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The unending mess in Cincinnati
Prior to Atlanta and Minnesota joining MLS, there wasn’t really a blueprint for expansion teams. I think Orlando generally did OK in its first season, but what killed you guys was the weak bench and that weakness got exposed over the course of the season when Orlando led the league in man games missed due to injuries and card related suspensions. To be fair, Atlanta got maybe the luckiest break in the history of US professional soccer when Tata Martino came out of nowhere to apply for the manager’s job. I have no doubts that in an alternate reality where that didn’t happen that the Atlanta United story is VERY different and much much worse.
But since Atlanta joined and all the other expansion teams joined, it just doesn’t require an Einstein IQ to follow the following path for success.
1) Hit on your manager hiring.
2) Hit on your DPs.
3) Don’t be cheap.
4) And for the love of God, if you are coming from NASL (RIP) or USL, do NOT fool yourself into believing that there is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL between MLS and those leagues (looking at YOU here, Minnesota and Cincinnati).
So what did Cincinnati do?
1) Continuously blew manager hirings.
2) DPs have been a very mixed bag but it’s worth noting that they are not using their full allotment of DPs.
3) They ran a press conference shortly before their first season where their GM (since fired0 bragged on how LITTLE they were going to spend, how they didn’t need DPs, and they were going to be AWESOME from game 1! And only suckers spent money on their first year. Well, they do spend now, but are they spending WISELY? Umm…. probably not.
4) They made it pretty clear that they didn’t think USL and MLS were all that different. They set a dubious MLS record for most division 2 players promoted to an MLS team in its first season. Hard lesson learned.
Their problem is that they don’t give anybody a chance. I’m skeptical that they can get anybody good because they fire too quickly. They will probably either have to take low quality people who are desperate for a chance or people with megalomania who think they can’t fail (that isn’t going to be a good quality in a new hire). Well, we need somebody to always bring up the rear so the rest of the teams can fight for playoff spots.
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Hernandez has played for Pineda
Perhaps it would be a good idea to explain how to look this stuff up. I would hope somebody would be interested in knowing how to find this out and actually it’s surprisingly easy.
So I went to Google and input this: Ronald Hernandez stats
You want to find the Transfermkt match because they will break down a player’s appearance by matches. So here is the direct link to the stats for Hernendez:
Scroll down just past halfway and you will see MLS stats for him and you will see that he played a whopping 6 minutes in Pineda’s first match as manager, vs. Nashville. He has not played since then. I’m not saying it’s fair, but he didn’t even dress for the 3 matches before Philly but earlier he played 6 matches in a row where he played most or all of the match and then almost nothing. It just seems like Valentine maybe in the end didn’t like him (he wasn’t used and then played 1 minute in Valentine’s last matches as manager) and Pineda doesn’t seem to either.
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I think many of you are really overthinking this
Sometimes the better team loses. It happens in sports for who knows what reason. In the 2019 Eastern Conference Championship match, we lost to a Toronto team that was not better, but Josef blew a penalty and Toronto scored 2 miracle goals from distance to win. A weaker New York Giants team got hot in the playoffs and sent an undefeated New England Patriots to their only loss of the season in the Super Bowl some years ago. It’s just how sports is sometimes.
Remember how we always beat Orlando? Like they never could beat us for a very long time. The Union just have our number this year. It happens. A not particularly great DC United squad absolutely owned us when Tata was here. These kind of losses just happen.
I do think AtlUtd711 has a good point that road matches are tough in MLS. It sucks to lose to cheap ass Philly who has a bad owner and the biggest bro coach I’ve ever seen in my life but we’re done with those ass clowns for 2021 so let’s move on to the next match.
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The referees were fine, dude. Geez. You are such a biased homer. They gave us FOUR MINUTES of stoppage time at the end because of Philly’s constant time wasting antics. No complaints from me on their work.
OK, dude. Personal choice and all that. It’s not terrible, but "pretty" seems a bit much. It’s a big OK in my opinion.
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The English commentary guys are usually not this bad. Honestly I have no idea why today they are so pro Union. I think a lot of our fans are overly sensitive but yeah, the announcers don’t seem very much neutral today.
Yes their owner sucks
See my post above, which I wrote while you were writing yours.
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The problem with the Union is their owner
The Union’s owner has thrown down the gauntlet to all of MLS. Basically the Union’s very existance is an argument hat everybody that pays more for salaries than he does (Philly is 3rd LOWEST in the league for team salaries) is a sucker. Every other team in MLS should hope the Union fail big time because the more success they have, the more bad owners are going to copy them. Are we in Atlanta in trouble? No, certainly not. But other teams are watching and it’s not going to be good for the league to have maybe 5 or 6 teams who give a crap and the entire rest of the league in an NASL style competition to see who can pay the least and still make the playoffs or win some kind of trophy if "the Philly way" actually starts to work in MLS.
Here’s some more info on Philly and how cheap they are.
