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He is supposed to miss the Spring Game. Maxwell is the projected starter after spending the last two years as the backup. Michigan State only has one other scholorship QB.

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"What are we talking about here? We’re talking about money. That’s what they’ve got to figure out. Who’s going to be in the league anyway when it’s all said and done? It’s all this if, if, if, if," Petersen said Monday.

"But if the money thing all makes sense — that’s been the big issue with all this stuff — then I think you take the next step."

With the Big 12 looking set at 10 and in a different direction, this might be the best step for the time being.

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Still unsure how the dominos will roll for Boise State, but the Big 12 is now a very real possibility.

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Chris Duhon inked a 4 year/15 million deal with the Orlando Magic. The Magic have longed seemed like a logical sign and trade partner for CJ Watson. If CJ gets an offer close to that I think the ownership will pass. Looks like both CJ and Anthony Morrow might be priced out of our spending range.

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Golden State Of Mind Blazer VP Penn out, Pritchard might be on his way... can we get them?



The Portland Trailblazers have parted ways with Tom Penn, their Vice President and the rumor is that Kevin Pritchard might be next on the firing line.  As most of you know, KP is one of the brightest general managers who turned under achieving over payed Jail Blazers in to one of the most promising young teams.


http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2010/03/canzano_vulcans_are_hovering_a.html

One quote of interest:

"They can't do Kevin in the middle of the season, but they can do a drive-by on someone close to him," said Warren LeGarie, the agent for Penn and Pritchard. "But guess who would be next?"


The Warriors are horrible and we as fans spend a lot of time imagining trades, and debating which players to keep, and what we should do at the head coaching position.  But what we really need is a guy to be given the keys to the Basketball Operations.  Credit to Chris Cohan for staying out of the way and doing that at first.  However Cohan being Cohan hired 3 ridiculously inept people to run the team, namely Twardzik, St Jean, and Carlisemo.  We can debate on whether Chris Mullin would have eventually got us there, but he was definitely no genius here.  If Cohan wants to make one last ditch attempt of being the owner of decent basket ball franchise, he should bring in Penn as the President of Basketball Operations and Pritchard as General Manager.

We can debate Wright v Randolph or Curry v Ellis for hours, but what the team really needs is someone credible with a vision and direction.  Chris Cohan hire these guys turn the basketball ops to them.

Poll
What would you want the Warriors to do?
Stay the course with Riley and Nelson
5 votes
Bring in Penn and Pritchard if they are available
45 votes
Penn, Pritchard, Riley, and Nelson are all not the answer. Someone else
11 votes

61 votes | Poll has closed

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Golden State Of Mind 2011-2012 Season should be the End Game

 

 The Warriors are in midst of another season where we are headed to another high lottery pick.  Nothing new here, but what do we do to fix the problem?  Making 1 trade or firing our coach won't make us an elite Western Conference team. We need to establish a long term plan.  2011-2012, that season should be our end game.  We are not going to the playoffs this season, and odds are that we won't make it next season either.  Let's start formulating a plan to make to the playoffs in the near future and a plan to stay there.  Plan of Attack:

This Season

-Trade Corey Maggette

Sounds impossible, right?  It just depends what we are asking for.  A combination of Maggette and expiring contracts for 2011 expiring contracts could be enticing to many teams especially if we agree to take back worthless players.  Examples

-Maggette and expiring contracts for Eddie Curry and Jared Jeffries, and possibly Wilson Chandler

-Maggette and expiring contracts for Michael Redd.

-Maggette and expiring contracts for Peja Stojakovich

The idea is if we are asking for no talent back, and contracts that don't expire till the end of next season and offering those teams salary relief at the end of this season, it might not be as hard to move him as thought possible.

-Trade CJ Watson

If we offer expiring contracts plus CJ Watson and be willing to take back contracts that don't expire till 2011, getting a late first rounder will be simple, we might be able to score additional first or second round draft picks.

Off Season

-Seek replacements for Nellie and his entourage

Nellie is a great coach and he is going to be gone after the 2010-2011 season at the latest.  If there is a better coach available at the time, pick him up.  If not a suitable candidate is available, simple wait till the end of the following season.  When Nellie leaves, it's time for Riley and Smart and the rest of the Nellie regime to leave as well.  The general manager position would have to be filled to, so start looking for candidates either this offseason or next.

