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New Question on Developmental QBs
The purpose of writing this is to confront those who think a late-round (relatively speaking) QB is a waste of a draft pick, as well as to get a measure on the general opinion regarding drafting a QB in the 4+th round.
Maybe this is just me, and if so, please let me know, but, I have noticed a lot of people throw around statements like "I would never take QB-X before round-Y because he would take Z-years to develop." I think this is just an over-simplification used by too many people, occasionally myself included, to reject prospects that are not among their favorites at the position, upon finding them mock-ed.
Would it be fair for me to suggest that, especially in the case of QB prospects, there be a distinction made between developmental guys, meaning raw or those who weren' t asked to do NFL-type things, and guys that are probably prepared from a coaching/mental standpoint and just need to prove they can still perform against NFL competition?
tldr: does anyone else think successful QBs that might be considered overly-deficient in some area should be talked about differently than the Kaepernick/Osweiler/LeviBrown's of the world, i.e., the Moore/Wilson/Weedon/Cousins's.
Mock Piggyback
Piggybacking on that last Drafttek Mock, I used their simulator as well.
An interesting side-note before the Mock, when all of their force-grabs were eliminated (besides Luck and RG3), the resulting top ten was:
Colts: Luck
Redskins: Griffin
Vikings: Khalil
Browns: Blackmon
Buccos: Kuechly
Rams: Reiff
Jaguars: Coples
Dolphins: Mercilus
Panthers: Cox
and.... (if your paying attention you probably could guess this one)
Peter King Fleshes Out Merriman Story
"1. It's pronounced Chy-lie, not Chill-ee. So no Skyline for you. Same with Jay-va (not Jah-va). I think Rochester-area folks inhaled a bit too much developing fluid fumes."
It's such a pleasant turnaround regarding the Bills coverage by the national media this year as opposed to last. Sure, there's still a share of uninspired stories decrying them as a laughingstock, but they are generally quick to demonstrate their unfamiliarity with the team. King *godforbid* highlights Buffalo [Merriman] here, in a pretty objective fashion.
Mike Ditka
What if Chan/Buddy pulled a Ditka and did whatever it took to draft Luck? I'm not suggesting they go all the way and completely mortgage the entire draft like my fellow alumnus did in NO, just a really big chunk of it.
What if they make Carolina the proverbial "offer they can't refuse"? Would it be effective? Is Luck good enough? Can the team recover if the price is high?
Keep in mind, Carolina does have a developmental potential Franchise guy, Luck doesnt have to start anytime soon, there might not even be football next year, etc....
Everybody Hates Chris.... I mean the Bills
Is anybody else sick of all the people hating on the Bills all offseason? I know they're not exactly in early 90's form, but they are also not as bad as I keep hearing they are.
As a sports-news fanatic who spends waaaay too much time at work on ESPN.com, SI.com, this site, etc..., I have probably read every article regarding all things Buffalo Bills this offseason, and its not exactly been a fun experiance.
Everywhere I go I'm confronted with statements calling the Bills 'devoid of talent' or predicting a last place finish and subsequent first overall pick. When did the Bills become the Lions of 5 years ago? How can a team be "devoid of talent" when every investigation into the recent draft classes reveals some pretty solid, if not occasionally misguided, and at the very least average selections; definitely nothing even comparable to Millen's 9 straight 1st round WRs.
I'm not delirious; I do watch the games; and I recognize that its been a bit of a chore to watch the ineptitude that has exemplified their offensive production the last few years. But their worst record has been 6-10. They were 2-4 in the division last year, and should have been 3-3 if it wasnt for a fluke. They essentially beat each of their divisional foes last year, considered a train-wreck by pretty much everyone. That season is one huge laundry list of all the things that make a team fail: injuries on the offensive line, actually injuries everywhere, suspended star running back, unexplained (and downright idiodic) coaching turnover right before the season, awful run defense... etc.
How can this team be worse than that one? I dont see anything that makes me believe the offense will be worse. In fact, it looks improved in most areas. The one area that concerned me was the front 7 of the defense, partially due to the 3-4 transition, and what area has had more focus placed on it by the personnel dept.? The run defense was the most atrocious element of the Bills, and they have done everything they can to fix that. Why does the fact that not much changed on offense mean they are worse?
Maybe I'm blinded by fandom, but when you stack this team next to last years, I see a better product. And finally, I refuse to subscribe to the theory that the other 3 have gotten so much better this offseason that the Bills have been left in the dust. Whats the last blockbuster move Bill Polian made with the Colts during an offseason? Last time I checked, his team hasn't been left behind.
Schobel's Gone... OK
This is not to detract at all from the wonderful career he has had or the impressive contribution he has made to this team. That said:
The Result of the Last 36hrs of My Life
Which were originally earmarked for teaching myself 4 chapters of organic chemistry... gotta love dropped exam grades. lol (this would be much less sad if it wasn't true)
So I'm all hopped up on Caffeine and Adderol (i have ADD, I swear...) which might account for a slight hyperactivity during the aforementioned time period comment-wise, sorry if my whacked out state has caused me to step on some toes. its already caused me to write one really really misguided Fanpost which thankfully the wonderful staff here removed mere seconds after I dropped it. Very ranty, sorta meanspirited, and not very well put together.
