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Bolts From The Blue How close does Philip Rivers push Peyton Manning for MVP?

So, Peyton Manning is the clear MVP right? I'm not so sure it's as obvious as most people think and I wonder how the closing argument is really all that valid. That is to say, I believe the "value" part of MVP analysis is a little distorted from what it should really mean.

Please note: The entire purpose of this article is to debunk the idea that Peyton Manning is the runaway winner for MVP and that Philip Rivers more than challenges him for the honour. This is why other candidates won't be mentioned. Also, I know John has posted a somewhat similar story and we've talked about it a bunch, but it's something I wanted to post at other places too (which is also why it may seem parts of it aren't aimed at Charger fans).

What is the MVP?

Most Valuable Player has a somewhat subjective definition. A lot of people tend to judge it by an individual player's worth to their team, but this is an unbalanced measuring stick when you try comparing different players to others on different teams. Just because one player is more valuable to one team than another is to theirs, it doesn't necessarily mean they're playing to a higher standard. I think it's abundantly clear that once you start making semi-legitimate cases for Vince Young using this philosophy, it's rather flawed.

What is generally objective of crowning an MVP? It's pretty much the player of the year right? I rarely hear the term "valuable" being used as a way to describe a players value and contribution to the league as it's most outstanding player. A $200 watch may be worth more to someone flat out broke than a millionaire's $5000 watch, but it hardly makes it more valuable. Value to their team should definitely come in to it as a contributing factor, but when you use it as the only way to make a judgement you begin making an argument that I just find utterly ludicrous, yet so few others do.

Can you hold having a good backup against a contender for the award? Billy Volek may be one of the better backups in the league but should that take away from the merits of Philip Rivers? How far does this theory go? Could Rivers be on an absolute dynasty, with an amazing backup, play out of this world good, yet not win MVP because the Colts imploded when Manning and the entire offense got yanked.

Personally, I'd rather give the award to the best player, not the guy who's team would crumble the most without him.

Has Rivers played well enough to earn MVP?

Anyway you slice it, Rivers has had an incredible season. A strong accurate arm with a beautiful deep ball. Poise and presence in the pocket. A leader on and off the field. He's playing his best football of his career, and given his upward trend over the last couple of seasons and his burning desire for self-improvement, it's scary to think how good he'll continue to be. He's been playing as well as any other quarterback in the league.

Last season, Manning won MVP for leading a team out of a 3-4 record, to finish on a huge win-streak, playing fantastically in the process. Change the record to 2-3 and you have a similar situation with Rivers. Both lines were in turmoil, the bolts were lacking in focus and it took a while to dig out of the hole. Even in losses to Pittsburgh and Baltimore, Rivers put the team on his back and nearly pulled out the wins. Since then he's been clutch as they've come. He led the team on late, 4th quarter drives to win games against Raiders, Giants and Bengals. He looked supreme in games won by large margins (including those that appeared closer than they were thanks to garbage scores). A big part of the turnaround was Norv Turner (anyone who thinks the Chargers are streaking like this in spite of Norv are plain wrong), but a massive part was Rivers.

Rivers has some excellent targets that create mismatches for opposing defenses, but he makes use of them like few others can. He likely throws more high-risk balls than anyone else in the league, yet posted single digit receptions (a few of which came on tipped balls that should probably have been caught) and a 65.2% completion rate. In the offense San Diego runs, that's just plain ridiculous. Any criticisms Rivers has had (e.g. not being a winner, being a poor leader of the offense and generally being a stat whore) he's surely answered and then some.

Rivers vs. Manning: A comparison.

Manning does have Rivers beat in some key stats, namely yards, touchdowns and completion percentage. However, Manning also threw many more passes than Rivers, who has a Yards per Attempt of 8.8 compared to Manning's 7.9. That's almost a full yard. Think about just how good Peyton has been and then try to imagine this gulf in Y/A. Manning's higher completion could easily be explained as being a result of throwing shorter, easier to complete passes.

