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Mile High Report Clever Like a Fox

After careful consideration I've concluded that John Fox knows more about football than I do.  I was expecting us to draft Marcel Dareus and maybe another defensive tackle or two.  To my dismay we got Von Miller and some other nice prospects but no defensive tackles.  Then I saw a table — can somebody tell me who posted it, so I can give credit? — suggesting that teams with dominant running attacks don't win nearly as consistently as teams with dominant passing attacks.  I suspect the obverse is also true, that if a team can only do one or the other it's better to have a dominant pass defense than a dominant run defense.  And with that thought I began to get a glimmer of what Fox has been up to.

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Don't know if I agree or not, but it's an interesting take that I haven't heard of. Given the pro and anti-Tebow fans endlessly repeating the same arguments it's nice to see one I haven't seen before.

6 months ago Closeup2_tiny spock 17 comments

This Bleacher Report piece is interesting mainly because it shows how someone who's not a Broncos fan sees Orton's abilities and deficiencies. While not sugarcoating his weakness (tendency to fall down from a puff of air) it describes him as a smart, savvy QB (who's gotten better every year) who's capable of mentoring a young QB while in the meantime being the missing piece of an otherwise ready-to-make-a-Superbowl-run team. He thinks Orton is well worth a second round pick, and thinks the 49ers could trade him in two or three years for a fourth round pick from a team that needs a mentor for THEIR shiny new QB.

9 months ago Closeup2_tiny spock 13 comments

More motivational material. Hope the broncos are aware that they're being taken so lightly in Baltimore and take umbrage. Hope the Ravens players are as cocksure as the local media. This writer wants the Ravens to blow out the Broncos, in an easy game for a change, before getting ready for the Patriots.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 9 comments

From the article: "There are three teams with fewer than 150 total career starts by their first-team offensive linemen — the Broncos, 49ers (119) and Bills (143). Denver is the only team of that trio with a win, a testament of the ability of the defense (particularly against the run) and Kyle Orton’s efforts to carry the team through the ground game’s rough patch." Nice article which puts our run difficulties into perspective.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 0 comments 3 recs

Nice piece about Broncos' training camp focussing on Orton. I didn't realize that Orton was dealing with two ankle injuries last year. According to Orton in the article he never quite got over the anle injury he suffered in Chicago, so he was never healthy last season. Now he is, and is having a great camp.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 6 comments 1 recs

Nice piece on denverbroncos.com by Eric Detweiler on Jarvis Moss. Apparently this off-season he really got his head on straight, dedicated himself totally to football, and has been working extremely hard ever since: "Three days into training camp, the 6-foot-7, 257-pound linebacker continues to impress coaches and teammates with his transformation." If he continues to shine it would almost be like we had an another extra pick this year and took a hotshot linebacker.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 7 comments

Mile High Report Things I'm Curious About

Now that the off-season is over we can start getting some of our questions answered. Heading into training camp a number of concerns are on my mind. None tops run defense. Ours was atrocious when it mattered most, at the end of the season and in the final game. I understand that the down linemen supposedly wore down and that the addition of Bannan, Williams and Green is supposed to fix that, but that's not the whole story. While having last year's starters as backups suggests the overall level of play will rise, that doesn't fully address the issue of why last year's run defense was outstanding early and wretched late. McDaniels has mentioned a number of times how badly last year's team reacted to defeat, suggesting that this was what caused losses to snowball into losing streaks. Perhaps part of what was missing on the line was veteran leadership. The offense had more reasons to decline yet fell off only modestly. It was the defense that just tanked. If young guys falling into a blue funk was part of the reason for the defense's precipitous decline, perhaps there's a second and more subtle reason for bringing in Bannan, Williams and Green. They'll be a steadying influence on the  young players and will help prevent a reoccurrence of last year's psychological meltdown.

