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love that the Sixers aren’t backing down. This is chess.
Fact is Philly Fans would welcome him back. Ben isn’t going to get boo’ed out of town if the organization says he’s "the best chance for us to win".
The Sixers have consistently raised his value and saved his face. They tried to trade him for "James Harden" a top 5 NBA player, thats not exactly disrespect. Now they’re saying for their stud they don’t want junk back…
I love the tough talk by the Sixers "expected to fine him". No more babying this kid….
Play hard, like you do three weeks before the all-star break, at the start of the season, and then say you still want to be traded, and we’ll move you along.
But couldn’t a disgruntled Ben just say "okay I’ll show up, but I’ll pull an Aaron Rodgers", and stink up the joint…everyone knows how talented the kid is its not going to go away.
So he can collect his money, but also flat out suck. That way his value lowers (he sticks it to the Sixers), the Sixers get extremely aggravated (players get tired of teh drama), he threatens to do the SAME on any franchise that isn’t of his liking….and the baby forces his hand and the Sixers trade him for John Wall straight up….lol.
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I still wonder who that "dark horse" team is that Windhorst was referring to. I know Morey wants a "star", and I trust him, I just think this Sixers team could be more than fine with serious swiss-army role players.
Let’s get Dillon Brooks, Kyle Anderson, Deanthony Melton, and run them with Danny Green and Tobias and Seth. Literally, have Embiid be your focal point and surround him with guys that get it done. The Pistons and Spurs never had really flashy guys, they had pieces.
Duncan played both ways safely.
Ginobli was triple threat. Parker was triple threat. High IQ guys is what you need not necessarily a second ball-hog.
I still want a slasher here. I like Zach Lavine and Devin Booker a lot.
But it makes complete sense. This was a reassuring article. Windhorst said there are solid offers for Simmons on teh table…its not like we’re gonna get back nothing (with Morey in charge).
You just have to wait it out and see how the season unfolds. The Sixers will inevitably be worse which will force Morey to do something. And the rest of teh NBA is drama that cannot be helped because some teams will start out strong and some slow.
Beal isn’t leaving Washington…he’s got a better team around him and if he hasn’t expressed desire to leave yet…I doubt it. I don’t think he truly cares about wins and losses. Etiher that, or he isn’t made for Philly and doesn’t want to play under the pressure. We need guys not afraid of getting criticized here. Beal is a one-trick pony anyway. He’s great at what he does which is score the basketball so I understand trading for him makes sense because its easier to build around someone like that….Beal is just a slightly better McCollum and Lillard is another level up from both.
I still hold belief that we’d be fine even if we just got solid vets. I know i’m nuts but….I want to see Brooks/Anderson with Embiid. I might prefer that to DeAaron Fox but………
man now Windhorst has me wondering what those offers are.
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certain guys who are basically babies on here and not open to differing povs….will block guys that simply disagree with them…a little dumb.
this is where customization leads to little growth.
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He’s only entering his third year but guys like Tatum, big strong wings, used to give him problems. Its like a Tiger vs a Leopard… I don’t see Thybulle getting stronger, but I do see him getting better at not reacting to pump fakes, keeping his distance better, learning guys moves by watching film and beating them to spots…veteran stuff. I see him shutting down 2s more than 3s. He used to react too much and rely on that wraparound thing. He was also a zone defender mainly and he’s a TERROR in half court off-ball stuff closing lanes and space…but his on-ball defense against wings is an issue. But its not just for him…there are few Ben Simmons with strength to guard grown men wings in the league. Covington struggles the same because his frame just isn’t strong enough if a stronger wing like Tatum or Lebron is assigned to him.
There’s an obvious difference between him and Ben. Ben can guard 1 – 4. Matisse is better at guarding 2s and maybe 1s, but Ben is better at guarding 3s and 4s. Ben is like a Lion compared to Tatum and Lebron or Luka being "Tigers" on offense. If you add Danny to that, Danny Green is better at guarding 2s than Ben also…but too slow to guard 1s and too old to guard 3s.
Danny and Matisse are similar in what positions they can guard…they can’t guard Luka, Tatum, Lebron, Kawhi…those guys are too strong at their position but they’ll guard Booker and other more prototypical 2s.
On offense…Thybulle really needs to slow down. Same with defense getting into foul trouble. One of the best basketball sequences as a basketball fan was watching Thybulle getting upset at the refs for weak calls guarding Booker…and then totally locking in on Booker…that was the best I’ve seen Thybulle play defense. Booker made that ridiculous shot, but that was supremely high level basketball to be appreciated by anyone.
So Thybulle needs to slow down on defense to avoid foul trouble and he’ll get better at that with Coach Danny Green and experience.
On offense, he’s a great athlete but I don’t see him playing well in half-court. He’s just got to find two or three moves. A pump fake at 3 and either a dunk, or like Ben he needs to develop a stop and pop either floater or (my preference) a two-legged midrange jumper. The 3 point shot he obviously needs to get better at, but i feel like his entire brain goes off soon as he touches the ball. He’s just gotta slow down and go to the Robert Horry-Rick Fox school of being a role player.
