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Yeah, I've played, coached, and officiated the sport
It’s my favorite sport. I watch college and nba regardless of who is playing.
His jump shooting is problematic in the way the game is played today. It’s difficult for a player like him to overcome that but as rondo has shown in the nba, it’s still possible. He is creative in the way he attacks defenses and is confident to make plays other guys wouldn’t or can’t make. There are times when he does struggle, both being too passive or aggressive, but he is by far Michigan’s best option at point guard.
Agreed on all counts
I would add his confidence is infectious for the rest of the team. He has an ineffable quality to him that just looking at stats misses.
The offense is fairly inconsistent
They’ll have stretches where they score 20 points in between tv timeouts (four minutes) and other stretches where they can score for 4-8 minutes. I’d like to see them become more consistent offensively even though on the whole they’ve been really good since the first two games.
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Simpson is the engine to the team on both ends of the floor. He’s an emotional player who can sometimes take himself out of the game but Michigan is typically a much better team when he is on the floor.
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There's a chance he could be healthy for the bowl game if it is just a broken collarbone
That takes 4-8 weeks to heal. Rodgers missed two months last year before he came back. I highly doubt they would play him in the bowl game but I expect him to be fully healthy by spring practice, much less fall.
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Right and none of that has to do with speculation about whether he leaves for the NFL
With each passing year, the rumors of him leaving for the NFL diminish. Back in 2016 (when most of the 2017 class work was being done), the speculation was far more prevalent then than it is now. And yet Michigan had an amazing class that finished in the top 5. They had 11(!) top 150 players that year and currently are sitting on just 5 over the next two years.
I just don’t think the recruits pay attention to it. At this point, they want to see results.
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I think the difference in Ohio State and Michigan was best demonstrated at the QB position
Meyer had a traditional pocket passer and completely his adapted his offense to play to Haskins strengths, only working in some designed QB run plays towards the end of the year. It’s not unlike what he did when he had Chris Leak with Florida. The result with Haskins: a top three Heisman finish (behind two excellent candidates), numerous Big Ten records broken, another win against Michigan, and another Big Ten title.
Harbaugh has a dual-threat QB transfer in and while he incorporated spread concepts, Michigan also ran the ball under center a great deal along with a lot of two tight end sets. He hedged on fully committing to playing Patterson’s strengths rather than going all-in like Meyer did with Haskins. The result was another loss to Ohio State and once again failing to win the Big Ten.
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There's a huge difference between the 2017 class and the classes since then
In 2017 (33 enrollees), Michigan landed two top 25 players, three top 50, six top 100, and eleven top 150.
In the 2018 and 2019 classes combined (43 enrollees or hard commits currently), Michigan has landed two top 50 and five top 150.
Michigan under Harbaugh has done a good job of finding some good overlooked players so all is not lost but the reality is that Michigan’s recruiting has taken a considerable hit over the past two years and no last minute cleaning up can completely makeup for that.
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What I mean by high level athletes is more referring to the top 50
Charbonnet rose to the top 50 (on 24/7) but really Hinton’s the only guy in this class that has been considered a top 50 recruit for a long time. This after Michigan didn’t land a top 100 recruit last year.
And while Michigan may end up in the top 10, that has a lot to do with the number of recruits they are taking this year. Auburn, Florida State, and Penn State would all be ahead of Michigan if they had room to add to their class rather than a third fewer recruits than Michigan right now. Michigan’s recruiting is solid right now but they are in no way recruiting on a high level.
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I don't think Bama is cheating
If they were, there’s 13 other programs around them that would have discovered it by now.
I went to a leadership conference a few years ago where leaders from a variety of industries spoke, including Saban. I didn’t like Saban before that but I walked away with a high level of respect after listening to him speak about leadership. He had the best presentation of the day, which is impressive given the other highly successful leaders were also speaking that day. It became very quick to see why he’s been so successful and why recruits would line up to play for him.
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Hill looked like a game changer
He was considered the best safety, possibly fastest player in his recruiting class, and likely able to step in and be a contributer day one. If he matches the hype, Michigan will be unable to find anyone to actually replace him.
Safeties played pretty well this year
And I didn’t see them as a big problem in the Ohio State game. They struggled mightily last year but both Metellus and Kinnel both really improved this year. The Ohio State game was Watson struggling, too many situations where linebackers were matched up on receivers, and the defensive line being completely inept all game.
So while Hill would have been huge and the safety position is vital for what Brown likes to do, I don’t think it’s fair to call the safeties a problem this year.
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I really think it's a non-factor at this point
At this point, all Harbaugh has to do is point to all the Ohio State people who thought that he would leave in four years and now he’s actually still at Michigan while Meyer was the one who left first. It’s relatively easy to work the other side of this and make those saying this look like they are engaging in negative recruiting that does not have the recruit’s best interest at heart.