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Eagles fans still feeling the pain. What a coup that was.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 12 comments

What it says. A nicer than nice review of the upcoming season, balanced and surprisingly knowledgeable. Saw some things I didn't know about.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 21 comments 8 recs

Mile High Report Reaching Out


I just read a Woody Paige article, Elway back in Broncos' grace, which I notice Gr3yStreet has submitted as a FanShot. It's a feel-good read. John is golfing with Josh, John recently attended a mini-camp workout, John wants to be involved with the Broncos. It always puzzled me that John, the greatest Bronco ever, was so disinterested in getting involved with the team. It puzzled me that Rod Smith, one of the classiest acts ever, who bleeds for the  Broncos and is loyalty personified, was "too busy" to be involved. Now we see Smith tutoring Demaryius Thomas after previously trying to work with Marshall. Is McDaniels really as hard to get along with as reputed? Does he really drive away talented players? Or does he simply lack patience for guys whose brilliant me-first stats somehow don't translate into team wins? The quality free agents he's managed to attract suggest that good players do want to play for McDaniels, and it's equally clear that he's managed to make Bronco greats Elway and Smith feel wanted and valued.

Why were they so estranged? I can't speak for Smith but Paige's article suggests it was Shanahan who kept Elway at arm's length.

Elway said: "I told Mike I understood the relationship between head coach and player. My father (Jack) was a coach. I told him I wouldn't cross the line, but he made sure I didn't. . . . However, even after Shanahan and Elway won two Super Bowls (after losing three together) and John retired, the abyss widened, because Bowlen had shouted "this one's for John" after the first title, Shanahan didn't want Elway in an executive role, and if the coach won without Elway, that one would be for Shanahan."

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Legwold responds to a reader wondering why we haven't heard more about Brandstater. Some highlights: "As far as ever becoming a starter, that will likely hinge on his ability to shorten the time between when he sees something on the field in terms of coverages, etc., and when he can process that and release the ball. . . . Guys become starters when they can make the decisions and get the ball out. . . . Some players simply take too long to see it, process it and let go of the ball. The hesitation costs them what little open space there is on the field to make a play . . . If he speeds up his decisions, that that will give him the best chance to play. But that's true for many young quarterbacks." I've previously discussed "information processing speed" as one of the most important factors that determines whether or not a player is successful in the NFL.

over 1 year ago Closeup2_tiny spock 15 comments 2 recs

Delightfully wacky write-up of Denver-Dallas game. Sounds a lot like a previous write-up by a sports reporter in India. Here's a sample:

"2009 NFL regular season games over the fourth week in succession to, Dallas Cowboys Denver Broncos assumed personal experiences at home, after a fierce battle, cowboy crash in the fourth quarter to 10 lost by more than 17, suffered the second defeat this season. Since 2003, the Denver Broncos the first time in four straight start, firmly occupy the top American League West, while the Cowboys in the National League East is only third."

Shades of Horvil Tiki!

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 0 comments 1 recs

Here's one guy who thinks the Broncos are for real. He says nice things about the defense, McDaniels, the running game and -- gasp! -- Kyle Orton: "That trade doesn’t look too bad right now, does it?"

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 0 comments

Sam Dudley pans Orton, B-Marsh and the offense, lauds McDaniels, Nolan and the defense, and is opinionated but entertaining throughout.

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 2 comments

BIGGEST SURPRISE: Elvis Dumervil never had played outside linebakcer before this year but looked natural in preseason. The coaches won't ask Dumervil to drop into coverage much, but he can rush the quarterback and could get double-digit sacks.

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 1 comment

BIGGEST SURPRISE: CB Dominique Foxworth played mostly "off" coverage in Denver and Atlanta but is shining in the Ravens' bump-and-run scheme. He played well in [reseason and even shut down Carolina's Steve Smith.

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 4 comments

This from today's Sporting News on the Broncos. I'd do a link instead but I don't think it would work:

The coaches say they are pleased with the progress of the defense. The unit had plenty of question marks coming into the preseason, especially with a switch to a 3-4 scheme. Not every issue has been resolved, but Denver is tied for fourth in the NFL in total defense in the preseason, allowing only 263 yards per game. . . . While there are still some mistakes with assignments, the players have taken to coordinator Mike Nolan's aggressive approach. They're pressuring the quarterback, recording seven sacks in two games, and giving up 3.9 yards per carry. . . .

