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Denver Stiffs Weather the Storm Nuggets Nation

The Nuggets are mere hours from facing their toughest foe of the season for the first time and hopefully will continue to create what could be a great basketball rivalry with the Oklahoma City Thunder for years to come. The Thunder embody so much of what Denver is trying to accomplish: division leader, bona fide championship contender, possible perennial powerhouse. However, while the Thunder have been a consistent force to be reckoned with all season, the Nuggets have faltered as of late. Nuggets Nation is antsy, but fear not, this Denver team can and will compete for a championship.

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The idea of basketball in 11'-12' becomes more and more a fantasy with each passing day

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Denver Stiffs The Fantasy World Of an Existent Free Agency Period

Right now the NBA world is abuzz with the one of the most boring yet pressing issues: lockout.  Discussing the lockout is like going to a physical.  You'd really rather not do it at all, but deep down inside you know its important so you begrudgingly oblige. Well consider me tired of coughing..... 

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In a downgrade from Rick Adelman the Rockets decide to go with a former Timberwolves GM..........yikes

about 1 year ago Ellis_tiny Zachm219 0 comments

Denver Stiffs Zach's Stiff List 6/1/11

Just Noticed it had been awhile, so I though I would offer my opinion on those not making the cut around the sporting world ... 

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Denver Stiffs Marc Gasol, the Situation and the Facts

Most people around the country got their first glimpse of Marc "Baby" Gasol these playoffs, but we Stiffs have been watching him long enough to know that Marc doesn't actually go by Baby … but I digress.  Long since the most coveted player the Nuggets have realistically had some chance of trying to land, Gasol finally hits the market, well restricted market, this off-season. Let the debate begin as to whether or not we could land him in free agency.  Here are the facts ... 

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Denver Stiffs NCAA Tourney thread

Who else is watching the games?  Right now we got Uconn going vs SDSU (who is in the MWC, same as those CSU Rams if you were thinking about who you should root for).  

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Knicks lose leverage by the day, so much for the often hyped "Walsh genius" that the Knicks' fans have been all over our site about

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Take that Knicks fans! Where's all that lack of leverage talk now?

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Purple Row Why I Love the Rockies


Firstly, pardon my interrupting.  I am a rare poster on Purple Row to say the least, but a reader none the less.  It's not that I don't enjoy partaking in the conversation.  It's just that I spend so much times over at Denver Stiffs that I rarely find the time to indulge here at Purple Row.  So I do apologize if you yearn not for the musings of a man rarely heard in your parts.  Furthermore I apologize if you expect to see some stats, really at all.  While I enjoy a good factual number based argument as much as the next avid baseball enthusiasts, I simply don't have any groundbreaking statistical information that hasn't already been presented.  So that being said let's jump to what I'm deeming:  Zachm219's annual (this being the 2nd, go ahead, check the archives I'll wait.........see I told you) Why I Love the Rockies post.

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Denver Stiffs Boycott Carmelo


I know, its a hard thing to do.

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Will you join me?
Yes
39 votes
No
101 votes

140 votes | Poll has closed

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Denver Stiffs Scouting the Competition: Lakers V. Grizzlies

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Disclaimer: Scouting The Competition is just my opinions on two teams who played against each other in one game.  I do not claim to be an expert on either team featured.  Though I am familiar with both.

Disclaimer Squared:  In this particular instance I was switching between the game and election coverage, so I was not able to pay full attention.

 

That said...Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump.

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ESPN is doing their Northwestern Preview Live Daily Dime Chat. Nuggets are the topic from 3pm to 4pm. I expect the expert will be Jeremy from Roundball Mining Company. It should be interesting to probe the brain of the Ultimate Nugget Pessimist!

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I put my thoughts in a fanpost of the same title

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Denver Stiffs Coby Karl vs. Brian Butch

 

I know we all like to talk about who’s going to be the big ticket guys we can find in free agency or the draft this season.  I am definitely an advocate of going after some quality free agent signings, nothing big needs to happen but I’d like to see the Nuggets pick up at least one regular contributor via free agency/draft who was not on the team last year.  I’m also an advocate of trading JR Smith (I have been for about 9 months now) and I’m not opposed to moving Kenyon Martin either, though I’m not opposed to keeping him and letting that contract come off our books instead of someone elses.  I really think the Nuggets should take a look at the two D-league call ups they have.  While generally teams make this sort of move to pick up some non-guaranteed contracts (which are useful trading pieces, after all that’s how we stole our 2 million dollar league leader in DNP-CD), players do come from the D-league and have success.  Chris Andersen was the first such player to do so.  So I figure in a time where free agency has yet to begin, trades are next to impossible to figure out because free agency has yet to begin and the draft is still far off, why not do a write up on the two least known prospects in Denver.

