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OT Hockey 10/6

It felt like forever, but it's baaaack!

8 months ago Lordemostabe_tiny renstar 495 comments

OT Fantasy Hockey 9/30/2011 - Let the Trashtalk Begin

I know that there are a few leagues running with Rink Rats and Rabbits. Feel free to talk about those, or any other leagues you are in, here.

8 months ago Lordemostabe_tiny renstar 28 comments

Japers' Rink On Penalty Kill Rankings


As promised, (and just in time for the post lunch slacking) I've compiled similar statistics for penalty kills as I did for power plays (note: the PP statistics will be be updated to include games through 10/26 soon).

Again, the idea is that keeping track of mere occurrences is a fairly coarse metric of penalty killing efficiencies (PK%).  Instead, I determine rankings by the number of goals against per 2 minute short handed situation (PK G/2; thanks F&B!).  I argue that this is a better metric because if two teams both allow goals on every power play, but one allows them in the first 30 seconds and the other in the last 30 seconds, the second team should have a higher ranking, even if the end result is the same.  Also, teams get more credit for killing 5 minute majors in my system, as a full kill essentially counts as 2.5 kills, while under the old system it only counts as 1.  Likewise, for my whipping boy play, the 9 minute PP the Caps had vs Calgary last year gave the Flames a perfect 3/3 for killing 7 minutes of penalties.  That is the same 3/3 they would have had if the Caps remained ineffective and Nylander had not taken a minor.  In my system they effectively killed 3.5 penalties in the game situation.  They would have had 4.5 had the Caps not evened up the teams.

When looking at the numbers from the 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons, we see that the old metric (PK/G (NHL)) tends to overestimate the number of short handed situations before a goal is given up (PK/G) by around 1.  For teams with better PK units it overestimates by far more than one.  I have included the number of goals allowed per 60 minutes of short handed time as well (PK G/60) because, while it is a mere scaling of PK G/2, I find it more readable.

For comparison to a rather well understood season, here are the data for 2008-2009:



Old Stats New Stats
Rank Team PK GA PKs PK/G (NHL) PK% Rank (NHL) Min/PK PK/G (New) PK G/60 PK G/2
1 Minnesota Wild 36 291 8.08 87.63 2 01:42 6.90 4.35 0.1449
2 New York Rangers 40 329 8.23 87.84 1 01:38 6.73 4.46 0.1485
3 St. Louis Blues 58 357 6.16 83.75 3 01:38 5.06 5.93 0.1977
4 Calgary Flames 58 349 6.02 83.38 4 01:39 4.97 6.04 0.2013
5 Los Angeles Kings 62 362 5.84 82.87 7 01:40 4.90 6.12 0.2041
6 Philadelphia Flyers 67 393 5.87 82.95 6 01:38 4.81 6.24 0.2078
7 San Jose Sharks 51 304 5.96 83.22 5 01:35 4.76 6.31 0.2103
8 Pittsburgh Penguins 60 348 5.80 82.76 8 01:37 4.73 6.34 0.2113
9 Florida Panthers 54 311 5.76 82.64 9 01:37 4.69 6.40 0.2132
10 Nashville Predators 59 338 5.73 82.54 10 01:37 4.66 6.43 0.2144
11 Boston Bruins 54 307 5.69 82.41 12 01:37 4.63 6.48 0.2161
12 Columbus Blue Jackets 62 346 5.58 82.08 13 01:36 4.49 6.69 0.2229
13 Ottawa Senators 64 346 5.41 81.50 15 01:38 4.44 6.76 0.2254
14 Montreal Canadiens 65 370 5.69 82.43 11 01:33 4.42 6.79 0.2263
15 Buffalo Sabres 61 336 5.51 81.85 14 01:35 4.39 6.84 0.2280
16 Vancouver Canucks 69 371 5.38 81.40 16 01:34 4.24 7.08 0.2359
17 Carolina Hurricanes 59 301 5.10 80.40 18 01:36 4.10 7.32 0.2439
18 Chicago Blackhawks 64 324 5.06 80.25 19 01:36 4.06 7.40 0.2466
19 New Jersey Devils 65 324 4.99 79.94 20 01:37 4.04 7.42 0.2474
20 Anaheim Ducks 78 385 4.94 79.74 23 01:38 4.04 7.43 0.2476
21 Washington Capitals 75 387 5.16 80.62 17 01:33 4.04 7.43 0.2477
22 Colorado Avalanche 64 318 4.97 79.87 21 01:36 3.99 7.51 0.2504
23 New York Islanders 73 361 4.95 79.78 22 01:35 3.95 7.60 0.2535
24 Dallas Stars 70 326 4.66 78.53 24 01:40 3.90 7.69 0.2562
25 Detroit Red Wings 70 324 4.63 78.40 25 01:35 3.69 8.13 0.2708
26 Edmonton Oilers 76 338 4.45 77.51 27 01:37 3.60 8.32 0.2774
27 Tampa Bay Lightning 89 405 4.55 78.02 26 01:34 3.58 8.38 0.2793
28 Atlanta Thrashers 88 366 4.16 75.96 29 01:34 3.26 9.20 0.3067
29 Phoenix Coyotes 68 292 4.29 76.71 28 01:30 3.24 9.25 0.3084
30 Toronto Maple Leafs 78 308 3.95 74.68 30 01:33 3.07 9.76 0.3255

