scored. That was second down. They could have scored on third down. But that would have taken seven more seconds off the clock and now (they’re) not kicking a field goal. So it was an important time, and that’s not why we lost the game or whatever.

The Atlantic Coast Conference has announced that the Notre Dame at Wake Forest football game on Saturday, November 5 will kickoff at 8 p.m. EDT.

The game will be televised nationally on ABC with a reverse mirror on ESPN2. In those areas of the country in which the game is not available on ABC, it will be available on ESPN2.

"We knew what Florida State was going to do, and we know what Wake Forest is going to do," Duke cornerback Ross Cockrell said. "But we can't really worry about them too much because we have to fix ourselves internally first."

Duke has yielded 1,049 total yards in its last two games after allowing 646 total yards in wins over Boston College and Tulane to close September.

"I tried to get back in there," said Price, who had his helmet on and was running on the sideline in hopes of returning. "The doctors said I’d be all right, but the coaches said it’s a long season and there’s no point in further hurting yourself."

Former New York Knicks assistant coach Greg Brittenham has joined the Wake Forest athletic department as the Director of Athletic Performance for Men's and Women's Basketball. Brittenham, who spent the past 20 seasons with the Knicks as an assistant coach for player development and team conditioning, will work directly with the Demon Deacon men's and women's basketball programs overseeing the teams' conditioning and strength training.

"We just hired the best Director of Athletic Performance for Basketball in the nation," said Wake Forest head men's basketball coach Jeff Bzdelik. "Greg is one of the most respected leaders in his field.

Tanner Price was so sharp in today’s morning practice that I had to wait until the final session, the two-minute drill, to see him throw a bad pass. Price threw a little low and wide to Terence Davis, and Davis was not able to snag the pass.

Otherwise, everything I saw him throw was a laser on target. I happened to be standing next to Chris Ina of the sports medicine staff when Price threw a strike that caught the receiver in stride 30-yards downfield.

"Man, Tanner’s looking good,’’ I remarked.

"He’s been looking good every day,’’ Ina responded.

"(Ehrmann) was, I remember, going into the spring at 215,’’ Wilber said. "He put on a lot of muscle. He’s got the abs now. I think he’s going to be a great standout this year. He’s going to surprise a lot of people.’‘

"I don't want to have any pressure (about choosing a college) over the season," he said. "I need to focus on football and school. I can't be doing my homework and getting calls from football coaches and everything. It could be quite distracting."

I mentioned to Jeff Bzdelik that Nix appears over-qualified for the administrative position of director of basketball operations.

"He is,’’ Bzdelik agreed.