1) In 2019 their local paper reported that the team entered September having used ZERO of their allowed charter flights. You see, while MLS rules limit how many charter flights you can use, you actually don’t have to use any of them. The only reason that teams don’t always fly charter in MLS is that bad owners like in Philly, Dallas, NE, Colorado and others don’t want to spend the money and they don’t want better teams (ie. LAFC, Galaxy, Seattle, Portland, Atlanta and perhaps a few others) to go charter all the time and get an advantage. so the entire league is limited in charter flights. to pacify bad, cheap owners like in Philly. And these bad, cheap owners are the ones Don Garber listens the most to.
2) Philly has ONE DP. One. And they tried to run him out of town in August but it didn’t work for some reason. They have no plans to add any more and may possibly enter next season with none if they get rid of their only one.
3) The only teams that spend less on salaries than they do are Vancouver and Austin. Austin is another bad owner team with an owner who is only in it to make money and is arguing that only suckers spend more on teams. Vancouver was bad for most of this season but now suddenly they are within striking distance of a playoff spot. I have no idea how that happened.
4) The second an offer comes in for a young player, he is GONE as soon as they get it. They sell quick and cheap. Hold a guy for another year or two to get more money or take $2-4 million now? They’ll take the "now " offer EVERY time. They get away with this because apparently for some weird reason Pennsylvania is some kind of soccer hotbed and they are exceptionally good at academy development.
The Union aren’t good for MLS. so hell yes, kick their asses Atlanta United and help to keep those cheap punks out of the playoffs.
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The most positive thing I can say is that nobody hits on every prospect in every sport, so if he washes out, it’s just how it is sometimes. I thought Rossetto was pure crap for a long time and suddenly he can play and be useful. Lopez might be able to turn it around, but it does seem like it’s just not going to happen here.
If you want a more negative viewpoint, Boca brought him in and the guy does not bat 1.000 on his moves as GM (or TD is you prefer his actual title). In fact, at the time Lopez was brought in, Boca was making a lot of really bad moves. You may remember as things started going badly this year that the writers kept pointing out that a whole lot of players got replaced with guys who were worse.
30th MLS franchise
Well, that seems to have come out of nowhere about Vegas. My guess was that San Diego was going to get the Sacramento franchise. There’s almost no chance Sacramento will get a team now since their big money guy left at the start of the year. I figure MLS will give Sacramento until the end of the year to find a replacement, which they probably won’t be able to do, and then announce that the clock has run out on the bid.
Garber REALLY wanted San Diego to get a franchise a couple of years ago, but I guess they simply don’t have the financial backing or a stadium plan he likes.
I felt like Phoenix had a great bid. Location is good and they have a stadium plan and full ownership of the land it would be built on. Garber has never been really keen on them and I think their bid is dead. Originally they had Japanese billionaire Son Masayoshi in their ownership group, but he left to join Miami and he’s now trying to sell his shares in them. Phoenix replaced him with a Chinese billionaire who made his money in hotels and owns 1 or 2 soccer teams, but the recent out of left field crackdowns by the Chinese government on various businesses have made this guy a risk because at any time he could be hit by sweeping changes in China. Other businesses that have nothing to do with sports but owned soccer teams have run afoul of the government. So I think the Phoenix bid is currently seen as too risky by MLS because their main money guy could end up in trouble at any time.
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You are quite right that in a single elimination playoff game anything can happen. In 2019 Atlanta United lost 2-1 in the conference championship to Toronto despite outplaying Toronto badly and making no mistakes. How did this happen? Atlanta United got up 1-0 on a goal from Gressel and somewhat later were awarded a penalty which Josef Martinez took. Josef choked and did the old coward’s trick of kicking it down the middle. It didn’t work, an easy save was made and Atlanta would not have any more chances in the match. In fact, in my opinion Josef played the entire match as his worst ever match for Atlanta. Despite making no mistakes and I’d argue that every move manager Frank de Boer made was correct, including his substitutions, Toronto later scored 2 miracle goals from distance that couldn’t be stopped and they won. When Seattle creamed them in MLS Cup it was no surprise to me. Would shoulda coulda, but had Josef scored on the penalty and put AU up 2-0, I suspect AU would have won the match, but he didn’t and they didn’t.
Basically if you guys get the goal scoring working again from Dike, you’ll be back in the race. New England’s defense is good but not even close to being the best in the league. If you can get your defense holding again, you can win that match on Saturday. NE wins because they score the most goals in the league, so they just score more than they give up. I think OC’s defense will be the key to the match.
I’m not a gamer, but man, those defender ratings are really odd. Mas in the top 10? How on earth is he rated above Jansson and Carlos? Franco from Atlanta at number 3? OK, he has improved his play a lot after being really terrible at the start of the year, but I am just not seeing this. Miles Robinson remains far superior and he’s not even in the top 10. Honestly, I’m not sure Franco is better than being our 3rd best CB (by the way, Atlanta mostly plays with 3 CBs, so Franco is starting).
The CONCACAF announcement… I’m guessing an expanded CCL. This has been rumored for some time. Did they ever officially announce that? If not, then that is probably what this announcement is.
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Gators fans are the worst
I went to a university that didn’t have a football team. I don’t care at all about college football. Not at all. I try to go entire seasons without watching a single play of any games. National Championship game? Could not possibly give a crap about it. But I DESPISE fans of the Gators. Want to know why a guy who doesn’t care about college football hates fans of your team? By the way, I do like the NFL and follow the Falcons so I have nothing against pro football.