The data through October 26, 2009 for the 2009-2010 season is here:



Old Stats New Stats
Rank Team PK GA PKs PK/G (NHL) PK% Rank (NHL) Min/PK PK/G (New) PK G/60 PK G/2
1 Minnesota Wild 4 38 9.50 89.47 2 01:48 8.58 3.50 0.1166
2 Ottawa Senators 4 39 9.75 89.74 1 01:41 8.24 3.64 0.1214
3 Atlanta Thrashers 5 36 7.20 86.11 4 01:41 6.11 4.91 0.1636
4 New York Rangers 8 59 7.38 86.44 3 01:34 5.79 5.18 0.1727
5 Colorado Avalanche 8 51 6.38 84.31 6 01:40 5.36 5.60 0.1866
6 Philadelphia Flyers 6 41 6.83 85.37 5 01:31 5.21 5.76 0.1921
7 Chicago Blackhawks 6 37 6.17 83.78 7 01:39 5.10 5.88 0.1960
8 Washington Capitals 8 49 6.13 83.67 8 01:34 4.81 6.24 0.2081
9 New York Islanders 7 37 5.29 81.08 11 01:42 4.53 6.62 0.2207
10 Pittsburgh Penguins 9 50 5.56 82.00 10 01:37 4.50 6.67 0.2224
11 San Jose Sharks 9 50 5.56 82.00 9 01:35 4.43 6.77 0.2256
12 Vancouver Canucks 9 47 5.22 80.85 14 01:39 4.31 6.96 0.2319
13 Carolina Hurricanes 11 58 5.27 81.03 12 01:36 4.26 7.05 0.2350
14 Columbus Blue Jackets 8 42 5.25 80.95 13 01:34 4.13 7.27 0.2424
15 St. Louis Blues 8 40 5.00 80.00 15 01:37 4.08 7.36 0.2453
16 New Jersey Devils 7 34 4.86 79.41 16 01:34 3.81 7.87 0.2623
17 Buffalo Sabres 6 28 4.67 78.57 17 01:35 3.71 8.08 0.2694
18 Tampa Bay Lightning 9 39 4.33 76.92 20 01:36 3.48 8.61 0.2870
19 Edmonton Oilers 10 43 4.30 76.74 21 01:36 3.45 8.69 0.2896
20 Detroit Red Wings 8 35 4.38 77.14 19 01:31 3.32 9.03 0.3010
21 Dallas Stars 10 41 4.10 75.61 23 01:36 3.30 9.10 0.3034
22 Calgary Flames 10 42 4.20 76.19 22 01:33 3.26 9.20 0.3067
23 Montreal Canadiens 10 44 4.40 77.27 18 01:27 3.19 9.40 0.3132
24 Anaheim Ducks 11 44 4.00 75.00 26 01:35 3.18 9.42 0.3141
25 Boston Bruins 10 41 4.10 75.61 25 01:32 3.17 9.46 0.3153
26 Phoenix Coyotes 10 41 4.10 75.61 24 01:27 2.98 10.06 0.3354
27 Los Angeles Kings 14 50 3.57 72.00 29 01:38 2.92 10.26 0.3419
28 Nashville Predators 9 35 3.89 74.29 27 01:23 2.69 11.14 0.3713
29 Florida Panthers 11 40 3.64 72.50 28 01:26 2.62 11.45 0.3817
30 Toronto Maple Leafs 13 35 2.69 62.86 30 01:29 2.02 14.89 0.4963

In this data we see that while Ottawa has the highest ranked power play in the old metric, Minnesota is truely the dominant team.  And boy are they good.  Their penalty kills last a full 7 seconds longer, on average, than the next closest team, 14 seconds longer than the average, and 25 seconds (almost 1/4 of a PP) longer than the worst.  Additionally, while the old metric shows that they actually would allow a goal 30 seconds earlier than Ottawa, we see that they would actually last more than 30 seconds longer.  We also see how bad they Leafs penalty kill really is.  The Leafs are allowing goals at a rate of slightly less than 1 for every 2 full penalty kills.