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Who would you rather see on next year's roster?
Coby Karl
15 votes
Brian Butch
20 votes
Both
10 votes
Neither
11 votes

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While Melo judges beauty pageants and gets hitched, Stan tries to figure out how to circumvent NFL ownership rules, Coach Karl recovers, Bird and K-mart consider or have surgery and the rest of the team takes time off, Coby Karl hits the gym...

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Karl says things are going well. Also he give a pretty good analysis of our playoff short comings, as well as admitting a need for change (roster?) and getting Ty a bigger role.

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So Let's put aside the Bill Laimbeer, Avery Johnson, Larry Brown, or any other coach talk. Karl's our guy

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Denver Stiffs Part 2, dos, deux...Keep it the way it is



Jump!

Poll
What should the Nuggets do, blow up the roster and star fresh, or make a few minor adjustments?
Blow it up
3 votes
Keep it the way it is
12 votes

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Denver Stiffs Let's dissect the options in a 2 part series! Blow it up or keep it the way it is

Part 1-Blow it Up

 

Three words, that’s what sums it up.  Blow it up.  I’ve been a Nuggets fan since the eighties, a sports fan all my life.  I’d like to think that somewhere among the thousands of hours of sports that have passed before my eyes I’ve become fairly good at telling if at team has what it takes to truly be a championship contender, not necessarily a champion, but a bona fide contender.  The Denver Nuggets, as presently constructed, are not contenders.  Here’s why:

1. They are too small and offensively inept at the 4 and 5- Denver’s largest serviceable big man is Nene, they’re tallest is Johan Petro.  Nene is listed at 6’11" 250 lbs, he’s probably more about 6’9".  Johan is a true 7 footer, but he is raw and still needs a lot of work.  Petro most certainly has the chance of becoming the 4th or even 3rd big on the roster, but he will never be a dominant inside force.  Johan will enter his 5th season as a pro in the NBA, name me one dominant center who was as raw as Petro after 4 years in the league, you can’t.  Some will say that Petro is obviously not going to be a star, but he doesn’t need to be, fair enough.  Nene is a different story.  Nene is the best offensive option Denver has in the low post.  Kenyon Martin, Chris Andersen and Petro are all offensive liabilities.  If you’re going to have 4 bigs and three of them can’t be counted on to produce on the offensive end, then you need the fourth one to be dominant (See Tim Duncan and the rest of the scrubs the Spurs surrounded him with post-David Robinson

2) They have no discipline and no leadership-  The Chauncey trade worked for a year, but quite honestly Chauncey was given way too much credit for last year.  Look at the circumstances, Chauncey (traded) Birdman (last shot at being a pro) Nene (first season returning from cancer) and Melo (5 straight first round exits) all had huge reasons to be motivated.  After they achieved new highs they became complacent, they lost their edge on defense.  There is a culture of "I do what I want" in Denver.  Almost every single player this year, with the exception of Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson, is guilty of playing undisciplined basketball.  Whether it was Chauncey and JR jacking up ridiculous threes, Melo refusing to move the ball or take it to the rack, K-mart still thinking he can shoot a jumper or Nene’s love of the finger roll, Denver does not play disciplined basketball and besides K-mart and Afflalo, they don’t play defense.  The blame for this lies with the veterans and the coaches.  George Karl has said before he believes that a little crazy is needed to play winning basketball.  I agree, but the freedoms some players have on the court is severely hurting the team.  The veterans (Chauncey, Melo, K-mart..also our captains) don’t take accountability in their own games, let alone make others accountable.

3)  Everyone wants to be the star- Very few players on Denver (AC, Lawson, Afflalo and Petro) accept their jobs as role players with grace and go out every night and just try to help the team win.  The other role players (Nene, JR Smith, K-mart and Birdman) all try to be the hero at different times, some players certainly seem to play more for the individual then for the team.  While I would not accuse any of these players of being locker room problems (I’ll let someone else argue the ramifications of the infamous "popcorn prank"), they are problems on the court because instead of making the extra pass, or playing tight D they choose to make careless and unnecessary plays which result in turnovers and easy buckets for the opposition.  Often I feel this is result of these players trying to do too much.  JR for example, great talent, but he unnecessarily takes poor shots and the frequency of poor shots always goes up when the Nuggets are in a tough spot.  Sometimes his strategy works, but more often than not his decisions lead to poor possessions.