I love his explosiveness and I don’t want to see him being traded away, but between him and Maxey, I’d rather trade Thybulle just because he’s less of a 2-way player IMO. I’d prefer not trading him at all and keeping him a terror, but his offense really needs to grow a lot…he’s very raw there.
Having said that….he’s awesome to watch play basketball.
watch the playoffs and watch Curry get his ass exposed.
Ben – all D no offense.
Seth – shooting zero Defense. Whats the difference between Seth and JJ? We need better two-way guards there are so many, but people here are stuck on Seth Curry.
Because Ben won’t be there, the court will open up more. You won’t need Seth and Danny as much (Danny is great because he plays defense in his aging limited minutes).
i like the move Seth and let Joe play…because Joe is definitely the much better defender and therefore is a better 6th man…he’s just unproven like Seth was and needs a shot.
I don’t like getting Covington. We can do better than CJ and and Cov….they are too polar and we need more two-way players.
Anderson, Brooks, Melton puts us right back up there with the Heat in 2nd tier EC (another 2nd round exit).
Yeah you’d enjoy watching CJ McCollum play here more than Anderson and Brooks…..if you like that type of ball. I just prefer smart ball movement "Spursian" basketball….Boris Diaw is honestly one of my favorite players of all time.
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what about Seth Curry makes him untouchable? The dude IN THE PLAYOFFS….got exposed by Kevin Huerter…that matters.
Just like our boy Ben can’t play big when it matters…Seth was small.
The "Doc Son in Law" thing def annoys me…and I will start up the "fire doc" if seth continues to get exposed but doesn’t go anywhere.
Seth needs to be a sixth man.
nah Ben was an "easy" guy to just give the ball to and watch him go. We saw how difficult it was to generate offense after that "mammoth of a PG" had the attention of everyone. Ben cost himself by not being able to do anything in the half court.
I saw Sam Cassell working with him to get his tempo down to a half-court level where he can hesi and juke his way to the rim…like I said…we don’t need Ben to shoot 3s, we need Ben to shoot pull up Js and be crafty in the half court…not just run to the key and pass the ball off and then do nothing.
I don’t know if Ben picking and rolling was "beneath him". But he always needed to get more engaged in the half-court and neither BB nor Doc was able to get him there…he was more or less forgotten.
That exchange where Ben says "Jo" recognizes when he misses him cutting to the bucket. Its true…Jo runs the half court offense on this team, so I wonder who that second fiddle guy will be.
Clearly, Jimmy saw this wasn’t his team. Jimmy was standing to the side doing nothing a lot of the time. BB didn’t have enough time to make Jimmy Tobias Ben and Joel work….
its just….Joel is a whale of a force that needs touches in the half court. You have to have at least one other guy that can play WITH JOEL…and be crafty enough to get buckets on his own without the need of Joel and…be able to do it while Joel is in the post. I honestly feel like Sexton could be that guy…
Sexton, Lillard, Beal…all the same prototype. Guys that can’t play D.
To your point about CJ….yeah CJ can get you 50….I just rather have 5 guys that can play D…I feel like Maxey can fill that scorer role. What we saw in summer league wehre he was just so much better than the competition will hopefully translate to the season.
I’d take Fox I love what he brings to the table. Haliburton is a really nice player now…probably a low ceiling. Someone pointed out he never gets to the line and thats probably because of his weak frame. So Haliburton is a "safe" player not exactly James Harden driving to the rim.
MPJ is a good offensive player but a sieve on defense.
SGA i’m a huge fan of but that ain’t gonna happen. To me if you get SGA and Dort somehow……tahts the only one where I’d say "okay I like that instead of savvy vets".
I’m sorry I just love
with Green, Curry, Niang, Drummond, and a backup PG of your liking (like Monte Morris)… (trade Furk and Shake for one).
and Jared Dudley is actually a savvy veteran player (before going to the Lakers and Nets). Dudley was solid on PHX.
These might be the only guys we need. Brogdon, Anderson, Brooks…guys that can still play solidly against teams like the Heat, Celtics, Bucks, and Nets.
I actually really like those three guys against any "star" in the NBA…throw Danny in there….and Tobias i’m iffy on but we’re stuck with him.
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again, he and Embiid work out together so I don’t get why not. But I can also see that. I just don’t know NBA relationships like that…
If thats the case I’m more worried about Maxey playing well for 1 season and then making crazy ass demands.
Lavine can play with Embiid since they both train with the same guy.
Just antoher confident hypothetical i’m throwing out there since you always do the same.
But I agree Klutch is trying to be the "Al Haymon" of the NBA…if you know boxing. Trying to align their guys in the perfect situations.
More interesting to me is……when Tobias is up in 2 years….and whoever the Sixers trade for Simmons IF they go the route of a couple solid players….
will the ability to play with Joel Embiid in PHILLY (which apparently has a stink associated with it now), will Joel be able to attract a premier guy to play with him and who will that be. The best guys sign long-term deals.