As for the Caps (this being a Caps blog and me being a Caps fan, after all), they aren't too shabby given the relative lack of discipline.  They don't take a hard hit in the new metric (unlike the new power play metric).

I'll be updateing these stats as the season progresses.  When grad school gets out of the way for a few hours I will post everything on an external site, rather than cluttering fan posts with updates.

Next in the series will be a look at 5v3, 5v4, and 4v4 situations.

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Japers' Rink On Power Play Rankings

For quite a few years I have pondered the meaning of the percentages provided as official measure of power play and penalty killing success.  To me, they never seemed to be a fair assessment of a team's PP or PK ability because

  1. A PP/PK of any length counts toward the total.  Team A, Player 1 takes a tripping call at 19:57 in the 3rd and it counts as a PK when it is inevitably killed off, helping Team B's PK ranking and hurting Team A's PP ranking.
  2. If Team A scores two goals on a PP from a major penalty, are they 1 for 1 or 2 for 1.  They aren't 200% on the PP for that game, are they? They were successful on 100% of their PP's but showing them as 1 for 1 is also not really indicative of the game situation.
  3. In last year's painful first period against Calgary, where Tyler Sloan earned the Caps a 9 minute power play,  Washington was able to do precisely nothing with it (well, they did manage to turn it into a 7 minute PP).  On the official score sheet, this counted as 0 for 3 on the PP (2 minors and 1 major), however the team managed to score no goals on 7 full minutes of PP time.

This last one really got me thinking about this issue and I occasionally dabbled with writing a script to parse the RTSS data and figure out how good a PP team the Caps really are.  I was even more motivated (yet still managed to do nothing) when the Caps finished the year ranked 2nd on the PP.  One part laziness + one part not knowing how to quantify things + 3 parts grad school forced this to the back burner.

A couple of weeks ago I realized that PP effectiveness might be measured just like the Goals Against Average, i.e., Goals (scored or allowed) per 60 minutes.  I've adapted my parser to handle the 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons (2007-2008 will come, they changed the page formatting some), so we can look at the results.  Thanks to F&B for the suggestion to look at Goals per 2 min of PP and the number of PPs per Goal.  I've added these columns to the tables and rearranged things a little to make it more readable.

First, the 2008-2009 season, since that data is complete and we have a firm idea of where teams should be:


Old Method New Method Comparison
Team PPG PP Att PP % PP / G PPG PP Time Min / PP PPG / 60 PPG / 2 PP / G Old Rank New Rank Delta PP / G Delta
WASHINGTON CAPITALS 85 337 27.27 3.96 85 08:22:27 00:01:29 10.15 0.34 2.96 2 1 1 -1.01
DETROIT RED WINGS 90 348 28.57 3.87 90 09:01:19 00:01:33 9.98 0.33 3.01 1 2 -1 -0.86
SAN JOSE SHARKS 87 360 28.57 4.14 87 09:24:09 00:01:34 9.25 0.31 3.24 3 3 0 -0.9
ANAHEIM DUCKS 73 308 27.50 4.22 73 08:11:30 00:01:36 8.91 0.30 3.37 4 4 0 -0.85
BOSTON BRUINS 74 313 27.27 4.23 74 08:20:18 00:01:36 8.88 0.30 3.38 5 5 0 -0.85
PHILADELPHIA FLYERS 71 316 28.57 4.45 71 08:09:30 00:01:33 8.7 0.29 3.45 6 6 0 -1
BUFFALO SABRES 75 358 27.78 4.77 75 09:23:54 00:01:35 7.98 0.27 3.76 7 7 0 -1.01
ST. LOUIS BLUES 72 351 25.71 4.88 72 09:24:09 00:01:36 7.66 0.26 3.92 8 8 0 -0.96
MINNESOTA WILD 66 328 25.00 4.97 66 08:46:29 00:01:36 7.52 0.25 3.99 9 9 0 -0.98
CANADIENS MONTREAL 72 374 21.62 5.19 72 09:49:25 00:01:35 7.33 0.24 4.09 12 10 2 -1.1
OTTAWA SENATORS 66 339 23.81 5.14 66 09:03:33 00:01:36 7.29 0.24 4.12 10 11 -1 -1.02
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS 69 360 20.59 5.22 69 09:36:28 00:01:36 7.18 0.24 4.18 13 12 1 -1.04
ATLANTA THRASHERS 69 357 22.86 5.17 69 09:37:34 00:01:37 7.17 0.24 4.19 11 13 -2 -0.99
LOS ANGELES KINGS 69 360 20.00 5.22 69 09:40:46 00:01:37 7.13 0.24 4.21 14 14 0 -1.01
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS 62 331 20.83 5.34 62 08:47:42 00:01:36 7.05 0.23 4.26 17 15 2 -1.08
CAROLINA HURRICANES 70 374 20.83 5.34 70 10:05:33 00:01:37 6.94 0.23 4.33 18 16 2 -1.02
VANCOUVER CANUCKS 67 357 18.18 5.33 67 09:43:37 00:01:38 6.89 0.23 4.36 16 17 -1 -0.97
NEW JERSEY DEVILS 58 307 19.35 5.29 58 08:25:26 00:01:39 6.89 0.23 4.36 15 18 -3 -0.94
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING 61 343 18.75 5.62 61 09:12:14 00:01:37 6.63 0.22 4.53 19 19 0 -1.1
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS 62 360 16.67 5.81 62 09:39:59 00:01:37 6.41 0.21 4.68 20 20 0 -1.13
NEW YORK ISLANDERS 54 320 17.07 5.93 54 08:37:57 00:01:37 6.26 0.21 4.80 23 21 2 -1.13
EDMONTON OILERS 60 354 16.67 5.9 60 09:38:44 00:01:38 6.22 0.21 4.82 22 22 0 -1.08
CALGARY FLAMES 61 358 16.67 5.87 61 09:56:38 00:01:40 6.13 0.20 4.89 21 23 -2 -0.98
FLORIDA PANTHERS 51 308 16.22 6.04 51 08:40:02 00:01:41 5.88 0.20 5.10 24 24 0 -0.94
COLORADO AVALANCHE 50 317 14.29 6.34 50 08:40:03 00:01:38 5.77 0.19 5.20 25 25 0 -1.14
NASHVILLE PREDATORS 50 318 14.29 6.36 50 08:44:38 00:01:39 5.72 0.19 5.25 26 26 0 -1.11
DALLAS STARS 54 351 14.29 6.5 54 09:44:37 00:01:40 5.54 0.18 5.41 27 27 0 -1.09
PHOENIX COYOTES 50 341 13.79 6.82 50 09:35:21 00:01:41 5.21 0.17 5.75 28 28 0 -1.07
NEW YORK RANGERS 48 347 12.50 7.23 48 09:21:40 00:01:37 5.13 0.17 5.85 29 29 0 -1.38
COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 41 322 9.09 7.85 41 08:47:25 00:01:38 4.66 0.16 6.43 30 30 0 -1.42

The important things to see in this chart are the 2nd and 3rd columns, which contain the PP effectiveness as measured by the league and my method.  The 8th and 9th columns have each teams rankings under the two metrics and the last column contains the difference.

So, what do we learn from this?  The answer is not much.  It appears that those rare arbitrary situations don't affect the final rankings too drastically.  But, as fans we like to see that the Caps moved into the #1 spot.  (Don't get your hopes up for the PK data, though.)  The Devil's drop of three spots is interesting though, I'm not sure what to draw from that. 

One thing that we learn is that the Capital's have really short power plays, on average, when compared to the rest of the league.  This is clearly due to good goal scoring but I'd be willing to wager some of this is due to taking bad penalties that end PPs early.

For completeness, here is this season's data (through Friday, October 23):