4) The Nuggets have players who look like they could be great, but will never be-  Two prime examples.  Nene and JR Smith.  Lets dissect JR first.  JR Smith came straight out of high school and has spent 6 years in the league.  Some of you think he’s going to be great, that he’s going to be a superstar, that he will recognize his limitless potential, he just needs a little longer to develop because he never went to college.  Well fine, look at the stars of the high school path.  Lebron James I’m throwing out because he is clearly an anomaly to the high school players need to develop longer theory.  Tracy McGrady- In his sixth year in the league McGrady had his best season ever as a pro and won the scoring title at 32.1 ppg.  He was the alpha dog of the Orlando Magic.  McGrady damn near led the Magic to become only the second ever 8 seed to beat a 1 seed, at the time.  Quite honestly this was Mcgrady’s prime.  Kobe Bryant- In his sixth year Kobe Bryant averaged 28.1 ppg as the number two man for the Lakers.  He won an NBA championship and was a vital part of a team that ended up going 16-1 in the playoffs.  Kevin Garnett- In his sixth year KG averaged a double-double at 22 ppg and just over 11 rpg and as the de facto leader of his team, led the Timberwolves to the playoffs.  JR Smith will never be a great player, he’s a good role player at best, he falls in the categories of the likes of high school draftees such as Al Harrington, Tyson Chandler, CJ Miles and Martell Webster.  Consider that Josh Smith and Monta Ellis were drafted after JR and have already surpassed him in ability, and I never even mentioned guys like Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard or Jermaine O’neal, but rest assured, by their 6th year in the league they were already much better then JR has been in his. 

Nene has spent 7 years in the league and as the 7th overall pick in the league in 2002 Denver drafted him to be the dominant inside force.  If you go back and look at any offensive post scorer, if they were going to develop into a great scorer they did it well before year 7.  You have to look no further then the same draft that Nene was taken seventh to find prime examples of this: at number 9 Phoenix took Stoudemire, and at 34 Cleveland took Carlos Boozer.  Both have become dominant post options and have been for some time, Nene will never reach that level.

So what do the Nuggets do now?  I don’t know about some of you, but I for one am not satisfied with just making the playoffs every year, the point is to win a championship.  Players like Melo don’t grow on trees and the Nuggets need to surround him with gritty, tough minded role players who accept their roles on the team.  Thus I propose a two year plan:

 

1)  Denver has the following players up for free agency-Malik Allen, Anthony Carter, Joey Graham, Johan Petro, Kenyon Martin (early termination option).  Assuming K-mart does not take his option (which he won’t) that leaves four free agents to be re-signed.  That of course would be assuming the nuggets would resign all four, which of course they won’t (Malik Allen).  Most likely Denver will be over the cap (ok make that most definitely) which leaves Denver to the Mid-level exception and minimum contracts Neither Joey Graham or Johan Petro pulled a Dahntay Jones this year and blossomed to a ridiculous contract.  If they can be had for the minimum then re-sign them, same goes for AC, look I know some of you hate him but pg’s who are willing to sit the bench and only come in when needed and bring that talent level while making a minimum contract are hard to find.  Linas Kleiza is also technically a restricted free agent.  I assume, but am not sure, that all we have to do is make a qualifying offer in order to retain Kleiza’s rights.

2) This offseason the Nuggets will have little flexibility, but they do have a mid-level exception which can be used to sign a guy for something around 5 million dollars (5.85 million dollars to be exact).  You’re not going to get a great or even good center for that kind of money.  That will have to come later in this two year plan.  What Denver should do is attempt to sign a quality role players.  It’s not out of the realm to get a quality guy (or even two) for 5.85 million.  Guys like Channing Frye, Shannon Brown and Matt Barnes were all signed last year for 3 million or less.  What Denver should find is a a combo forward (we still have yet to replace Kleiza and the three-man-big rotation killed us come end of season). A lot of you will clamor for a fourth big as well, but I argue that Johan Petro has proven he can fulfill that role for us.  Fortunately this year’s free agency period is deep and plenty of 2-3 million guys are out there.  Some names to think about

Combo Forwards- Travis Outlaw, Craig Smith, Al Harrington, Matt Barnes (he’s due to make more than his current 1.6 million and I figure he does not exercise his player option) Roger Mason, Amir Johnson, James Singleton, Hakim Warrick and there’s more than that.

My Pick- Amir Johnson. Amir has a pricey contract right now (just under 4 million) but I’d be willing to bet he ends up taking a pay cut this offseason.  At 22 he oozes potential.  He’s a tough rebounder and inside scorer who also can play D.  If you give him K-mart type minutes, he’ll put up K-mart type numbers.  He’s also very athletic.