I wonder if guards like Lavine or Beal or Lillard or Booker…are even interested in playing with a guy like Embiid in his prime. The game is different not like whne SHaq had Penny, Kobe, and Wade……but it’d be a shaem if Embiid/Morey/Rivers coudln’t recruit guys like that.
The NBA has become more and more clique-based. But I’d hope that Embiid coudl recruit one of the absolute studs that workout with him at guard (Lavine, Beal, Tatum), to come play with him in Philly…I’d hope…
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both scenarios are likely. Playmaking will depend on guards ability to get into the paint, which they might do with added responsibility.
but the defensive dropoff will be undeniable. Murray+White, Sexton + PICKS, and Memphis or Indiana are the roads we need to take.
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hasn’t Ben cost himself by saying he’s willing to sit?
I’d just suspend him since thats what he’s willing to do. His value can’t get any lower at this point, and he’s still a good player.
Make him lose money, or come hoop and show his value to make his wishes easier.
Ben’s in a lose-lose. Either he loses money and continues to fall further under the microscope (which he doesn’t like), or he plays and raises his value and helps the Sixers.
Etiher way…freakin put on your big boy pants and make amends because you got criticized. The Ego on this kid is something else.
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you’re right when Shake was tasked with bringing the ball up it was shoddy and arrhythmic.
Sometimes you don’t even need that guy. Lebron and Schroder together was not a good pair because Lebron basically handles PG duties and Schroder needed the ball in his hands to make plays and was useless without it, and also wasn’t a very good PG that put people in sets.
Yes, we will need to see if Maxey can run an offense in the half court. But I’m fine with having him as a security blanket (I think the kid will be a very good scorer in this league). I don’t think Maxey is that different from Sexton.
Thats all I’m saying…you already have a "Sexton" type in Maxey.
The Jordan Bulls, had a combo of MJ Scottie and Harper (or Armstrong) bringing the ball up but the triangle offense basically shared PG duties. They took turns bringing the ball up the court.
The Sixers can run something similar to the triangle with Brooks/Anderson/Melton/Maxey. Its a heck of a haul.
And then if you get Brogdon and Anderson somehow…then you’re in very good shape. But I happen to really like Brooks.
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Ben was hardly a PG in that he ran halfcourt sets, got guys in the right spots. Honestly, Embiid basically ran the half court offense through his play with Reddick etc. Ben never got there.
Maxey who is the obvious ball-handler and any other redundant PG you want to bring in….won’t even take over in half court sets.
Anyway, I don’t care who rbings the ball up. Anyone other than Shake because he was terrible at it. I want guys that know how to run an offense…not just stand in a corner. Anderson and Brooks can both do that.
I know i’m being a parrot here….but I honestly believe Morey the degenerate like you and me….reads these things from time to time.
Elton Brand would def do the deal I want because Elton brand is in love with guys like himself….and thats what Anderson and Brooks are. (Or Brogdon and Warren). These guys are not bad basketball players, they’re just not "stars" or "young pieces that can be moved".
Like I said elsewehre…Embiid will be frustrated by the constant moving in and out of players. Let’s get him some players.
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One of the most frustrating things for Embiid has to be the constant roster overhaul to try to get it right. Trading for young guys to potentially trade elsewehre for a guy that may never want to move….I don’t want to get into all that.
Just give me the solid vets…..let’s hoop for 2 or 3 years…and if it doesn’t work crash and rebuild.
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He was an exceptional defender for like 4 years. IMO, you have to do something extra. Rodman was a gifted player. I don’t think Ben Wallace was anything more than an athletic defender and rebounder.
Rodman is a HOFer…Ben Wallace is a fringe hof’er at best.
sorry i’m just ranting now.
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Here is my ranking of the overall #1 draft picks since 2010. Based on projected careers:
Anthony Davis (2012)
Kyrie Irving (2011)
Zion Williamson (2019)
Karl Anthony Towns (2015)
Cade Cunningham (2021)
Anthony Edwards (2020)
Ben Simmons (2016)
John Wall (2010)
Andrew Wiggins (2014)
DeAndre Ayton (2018)
Markelle Fultz (2017)
Anthony Bennett (2013)
Ben would finish 7/12.
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okay semantics and hyperbole but you get the point.
He will be a good player…not very good…definitely not great.
Definitely not someone to make demands.
Definitely not someone to be addressed as "young king" after shooting 30% from FT and not shooting in the 4th quarter of playoff games.
He’s not a flop, but he’s not someone that met his hype. I’ll rank the #1 picks from the last 10 years and see where Ben ranks.
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Sexton, Okoro, Osman, Rubio and two or three picks.
Only reason I don’t want Ben to go to Cleveland is because it gives Klutch what they want and they don’t deserve that and I don’t like how they strong-arm the league.
I also think in 2 years Simmons Garland Mobley and Allen will be a very good team, and I don’t want Ben to go to a good situation. WHy would I? I’m a Sixers fan and he’s hurting his value and thus hurting our team after having underperformed for years.