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what's the story with the weight issue rumors for Manny and Floyd?



Greetings all,

I've read a couple of stories (which might have no credibility, posted over the last 24 hours) about Floyd dropping out of the fight due to Team Manny not wanting to give him the weight wiggle room he enjoyed against Marquez.  However, what weight is or was agreed to remains unknown.  As a fan, I was worried about this possible development.  I don't see why both fighters could not meet at 147, as Floyd is not a huge or even big welterweight.  Unless of course Floyd suddenly feels like coming in over. What do all of you think about the weight issue, and the olympic drug testing that Mayweather's camp wants?

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Update: Cameron Dunkin, Pavlik's co-manager, addresses rumors

Pavliktaylor_mediumAlthough Pedro Fernandez of Ring Talk is reporting that middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik has recently entered a rehabilitation center for alcohol abuse, Brandon Wright, of the the Plain Dealer is reporting that fellow Plain Dealer reporter Joe Maxse spoke with Cameron Dunkin, Pavlik's co-manager, who vehemently denied Fernandez's story.

Dunkin responds to the accusations:

"He's not in rehab. He hasn't been in rehab," Dunkin said of Pavlik. "It's not true. Pedro Fernandez is a scumbag. These guys write it, and everyone on the Internet went with it. They're not journalists. They're not accountable to anyone. Who gives this guy any credibility?"

Dunkin also adds that Pavlik has been contacted for comment on the rumors and that his father Mike, his other co-manager, is "furious."

Notes from SC: While we made it clear we were merely sharing a rumor from Pedro Fernandez, Bad Left Hook apologizes if the Pavlik family suffered any embarrassment or hurt from our post. We gladly retract the story and now post this -- gleefully, even, because it means that one of the best fighters in the sport isn't going through anything so serious.

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Rafael: Pacquiao-Hatton did about 825-850K domestically

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I don't know if anyone else posted or addressed this, but Dan Rafael, in his blog, mentioned that Arum wants to keep it under wraps:

For whatever reason, Arum doesn't want to give them out, nor will he allow his partners at Golden Boy or HBO PPV to disclose them. What does he have to hide, anyway?

However, being a resourceful kind of guy with pretty darn good sources in the boxing business and television industry, I got the number, Arum's secrecy be damned. From what my sources tell me, the fight sits at about 825,000 domestic pay-per-view buys with the likelihood that when they're all counted, the total will reach 850,000 or more.

Arum's tactics seem, to me at least, to be a move in fear of giving Floyd any leverage on possible future neogotiations, saying that his fight with Hatton did better, etc.

[The rest is from SC, making this a collaborative piece!]

I think my favorite part here is this quote from Arum: "We did very well. Everyone involved in this event did a good job, but it's nobody's business what the numbers are but ours and the fighters. I'm not gonna release the figures."

In other words, "F*** me, this wasn't the 'record-breaker' I made it out to be and now I look like a dope, so shut up and leave me alone about it!"

The fact is 825-850,000 domestic buys is a remarkable number. As Rafael notes, it is the second-biggest boxing PPV ever that did not have Mike Tyson, Oscar de la Hoya or Evander Holyfield (behind the 915K that Mayweather-Hatton did).

Rafael also says that Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy and HBO's Mark Taffet are going along with Arum's bizarre request to not release the numbers and neither are thrilled about it. Schaefer, who co-promotes Hatton, and HBO must be thrilled with the number, while Arum talks Pacquiao up as if overnight he became Muhammad Ali mixed with Oscar de la Hoya and probably finds it hard to swallow the fact that not every single person on earth was terribly captivated by his eight-round whipping of an old-looking de la Hoya in December. Ask casual fans that watched that fight what they saw -- it's often a lot different than what "we" saw.

Pacquiao is the Top Rank meal ticket, but no matter how successful he is, when you combine a lot of factors (one of which is the recession), he's not going to be Oscar de la Hoya on PPV, at least not immediately, and I think this might bother Arum a little bit. The speculation that he might've wanted to use the Manny-Ricky number to leverage Floyd could also be true.

But he has to realize something else: All Pacquiao did was raise his profile as a "can't miss" fighter with the Hatton bombing. And another thing: He's not going to leverage Mayweather, who promotes himself and like it or not (and I don't, really, because it possibly prevents great fights) he's damn savvy enough to know that they need him for X fight or Y fight. The truth is, if Arum, Pacquiao and Roach want Floyd bad enough, they'll have to back down a little when negotiation time comes.

I say congratulations to Top Rank, Golden Boy, HBO, Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton on the great success of this fight, because they deserve it. Sorry, Bobbo.

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The Love for Lesnar (queries)

First of all, let me say that I am a big fan of this site and the bulk of the posters here.  The people here are more friendly and knowledgable then other sites (Sherdog, etc.).

  I know that a lot of you are big on Lesnar as an MMA fighter, and while I think he has a lot of natural gifts and potential, I can still see him  losing to Mir again (yes I'm aware of the standup issue) or to Carwin or even Junior Dos Santos.

Yes Brock is very big and strong, but he was not able to finish Heath by KO or sub, even though he took his back on numerous occasions.  I also think that dropping Randy, while impressive, does not speak to the quality of his standup skills.

  I'd also like to think that Brock's reach is what caused trouble for Randy.  Chuck got to his chin twice and I think it is Randy's footwork and spacing that kept him out of trouble against Gonzaga and Tim, not his "iron" chin.

Brock is a physical freak with a great wrestling base.  However, I think the move to crown him as the next great heavyweight is a bit quick,  His standup is sloppy, and he does not appear to have added any kind of submission base to his wrestling.

Might he have these tools?  Yes, we only have four fights to judge Brock's ability, so I think any rush to judgement, on either side of the Lesnar debate, is premature.

Besides, Lesnar is older than Mir, and it remains to be seen if his career will be long like Randy's, with productive years into his 40's, or will some of his athletic prowess leave him in only a several years, much as Hughes has suffered a quick decline.

Although Brock has a lot of assets as a fighter, I am not convinced of his evolution as an MMA fighter.  He could very well run through Mir, but I would not be surprised if he is subbed either.

Brock is still new to this sport, and unlike Coleman, who was able to use his wrestling to beat and neutralize other one dimensional fighters early in his career, Lesnar will continue to face opponents who are well-versed in several disciplines.  Although his physical advantages are great, they cannot completely offset what his future opponents will continue to bring to the table, if Brock does not learn and adopt new MMA techniques to catch up with the next generation of fighters.

I look forward to seeing what Brock has or hasn't learned since his first encounter with Mir.  Lesnar might be THE heavyweight for the next several years, but to give him that title now is far too early, at least in my mind.

(Not intended as Brock hate)

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