-Draft the best player available

Take the player that has the most overall talent available and worry about fitting our pieces together.  It's time to take the risky high potential players.

-Give Anthony Morrow the QO

By giving Anthony Morrow the QO, he would still be a restricted free agent at the end of the 2011 season with a cap hold of fewer than 2 million dollars.  If a team signs him to an offer sheet, we will have to match it, but hopefully we can skate by with keeping him on the books for cheap at the moment.  In the 2011 summer, we can sign him to a long term lucrative deal after exhausting our cap space.

-Don't use the Mid-Level or Bi-Annual exception to sign a long term deal

Save our cap space for the following summer.  Fill out the roster with veterans at the minimum and D-Leaguers.  Use the MLE only if a player is willing to sign for only 1 season.

-Try to trade Monta Ellis

In the much hyped 2010 free agent ‘bonanza' there will be many teams that walk away empty handed.  If any of those teams want to grab Ellis for expiring contracts and draft picks, it might be the perfect opportunity to sell while Ellis's stock is at its highest.

Next Season

-Trade Vladimir Radmanovic, Ronny Turiaf, Brandan Wright, and Kelenna Azibuike

Trade these guys during the season to any contenders that want some help.  Pick up expiring contracts and draft picks.  If unsuccessful at trading them, they will come off the books at the end of the season. Radmanovic can have some value as a backup wing player.  Turiaf is signed for the following season at a little over 4 million (PO) but that's not an overpay for a quality backup big man. Wright would still only be 22 and any team that picks him would have him as a restricted free agent at the end of that season.  There might be a few teams that would give an end of the first round pick for Wright.  Azibuike can net us a late first rounder as an expiring contract and as a solid swing man.

2011 Off Season

We would hopefully have a couple of draft picks in this draft; ours would almost definitely be a lottery pick.  By the time free agency comes around we would have only the following number on the books: Biedrins, Curry, Randolph, and Morrows QO number, along with 2 or so draft picks form the 2010 draft, and 2 or so draft picks from the 2011 draft.  2011 free agent class will not be as stocked as the 2010 free agency class, but there will be several young good players to add to our young nucleus, especially if we are one of the few teams that have the salary cap space available to make a run at these players.

Will this happen, probably not.  Rob Rowell and Chris Cohan don't have the desire to see a loss at the gate for a better future, and they both definitely don't have the clout to ask the Warrior fans to be patient.  While Nellie and Riley speak a good game when talking about preparing the team for the future, I find it hard to see Nellie embrace a complete rebuilding project his last 2 seasons as a coach.  But since the Warriors are only a successful team in my imagination land, here is my scenario to fix the Warriors in an imaginary scenario where I the Warriors both wanted to be a successful franchise and was consulting me on how to do it.

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Thanksgiving's Daily Dime had 9 ESPN basketball writers write a few lines on what they are thankful for in the young basketball season. Most talked about Kobe, Celtics, Hawks, Nash, parity, and other exciting issues. However 3 of them did happen to drop the Warriors in their basketball thanks:
"We should be thankful that Golden State didn't draft Brandon Jennings because we wouldn't be witnessing one of the finest rookie performances in years. Nellie would probably have him in and out of the lineup, 35 minutes one night, six the next (i.e., Anthony Randolph)."-Chris Boussard
"...the Golden State daily drama,"-Chris Sheridan
"I'm thankful for any time I turn on a Golden State Warriors game and Anthony Randolph is actually playing. He's one of the most unique players in the league, and yet Don Nelson insists on playing him only 21 minutes a game, making Randolph sightings unexpected surprises -- like flipping through TV late at night and catching 'Cheaters.'" - J.A. Adande
Nice to know that if writers can talk about one thing the new NBA season, the joke that are the Warriors are high on their list.

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Golden State Of Mind Pessimism at its best, (read at your risk!!!)

This season looks very bleak.  The near future of this franchise looks very bleak.  The generally friendly bay area media and the east coast sports biased do their best to keep the absolute dysfunction and debauchery of the Golden State Warriors off the top headlines (being ridiculously unsuccessful the last 15 years helps as well) on ESPN and other sports related news outlets, but most of us stubbornly hardcore Warrior fans either know the truth or pretend we don’t know the truth. 

I am a die hard 25 year old pessimistic Warriors fan that has very little faith in this current assemblage of players and even less faith in the front office.  If you are a fan that still believes that we can make a serious run at the 8th seed (and that would be worth it) or that our youth movement is on the right track this time around, I implore you to stop reading at this point.