Old Method New Method Comparison
Team PPG PP Att PP % PP / G PPG PP Time Min / PP PPG / 60 PPG / 2 PP / G Old Rank New Rank Delta PP / G Delta
NEW YORK RANGERS 12 44 27.27 3.67 12 01:01:39 00:01:24 11.68 0.39 2.57 7 1 6 -1.1
CALGARY FLAMES 8 28 28.57 3.5 8 00:41:33 00:01:29 11.55 0.39 2.60 2 2 0 -0.9
ATLANTA THRASHERS 8 28 28.57 3.5 8 00:42:46 00:01:32 11.22 0.37 2.67 1 3 -2 -0.83
VANCOUVER CANUCKS 11 40 27.50 3.64 11 01:00:10 00:01:30 10.97 0.37 2.73 5 4 1 -0.9
SAN JOSE SHARKS 12 44 27.27 3.67 12 01:07:46 00:01:32 10.62 0.35 2.82 6 5 1 -0.84
COLORADO AVALANCHE 12 42 28.57 3.5 12 01:10:00 00:01:40 10.29 0.34 2.92 3 6 -3 -0.58
DETROIT RED WINGS 10 36 27.78 3.6 10 00:59:54 00:01:40 10.02 0.33 2.99 4 7 -3 -0.61
PHILADELPHIA FLYERS 9 35 25.71 3.89 9 00:54:31 00:01:33 9.91 0.33 3.03 8 8 0 -0.86
COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 8 32 25.00 4 8 00:49:34 00:01:33 9.68 0.32 3.10 9 9 0 -0.9
PHOENIX COYOTES 8 37 21.62 4.63 8 00:55:22 00:01:30 8.67 0.29 3.46 12 10 2 -1.16
MINNESOTA WILD 10 42 23.81 4.2 10 01:09:19 00:01:39 8.66 0.29 3.47 10 11 -1 -0.73
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS 7 34 20.59 4.86 7 00:49:54 00:01:28 8.42 0.28 3.56 15 12 3 -1.29
EDMONTON OILERS 8 35 22.86 4.38 8 00:58:06 00:01:40 8.26 0.28 3.63 11 13 -2 -0.74
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS 9 45 20.00 5 9 01:07:02 00:01:29 8.06 0.27 3.72 16 14 2 -1.28
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS 5 24 20.83 4.8 5 00:37:26 00:01:34 8.01 0.27 3.74 13 15 -2 -1.06
LOS ANGELES KINGS 10 48 20.83 4.8 10 01:15:04 00:01:34 7.99 0.27 3.75 14 16 -2 -1.05
WASHINGTON CAPITALS 8 44 18.18 5.5 8 01:08:16 00:01:33 7.03 0.23 4.27 19 17 2 -1.23
NEW YORK ISLANDERS 6 31 19.35 5.17 6 00:53:29 00:01:44 6.73 0.22 4.46 17 18 -1 -0.71
ST. LOUIS BLUES 6 32 18.75 5.33 6 00:53:44 00:01:41 6.70 0.22 4.48 18 19 -1 -0.86
BUFFALO SABRES 6 36 16.67 6 6 00:55:53 00:01:33 6.44 0.21 4.66 21 20 1 -1.34
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING 7 41 17.07 5.86 7 01:06:15 00:01:37 6.34 0.21 4.73 20 21 -1 -1.13
BOSTON BRUINS 6 36 16.67 6 6 00:57:42 00:01:36 6.24 0.21 4.81 23 22 1 -1.19
DALLAS STARS 7 42 16.67 6 7 01:10:34 00:01:41 5.95 0.20 5.04 22 23 -1 -0.96
CANADIENS MONTREAL 6 37 16.22 6.17 6 01:00:33 00:01:38 5.95 0.20 5.05 24 24 0 -1.12
CAROLINA HURRICANES 6 42 14.29 7 6 01:06:38 00:01:35 5.40 0.18 5.55 27 25 2 -1.45
NEW JERSEY DEVILS 5 35 14.29 7 5 00:55:43 00:01:36 5.38 0.18 5.57 26 26 0 -1.43
FLORIDA PANTHERS 5 35 14.29 7 5 00:56:07 00:01:36 5.35 0.18 5.61 25 27 -2 -1.39
ANAHEIM DUCKS 4 29 13.79 7.25 4 00:46:12 00:01:36 5.20 0.17 5.77 28 28 0 -1.48
OTTAWA SENATORS 4 32 12.50 8 4 00:51:52 00:01:37 4.63 0.15 6.48 29 29 0 -1.52
NASHVILLE PREDATORS 3 33 9.09 11 3 00:58:29 00:01:46 3.08 0.10 9.75 30 30 0 -1.25

Interestingly, the Caps still have a far shorter average PP time than teams that are near them in the rankings.  I wish I could explain that somehow.  We'll have to see as the season goes on, I'll update my numbers and post them again sometime a month or two from now.

An interesting note from looking at the PP/G data is that the current method for computing PP efficiency seems to overestimate the number of PPs required to produce a goal by more than 1 on average.

Stay tuned for data on penalty kills.  That data is processed but I havn't had a chance to look at it in too much detail, that and I'm still figuring out what these data mea, if anything.  Additionally, if anyone is curious, I actually have the breakdowns for one- and two-man advantages as well as both 5-5 and 4-4 even strength times, so I can spit those into a table at any time.

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"What, I can't play hard against him? What is he going to do, cry?"

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