That's hardly a guarantee of success in the regular season, but it's more encouraging than doing badly. They also mention that the defense is doing this without Dawkins, and that he'll be ready for the opener.

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 5 comments 2 recs

What's funny is the receiver is reduced to defending the guy who threw him under the bus: "Hester admitted Monday that Cutler's comment upset him at first. 'But then he (Cutler) said he didn't say it,' Hester said." And much, much more. For additional stories just google "Cutler calls out Hester". In the comments section to one of the articles some moron opines that Marshall and Royal are just average receivers who Jay made look good. If we're drinking kool-aid they must be pouring it over their heads!

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 2 comments

Mile High Report Orton vs Cutler — a Statistical Comparison

The following, culled from nfl.com, analyzes Kyle Orton's and Jay Cutler's stats for passes 1-10, 11-20,  21-30, and 31+ in a game, and their performance during the first, second, third and fourth quarters.  The desirability of such a comparison occurred to me while I was reviewing Orton's stats and discovered that he appears to be extraordinarily effective early on and then tails off.  I wondered why that was so and also how it differed from Cutler's pattern.  First, the stats themselves.  For each line I list the completion percent, yards per attempt, TD-INT ratio, first down percent and quarterback rating.

                              Comp%             Y/A             TD-INT          1st Down%        Rating

Orton

 1-10                       65.3                 7.3                7-1                  34.7                 99.8
11-20                      57.6                 5.8                3-3                  27.8                 72.7
21-30                      52.1                 6.2                6-8                  28.1                 60.2
31+                          56.0                 5.7                2-0                  30.6                 86.0

Cutler

 1-10                       64.4                 8.0                8-6                  40.6                 90.3
11-20                      66.2                 8.0                5-4                  38.1                 90.6
21-30                      59.2                 6.8                4-3                  30.6                 80.3
31+                          59.1                 6.4                8-5                  34.2                 82.0

Orton

1st quarter           70.5                  8.2                6-0                  38.9               116.1
2nd                         56.3                  5.8                5-3                  27.5                 76.2
3rd                          52.7                  5.8                5-5                  24.5                 66.5
4th                          57.1                  6.0                2-4                  31.2                 65.7

Cutler

1st quarter          65.7                   7.4                7-5                  39.9                 89.4
2nd                        62.3                   7.6                5-4                  34.9                 85.5
3rd                         61.9                   7.2                2-5                  34.4                 74.9
4th                         59.9                   7.3               11-4                 35.3                 94.2

Notice that Orton has a QB rating of 116.1 for the first quarter, 76.2 for the second quarter, then 66.5 and 65.7 for the third and fourth quarters.  The 116.1 is the number that jumped out at me and ultimately led to this mini-project.  It was totally unexpected.  Why was he so brilliant so early and so ordinary thereafter?  Further, notice that his rating for the first 10 passes is lower, meaning he was especially effective the first 6 or 7 passes (because on average he'd have thrown fewer than 10 passes per quarter).  I included Cutler to see how his pattern differed.  We know his overall numbers, except for red zone and last two minutes, are much better,  and we've already, in numerous threads, speculated about the extent to which having a better line, receivers and coaching, and a more pass-friendly offense, was a factor.  What I'm interested in here is how and why their numbers changed over the course of a typical game. 

On the face of it, especially in the breakdown by quarters, Orton tended to start strong and finish weak, with a drastic drop-off between the first and second quarters and a much smaller but still noticeable dip between the second and third.  Cutler, in contrast, was solid in the first half, had a noticeable dip in the third quarter, then bounced back for a strong fourth-quarter finish.  Was he better in crunchtime or was he playing catch-up against a prevent defense with the Broncos trailing by one or more TDs?  Did Orton start strong when playing for the lead and then play defensively and less effectively trying to protect that lead?  Was the coach's offensive play-calling, when the Bears were ahead, a factor in Orton's performance?