Rivers has Manning beat in other stats, too. He has less interceptions (9 to 16), a higher QB Rating, a better TD:INT ration, many more 40+ yard plays and a higher amount of 1st downs thrown per pass (a league leading 42.8%). That last stat is huge in my opinion.

Over the last half of the season I think Rivers has been the better QB. Manning had a stretch of 9 interceptions in 5 games, the same amount of picks Rivers had over the entire season. He also  posted only two 100+ QB Ratings in his last 8 games (not including the final two, where he got pulled early – not that it stopped Rivers from putting up a 101.8 rating against the Redskins). Rivers had 5 out of 8 in this respect. In this stretch he also had a massive four games over 130. Manning threw interceptions in 11 out of 16 games, with 4 multi-pick games. Rivers threw interceptions in 6 out of 16 games, with 3 multi-pick games (with no 3+ pick games, compared to Manning's 1).

I'll now be bringing up a stat called DVOA. For those unfamiliar with it, this is a short explanation:

Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. DVOA breaks down every single play of the NFL season to see how much success offensive players achieved in each specific situation compared to the league average in that situation, adjusted for the strength of the opponent.

In DVOA, Rivers leads Manning (and indeed, the rest of the league) 46.1% to 38.1%. Manning is good for only 5th in the league.

In DYAR (a similar stat, which measures a player's cumulative DVOA in it's simplest terms), Manning edges out Rivers 1,932 to 1,919. An extremely slim lead that can be explained by Manning's higher amount of attempts.

Chargers offense vs. Colts offense

Many people are saying Manning as a relatively poor supporting cast. I don't agree. I actually think it's a reasonably close comparison. Manning and Rivers are both the focal point of the offense. They each have a legitimate WR1 (Wayne/Jackson), an elite TE (Clark/Gates), an up and coming big play WR2 (Garcon/Floyd) and a talented, young WR3 who still contributes effectively (Collie/Naanee).

Both teams have had injuries on the O-line. I can't comment too accurately on the Colts line, although I know their starting LT has been hurt. I don't know if it could compare to the issues the Chargers line has been dealing with. In preseason they had a rookie RG (Louis Vasquez) who won his position battle basically by default. In the first game, he went down, as well as starting Center, Nick Hardwick, the lynch pin of the line. Vasquez missed only a couple of games, but Hardwick was out until just a couple of weeks prior to the end of the regular season. Their replacements? At Center, Scott Murczkowski (a converted Guard). At RG, Brandyn Dombrowski (not even converted, a Tackle playing out of position – and a natural LT at that). It took the line several games to gel and had another set back when starting RT, Jeromey Clary was placed on IR with a season-ending leg injury.

The Colts running game is no hot stuff, with the Chargers averaging a slightly worse 3.3 yards per carry. It just about does the job in terms of maintaining any semblance of balance by not allowing the defense to completely sell out against the pass. For both teams, the run game (barely) keeps the offense ticking, but it's the aerial attack that wins games.

Conclusion

I don't believe it's cut and dry at all. A thoroughly legitimate argument can be made for Philip Rivers to not only be Peyton Manning's runner up, but ahead of him as the 2009 NFL MVP. They have both led their team's under sizeable burdens and played as well as, if not better, than anyone else. Peyton gets added credit for being a "coach on the field", but Rivers beats him in efficiency, looks after the ball better and has done it in more tumultuous circumstances (Manning has a new Head Coach but he was slowly transitioned in and it's still pretty much the same organisation). A runaway win for Manning, it should not be.

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Hardwick had a "setback" and is likely two or three weeks from playing -- ka

over 2 years ago Pensivedog_tiny gman87 9 comments

SAN DIEGO – In June, Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson tried to have a judge throw out blood-alcohol evidence against him stemming from his arrest on a drunken-driving charge Jan. 6. San Diego Superior Court Judge Cynthia Bashant rejected that request, leading Jackson to appeal her ruling in July.

over 2 years ago Pensivedog_tiny gman87 0 comments

Bolts From The Blue Is Philip Rivers a Stat Whore?