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Golden State Of Mind Team USA Snub

 

The entire summer buzz has been about Anthony Randolph destroying the Summer League competition and subsequently getting to try out with Team USA.

Are we forgetting about are BEST player and the player that represented the Warriors in the USA Select team last?

Monta Ellis had a horrible year last year on and off the court.  Destroying his ankle on a moped Monta Ellis destroyed his opportunity of becoming our point guard and our team leader.  Most of the news and articles about Ellis last year were about his off court drama, from the moped injury to the Rowell versus Ellis in the contract voiding issue, and Nelson versus Ellis on whether he was a point guard or not.  Last year was a major step back for Ellis and this franchise.

However this summer there has been very little buzz about our franchise player, our 66 million dollar man.  Lest take a look back at Monta Ellis and how he became our franchise player

 

Games

MP

FG%

3PA

3P%

FTA

FT%

REB

AST

STL

TO

PTS

05-06

49

18.1

.415

1.7

.341

1.2

.712

2.1

1.6

0.7

1.2

6.8

06-07

77

34.3

.475

1.9

.273

4.6

.763

3.2

4.1

1.7

2.9

16.5

07-08

81

37.9

.531

0.6

.231

5.1

.767

5.0

3.9

1.5

2.1

20.2

 

Monta Ellis was the Most Improved Player in 06-07 as a 20 year old.  Monta became one of premier players the following season, including a nutcase February where he shot over 60% from the field.   Monta Ellis did return to court last season and did alright, considering the fact that he was recovering from a major ankle surgery and he hadn’t had a chance to go to go thru a training camp.

 

Games

MP

FG%

3PA

3P%

FTA

FT%

REB

AST

STL

TO

PTS

08-09

25

35.7

.451

0.3

.308

3.8

.830

4.3

3.7

1.6

2.7

19.0

 

However those stats don’t do justice to how much Monta Ellis recovered.  Ellis came back and played 13 games and did ok, but didn’t show his usual explosion.  It is important to point out that the Warriors did go 7-6 and were playing better basketball at the time.  Ellis shut it down for about 3 weeks and came back looking like the Monta Ellis that we are used to seeing.  Here were Ellis’s stats for the last 11 games he played last season.

 

Games

MP

FG%

3PA

3P%

FTA

FT%

REB

AST

STL

TO

PTS

--

11

37.4

.493

1.2

.200

4.1

.867

4.5

4.4

1.5

2.8

23.5

 

One thing Monta Ellis is known for his is his renowned work ethic.  If his speed is back to 100% and he has been working on his passing skills and his defense, Monta Ellis might finally be ready to take that step to superstardom and lead our team to the post season.  Is this overly optimistic? Probably.  However let’s not forget about our best player and franchise player. 

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Golden State Of Mind Make a Move for a Veteran and Push for the Playoffs, or wait it and be Patient….

The chatter from Team R/R (Riley and Rowell) during their press conferences and conference call was that anything less than making the playoffs would be a disappointment and that with a healthy team and an addition or 2 would be a playoff team.  While we can all understand why Team R/R would want to go all out and make a desperate grab for the 8th seed (seeing how the fan base reacted after our last brief playoff appearance and the debacle that was the 08-09 season both on and off the court) is that the best plan for the franchise?

-Problem, we won 29 games last year.   What can we expect from the youngsters?   A healthy Monta Ellis will obviously help the most.  A healthy prepared combination of Wright/Randolph can solidify the 4 position.  We also have a stable of under 25 players (Biedrins, Turiaf, Morrow, Belinelli, Azibuike and possibly Kurz, Davidson, and Watson if they are brought back) but can we really expect giant improvement from any of those guys.  Not sure that even with a trade where we give up some youngsters and try to upgrade with a proven veteran would make us a team that can compete for the playoffs.

If that’s the plan where do we go?  The obvious move would be trying to move Belinelli and Wright along with either Maggette or Crawford for an upgrade at some position.  What can we get for that, in this economy and the possible mega 2010 free agent class, teams might be wary on taking back a contract like Maggette or Crawford.  But there are a lot of possibilities, with a plethora of young players and the 7th pick of the draft there are several possibilities.