But enough about me, lets talk Turkey, or rather, to quoth Chix (dont remember which one): Baby.
Jason Campbell is the latest 'Hot' CoED QB to draw the interest of this fanbase, now that McNabb is taken care of.
I say trade for Campbell: for a 4th or a 4th and a conditional 4-5 next year, maybe 3-4-5 with really high requirements for the 3rd, like 10 touchdowns and a playoff berth... wait a minute those conditions sound really familiar... Oh well, must be related to a player whose time in Buffalo was irrelevant. (but realistically, I'm talking 25-30TDs and a playoff berth for that 3rd, just to dangle it)
Gaither is also a big topic here. When he first came up, I sorta blew it off, thinking that the extra LT from a team that just drafted Oher isn't a solution. I then noticed that the Gaither talk wasnt going away, so I looked into it.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/4/5/1407011/why-gaither-is-worth-even-41
Lets just say, I was impressed. And props to TrueFootballFocus.com, they must live in a film room.
So Clausen is a guy I could get behind pretty easily, I almost went to ND myself (then decided to go to a school with good sports ;)), and he is great at the end of the game. Except I like him, I dont Love him. Theres a couple players I would rather draft, except that its hard to pass on a QB; JC is on track to become the Michael Oher of the 2010 draft if the Bills skip him.
Tebow is also interesting, If you could take Bradford's long accuracy, Clausen's release and footwork, and Tebow's everything else, I refuse to ever say the 'I' word again until after the draft, I'd be in Bills heaven, but alas you cant. Hes a second rounder, and, as far as I'm concerned, a backup plan.
Bradford was never an option. The rest arent good enough. I like Brown and Skelton, but they are lightyears from starting and the needs are too many to invest long term in a boom or bust QB with no alternative to lead the team till hes ready.
Enter Jason Campbell: Hes got better stats than any Bill since Bledsoe, has improved each of his 3.5 years, and throws the same PassAttempt:INT ratio that Peyton does.
- Under Gibbs, he started out playing a system that was old fashioned, and ineffective without a healthy Portis (its like the jackelope... some say this rare variation of the species Clintonitus Portisitis does exist, but no one has ever seen one), then moved on to a West Coast offense under coach Jim Zorn when Gibbs failed to keep the franchise competitive..
-The Redskins line was just as bad as the Bills last year and he still outperformed Fitzgedwards handily, and while his team didn't implode days before the opener, his coach, also offensive playcaller, recieved a resounding vote of no-confidence when he was forcibly stripped of his manhood playcalling duties.
-the position of QB coach was basically in constant flux through his time in Washington as well. He hasnt lived up to his draft position, but perhaps a change of scenery and hopefully alittle stability will help him out... the stuff is there, its all about the polish.
Then the 'Skins took McNabb, in what is sure to be the off-season move most likely to bore every AFC team fan for the entire season when they discuss nothing else on ESPN.
This is how i propose sh..tuff goes down:
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Why Gaither is Worth even #41
I was unsure about Gaither being some other team's leftover at such a big position so i looked him up and bit and TrueFootballFocus.com backs up all the love out there for him with some pretty interesting stats. Look at the table at the bottom
The Best Mock Draft Ever...
... done by me. Also happens to be the only mock draft done by me. No need to be gentle.
This is assuming a trade with the Giants: 9 for 15, 77,113
Yes, there is no QB. Clausen and Bradford are the only starting caliber QBs in this draft imo, and I like Dan Williams and a 3rd and 4th over taking a shot on one of them; there are just too many holes. And thats without even considering the fact that the Bills don't have any healthy OT's.
1st. Dan Williams-Tennessee NT 6-2 329
2nd. Brandon Spikes-Florida ILB 6-3 256
3rd. Jared Veldheer-Hillsdale OT 6-8 315
3rd. Arthur Jones-'Cuse 3-4DE 6-3 295
4th. Marshall Newhouse-TCU OG 6-3 326
4th. Ciron Black-LSU RT 6-5 331
5th. Trevard Lindley-Kentucky CB 5-11 178
6th. Adrian Tracy-William & Mary OLB 6-3 248
6th. Danario Alexander-Missouri WR 6-5 221
7th. James Starks RB-Buffalo 6-2 218
7th. Sam Maxwell OLB-Kentucky 6-3 248
Looking back I might like to take an OLB alittle earlier, but hey, that's what Maybin's for, right?
On the whole, if the Bills pulled this off, grabbed a QB capable of staying for 2-3 yrs and mentoring a new guy next year (Pennington), and got some solid depth in FA, they could be good in the not-so-far-off future.
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