3) Find a D-leaguer to earn a spot via summer league.  My pick, Coby Karl.  Coby should have got a spot on last season’s team.  He’s had a couple run arounds in the big leagues now and I think he can contribute some scoring off the bench which will be needed.

4) As it stand with this plan the Nuggets roster is such- Chauncey Billups, Arron Afflalo, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Nene, Ty Lawson, JR Smith, Amir Johnson, Chris Andersen, Johan Petro, Coby Karl, Anthony Carter, Renaldo Balkman and Joey Graham.  14 players, that’s one more then all of last season (unless you count Coby Karl and Brian Butch which I don’t.) So we have a roster, not exactly a blown up roster yet either and not a championship roster.  Before the season starts Melo needs to be extended, get it out of the way so there is no "will he or won’t he" terminate his contract (which he’ll have the option to do) at the end of the season.

5) Trade Nene and/or JR Smith.  I’m done with waiting on either of them.  Ideal Situation-Trade them both in a sign and trade deal for Chris Bosh (Add Balkman to that deal).  As I said, they are what they are and we need to move them before the rest of the league realizes that.  It’s real hard to try and find a trade that works at this moment because of the fact that free agency hasn’t been sorted out yet, but the idea (if we couldn’t get Bosh) would be to get three players in return for trading the two which are either solid role players or expiring contracts, one of the solid players would have to be a PF or C (I’m thinking Maressee Speights).

6) Don’t trade K-mart, keep him and his expiring contract.  Quality bigs like Greg Oden, Al Horford and Joahkim Noah will be on the market (Horford and Noah are restricted) that year, K-marts contract should be enough cash to get one of those guys.  Honestly if the Nuggets could get Horford or Noah I would be thrilled.  Plus the Nuggets would still have a chance to resign K-mart at a mid level exception type of price.  Imagine the Nugs getting Bosh in a sign and trade and signing Horford the next year.  Really they are only short a scorer off the bench, but surprise surprise Kleiza could be retained because his contract with Olympiakos will be up.  Nuggets could resign Kleiza and Afflalo(whose contract will expire in the 2011 offseason) for the Mid-level exception.

Consider this lineup (which admittedly would have to be a perfect scenario to go right, but is not impossible)

Pg- Chauncey Billups- 12.5 million

SG- Arron Afflalo- 3 million

SF- Carmelo Anthony-18 million

PF- Chris Bosh- 18 million

C- Al Horford- 10 million

Bench: Ty  Lawson (3 million), Coby Karl (1 Million), Amir Johnson (3 Million), Chris Andersen (4 Million), Johan Petro (3 million), Linas Kleiza (2 Million) and Joey Graham (1 Million).Nuggets Payroll would be right around 78 million, their payroll for the 2009-2010 season was 81.6 million.  The main thing that sticks out is the lack of an offensive wing but Kleiza will hopefully be more consistent after his stint in Europe.  Admittedly it’s a stretch.  Like I say this is a perfect scenario but you can’t tell me that isn’t a championship roster.  Surely some of you will call me a moron but is the current roster able to win a championship?  Please put your ideas in the comments section, after all playing GM is so much fun.

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Denver Stiffs Against the Jazz, I'm Going With My Gut

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Let me start off by saying that I fully wanted a Denver victory in Phoenix to end the season, setting up the dream scenario of playing a Brandon Roy-less  Blazers team who in all likely hood would have lost to Denver in 5 games. Even more so was I for Denver beating Dallas last week and never have been in this situation at all.  In hindsight, if Denver had got the 2 seed that would have landed a first round match-up with the Spurs, who would not have exactly been a cake walk.  The Nuggets however did lose to Dallas and the Spurs and the Suns in a run that lasted just over the course of a week and put us in the precarious "Laker side of the bracket" and drawing none other than the most hated of all rivals..the Jazz.

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Who wins the Series?
Denver in 4
8 votes
Denver in 5
52 votes
Denver in 6
18 votes
Denver in 7
4 votes
Utah in 4
1 votes
Utah in 5
1 votes
Utah in 6
13 votes
Utah in 7
0 votes

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Denver Stiffs March 29th, Denver V. Dallas, the day of reckoning


In a year filled with ups and downs for Denver, no greater up or down, pre-playoffs of course, will be felt than the emotions sure to run after tomorrows game.  Whether Denver finds a way to beat Dallas or succumbs to yet another heartbreaking loss, the team, the coach (get well soon!), the organization and the fans will feel it....hard.

