Haren Perspective

stlzoot — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:13:50 -0000

There has been alot of discussion about how the Haren/Mulder trade was a disaster. I agree with most of it, but I also don't believe that Danny Haren would have been half the pitcher he is today if he stayed with the Cardinals.

I am going to compare his stats to another Cardinal Prospect in the minors, and see if I can at least semi-justify my belief.

Haren's minor league stats:

Year Age W L G GS CG SV IP H R ER BB SO ERA WHIP

2001 20 3 3 12 8 0 1 52 47 22 18 8 57 3.12 1.06

2002 21 10 9 28 28 2 0 194 179 75 59 31 171 2.74 1.08

2003 22 8 1 16 16 0 0 101 86 33 30 14 84 2.67 0.99

2004 23 11 4 21 21 0 0 128 137 60 59 33 150 4.15 1.33

Total 32 17 77 73 2 1 475 449 190 166 86 462 3.15 1.13

Anthony Reyes Minor leagur stats:

2004 22 8 2 18 18 0 0 105 94 44 40 20 138 3.43 1.09

2005 23 7 6 23 23 2 0 128.2 105 55 52 34 136 3.64 1.08

2006 24 13 13 0 0 84 70 27 24 11 82 2.57 0.96

2007 25 1 1 6 6 0 0 38.2 27 12 12 11 33 2.79 0.98

2008 26 4 3 13 13 0 0 65.2 61 25 23 25 55 3.01 1.23

Total 20 12 73 73 2 0 525.6 357 163 151 101 444 3.22 1.09

Here are their first years as starters in the A.L.:

Year Ag W L G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA WHIP

Haren:

2005 24 14 12 34 34 3 0 0 217.0 212 101 90 26 53 163 3.73 1.221

Reyes:

2008 26 2 1 5 5 0 0 0 31.3 30 7 7 2 11 14 2.01 1.309

Granted there is a big difference between Haren, and Reyes number of starts in their A.L. debut seasons. but as you can tell from their minor league stats (especially K's Hits, ER, ERA and WHIP) That they were pretty much the same pitcher.

I have heard all the comments from TLP and Duncan about how much Duncan wanted to keep Haren, but they didn't.

Now it looks like it is happening again with Reyes (albeit it is a very small sample size, and he could still implode, but that is for another discussion.)

This is my first Fanpost, so if this has been discussed before I appologize, but I believe I have shown with their minor league stats that Haren wouldn't have been the Ace he is today if he stayed with the Cardinals.

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Haren Perspective