One reason I included both sets of stats, even though they cover much of the same ground, is that the analysis by passes rather than quarters reveals an interesting subpattern, namely that Orten tended to drop off after the first 10 passes, Cutler after the first 20.  Did Orton tire sooner than Cutler?  We've talked about arm strength but not arm endurance, how much a QB's passing performance falls off due to fatigue over the course of a game.  It could be argued that Cutler has so much excess strength that even when fatigued he throws a powerful ball when lesser QBs are reduced to wounded ducks.  But it's also possible that in addition to QB fatigue and coaching strategy, receiver performance over the course of the game is a factor.  How well-conditioned and disciplined were the Bears' receivers?  Did their performance deteriorate as the game went on?

I haven't offered as many answers as I usually do in an article.  Instead, I've highlighted an interesting anomaly and offered a sketchy preliminary analysis in hopes that others might join in and offer their own thoughts about the cause and significance of these differences.  Thanks to all who take the time to read and ponder this.

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Larry Mayer moronically asserts that "Cutler seemingly proved Angelo’s theory that the quarterback-makes-the-receiver the past few seasons with the Broncos" by citing the emergence of BM and Royal during his tenure. Obviously, in his logically challenged mind, any receiver who does well does so due to Cutler, not due to any attributes he might possess. "Cutler isn’t the only example of a great quarterback making his receivers into elite players." Article has no comments section. If it had he'd have gotten an earful from me.

over 2 years ago Closeup2_tiny spock 15 comments 1 recs

Mile High Report Evaluations: Cutler, Orton, McDaniels

How did it get so far? Saying that McDaniels blundered, or that Cutler took McDaniels' willingness to entertain offers too personally, or that Cook had a game plan for which the Cassel incident supplied a handy pretext are not totally satisfying, although I've subscribed to each. I can even add another, call it the evil genius theory, in which McDaniels doesn't think Cutler is a winner but realizes that if he just puts him on the block teams will be wary. What does McDaniels know that we don't? Even if they bid they'll do so more cautiously and ultimately less generously. If, however, he subtly pushes Jay's buttons until Jay "forces" his way out of Denver, others will see not questions about his abilities but immaturity, which they think they can deal with. Hence his trade value will be maximized.

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Mile High Report Why Jay Faded: His Prospects for 2009

Recent analyses of Cutler's 2008 season have been paradoxical, seeming to indicate both that he performed well under pressure and that he choked. On the one hand I recall someone mentioning that his third-down conversion percentage was 45 percent vs the league average of 37, and that he did relatively well in the fourth quarter. On the other hand Denver was one of the top scoring teams after three games but was something like 24th the rest of the way; and Jay's QB ratings for the last three games were 74.3, 72.4 and 74.9, respectively, when one big game might have been enough to get us into the playoffs. Can we resolve this paradox and arrive at a deeper understanding?

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Mile High Report Winning

Vindication is sweet. I've always felt that subtleties matter, that the "best" player in a game isn't necessarily the one with the gaudiest stats. Best in this context means the player who most enhances his team's chances of winning. I just got through reading an article, "The No-Stats All-Star", that brilliantly explicates this notion. The article is about a basketball player but it's relevant to football, to coaches and players, and to the upcoming draft.

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Piece on the evolution of the position of safety along with some draft reviews.

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Mile High Report Evaluating Talent - IPS Revisited

It's that time of year when a major concern of the coaches and of us, the fans, is judging college talent as a prelude to the draft. About nine months ago, just before last year's draft, I wrote a piece titled "Information Processing Speed". The impetus was my desire to understand why some can't-miss players, like Ryan Leaf, flame out and why some late-round nobodies, like Tom Brady, unexpectedly blossom at the next level. I suggested that a key factor was the upper limit of the speed with which a player is able to process information, to track who's where and what's happening in the pellmell chaos of a developing play and react decisively and fortuitously. What clued me in to the possible utility of such a category were the frequent remarks by players that what shocked them most when they turned pro was how fast things happen; and critiques of third or fourth-year quarterbacks who'd shown dramatic improvement that amounted to some version of, "The game has slowed down for him."