When you’re a 29 win team you should obviously be blowing up the phones seeing what type of options are out there, maybe the best plan is just to wait it out.  We have a couple of really good looking young players (Ellis and Biedrins) and a bunch of other young players that can possibly be really good players (Azibuike, Wright, Morrow, Belinelli, and definitely Randolph).  Quick fixes don’t work very often; maybe it’s time to accept the fact that we are not a playoff team.  Let the young players develop, find out who can really be an impact player in the NBA, and look to shop either Maggette or Crawford (with some young players) for some expiring contracts.  Taking a step back for the next year or 2, might actually make us a really good young team 3 years from now with a decent amount of cap space (see Portland and New Orleans; soon Minnesota and Oklahoma City).  It probably won’t be the most popular idea, but it might be the best idea if we want to become a franchise that can compete deep in the playoffs one day.

Poll
What do you want to see happen in the off season?
Assemble a roster that can atleast compete for the playoffs
61 votes
Build around the young guys for the future
81 votes

142 votes | Poll has closed

27 comments  |  2 recs | 

Golden State Of Mind Warriors to make move on Bosh, do we keep Ellis or Biedrins?

At ESPN.com, on their Saturday Dime, it says that the Warriors are expected to make another huge push at Chris Bosh:

There have been no firm indications yet about the Raptors' willingness to entertain trade offers for Chris Bosh this offseason, but plugged-in sources say it's a lock that the Warriors will try again to make a Bosh pitch at the next opportunity after the Raptors rebuffed every inquiry (including Golden State's) for the lefty Olympian before the Feb. 19 trading deadline….should the Raps decide that it's easier to try to start over rather than try again to assemble a team that's successful enough next season to convince Bosh to stay in Canada as opposed to leaving as a free agent in the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090328-29

So who should we give up Monta Ellis or Andris Biedrins?  I know most of you are thinking, not this again but with Ellis’s return to prominence its worth looking at the argument again. Likely in the trade Toronto would like to shed the salaries of either Jason Kapono or Marcus Banks.  Kapono is a better player with a slightly worse contract.  To balance the rest of the deal, hopefully a package of Marco Belinelli, Corey Maggette, and either Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright (we’ll have the debate again later) will work for both parties.

 

The Case to Keep Ellis

Ellis is back.  Shooting at over a 50% clip and moving smoothly on the court.  While it’s possible the ankle was bothering him when he first came back its more likely he was rusty and needed to work his way back into game shape.  With an Ellis and Bosh tandem, we have the makings of a potential All Star combo.  Ellis is never going to be that guy that can lead his team deep into the playoffs, but playing second banana to a perennial All Star might be his role on a contender.  Bosh has played center for a good portion of the year, and it might not be necessary to keep Biedrins around.  Biedrins is a steady player but by no means is he a star or have star potential like Ellis does.  Traditional NBA logic will tell you the key to building a contender is having an inside/outside combination.  With Jackson, Morrow, Turiaf, Azibuike, and either Wright or Randolph, this team might just be a role player or 2 from being a major factor in the west.

 

The Case to Keep Biedrins

Ellis is back.  While we are all excited about that, let’s not forget the gaping holes in Monta Ellis’ game.  Ellis will never be confused with Steve Nash in running a team’s offense.  At this point there are concerns if Ellis can even masquerade as a point guard.  His Ast/To ratio is horrid.  His major second deficiency is defense.  If anybody watched the San Antonio game on league pass, Sean Elliot was almost laughing at how easily Tony Parker was blowing by Ellis.  Ellis doesn’t have the size to cover 2 guards so for Ellis to work on a contender; he would almost have to be paired up with a bigger point guard or an off guard who can share the point guard duties.   While in Biedrins we have a rare commodity, a center that rarely gets hurt, and can give you a solid 15-12 every night on the floor with one of the league’s highest field goal %.  With Biedrins, Bosh, Turiaf, and either Wright or Randolph we would have one of the most dominating front courts for years to come.  Wing men are easier to find and replace in this league than centers.  Since Ellis is not a point guard our best bet might be to look to free agency (Bay Area native Jason Kidd?) or the draft for a true point guard to run this team.

Poll
IF, we can get Chris Bosh, who would you rather pair him up with?
Monta Ellis
492 votes
Andris Biedrins
370 votes

862 votes | Poll has closed

394 comments  |  5 recs | 

Welcome to Loud City Are We the Youngest Team in the League?

