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Just so we can make the same mistake with Hooper… Who would save us $11M under current assumptions. Gee, I wonder what $11M would make the difference of? Maybe the difference between say, Adrian Clayborn and Chris Jones?

Even when we’re discussing him at $11M. Zero mention of any analytics or truly compelling reasons to keep him beyond "he’s been here and he’s pretty good."

No mention of what he does differently than other TE’s available, just a resignation to the idea that there’s no way to better spend $11M, not just this year, but for at least the next two.

Anyone else think there’s a missing piece to this analysis? Anyone else with me that simply resigning your free agents every year at the price they demand doesn’t constitute good leadership or vision for this team?

So many offenses succeed without Austin Hooper. Why is it impossible to imagine we’re fine without him, that we can’t even consider what the alternative would be and are not balking at any price point?

The QB position often annoints a new highest paid player in the league from the likes of Jimmy G (with only half a season under his belt) to Derek Carr.

Names that pop in my head that set record contracts, or came close, are Olivier Vernon, Brandin Cooks, Nate Solder (highest paid offensive lineman at time of signing)

Even just at tight end theres recent contracts for Rudolph and Burton that run at $8-9M each AAV. Is there any reason to expect Hooper to not get more?

Again, it’s pretty hard to argue with a one-year deal in any sport.

We just would have problems with the tag since we wouldn’t be able to kick Hooper’s can down the road as far as the cap goes, but we could always restructure other contracts to make it work.

Still, it’s a lot of money for a TE on a team with other needs. There are better one-year deals out on the market for a team like us.

Most players, but tight ends especially, do poorly on second contracts. The contracts tend to be egregiously bad after the first two years, though that’s why teams typically provide themselves outs in those scenarios.

For cap purposes, it’s just much safer to go with a one year pact, though I also wouldn’t pay Greg Olsen that much.

"Consistently improving" is only true until it’s not. Players are more likely to regress from career years rather than build on them. It’s possible that Hooper gets better, but history would suggest that it’s not a prudent bet.

Wrong thread

Is that there were zero times in which he got presnap penalties twice in a row

But game breaker Devonta Freeman sure was

Is that there were zero times in which he got presnap penalties twice in a row

And it actually played out that we needed both of them, after a year in which we also lost both starting guards in the first half of the season.

The players themselves were bad, which made them bad values, but the idea of investing in backup guards was very sound and should have provided us cover when Lindstrom immediately went down.

The vision he showed sometimes behind a not so great line, especially before Mack, was always astounding. He was so capable in the past of turning nothing into something.

Those days are gone, but let’s not forget how productive and incredible he was when he was. Back to back years of 1500 – 1600 all purpose yards is different than what Hooper is doing out there. And Freeman was cheaper!

In case we resign Hoop and they want to put a positive spin on it. Otherwise, were really stretching the meaning of "worth it."

If you think Ryan isn’t getting every dime of that. Zero precedent of what you’re talking about with QB’s of Ryan’s caliber.

That’s elite DT money, any way you slice it.

As for him asking for great TE money… read the tea leaves. Spotrac, among other outlets, are projecting him to get a contract that averages $10M. How often have you seen a player go below market value? To expect him to take anything less than that given his production last year would be naive.

Regardless, even if we assumed something more like $8-9M, that’s still untenable for another pass-catching option in an offense that has already invested too much into skill position players.

To find a decent pass rusher. $10M definitely helps though.

Do you want another pass rusher on a team that currently has close to zero, or do you want our 3rd option on offense to return?

Great TE’s block, make contested catches, and create mismatches in the slot, sometimes even drawing no. 1 CB responsibilities.

Hooper wants great TE money. Should we be the ones to give it to him?