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I don't think that's right.
I’m a Notre Dame fan, so I don’t personally get excited about those games, but on the whole, they’re exactly what football needs: a giant game to end the season for ten Power Five teams and some number of Group of Five teams. They spread the wealth in terms of meaningful games, increase the number of good match-ups and make otherwise meaningless regular-season November games important, because they decide who goes to the championship games. And they are absolutely not perceived as "exhibition games" the way the bowls are.
Again, I don’t give a crap about them, but if I were an Illinois fan (my alma mater) and my team had a real chance at playing for the conference title once every couple decades or screwing some hated opponent by ruining their chances, it would make the season much more fun.
On the other hand, the ACC and Big Twelve have been a joke in recent years because of Oklahoma and Clemson. And the SEC and Big Ten have been completely dominated by their West and East divisions, respectively, but at least they get to play the games and a lot of them are close, even if the outcome is always the same.
If Venables leaves, I don't think it matters what Dabo does
Looking at the Clemson’s SB page every now and then, it sounds like they already broke their offense when half of their OC-duo left after 2019(?) to take a HC job. It also sounded like they had either gotten a new line coach or were just completely sick of someone whose shortcomings had finally begun to really matter.
If the defensive coaching takes a hit, I don’t see how they can compete for the NC. Maybe every single team in the ACC remains mediocre next year and they can make it to the CFP, but I don’t even see that.
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Could not agree with you more regarding everything there.
And I assume Foskey and the WRs will all play, because even if any of them are leaving, I would think they would all still be jumping at every chance to shine. Like you, I’d really love to watch Williams one more time if he’ll do us the favor. And I really hope no one from the O-line sits out, that could be a disaster, but it doesn’t seem like offensive linemen usually do that. And I wonder what the plan with Coan and Buchner is, I guess the same as it has been – or are they going to try to get a better look at Buchner? And does Coan have any shot at getting picked up for a practice squad as an undrafted free agent if he finishes strong? A couple guys I grew up across the street from bounced around NFL practice squads for a number of years and it’s a lot of money (relative to people like me, not players on the roster, of course) and you get to keep playing. He’s had his moments and they let him play a little looser against Stanford, which was definitely nice to see. And I really want to see what Rees does now that he’s finally got an actual defense to test his much improved squad against. More than anything, I want to see the players fired up and watch them win another big bowl game (and their first "official big bowl game" since I was in high school).
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My God, that is wonderful ...
… I mean personally and pretty menacingly attacking a member of the press sitting in a room with you is not so great, but I feel like you can overlook that here …
Maybe they should put that on the SAT:
Left is to right as Coach Gundy is to Coach _____.
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What a letdown
All that chaos all season long to end up with what might be the least controversial playoff selection decision ever. Four Power Five teams with one loss, but one of them has not beaten any currently ranked team. An undefeated Group of Five team has beaten the Power Five contender with no Top 25 wins head to head and has at least one (I think two) other Top 25 wins despite a generally putrid schedule.
Imagine if Oklahoma State had just gotten that last inch I was so happy to see them fail to get: Then the committee would have had to somehow choose whether to leave out them or Georgia (worse wins, but crazily dominated 12 games before folding) or Cincinatti (good wins, but terrible schedule overall, but also the only undefeated team). And I guess Michigan or Alabama could be No. 1, but the pairings are crystal clear in terms of it being Michigan vs. Georgia and Cincinatti vs. Alabama.
So who do I least want to win at this point? I guess I still have to say I hate the idea of Harbaugh and Michigan winning even more than the idea of Alabama winning through grit in a down year to get Saban his second title repeat. I have no problem with Georgia winning and would love to see Cincinatti win. I wish myself lots of luck rooting for Cincinatti, but I really don’t think yesterday means Georgia can’t beat Alabama. The only other year they went to the CFP they got stomped by a great Auburn team and then dominated them when they played two weeks later. It happens.
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Where are they now?
"VanGorder announced his retirement from coaching college football in 2021 and became the defensive coordinator at Gulf Shores High School in Alabama under Mark Hudspeth." (Wikipedia)
Granted, I think he got two coaches fired (Petrino at Louisville and Chizik at Auburn and helped Bowling Green to go defeated in 2020, although the HC survived him) and he did his best to get Kelly fired at Notre Dame and he got himself fired in just one historically bad season as HC of Georgia Southern, so there is a decent chance someone is just trolling him on Wikipedia, but it sounds about right.
My money is on Kelly either successfully stealing Elko from A&M or unsuccessfully trying and then losing LSU’s current DC in the process and getting stuck with a clearly Plan-D candidate.