Hi guys,

I am from Golden State of Mind.  In the Bay Area press and all over the Warriors blog, we are refered to as the youngest team in the NBA, which we are by definition at 24.1 years.  But I decided to weight age against playing time instead of just taking a raw average age.  I compared the Warriors to the Portland Trail Blazers, Memphis Grizzlies, MinnesotaTimber Wolves, and The OKC Thunder.

Here are the results

Team

Average Roster Age

Actual Playing Age

Minutes Leader

Golden State Warriors

24.1(24.3 17 man)

25.7(25.6 17 man)

Jackson(30) 1854

Portland Trail Blazers

26.3

23.8

Aldridge (23) 2013

Memphis Grizzlies

24.2

23.3

Mayo(21) 2093

Minnesota Timber Wolves

26.9

25.0

Foye (25) 1986

Oklahoma City Thunder

25.5

24.7

Durant (20) 2197

Here is the link to the full post at GSOM

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/2/23/769226/are-we-the-youngest-team-i

Let me know what you guys think.

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Canis Hoopus Are We the Youngest Team in the League?

Hi guys,

I am from Golden State of Mind.  In the Bay Area press and all over the Warriors blog, we are refered to as the youngest team in the NBA, which we are by definition at 24.1 years.  But I decided to weight age against playing time instead of just taking a raw average age.  I compared the Warriors to the Portland Trail Blazers, Memphis Grizzlies, MinnesotaTimber Wolves, and The OKC Thunder.

Here are the results

Team

Average Roster Age

Actual Playing Age

Minutes Leader

Golden State Warriors

24.1(24.3 17 man)

25.7(25.6 17 man)

Jackson(30) 1854

Portland Trail Blazers

26.3

23.8

Aldridge (23) 2013

Memphis Grizzlies

24.2

23.3

Mayo(21) 2093

Minnesota Timber Wolves

26.9

25.0

Foye (25) 1986

Oklahoma City Thunder

25.5

24.7

Durant (20) 2197

Here is the link to the full post at GSOM

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/2/23/769226/are-we-the-youngest-team-i

Let me know what you guys think.

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Blazer's Edge Who is the youngest team in the west?

Hi guys,

I am from Golden State of Mind.  In the Bay Area press and all over the Warriors blog, we are refered to as the youngest team in the NBA, which we are by definition at 24.1 years.  But I decided to weight age against playing time instead of just taking a raw average age.  I compared the Warriors to the Portland Trail Blazers, Memphis Grizzlies, MinnesotaTimber Wolves, and The OKC Thunder.

Here are the results

Team

Average Roster Age

Actual Playing Age

Minutes Leader

Golden State Warriors

24.1(24.3 17 man)

25.7(25.6 17 man)

Jackson(30) 1854

Portland Trail Blazers

26.3

23.8

Aldridge (23) 2013

Memphis Grizzlies

24.2

23.3

Mayo(21) 2093

Minnesota Timber Wolves

26.9

25.0

Foye (25) 1986

Oklahoma City Thunder

25.5

24.7

Durant (20) 2197

Here is the link to the full post at GSOM

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/2/23/769226/are-we-the-youngest-team-i

Let me know what you guys think.

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Golden State Of Mind Are we the Youngest Team in the West? PART 2

It is not your beloved Golden State Warriors.  After doing some extensive math work, I devised a new stat that I call 'Actual Playin Age'(I know, not that clever).  It is a much better way to mesure the age of team than raw age average.  I decided to compare the Warriors to 4 other Western Conference teams:  the Memphis Grizzlies, the Portland Trail Blazers, the Minnesota Timber Wolves, and the Oklahoma City Thunder to see where we stood.

When taking a look at the stats you can see that not only are we not the youngest team, but we are not even built as a young rebuilding and up and coming team.  Observations on the other teams

Thunder's top 3 players in minutes played are Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, and Russell Westbrook.  3 young guys they want to build there future around. The rest of the guys are supporting cast are veteran players and a few young role players to fill out the bench.  Building around those 3, they can change the other parts as they get ready to make push in the West.

Grizzlies's have played their rookie OJ Mayo more than they have played anybody else.  Followed closely by Rudy Gay.  Both of those guys are potential future All-Stars.  The next 5 guys that play are also very young players.  Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, Hakim Warrick, Kyle Lowry, and Darrell Arthur.   The end of the bench is filled by veterans, in effect the exact oppostie of how the Warriors are constucted.