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Denver Stiffs Scouting the Competition

 

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With no Nuggets game today I decide the best way to get my basketball fix was by watching the Portland V. Dallas game.  March madness is fun, but there is still no substitute for late season potential playoff matchup basketball.

 

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Denver Stiffs I guess I won't be getting that Tuna Fish sandwhich


Earlier in the season the joke was started around a few of us Stiffs that if we could trade AC for a tuna fish sandwich we'd do the deal in a heartbeat, only problem is the other team would be getting fleeced.  Quite fortunately, Ac has stepped up his game big time and I for one am ready to give him his due.

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What do you think of AC now?
He is killing it and I always said he would (we all know you're lying if this is your answer)
15 votes
He's doing great and has proved me, a proclaimed AC hater, wrong
52 votes
He stinks, always has, still does and always will
6 votes
Mmmm tuna fish
8 votes

81 votes | Poll has closed

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Denver Stiffs Dallas get their men

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=4912262

 

It's official.  Dallas just got a whole lot better.

 

Dallas Receives:

Caron Butler

Brendan Haywood

Deshawn Stevenson

 

Washington Receives:

Josh Howard

Drew Gooden

Quinton Ross

James Singleton

 

If you ask me, this makes Dallas a whole lot better.  Suddenly we now have two teams with ridiculous size to deal with in the west.  The bright side is, this may force Wark's hand into going after Tyrus Thomas or someone else.  The question is, if Denver stays put, do you think they have what it takes to beat the Mavs in a 7 game series?

Poll
Can Denver beat Dallas in a 7 game series in the Playoffs?
Yes, no changes to our roster need to be made
24 votes
Maybe, but it certainly won't be 5 games like last year
59 votes
No, a move must be made
18 votes
OH MY GOD!!!! TRADE MELO!
4 votes

105 votes | Poll has closed

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Denver Stiffs Three Nuggets in the All-Star game?




It's a possibility.  It's starting to sound more and more like Kobe will not play in the all-star game.  With Chauncey Billups and Chris Kaman already going from snub to star due to injuries, its possible Nene could be selected to the all star game as a replacement.  Though you have to wonder if David Stern would put three Nuggets on the roster.  Andrew Bynum is banged up as well so it's possible that he will not be eligible to play.  Really this leaves you with a few options.  Either its going to be Nene or one of these three- Marc Gasol, Carlos Boozer or Carl Landry.  Seems like Booz would get the nod, he's been playing well as of late, but heres hoping to get a third Nug in the game!

Poll
Who should replace Kobe if he is unable to play in the ASG?
Nene
20 votes
Boozer
15 votes
Wee Gasol
6 votes
Landry
3 votes
Being the coach for the west, Karl will find someway to insert AC into the game
40 votes

84 votes | Poll has closed

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Denver Stiffs Playoffs?! Don't talk about...Playoffs? You kiddin me



After defeating the Hornets in overtime the Nuggets moved a game ahead of Dallas and within 4 games of the Lakers.  Both the All-star break and the trade deadline are right around the corner and then we begin the late season playoff push.  Our favorite boys in powder blue are surely headed for the tournament, only a fool would think otherwise, but its time to start thinking about who they would face.  The Nuggets will almost undoubtedly make a top 4 seed.  I really don't see San Antonio and Portland overtaking them.

Poll
Who would you most like to see the Nugz take on in round 1?
Oklahoma City
3 votes
New Orleans
15 votes
Portland
1 votes
Houston
0 votes
Memphis
8 votes
Phoenix
1 votes
Utah
6 votes
I just hope we win a game!
4 votes

38 votes | Poll has closed

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Denver Stiffs Right team, wrong guy



The Nuggets trade chatter is hotter then ever.  Everyday we're hearing Jeff Foster, Jeff Foster.  Problem is, Foster hasn't been doing too well this season.  He's appeared in only 16 games and has averaged a measly 3.1 ppg and 5.1 rpg.  Not exactly filling up the stat sheet.  The Pacers are ready to sell and they're ready to move both Foster and Troy Murphy.  So why not go after Murphy?

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Denver Stiffs Grasping at straws now

So this one is a bit of a stretch. I can already here you guys lining up now to blast me in the comments section. Before you do though, just look at it at least.  So you're going to blast me because we take Eddy Curry in the deal.  You're probably going to blast me because we lose JR.  However, I find JR to be rather inconsistent so I'm not sure the loss is as big as it seems, talent-wise I feel like we are getting good return.  Again, I'm grasping at straws here.  I'm starting to really believe we won't be able to make a trade at all because quite frankly there are just not that many good big men out there to be had that we can really trade for, so here goes (be gentle)

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