And a PS to (I think) Fahrsdal:
Yes, I actually live in Berlin. So, I am on here when I should be working, but I’m not consistently up in the wee hours of the morning staring at the internet.
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I'm not saying you're wrong.
You’re right. I apologize for being a hypocrite. The way he left Cincinatti was ten times worse than the way he left Central Michigan and the way he left Notre Dame was only probably somewhat worse than the way he left Cincinatti (that really depends on what happens this weekend). And I never spent any time whining about his past wrongs. And yes, my butt hurts because I had come to take him for granted and because it unmistakably demonstrates that at least one top-tier coach considers Notre Dame a lower-tier program compared to the SEC West.
What I care about at this point is: (1) Notre Dame has done exactly the best thing it could do to give itself the best shot at building on what Kelly has built and (1b) it has done so with a plan that does not involve screwing Cincinatti over twice in a row and in a much worse way than last time, (2) I hope that Kelly fails miserably: At this point, all that is really required is for Kelly to have also alienated the existing staff at LSU by failing in his efforts to fire them and then coming back with a "So, hey guys …". Basically all of his staff at Notre Dame, including a lot of long-time companions, have told him to get lost. With that testimonial from former staff and the fact that everyone is crapping on him in sports media and the fact that Riley showed how to do exactly the same thing without looking like a no-class sociopath (although, ironically, he hurt Oklahoma’s program way worse in the process) I hope he is going to have some trouble putting together an elite staff. If he has to recruit his staff and players (imagine how easy he makes things for coaches competing with him over recruits) when everyone is presenting pretty compelling arguments for why he is and always has been full of crap, I think he is going to struggle to rebuild LSU. (And I think Swarbrick and Freeman should take a serious look at LSU’s DC and see if Diggs still has any friends at LSU that might want to come up north.) Yes, I am filled with unrighteous indignation, but I still genuinely wish the man all the worst.
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In addition to your point that he has lost more games than any other Notre Dame head coach ...
… and over three times as many as Rockne, the university could also change its policy of giving them the benefit of the doubt and counting the vacated wins in his total. I mean it seems kind of unreasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point.
Just a thought my brother pointed out to me on the phone today.
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Except Oklahoma State lost to Iowa State, not Baylor
So Baylor will need to win by at least 11 more than the difference from last time, but otherwise I am 100% with you. Still, my favorite path in would be for Harbaugh to find a way to lose against an incredibly flawed Iowa and fail to win the Big Ten just one week after finally beating Ohio State.
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Worst case ...
You end up with two perrenial CFP teams in Alabama and Notre Dame (if they make it, both would have been in 3 of the last 4 CFPs) and Georgia, who has also already been once, but you are going to end up with at least one newcomer in Cincinatti, Michigan or Oklahoma State – or whoever the hell goes if there are enough upsets that they run out of one-loss teams.
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When do they get their grades?
Foskey only has one sack in the second half of the season, so I’ve kind of started hoping he might stay to really tear it up next year and move up. And Austin is just the opposite: I was really hoping he’d stay, but now he has looked much improved lately. You’d still think it would pay off for him to stay and develop another year in the NCAA instead of getting thrown to the wolves of the NFL after just one year playing at that level. I actually don’t have the context to know if there is even much chance at all that he goes. Does anyone on the offensive line have a shot to get graded as a first or second rounder?
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I didn't think this was possible,
but this is the scenario I would have picked. Keep the coaching staff in place because we seem so close to hitting a peak. If a lot of the coaches were leaving, I would have preferred Fickell, so that he could poach his staff from Cincinatti and come in with a functioning unit that just needs to fill a few holes. The same would have applied to Campbell or whoever else was on the list. But what I really wanted is exactly what happened: things bascially stay the same except that Kelly is replaced by a HC I can picture being a much better recruiter and doing a better job of getting the team fired up for big games.
And Swarbrick still needs to finish the deal: Find a really big-time OL coach if Quinn leaves and get a promising or established DC (maybe the guy that followed Freeman at Cincinatti? or obviously I’d love Elston if he is really a playcaller) that can call a great game and wants to run a defense like Freeman’s, because we just lost Freeman as DC and things are going to be a mess if he does not quickly entirely devote himself to becoming a full-time HC. (Although Polian should be doing all the HC stuff until the bowl game, because we still need DC Freeman for that.)
And how has Notre Dame continued to be able to keep Taylor around? He has been a RB and WR coach at the collegiate and NFL level and you have Williams looking like the best-coached RB I’ve ever seen. Whatever they’re doing, please keep at it and keep him around.