Timber Wolves's have Randy Foye and Al Jefferson, that is there future along with Kevin Love and Corey Brewer.  Corey Brewer is out of the season, and the Timber Wolves are bringing along Kevin Love slowly and seeing if Ryan Gomes and Sebastian Telfair can make it as solid NBA players.  The rest of the bench is filled with veterans and young a couple of young NBA hopefuls with Rodney Carney and Craig Smith.

Trail Blazers's are already an elite Western Confernce team. LaMarcus Aldridge and All-Star Brandon Roy are the team captains and lead the team in minutes.  In fact other than veteran point guard Steve Blake and ridiculuos rebounding machine center Joel Przybilla, all their roatational players 25 or under.

The difference from those teams and the Warriors is that they have a plan and we do not.  Maybe for the TWolves, Thunder, and Grizzlies it doesnt work out, but they are trying something and sticking to it.

What is the Warriors plan?  If everything works out and we might get to fight for the 8th seed and a 1 and done in the playoffs the next 2 -3 years?  It is nice to know that that is our BEST case scenario for our team.

On the tables below, pct refers to what percent of total playing time that player has played for the team.  For the Warriors, pct A factors in Demarcus Nelson and Al Harrington, and pct B does not.  We are still a very young team, but maybe not as young as you would like to think.  Actual Playing Age is a much better way to represent the team's average age than just the average age of the players of the team.

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Golden State Of Mind Are We the Youngest Team in the League?

If you take the 17 different players who played for the Warriors or the current 15 man roster, as a whole and get an average age then we are the youngest team in the NBA.  But I have been wondering what would happen if we try to find out the age of the average player we play?  What I mean is we got lots of young guys on our team, but most of the time their box score reads DNP-CD, while Jackson and Crawford’s reads 40+minutes.  Take a look at the total minutes played this season:

Age

Games Played

Games Started

Total Minutes

Stephen Jackson

30

45

45

1816

Andris Biedrins

22

50

50

1549

Kelenna Azubuike

25

50

30

1538

Jamal Crawford

28

38

38

1455

C.J. Watson

24

52

13

1261

Corey Maggette

29

36

19

1185

Ronny Turiaf

26

53

7

1069

Anthony Morrow

23

41

10

762

Marco Belinelli

22

32

15

680

Brandan Wright

21

31

16

524

Anthony Randolph

19

37

6

490

Monta Ellis

23

12

12

400

Rob Kurz

23

23

4

243

DeMarcus Nelson

23

13

5

171

Al Harrington

28

5

5

166

Marcus Williams

23

9

0

53

Jermareo Davidson

24

6

0

14

 

Jackson (despite games missed) has quite a bit of a lead over anybody else, followed by Biedrins and Azibuike (note that they have both played 50 games).  Crawford and Maggette pop out, seeing how many minutes they played in the limited amount of games compared to Watson and Turiaf.

At first I hypothesized that the Warriors average age of player played would be close to 27, looking at the numbers I can probably skip doing a lot of math and conclude that it would be closer to 25 or 26(maybe sometime this week, I’ll take out the old calculator and try to actually compute that number).  I decided to compare that to 3 other young teams: the Grizzlies, Trail Blazers, and the Thunder.  Just glancing at the numbers it is safe to say that the Grizzlies and the Trail Blazers play with younger players than us.  It’s not even close.  As for the Thunder it looks like it would be a close call, too close to make a guess without doing the math.

Just from that, we can drop the claim that we are the youngest team in the NBA.  Does it matter what Kurz, Davidson, and Williams’s age are?  Not when Nellie is trotting out Jackson, Crawford, and Maggette for 35-45 minutes a game.

We all know Nellie enough at this point to know that if we are completely 100% healthy, Nelson would trot a 7 man rotation of Biedrins, Turiaf, Jackson, Maggette, Crawford, Ellis, and Azibuike.  That doesn’t exactly scream out youth.  Look at the game against the Lakers.   Nellie did use a 7 man rotation(not counting 2 minutes and change by Watson and a cameo by Davidson) and that was with Marco(15 minutes) and Randolph(28 minutes)  playing for Azibuike and Biedrins. 

Just because the average age of our roster is the youngest in the league doesn’t mean by any means that we are the youngest team in the league.  Of our primary 7 man rotation that Nelson uses, every player is in their 3rd year of the league.  In that 7 man rotation we see Jackson and Crawford getting the bulk of the minutes.