So back sometime in the 90s, I had this couple come to Atlanta who were friends of mine from my hometown, which is one of the faceless, soul crushing places in "not the Atlanta metro area" and we agreed to meet for dinner in Buckhead. Went to the old Three Dollar Cafe. We were, apparently, the ONLY people in the entire joint who weren’t Gators fans. No exaggeration. The Gators had won the SEC Championship game at the Georgia Dome. So all night long, drunk Gators fans kept coming by and trying to get us to do cheers and we politely told them that we were glad their team won, but we didn’t go to school there and didn’t know their cheers. Didn’t really work. Nobody started any crap with us, but they kept stumbling by trying to get us to do cheers. So the first reason I hate Gators fans is that your fans are too stupid to understand that there are actually people in the world who DON’T CARE about the Gators.
The 2nd reason I hate them is because the husband in the couple then told me a story about his experience with Gators fans. A few years earlier, an old friend of his invited him down to Gainesville over a weekend and the Gators were playing on Saturday afternoon and he told my friend that they would go to the game. That was fine with my friend. He also didn’t go to a college with a football team, so he thought it might be fun to go to a game. They went. After the end of the game, the guy who invited him said "You need to leave. You didn’t cheer enough for the Gators." So they went back to the guy’s place, my friend grabbed his luggage and left. As far as I know he never talked to the guy again. So yeah, Gators fans suck. Sorry man, but you do.
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Try SAP now
The English feed just now started, about 1 minute before kickoff.
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Robinson didn’t even dress. Very puzzled by that along with the Araujo on the bench decision.
I’m guessing maybe their TV contract specifically states that the matches they carry start a minimum of 20 minutes after the supposed start time announced because they think it makes people watch some of their pregame show. Since MLS is clearly not doing anything about it, it makes me suspect that their TV contract calls for this.
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Robinson not dressed
Does anybody know what’s up with that?
Araujo also not starting although he is on the bench. Not sure what’s up with that either, so I guess he is just getting some minutes off for reasons, whatever they are.
I hate the Union and their owner. They are bad for MLS and need to lose. Please beat them tomorrow.
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Don´t the clubs protest if they get bad schedules?
I really don’t understand this. You act like you were asleep for 20 years and just woke up yesterday. You post here all the time. We have discussed this over and over and over, but since you and some others need a reminder….
Copa America, EURO 2020, CONCACAF League of Nations, Gold Cup and World Cup qualifying matches are all being played during the MLS season. EURO 2020 and CONCACAF League of Nations were supposed to be played last year. Teams can ask for time off during those tournaments, but it just means that you have to play matches twice a week to make up for it. The players and the teams agreed to the scheduling and everybody understood that playing matches with 3 or 4 days off at various times was going to happen. And as pointed out elsewhere, the season started about 4-5 weeks later this year because of COVID. Again, the players and the teams agreed to this. Nobody is being forced against their will by evil Don Garber to do this.
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I admit to being skeptical about hiring Pineda
But the early returns are good and I think I can admit to being dead wrong about the hire. He seems to be a really smart guy. That double false 9 system against Orlando was an amazingly effective way to deal with Josef being out.
Big props to Rob Valentine who turned the ship around totally and gave Pineda a solid foundation to build on. That helped a lot. Cincinnati remains a bad team though so Saturday will be a more important test of how things are.
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Disclaimer: I am an experienced stock investor, but I’m not an expert on cryptocurrencies.
You’re not the only one who has never heard of XBTO, Christopher. I can’t find a lot of useful info on them. I can tell you that they say they have offices in Miami, New York, Bermuda (hmm… sounds like this one is for tax reasons) and Paris, so that makes them international. I will venture a guess that they are either minor players in reality or they service extremely wealthy clients and the reason we haven’t heard of them is because we simply don’t have the kind of money you need to know about them.
Anyway… It made me really happy that Philadelphia lost. Monteiro tried to convert a penalty but he did what I call "the coward’s trick" (there is a real term for this, but I don’t remember it) of kicking it down the middle and failed. All kinds of bitching from Philly about how unfair the match was and so on with hints that they didn’t like the calls that were made. Ha ha.
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EVERYBODY who is an MLS fan but not specifically a Philly fan should root for them to lose EVERYTHING. No CCL. No MLS. No Supporters Shield. Their asshole owner has thrown down the gauntlet to the entire league and is trying to make the point that only suckers pay more for players than he has (3rd lowest salary by team in MLS this year – only Vancouver and Austin are lower). Philly has 1 DP and word is that they are trying to dump him ASAP. It can’t be good for the league for a cheap asshole to win by NOT spending money. Sports leagues are copycat leagues and if Philly has continued success on the cheap, stupid teams will emulate them and that’s bad for MLS. By the way, in 2019 Philly entered September having used ZERO of their allowed 4 charter flights because league rules limit the maximum number of charter flights you can take but don’t require you to actually use any of them. This is to reward the bad owners like Philly’s owner, who don’t want to spend money and I maintain still have far too much influence on commissioner Garber than they should.