But these recruits also know that none of these coaches are guaranteed to be there for the whole time. If they are concerned Harbaugh is leaving, all they have to do is wait until signing day because that’s beyond when Harbaugh would leave for an NFL job for next season.
Personally, I just think it’s an excuse to not acknowledge reality: high level athletes aren’t coming to Michigan because Michigan hasn’t produced high level results yet despite being right on the precipice to do so twice now.
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I completely agree with leaning too heavily on pro principles
College football is about execution above all else. When I look at Ohio State under Tressel or Meyer, I see coaching staffs that tailor their offense to fit the strengths of their personnel and then they run fairly simple schemes that are executed at a high level. Running all these different formations with skill position players running on and off the field is necessary at the NFL (although the Rams are pointing out it may not be as necessary as everyone thinks) but it’s overkill at the college level and prevents the offense from executing as well as they could. Guys like Leach and Malzahn have shown that running simple schemes with high execution is the way to go when running college offenses.
So if Michigan can put their offensive players in the best position to succeed along with focusing more on execution than complexity, I think they’ll have a chance to be as good as anyone because the program pretty much does everything else well at this point.
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It's not about being Big Hall or not
It’s the process that he got in and how many more deserving players aren’t in because they didn’t have someone advocating for them. Reinsdorf loved Baines so much that he retired his jersey while Baines was still in the middle of his career playing for another team. And so Reinsdorf gets 1/16th of a vote along with the ability to influence the other 15 members of the committee to vote for his guy.
If 100 former players/managers/executives mailed in their votes and Baines got a high enough number to be elected, than so be it. I think the writers get too much of a say for the Hall anyway. But it’s hard to see this as being a fair way of determining who gets elected and who doesn’t.
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And I forgot to mention: Baines always seemed like a classy guy
Like you said, it’s not his fault he was elected and he deserves to enjoy the experience even if it doesn’t seem warranted.
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The Bulls just played games on back to back nights
With another game on Monday. Boylen looks like an insecure person trying to assert his power rather than trying to put his team in a position to win basketball games.
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On some level, I feel bad for Baines
I’m sure being elected will trump the criticism but the criticism is going to come full force. When I saw the headline, I had to click on it because I couldn’t believe Harold Baines was elected. I thought I must have misread the headline or there was an older player with the last name of Baines.
It’s just so baffling. In his era, the best he finished was ninth in MVP voting with only six all star game appearances so he wasn’t considered great in his own era. Looking back today with advanced statistics don’t help his cause either. As the poster mentioned above, his best yearly numbers aren’t eye popping. None of his career statistics are eye popping either: sub-3000 hits, sub-.300 batting average, sub-400 home runs, didn’t steal bases, not a particularly high OBP. All of it points to one thing: Baines was a solid player for a really long time but in no way deserving of the Hall.
The veterans committee is a great concept but obviously highly flawed. 16 people making this decision leaves it open to one person having too big of an influence. Reinsdorf retired Baines number after being traded and still an active player so how objective can he really be in this type of situation. And given how absurd it is that Baines was elected, it’s now completely far to view Reinsdorf as wielding too much power.
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I wonder about the bama side of things given a&m had a recruit flip on them too
I think we’re all looking at what Michigan did wrong or some silly fans accusing bama of paying him/them. But I wonder about the bama side of things. Did these two players connect and get excited about playing together and bama was their decision? Has saban gotten word that a few players in the secondary are leaving after this year (whether for the draft or transfer), opening up an opportunity for playing time that didn’t seem to exist when these guys committed?
There’s probably a lot of factors that have gone into this decision we’ll never know. Like I said elsewhere, I appreciate Hill giving Michigan such a long look into coming given how they haven’t gotten over the hump yet. Maybe we’ll start to land these guys if and when the big wins come.
Michigan wasn't favored in any of those other games you listed
Other than 2015, Michigan was clearly overmatched going into them. And 2015 was a game against a Michigan team that overachieved and an Ohio State that was probably the best team in the country but goofed up against sparty.
This was a game where Michigan was favored and their vaunted defense gave up the most points in their history (in regulation). I agree with him that it’s the worst loss I can remember given the context.
There's the rub
Harbaugh has done some really good things at Michigan. They are right there in terms of getting over the hump and breaking through. On the level with bama, Ohio state, and Clemson? Not quite but certainly on the cusp of being in the group right behind them, which would be great.
But harbaugh needs to stop being so stubborn in order for that to happen. The best leaders adapt and he has been too slow in adapting so far. He’s done an excellent job just about every where else, it’s just to get to that next level he’ll have to stop being so stubborn.