CONCLUSION: We are not the youngest team in the NBA.

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Golden State Of Mind What We Got To Trade...

It’s been a good time reading through all the different trade proposals, such as Maggette and Randolph for Stoudemire and Morrow for Villanueva, but maybe before we go any farther, it’s time to look at our roster and see what they are actually worth.  Generally, to find a player’s worth in a trade there is 3 major factors: productivity, contract, and age.  Those are the big 3.  Other factors include injury history, chemistry issues, and intangibles (Shaq and Iverson’s ability to fill seats) etc.  But let’s see what we have on our roster and what they would be worth to OTHER teams.

Positive Trade Value

Andris Biedrins:  TRADE VALUE GREAT

Biedrins is a young good proven NBA starter in the league.  He has a very reasonable contract at 9 million for the next 5 years.  While the chances of Biedrins making more than 1 All Star game in his career are low, finding solid NBA centers isn’t that easy.  Andris is ridiculously durable missing less than 10 games in his career.  He has lead the league in field goal pct the last 2 years and is currently third in the league in rebounding.  Andris is great character guy that works hard on improving his games in the offseason.

Ronny Turiaf:  TRADE VALUE VERY GOOD

Turiaf has a great contract, 3 years after this year left and he won’t make more than 4.5 million on any of those seasons. Turiaf has played well in his backup center role.  His low rebounding rate and low offensive production prevents him from being a starter in the league.  Still great character guy, great motor on both sides of the ball, decent jump shot, and good defense makes Ronny Turiaf one of the best trade assets we have this time.

Brandan Wright: TRADE VALUE GOOD

Brandan Wright is on the second year of his 4 year rookie deal.   When given the chance to play, Brandan has proven to be a productive player on the court.  His slight frame and low rebounding rate are causes to worry, but given his young age, length, and athleticism, there is a lot of upside with Wright.

Kelenna Azibuike: TRADE VALUE GOOD

Kelenna is decent rotational player in the NBA.  He has a good contract, approximately 3 million this year and next and 3.5 the year after that.  While they’re might not be too much upside for Kelenna at this point, he does have what it takes to be a 7th-10th man on most team’s roster.  Kelenna does have the right to refuse any trade up to July, as he was restricted free agent that we matched, and he cannot be traded to the Clippers.

 Monta Ellis: TRADE VALUE ABOVE AVERAGE

Monta doesn’t look like the Monta of old at the moment.  His jump shot is off and he has lost a step.  It’s most likely because of rust and lack of game conditioning, still Monta is due is 11 million for the next 4 years and has a player option for the 5th year.  While there is a very good chance Monta regains his form and plays like he did at the end of last year, he still has glaring deficiencies. Notably being a poor defender, undersized for the 2 guard, and lack of true point guard skill for the 1.

Anthony Randolph: TRADE VALUE ABOVE AVERAGE

Anthony Randolph was billed as having some of the most upside going into the draft and having the biggest bust potential as well.  After more than half a season, those tags still remain.  Randolph is on the first year of his 4 year rookie deal.  Randolph shows a great flair for rebounding and blocking shots.  His athleticism is through the roof and he has the potential to be a good defender at the 3 or the 4.  However Randolph is ridiculously raw at the moment.  He is wild and out of control at the offense end, leading to a high turnover rate.  He chooses to use his flashy ‘guard’ skills at the perimeter, to low success, instead of showing any type of low post game.  Also Randolph seems to have a lot of character issues, while most of these might be solved with a change of scenery; it’s still a reason to have concern.

Marco Bellinelli: TRADE VALUE ABOVE AVERAGE

Bellinelli was relegated to the end of the bench all his rookie year and the beginning of this season.  When finally given the chance to play, Marco was productive this season before an ankle injury.  While his shooting touch was over estimated, his defense and ball handling skills were under estimated. He is on the second year of his 4 year rookie deal.  Bellinelli is most likely not a NBA starter, but he will likely blossom as a useful backup guard that is able to play both the 1 and the 2.  Not the greatest shooter, but when he heats up, he can light it up from 3 point range.

Jamal Crawford: TRADE VALUE BELOW AVERAGE

Crawford is scheduled to make a little over 9 million next season and 10 million the season after that.  He does have an early termination option at the end of this season, but he likely won’t find an offer that big on the open market so there is a good chance he doesn’t opt out.  Crawford has been on losing teams his entire career.  He is a decent score who scores on bunches, generally on shooting volume jump shots.  He doesn’t have a good game driving to the hoop and he is possibly one of the worst defenders in the NBA.  Crawford is a poor rebounder for his size.  He does have decent court vision and ball handling skills and can be a good distributor if he puts his mind to it.  Good character guy.