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Mile High Report Our Safety Situation

A recent article on Josh Barrett, titled "Barrett seizes chance to shine for Broncos", along with D.J.'s impending return to his weakside linebacker spot, which Wesley Woodyard has been manning in spectacular fashion, has me thinking about next year's safety situation. I'm not the only one wondering where Woodyard will play in the coming weeks, given that all of us, including apparently Coach Shanahan, agree that he needs to play somewhere. But what about next year, when a more permanent solution can be developed? Can you imagine Woodyard, who has played the position before, and Barrett as our starting safeties?

An interesting sidenote in the article, which relates to something written by HT (or was it Styg or Guru?), is this comment from Barrett: "Barrett said he’s actually thankful he was on the practice squad for the first 11 weeks. That experience allowed him to absorb more knowledge. 'It’s been gradual, but the amount of information and the validity of that information that I’ve gotten, you can’t put a price to it,' he said." Since the point has been made in these pages that it was better for him to learn on the practice squad than being prematurely thrown to the wolves and perhaps losing confidence, someone needs to take a bow.

In the offchance that this does come to pass, that Barrett and Woodyard become (next year) our starting safeties, which position should each play? At first glance one would think Barrett, with his blazing speed, should be the free safety, but I think Woodyard's remarkable read and react skills--he appears to be far ahead of Barrett in that respect--make him the better candidate. What do the rest of you think?

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The comments are what makes this worth reading. We all feel horrible at the egg the Broncos laid, but it makes me feel better (not a lot, but a little bit) to hear the Charger fans bitch and moan at the missed opportunity, at the poor play of the Chargers (and Phyliss!), and the coaching job Turner has, um perpetrated. Reminds me of the movie in which two guys are digging in a graveyard and one's complaining. The second one says, "Could be worse." The first one says, "How!?" Second guy says, "Could be raining." And then of course the thunder rolls and the downpour commences. Well, for those fans unhappy with Shanahan it could be worse. We could have Norv Turner coaching our young and inexperienced players and looking for his first or second win.

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Mile High Report Delayed reaction

Just got home from work a little while ago. When I left it was halftime with Denver trailing 20-10, and I hadn't heard anything in the interim. I was oh so tempted to crack open the paper I had picked up on the way home, to see how badly the Broncos lost. Instead, I resumed watching the game, cringing at the thought of what was to follow, wondering about my own masochism for putting myself through it. Then, after trading field goals, Royal's big play. Do they have a chance? No, don't get your hopes up. It'll only hurt worse. And then the turnover. The defense actually forced a turnover. Ohmigod! And the Broncos drive down and score again. And after Cleveland scores to retake the lead, the Broncos drive down and score again, thanks to an amazing fourth down effort from Hillis.

Some post-game impressions. One, it was so good to see the Broncos, led by some of their youngest, least experienced players, pick themselves up off the ground when all seemed lost, when the season seemed to be circling the drain. Two, some of the defenders need to have stenciled on their foreheads, "Just do your damned job." Early in the game I watched Winborn come crashing in from the left, trying to get in on the play, and losing contain as the runner went thataway. Later in the game I saw Ekuban do the same thing. Just do your damned job! Three, Hillis is the real deal. So is Woodyard. So is Spencer. We already know about Royal and Clady. Ryan Harris has been solid. Moss is beginning to show signs of life. Many other young plaers are showing promise. Our recent drafting has been brilliant and we are building the nucleus of a powerful football team.

Four, much of Cutler's recent struggles and interceptions appear to be due to miscommunications with his receivers, especially Marshall, and the fault is less Cutler's than Marshall's. But it has made Cutler hesitant and less effective. Let's hope they're back on the same page and Denver's offense is back on track. Five, the scenario I casually threw out before the game, Spencer at fullback blocking for Hillis at tailback, might be surprisingly effective and not just a stopgap. Finally, six, way to go Broncos! As always, Cleveland is good for what ails us.

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