The Fantasy Football Cafe is by far my favourite fantasy football website. It's low on nifty features, but is a massive resource in terms of knowledge and discussion and I wouldn't be close to the fantasy player I am without it. However, some times posts are made by members I respect immensely for their knowledge that I couldn't disagree more with. This was one of them.

What I said was all the blame on Turner. I can't stand him as a head coach and am on record here saying I think he should be the first HC fired. But, there is blame that needs to lie squarely on the shoulders of Rivers. Watch the games. Many, many times he doesn't take the simply dump off to LT or Sproles when they are the 2nd read in the progression. He either chooses not to take it or simply doesn't see it.

I've also stated that I beleive Rivers and/or Cutler are the next Marino. All the talent in the world for a statistical QB but I believe there is a very real chacne they never win Superbowls. They play too selfishly. Things can change and the ego can get knocked out of them but from what I have seen so far... they are stat whores and not winners.

I couldn't disagree more and my response is after the jump.

I'm hoping this will turn into a discussion about the rest of the league's opinion on Rivers. I continue to be flat out surprised by how little respect he gets for the talented, hard-working player he is. Why is this? Surely his reputation for jawing with opponents doesn't affect people's opinion of him that much? It boggles my mind.

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Chargers acquired NT Travis Johnson from the Texans in exchange for undisclosed compensation.

The Texans were fed up with Johnson's inability to practice, but they've just given up their most gifted run stopper. The compensation is likely no more than a mid- to late-round pick, making the deal a steal for San Diego. Johnson, the 16th overall pick in 2005, is only 27 and could play either end or the nose in San Diego, where depth is needed behind aging NT Jamal Williams. Houston's run defense has struggled this preseason and now looks worse.

almost 3 years ago Pensivedog_tiny gman87 34 comments 1 recs

Fantasy Files: Darren Sproles

almost 3 years ago Pensivedog_tiny gman87 1 comment

Bolts From The Blue Fantasy Sleeper: Malcom Floyd

I had originally planned on my next fantasy article being dedicated to breaking down the running backs and what roles they will play (and how well they'll perform them), but all I have running through my mind at the moment is just how criminally underrated Malcom Floyd is, both in fantasy and real life.

How underrated exactly? I'll put it this way: One of my leagues is a 12 team Dynasty league with 25 roster spots. For those not familiar with this type of league, a Dynasty one is where you basically keep your entire roster each year, and hold a small rookie draft. The idea is to mimic franchise building. In this league, Malcom Floyd is not currently rostered, even though I consider the other league owners to be pretty knowledgeable. As soon as free agency opens, you can be sure he's on my team.

According to Average Draft Position (ADP) data at MockDraftCentral.com, arguably the best mocking site around, Floyd is unranked. Making the list are players such as Matt Jones, Jason Avant, Antwaan Randle El, Dwayne Jarrett and Josh Reed. I don't get it. What upside do these guys offer that Malcom Floyd doesn't? Well, I'm going to tell you why he's one of my sleepers for 2009 and beyond.

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Bolts From The Blue Philip Rivers - A Fantasy Outlook

Philip Rivers is a player evoking many differences of opinion in fantasy circles. Last year he was a stud, leading the league in passer rating and touchdowns (34), while recording only 11 interceptions. He was a top 5 QB in pretty much every format and led many teams, including one of mine, to a championship.

Some expect a repeat performance. Some don't. They say he doesn't pass enough, that his extraordinarily high efficiency was a fluke and won't be repeated. They're right about one thing; that efficiency will be hard to repeat, but I'm not ready to dismiss last year as a fluke just yet, so I'm going to try to breakdown just why he was so good and why he can be that good again.

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Kevin Ellison blowing up DeSean Jackson.

Now that's the type of hit we're missing from any of our current safeties. Hopefully Ellison can adapt enough to beomce a starter, or at least we can carve out a niche for him. We could certainly use some extra steel in the secondary.

almost 3 years ago Pensivedog_tiny gman87 5 comments 1 recs