 

Little to No Trade Value

Anthony Morrow, Rob Kurz, Marcus Williams, and CJ Watson

Anthony Morrow might be the best of the bunch; he probably can be on the end of the bench for most good teams and can probably crack the rotation on poor teams.  He has a team option for next season for under a million. Rob Kurz has no value in a trade as he is not a NBA level player; his contract is the league minimum and expires at the end of the year.  Marcus Williams might be a serviceable backup NBA point guard but his contract (1.2 million) expires at the end of the year with no protection. CJ Watson has played well in Nellie’s system this season but is either a ridiculously undersized 2 or a shoot first point that has little true point guard skills.  Either way he is an end of the bench type of player.

Jermareo Davidson cannot be traded since he just signed his contract for the rest of the season and can’t be traded till after the 30 days of that signing, which will be past the trade deadline.

 

Negative Trade Value

Corey Maggette

Maggette has a ridiculous 4 years left on his contract after this season for approximately 9 million next season, 9.5 the year after that, 10 million 2010-2011, and 11million 2011-2012.  Maggette is a great scorer who shoots at a high percentage and can get to the line very easily where he shoots very well.  He is an average rebounder and not very good at anything else.  On offense he tends to use man isolation by himself and leaves the rest of the team to stand around and watch him.

Stephan Jackson

Jackson was an attractive player at the beginning of the season with a reasonable contract for this season and next.  He is a savvy veteran that plays good defense.  However with his contract extension (4 more years at about 9 million per year), not too many teams want a 30+ player that is locked for 4 more years.  Jackson is a good distributor but a horrible ball handler.  Jackson is a streaky shooter who can really light it up if he is hot, but will also continue to jack it up repeatedly is he is on a cold shooting night.  Jackson is a team captain and has been called a great team mate by his former teammates; however he is still viewed as semi-toxic around the league.  Jackson accumulates an amazing amount of technical fouls and is known for complaining excessively about non-calls and will sometimes staying back from defense to argue with officials.

 

So there it is.  So before you say ‘let's trade Maggette, Crawford, and Randolph for Chris Bosh’, check this out to see what our player might be worth to the other team.

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Golden State Of Mind Why not Marbury....

Its been brought up here a few times, trying to aquire Stephan Marbury, but was meet with a negative reaction.   In light of the injury to Monta Ellis, I wanted to revisit the subject.

First off, a trade of Al Harington, Stephan Jackson, and Kosta Perovic for Marbury straight up works.  Marbury makes 20 million for this upcoming season so we would still be under the luxary tax if we made the deal. 

The Knicks would be intrested in this trade because NY is done with Marbury, and since Jack, Al, and Kosta, all come off the books in 2 years they would still have their salary cap room for Lebron.  D'antoni would definetly make use of both Jack and Al.  We could probaly weasel a draft pick from them as well.

Marbury is a talented  player, theyres no doubting that.   If he has his head right he can definetly be a very good player in the NBA, and with Nellie as his coach he might be able to be a nice replacement for Baron.  He's only 31 years old and has an expiring contract.  When Monta comes back he will be able to stay at the 2 and pick up the point slowly.  Again the guy is only 31, if it doesnt work we let him walk at the end of the year and we would have cap space again next off season.  If he works out maybe Mulson can convince him to be a veteran mentor for us and maybe he accepts a multi year deal in the 4 to 7 million range.

pg Marbury, Williams, Watson

sg Azuibuike, Bellineli, Marrow 

sf Maggete, Randolph

pf Wright, Hendrix

c Biedrins, Turiaf

 

Loosing Harrington severly weakens our front court.  If Biedrins would get injured we would really be screwed.

Mullin probaly wont do this seeing as he is really into Marcus Williams at the moment, and said he wont make any knee jerk moves.  Plus I would think  the club would want to hang on to Captain Jack,  I think this whole contract thing was blown out of proportion.

What do you guys think? 

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Would you want to trade Jackson, Harrington, and Perovic for Marbury?
Are you high? No way!
282 votes
Time to shake it up. Lets do it.
30 votes

312 votes | Poll has closed

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